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Where danger lurks for cyclists



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Published Date: 15 September 2008
SOME of the Capital's most dangerous roads for cyclists have been laid bare in a new map of accident hot spots.
New police figures reveal there have been just under 2000 accidents involving cyclists in Edinburgh between 1998 and 2007, including six fatal crashes.

Among the worst spots for accidents were Lothian Road, Princes Street and Nicolson Street – w
here 35-year-old neuroscientist Dr Iain Wilson was killed on his bike earlier this year.

The bulk of accidents involving cyclists resulted in slight injuries though there have been more than two serious cyclist accidents a month in the Capital in the last ten years.

Research has shown how cycling gets safer the more people ride bikes and the increasing popularity of cycling in Edinburgh over the last decade – coupled with the introduction of dedicated cycle lanes – has seen the number of accidents drop.

In 1998 there was a total of 234 accidents recorded by the police, but this had dropped to 170 by last year.

Cycling groups today called for greater investment in bike lanes, starting with the area around Lothian Road.

But council chiefs said although they were committed to improving cycling facilities in the city, bike lanes on Lothian Road would increase traffic congestion too much.

Dave du Feu, spokesman for cycling lobby group Spokes, said: "The council's map of city centre crashes/injuries involving cyclists shows the greatest concentration to be along Lothian Road, between Fountainbridge and the West End. This is an area with no cycle lanes, and with advance stop lines missing at several junctions. However, it is crucial that this doesn't stop people from cycling in the centre of Edinburgh.

"It would be very wrong to assume there is an accident waiting every time a cyclist passes one of the points highlighted on the map.

"The map shows a ten-year picture, and it is very useful for highlighting places where the road system could be improved to benefit cyclists.

"But it does not mean that central Edinburgh is unsafe, as long as cyclists ride carefully and other road users give them room."

A study by Spokes earlier this year found cyclists made up 20 per cent of all traffic heading into the city along Lothian Road during the morning rush hour.

John Lauder, national director for Scotland for transport charity Sustrans, said: "The sheer number of accidents is concerning but there are a number of contributing factors behind this.

"These are obviously big feeder roads where people have no non-road options for cycling, speed is also a factor but we don't want to get into the blame game here because nobody wants these accidents to happen."

There have been a total of six cyclists killed on the city's roads since 1998.

There were two tragedies in 2004, when a young father and an Edinburgh student were killed while cycling home from work and university. Keen cyclist Scott Muir was knocked down and killed as he cycled through the Meadows, while Tristan Hewins, a postgraduate journalism student at Napier University, died after careering into a car.

Police chiefs today described the accident figures as concerning but called on both motorists and cyclists to exercise due care and attention when on the roads.

A spokesman said: "The number of cyclists being killed or seriously injured in the force area continues to be of concern.

"There is a growing trend towards cycling, with increasingly more people choosing to use their bike to commute to and from work, as well as for recreation.

"As the darker nights close in, it becomes ever more vital for cyclists to ensure they wear the appropriate high visibility clothing and protective equipment and make sure their bike is properly maintained, particularly in respect of lights, brakes and tyres.

"At the same time, cyclists should exercise due care and attention when on the roads, and the same rule applies to motorists."

A council spokeswoman said Edinburgh's cyclists now had a lower chance of being involved in an accident than 10 years ago.

She added: "The higher concentration of incidents in Lothian Road may be explained by the fact that it is a main arterial route which experiences heavier traffic and cycle use.

"Introducing additional facilities such as bike lanes on this road would be likely to increase traffic congestion on an already busy route and is therefore not considered suitable.

"Of course, even one accident is too many and the council will continue to work towards reducing the number of all road users being injured."





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  • Last Updated: 15 September 2008 10:33 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Cycling
 
1

allknowing,

15/09/2008 12:05:40
Yesterday, pass my house were thousands of cyclist on some charity cycling event.

While this must be appluaded, why did they insist on cycling 6 abeast, so that no car could get passed, shouting at each other, and generaly being antisocial.

Next time, cycle max two abreast, and talk to each other!!!

2

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

15/09/2008 12:12:02
How about cyclists putting lights on their bikes... That might help cut the accident rate.

That and not cycling on pavements.
3

Cynicaltalk,

15/09/2008 12:20:04
#2

How about drivers give us some room and not treat us with disregard and hate.

How many fatal accidents have occured in the dark on a pavement??
4

fresian,

edinburgh 15/09/2008 12:25:58
How about the Cycle Touring Club not being so Anti Motorcycle and lobbying jointly with the British Motorcycleing Federation and Motorcycle Action Group. By joining forces, we could all benefit.
5

Pazuzu,

15/09/2008 12:27:46
Most drivers are considerate, the rest think they are kings of the road - just because the lump of metal they hide behind could crush any cyclists.

I've been hit twice, once by a lorry's wingmirror as he opened the door.

Second time due to the driver of a car being more interested in his mobile.

I drive cars and cycle, and to that end I understand both sides of the coin.
6

Sods Law,

EDINBURGH 15/09/2008 12:38:17
Overtake on the outside not the inside.
7

Pazuzu,

15/09/2008 12:40:48
6:
I was, and he was double parked.
8

the dog,

embra 15/09/2008 12:44:12
i'm a cyclist and driver but i do believe if you insist on cycling on roads in the dark with no lights then you are "FAIR GAME" and dont expect any sympathy from me when you get run down, and as for these stupid flashing led lights they are not even road legal ( take heed clowns riding stupid rickshaws with illegal lighting )hight time the law was enforced.
9

AndyPandy,

15/09/2008 12:45:33
The cyclist from Ed Uni who was killed was crushed against some railings by a lorry turning left. The simple solution to make that (and similar junctions) safer is to get rid of the railings.

But that is far too straightforward for the Council.

PS - when cars stop parking on pavements, I'll stop cycling on them. Ditto for red lights.

PPS - flashing LED lights are legal!
10

The Hallucinist,

15/09/2008 12:46:40
#6 Stupit comment.

Pazuzu would have be some cyclist if he could cycle between a parked lorry and the kerb. fool
11

Pazuzu,

15/09/2008 12:54:35
Dog, flashing lights on bicycles ARE legal.
Hallucinist, true and it was daylight.
12

JT,

15/09/2008 12:56:54
Whilst there is some sympathy for cyclists - the amount of cyclists that jump red lights, mount pavements and generally do what they like out number the ones that do adhear to laws. Im fed up of having to move out the way on a pavement to avoid the on coming bike and sworn at like i was in the wrong. Its bad enough with doddering old people who suddenly stop for no reason or buggy parents who use the pavements like brands hatch with out bikes as well. STAY OFF THE PAVEMENTS!!!
13

lulach mac gille coemgain,

15/09/2008 12:57:50
Just the other day I was set upon by ‘Hells Cyclists’ - these gangs of ne’r do wells should be made to sweep the cycle lanes in ’chain’ gangs wearing orange suits !
14

Robert12,

15/09/2008 12:58:51
#9 Remove the railings meaning a cyclist could mount the pavement and knock a pedestrian over? Railings are generally there for a reason...

If you ride on pavements and through red lights then you're clearly a complete @rse who gives cyclists a bad name.
15

Pazuzu,

15/09/2008 13:03:28
14 Robert12,15
I totally agree.
16

Artemis,

15/09/2008 13:15:59
Is there any information as to why the accidents happened? Were the cyclists riding in the dark with no lights? Were the vehicles speeding? Were the drivers chatting on their mobile phones and not paying attention? Did the cyclists have to swerve to avoid a pot-hole and get hit by a car passing too closely? This would be a more useful article if it told us why the accidents happened and what measures were being taken to stop them happening again.

There's no guarantee that cycle lanes make cyclists safer, especially if they're badly maintained, full of glass and pot-holes to the point they're unusable, or if they're filled with parked cars. Cyclists have the right to use all of the road, not just cycle lanes, and perhaps better education for motorists would help to prevent some of these accidents.
17

Dorian,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 13:19:19
I have all the time in the world for cyclists who let me know what they are doing with hand signals. But the ones who don't stop at red lights(potentially hitting someone crossing which I have witnessed many times), pulling out in front of vehicles if they're behind a bus when it stops and generally wobbling about in uncertainty on the roads are an accident waiting to happen.
18

Jack Bond,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 13:21:31
As a driver around Edinburgh, im sick and tired of those so-called do gooders on the bikes! Why do they insist on being a law unto their own. They have no road sence, they are for ever going through red lights, and then have the right to give the driver a mouthful when he/she almosts hits him, and the driver in the car was only doing what he/she is ment to do. RED means STOP, GREEN mean go and flashing amber means get ready. I think its time the ploice also crackdown on those who flaunt the rules of the road. Give them a ticket for going through red lights, and see how they like it
19

sar,

edinburgh 15/09/2008 13:23:17
I hate bikes, why because cars keep you dry and get you to the desired place quicker. Wait the machines that control the cars, they hate the bikes too. They hate the bikes because they are used on the pavements, they also hate these bikes because they overtake the machines that control the cars on the inside lane, and why, do the cars hate the bikes the most because these machines that operate the bikes don't stop at the red lights
20

the dog,

embra 15/09/2008 13:27:55
road traffic act states lights must be affixed to the bike and show a constant white front and red rear flashing lights are allowed only for secondary use,
as for red lights i was charged for going through one on a bike at 5am on a bright summer morning with no other traffic to be seen but its a pity the police dont want to enforce rules on cyclists when they are in busy city traffic
21

the dog,

embra 15/09/2008 13:33:21
and while i'm here if i catch you hanging onto the rear of my truck for a tow you are going down,
i cycle but would never consider doing anything so stupid
22

Epicuras,

15/09/2008 13:36:16
#9, 14 & 15 - I too have been crushed against railings, though with only cuts and bruises, by a car driver who couldn't be as*ed to look or indicate - these lethal railings should be removed - pedestrians are generally sensible enough not to stand near corners where lorries and buses cut across the corners because they are too big for Edinburgh's narrow roads.
23

an interested party,

15/09/2008 13:38:44
license the riders and number plates for cycles

24

La La,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 13:39:40
If they obeyed the rules of the road they'd be fine but no, they think they can flaunt all regulations and are laws unto themselves. They also seem to think they have the same use of pavements and one-way-streets as pedestrians. Sorry but I have very little sympathy as the majority of cyclists I've witnessed seem to believe they are excempt from any highway code.
25

Anth,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 13:40:03
The law regarding flashing rear lights changed in 2005 - they can now be 'approved' and if you buy one that is you don't need a constant light on the back.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20052559.htm

I ride past practically every one of those danger spots every day, it's a wonder I'm still alive. I might just take the car tomorrow, we'll all be safer in gridlock.

It's funny, because I stop at all reds, don't ride on the pavement, use lihts in the dark, and you'd think that would gain you more respect on the road... While I agree that any road user should abide by the laws of the road (note ANY road user be they on a bike, in a car, truck, bus, pedestrian, whatever), I'm not sure I'd advocate murdering anyone who did not and simply brush it off as 'well he wasn't obeying the law'.

Seems that cyclists are a special case.

Time for a confession. When I drive I break the speed limit. Should my car be crushed?
26

Leighsa,

Southside 15/09/2008 13:45:17
I am fed up having to dodge cyclists who go straight through red lights, cycle on the pavement, wrong way up one-way streets, etc. If you say anything to them, you either get laughed at or get a mouthful of abuse from them. Yes, I'm sure some accidents involving cyclists are caused by motorists, but I've also seen cyclists being totally oblivious to having caused near-accidents as they wobble on their way.
27

Cumberland Sausage,

15/09/2008 14:04:23
Heh-heh, the same old comments again and again. Muppets.
28

Beachy,

15/09/2008 14:43:01
Not all, but the larger percentage of Cyclists are a menace and a danger to everyone on the roads(and pavements)!!!
It's about time some form of road safety test (Like a driving test) was intoduced for people intending to cycle because it seems most cyclists don't understand the rules!
29

Vlad Tepes,

Targoviste 15/09/2008 14:51:46
I have seen cyclists going through red lights but they are less of a danger than the motorists I have seen who drive through red lights because they haven't seen them. It would be suicidal to go out on the roads at night without a good set of lights, but they only help if the SMIDSY driver is paying attention.
To be honest I don't understand the antagonism from motorists. Firstly because if there is an RTA, no matter whose fault it is, it'll be the cyclist, not the driver, who ends up brown bread. Secondly if the cyclists moved back into a car each there would be total gridlock for everyone.
30

Crania Nelsen,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 15:24:24
If we had dedicated cycle paths alongside the roads, like in many other places both in the UK and abroad, then we wouldn't have to have this discussion. Go to Copenhagen, Amsterdam etc and you will find that on roads the size of Lothian Road or Nicolson street NO bikes are on the road with the cars. Safer and quicker for everyone - cycle paths are narrow and can therefore often be accommodated without taking away a driving lane. Common sense and a bit of political will!!
31

DoesItMatter?,

15/09/2008 15:40:32
We passed a cyclist on Friday night at about 9pm going down the Royal Mile with no lights and no helmet, and who didnt bother to look when pulling out to overtake a parked car. He was however enjoying the music provided to him by his Ipod.
32

Artemis,

15/09/2008 16:09:27
#26 - your car should be crushed and turned into bikes of course. Although it would be difficult to do the tyres, as apparently bikes use four times as much rubber as cars.

#32 - helmets aren't a legal requirement and car drivers listen to the radio while driving so I'm not sure why you've raised those points to complain about an unlit cyclist cycling carelessly.
33

billgafc,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 16:20:52
where is the switch for the blue light
34

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15/09/2008 16:26:08
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35

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

15/09/2008 16:42:28
bike owners need to be properly licensed, insured, registered - & both the riders & the bike need to pass tests as to their suitabilty for travel on a public road.
36

Sue Taylor,

15/09/2008 16:44:08
I agree that Edinburgh roads are a danger for cyclists. In the event of an HGV driving past and even nudging a cyclist they would come off worst. To upgrade cyclist routes then cyclist should pay insurance and road tax like car drivers. It should be made illegal to get on a bicycle without it being in functional order with lights. Compulsory protective clothing should be the norm. I agree that there should be cycle paths but not using the same roads as cars. Cyclists have their place but not using the same roads as cars, they are far too dangerous. I know there are good cyclists out there but being good doesn't always save you and for that reason I would like to see safe cycle routes like the old rail lines. Not an easy one to work on but a good idea. If it worked it would save a lot of lives.
37

Artemis,

15/09/2008 17:00:18
#37- cyclists already pay for the roads through income tax, council tax and VAT, and most are insured either through their household insurance or a specialist insurance provider eg CTC.
38

J4cko,

15/09/2008 17:05:51
I cycle and I drive, I can see both arguments.

Time and time again there are people making generalisations about particular groups.

There are some bad drivers and there are some bad cyclist. If I'm on my bike, I would expect car drivers to show me the same courtesy and respect as I would when I'm driving and come across a cyclist.

When I'm driving I'm aware that my car is a ton of metal and can kill. When I'm cycling, I have little protection apart from a helmet and the hope that drivers don't just assume I'm another idiot on a bike and try to run me off the road.

Drivers - get your fat @rse on a bike for a month and see what its like, anyone who has never ridden on a bike on a busy road before is sure to sh*t themselves!

Cyclists - forget saving the planet and try driving for a month to see what other fellow cyclists are like on the roads, then you will see how dangerous and annoying some really are.

A diplomatic approach - see both sides.

39

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 17:10:01
#37
Sue, Sue, Sue. Where do we start?
Edinburgh roads, or any roads for that matter are NOT dangerous. Some users may be, but the roads are not.
How would insurance premiums and 'road tax' upgrade cyclist routes? Surely any funding for such routes would come out of the same central funding money pot that currently pays for roads/pavements etc.
What protective clothing would you suggest, knee and elbow pads for those episodes where the nasty HGV drivers nudge the cyclist off the road.
Cyclists not using the same roads as cars, as they are too dangerous? Well if the cars are dangerous, get them off the road. The road was there before the car. We started on foot first, then horseback, then cycles. Cars came along last so if they can't integrate, let's un-invent them(nah, that would just be plain stoopid, like most of the anti bike nonsense that seems to be regurgitated here)
As for the railway line idea, alas, I have no redundant lines on my doorstep so would I not be able to cycle anywhere at all?
40

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 17:14:57
#39
Excellent idea, get cyclists driving and drivers cycling.
I believe next Monday is a 'leave your car at home day' but it is a pity that it will probably rain due to the inclement weather we have been having of late, so it will probably not be the best time to be cycling.
I wonder when the 'leave your bike at home day' will be ;-)
Seriously though, I think a week cycling, or driving in the rush hour, would open a lot of peoples eyes!
41

Brad,

Glasgow 15/09/2008 18:20:39
I cycle around Glasgow pretty much every day and have almost no trouble with drivers. I hope I don't cause them (or anyone else) any problem either.

What's the big issue with you Edinburghers...?
42

Artemis,

15/09/2008 18:20:45
The rain shouldn't stop you cycling - you won't melt in the water! Waterproof jacket, and change your trousers when you get to work. Sorted.
43

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 18:34:43
#43
Agreed, but not the best way to introduce a newbie to cycling as a serious alternative to commuting.
Personally, I'm a t-shirt and shorts, 365 days a year cyclist as I'm lucky enough to have shower facilities at my place of work as well as a drying room for when my gear does get wet.
My main point in #41 though, is that car free days should be held when weather is expected to be fair and decent as cycling isn't the only alternative. A lot of folk could walk to work but probably wouldn't let that option cross their mind if the chance of rain is high.
44

Charles MN,

15/09/2008 19:12:35
These are Police figures which only include on road casualties which are known to the Police. It is well known that bike casualties are massively under reported. It is also well known that almost half bike casualties happen off-road and so don't appear in the STATS19 figures.

So these figures have to be treated with caution.
45

anti-barbie,

Morningside 15/09/2008 19:34:25
Cyclists should have insurance! I now have a lovely scratch the lenght of my car from one going up the inside of a line of stationary traffic.

I also have nearly hit a cyclist who cycled through red lights as i was entering a junction just before the lights - if my reaction time had been any slower, he would have been under my wheels. Again, as they don't require insurance, I would have had to claim from my own insurace had i been hit.

I accept that some cyclists are resposible, but the sad fact is that most are not. They think they are immune simply because they don't have registration plates.
46

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 15/09/2008 19:35:51
CYCLES AND LIGHTS - Whilst I agree cyclists really should use lights, bear in mind that car drivers should ONLY DRIVE AS FAST AS THEY CAN SEE. In other words, if you drive a car you should be ready to stop for any unexpected event on the road.
If you can't or won't accept this responsibility then keep off the road !
47

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 15/09/2008 19:38:18
And yes Sue 37, I agree HGVs are dangerous and should be banned.
48

Charles MN,

15/09/2008 19:42:26
#47
"car drivers should ONLY DRIVE AS FAST AS THEY CAN SEE", and other road users shouldn't?
49

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 19:45:36
I was on a bus on Leith Walk last year and saw a cyclist accident. The cyclist was cycling in the bus lane weaving from side to side. The bus could not overtake due to heavy traffic. The cyclist kept turning round, grinning at the bus driver. Obviously he was cycling in such a manner to deliberately obstruct the bus. Well the cyclist was that intent turning round and grinning that he cycled into the side of a parked car, removing the wing mirror and denting and scratching the cars door and wing. Well the bus stopped, and guess what. The cyclist got up and cycled off - he made no attempt to find the owner, or leave his details on a piece of paper under the windscreen wiper!! Cyclists are a complete liability on roads - ban the lot of them - they have no regard for the law whatsoever.
50

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 15/09/2008 19:55:34
Given that 60% of motorists ADMIT to breaking the speed limit (which means about 90% actually do break the speed limit), who are the real complete liabilites on the road ?
51

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 15/09/2008 19:56:45
No, that applies to all road users no.49, but motorists don't seem to realise they are included.
52

Micropacer,

15/09/2008 20:08:05
I only occasionally cycle but mostly drive. The simple truth is most Motorists are clueless idiots and so are most Cyclists.

The problem is that Motorists are far far more likely to kill people in the process.

Personally I think there should be a 10 year driving test and that would sort congestion and the idiots straight away.

I would cycle to work if I could - but people that havent good enough ability to drive safely (the majority) make it too dangerous. Looking at the previous posts it looks like most on here would fall under that catagory.
53

Artemis,

15/09/2008 20:26:43
Gorgie Tony, is there any group you don't make sweeping generalisations about?
54

Life long jambo,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 20:32:00
Amazing! So many immature comments, and uniformed comments. I cycle and I drive. Yes, there are a relatively small number of cyclist who are dangerous on the roads (and they annoy me because they give all cyclists a bad name). Equally, there are a relatively small number of drivers who are dangerous on the roads. A wee bit of tolerance and understanding from both-sides might help us all get along. Agree with 39 above.
55

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 20:53:19
#37 It has been shown many times that encouraging more cycling reduces the casualty rate - so your ideas, i.e. making cycling harder and more inconvenient, would reduce cyclists' safety.
I tend to remonstrate with cyclists who disobey traffic laws more often than I do with motorists, but that is only because motorists are unlikely to hear me from inside their tin can - there are as many idiot motorists as cyclists - but a car is much more likely to kill because of the greater weight and speed
56

the dog,

15/09/2008 21:59:53
i stand corrected but say get yer lights on and stay safe, remember in 99% of accidents cyclists will come of worst
57

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

15/09/2008 22:12:36
#38 - by your stupid logic, no one should be paying for road use then ?
58

Brad,

Glasgow 15/09/2008 22:39:29
#58, I don't think that's what was said.
59

Jack Bond,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 23:22:11
OMG, Whilst driving around edinburgh today, on 7 separate occasions a cyclists drove up on my nearside, along Princess Street turning into Lothian road, if i never used the proper MIRROR, SIGNAL, MIRROR AND MANOEUVRE i would have crushed them against the railings. I rest my case. Oh yes I am a professional driver
60

Bob Wilson,

Anchor Man 16/09/2008 09:12:06
No 19 / James Bond / >>As a driver around Edinburgh, im sick and tired of those so-called do gooders on the bikes! Why do they insist on being a law unto their own. They have no road sence, they are for ever going through red lights, and then have the right to give the driver a mouthful when he/she almosts hits him, and the driver in the car was only doing what he/she is ment to do. RED means STOP, GREEN mean go and flashing amber means get ready. I think its time the ploice also crackdown on those who flaunt the rules of the road. Give them a ticket for going through red lights, and see how they like it <<

As a cyclist around Edinburgh (and a car driver) I am sick and tired of car drivers who jump red lights - FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN A BIKE JUMPING A RED LIGHT.

I suggest you get yourself down to the Queensferry Road pedestrian crossing at the foot of clermiston hill, where without fail you will see maniac drivers doing 50mph+ desperately trying to get through these lights once changed to red. The only reason that no-one has been killed there is because EVERYONE who uses that crossing (including all the Royal High School kids) know to wait an extra 5 - 10 seconds after the green man comes on before attempting to cross to allow all the d!ckhead drivers to clear the junction.

Without doubt it's the most dangerous red light in Edinburgh due to the amount of cars and lorries who jump them - yet there are no cameras posted there to catch the culprits. Its only a matter of time until someone is killed on this crossing, and I can assure you it won't be a a result of a cyclist going through red.
61

Artemis,

16/09/2008 09:35:19
#58 - that's not what I said, is it? I pointed out that cyclists DO pay for the roads because roads are paid for out of income tax, council tax and VAT, which cyclists pay. We all pay for the roads, not just motorists.
62

InThePark,

16/09/2008 10:05:01
You know it really ****s me off hearing fat lazy motorists, banging on about how they hate cyclists. You should be applauding them as you can get you fat A*** to work faster as there is one less car on the road.

Its not our fault we have to share the road as the goverment has invested no money in improving cycle ways in the past 10 years.

Get out your car and on your bike!!! you might even lose your beer belly.
63

bluehead,

edinburgh 16/09/2008 10:50:17
cyclists should be completely banned from the roads ,they are a menace to themselves and everyone else around,I have watched them break every rule in the book many times! if they are allowed on the roads, they should under go strict tests, to test their mental faculties,and have to pay at least one hundred pounds a year for a licence,and be constantly supervised,to safe guard other road users from that lot.
64

Mr H 2u,

Embra 16/09/2008 11:07:34
Well, I've been in two collisions this year with cyclists, both of whom had went through red lights. Up until now I had thought it was their fault, but thanks to some of the comments above, I now realise that it was all my doing, as a pedestrian. How dare I cross at a pedestrian crossing when the green man is displayed without thinking that a cyclist may be undertaking buses in a bus lane and sailing through a red light. I accept full responsibility for my actions and can only apologise for the distress I may have caused.
65

InThePark,

16/09/2008 11:16:19
#65 Lucky for you it was not a car and was only an irresponsible cyclist, who are in the minority of cyclists out there.

As a cyclist and a motorist, nothing angers me more than a cyclists going through a red light while I sit and wait for the lights to change. But motorists are even worse at skipping lights as the change! Even speeding up to get through them!
66

InThePark,

16/09/2008 11:53:23
"An elderly woman is being treated in hospital for a head injury and broken shoulder after being hit by a car in Edinburgh.

The 88-year-old pedestrian was struck by a Honda Civic in Telford Road, near Telford Drive, at 1330 BST on Monday.

She was taken to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, where she remains in a stable condition.

A Lothian and Borders Police spokesman said they were appealing for anyone who witnessed the incident to come forward."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7618420.stm
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Jack Bond,

edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:48:00
Ref 61. I do drive that road myself, and I am sure its a 40mph. I understand where you are coming from, I look forward to those new speed camera's, the ones that take your average between to points, it might make drivers slow down, if not, they will get a ticket in the post. As for the lights, anywhere in edinburgh, its the bad drivers that flaunt the Highway Code, and those are the ones that needs sorted, im not saying all bike users have no road sence, just the ones that think they are invinsible,

 

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