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Fan violence threatens England tie



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Published Date: 25 May 2008
PLANS to revive the annual Scotland v England football fixture are in jeopardy because of the violence involving Rangers fans in Manchester, the chief executive of the Scottish Football Association warned last night.
Gordon Smith said trouble caused by rioters attending the Uefa Cup final earlier this month had tarnished the image of Scottish fans and cast fresh doubt over the future of the proposed home international.

Smith has been in talks with the English
Football Association over plans to revive the annual game between the two nations.

The event was abandoned after 1989 because of problems including hooligan violence, but in recent years enthusiasts have attempted to reinstate the popular fixture. It was hoped it would be played again at Wembley in 2011.

However, Smith admitted the troubles on the streets of Manchester, witnessed by television audiences worldwide, had now hampered the prospect.

He said: "It might have put back our chances of reviving the Scotland and England game because of the attitude the English have taken over what happened in Manchester.

"In the English press, basically the story has come down to a disgraceful act by the Scots and how Scottish football fans are badly behaved."

Smith added he hoped "things might blow over" as more facts about what happened in Manchester emerged. "The whole scenario could revolve around what emerges now," he said.

"There might be a bit of publicity that improves things because it might be reckoned there was a lot of faults in terms of how the whole thing (Manchester] was set up, whether there were other factions involved in the trouble, and that type of thing. So we hope still to be able to discuss it."

Images of drunken Rangers fans looting, attacking police and fighting in the aftermath of the clash with Zenit St Petersburg shocked audiences around the world.

CCTV footage showed policeman Mike Regan knocked to the ground, kicked and punched.

Tartan Army spokesman Tam Ferry said last night that the onus was now on fans to stay on their best behaviour at international matches, to avoid further criticism.

Scotland play the Czech Republic later this week in a friendly international. He said: "There will be a lot of focus on the fans there. There's more responsibility on the Tartan Army to keep the good name going."

While doubts over the future of the fixture increased, ministers in Scotland called for the closing of a loophole which could mean the Manchester hooligans escape justice.

Fans who were arrested in Manchester two weeks ago may be handed Football Banning Orders by police in England, which will bar them from attending any game in the country.

However, the orders will not apply north of the border, thereby allowing the fans to carry on attending games in Scotland.

SNP Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has now written to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith calling for fresh legislation to ensure the loophole is closed.



The full article contains 492 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Teary Ennui,

25/05/2008 00:26:34
The English would have a bit of a cheek accusing others over football hooliganism. Chelsea fans battled with police in London last week, while their team was in Moscow for the Champions League final. Indeed, English "casuals" may well have perpetrated some of the violence in Manchester.
2

Saltire,

Thailand 25/05/2008 03:57:49
First we have to see the overall picture as regards Rangers supporters and European finals. 2 finals and 2 cases of violent supporters causing havoc.
That is a disgraceful record to have.
And let us not try to pass on any blame to the organisation, infiltration etc. Let us accept that our Scottish supporters were responsible. Every fan who was in Manchester and witnessed this violence should come forward and name and shame the fans who brought disgrace to our country. (If it is possible to shame such morons)
However, what is more worrying is that, in England, this is used as an excuse to "get back" at Scottish fans for their past record of being the best supporters at international football events.
We have maintained this faultless status more recently by not attenting these events - no doubt a cunning plan to retain our record as the best fans without any blemishes on our record :-)
We should never forget, though, the English (sorry - UK) Minister for Sport - Banks - claiming Scottish supporters only behaved well to show up the English fans.
That sums up the English attitude to Scotland and Scottish fans. Give them the slightest excuse and they will use it against us.
And the Rangers supporters gave them that in excess in Manchester.
Since we know the attitude South of the border why do we continue to help them in their campaign against us?
3

overshot,

perth 25/05/2008 05:29:45
A police spokesperson, said it was not a riot. Chelsea and Man Utd fans were mixing it in London after the Moscow final, are they football hooligans, or tv hooligans? The rangers fans who let their team down wre watching the tv.
4

deeks rearend,

25/05/2008 07:50:14
it would be easy to spot the trouble makers.they would all have union jacks .all the ones from manchester uefa cup final did.
5

Erica from East Kilbride,

25/05/2008 08:50:30
Let's be quite clear: the disgraceful behaviour came from Glaswegians, not Scots. I'm sick of the whole nation being tarred with the same brush because the Old Firm fan base refuses to behave itself.
6

Teary Ennui,

25/05/2008 08:56:29
"First we have to see the overall picture as regards Rangers supporters and European finals. 2 finals and 2 cases of violent supporters causing havoc" (#2)

Rangers have been in four European finals. Your "overall picture" is rather partial.
7

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 08:59:17
5 - clear as mud. Glaswegians aren't Scots ? Last time I looked at a map of Scotland, Glesca was included on it.
And I don't suppose the more active followers of Scotland's Shame came from. East Kilbride, ot Embra, Livi, Larkhall, Dundee, Livi etc etc
8

Pilrig.,

Livingston. 25/05/2008 09:01:15
6 - well havoc in the last two (1972 and 2008) anyway.
9

Erica from East Kilbride,

25/05/2008 09:10:22
#7 - Your attempts at self delusion/self comforting are rather lacklustre. If you dig a little deeper I'm certain you'll find that the overwhelming majority of trouble makers will have come from the immediate vicinity of Govan. Trying to make the rest of the nation share your city's shame simply won't stand, I'm afraid.
10

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 09:29:58
9 - and the source of your evidence for the majority of the troublemakers coming from Govan ?

My city ?? have a look at my moniker and address !!!!

Here's a clue; (fill in the blanks)

"While the chief puts sunshine on *****,"
11

kimba,

25/05/2008 09:48:22
2. That is the biggest load of bo--ocks,it's folk like you that cause trouble with your racist comments
12

b.allan,

alba 25/05/2008 10:48:19
Correct me if i'm wrong but don't the ENGLISH fans have a worldwide reputation as thugs?
13

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25/05/2008 10:53:37
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25/05/2008 10:56:49
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15

Conan the Librarian™,

25/05/2008 11:31:02
14
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/rangers-now-the-england-of-scotland-20080516956/
16

kimba,

25/05/2008 11:34:04
12,13,14.Better a Rangers supporter than a bigoted celtic one!
17

kimba,

25/05/2008 11:37:51
There's Nothing wrong with supporting GB,if you nats don't like it f--k off to aussie land!
18

Conan the Librarian™,

25/05/2008 11:48:44
16
And the words "bigot" and "Rangers supporter" never seen in the same sentence then kimba?
19

Jambo Number 1,

25/05/2008 11:52:57
Dimba,

Why not do us all a favour. Net time you take a bath - gonna take your toaster in with you?
20

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 25/05/2008 12:41:06
Anything that reduces football and its (mainly) illiterate Scottish commentators to the point of invisibility will come as the greatest relief to all right thinking people.
21

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 25/05/2008 13:23:41
No.20 Loki
I entirely agree.
There is much talk of early intervention and rehabilitation in respect of drug users and various assorted criminals. Such early intervention and rehabilitation is surely possible for those whose lives are so wretched and so devoid of any real meaning or direction that they turn to the tribalism of football?
22

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/05/2008 14:00:50
21 Kirsty

I entirely agree with you. To see those television pictures from Manchester was truly shocking but doesn't Manchester - more specifically, its soccer fans/hooligans - have a worldwide reputation for such murderous escapades?

And the comments from #2 are racist as well as being muddled and without any real import.
23

kimba,

25/05/2008 14:22:29
18,19.You are both small minded trolls,like the rest of the nats you'd cut off your nose to spite your face,the snp are on a hiding to nothing,better make the most of it whilst you can!
24

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/05/2008 14:51:48
Gordon Smith is a coward and a border line traitor with his pathetic threats and posturing. Of course there should be a footba match. And 2011 is too long to wait.
Will there be trouble? Only if the English firms provoke the Tartan Army. Which they almost certainly will.
But is it worth it? Abso-damn-lootly.
If only to see John Terry cry again, Joe Cole whine some more and Rooney go off his nut.
25

Teary Ennui,

25/05/2008 15:36:28
"If the Rankers bigoted and sectarian supporters turn up for a Scotland v England match,it is most likely that they would be supporting England" (#13)

As it happens, surveys have repeatedly shown that there are more fans of Rangers in the Scotland support than of any other single club. Conversely, Celtic (or should I follow your lead and say "Ceptic"?) have a lower proportion of Scoland fans in their support than any other club in Scotland.
26

Teary Ennui,

25/05/2008 15:36:29
"If the Rankers bigoted and sectarian supporters turn up for a Scotland v England match,it is most likely that they would be supporting England" (#13)

As it happens, surveys have repeatedly shown that there are more fans of Rangers in the Scotland support than of any other single club. Conversely, Celtic (or should I follow your lead and say "Ceptic"?) have a lower proportion of Scoland fans in their support than any other club in Scotland.
27

kimba,

25/05/2008 15:56:54
24. And do you think the England supporters are just going to sit there,whilst the gobby tartan army hurl abuse! if the tartan army keep their notorious gobs shut,there will be no trouble from the English fans.
28

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/05/2008 16:09:00
Rangers fans aren't Scottish, they're British. Everyone knows that.
29

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/05/2008 16:10:37
"if the tartan army keep their notorious gobs shut,there will be no trouble from the English fans."

Good Lord, I think I just wet myself.
30

kimba,

25/05/2008 16:15:34
28.And Scottish,English,and Welsh=British.
31

kimba,

25/05/2008 16:16:33
29.You really should get that seen to!
32

JT,

25/05/2008 19:31:09
It was the english media that called the yobs the Tartan Army, which is just plain wrong. When there was problems with liverpool fans in Beligium years ago it was ENGLISH clubs that were banned for years, yes these people disgaced the image of Scottish footy and the bigots at the SFA must been seen to kick this behavour out of the whole of the game as UEFA wont touch this with a bargepole. I dont think this is a reason why there wouldnt be a england scotland game I think they are just using it as an excuse.
33

lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/05/2008 19:35:23
But Ramgers are a British Team - haven’t you all observed the Union Jacks - they are neither Scottish or English and therefore their supporters actions should be disregarded when it comes to home internationals . They represent everything British that Gordon Broon Stives toward !
34

lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/05/2008 19:38:36
#20 Loki - Rangers Supporters are ‘Right’ thinking you a-hole - politics you both share !
35

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 20:00:44
21 - Kirsty, you don't have a scooby. Tribalism, eh ? yer sounding like the late unlamented Wallet Merger. He didnae have a scooby aboot Embra fitba traditions either.
36

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 20:05:08
25 - "there are more fans of Rangers in the Scotland support than any single club" your evidence ?
Besides it must come as cultural shock to some of those Scotland-supporting hu....Rangers fans to see all the saltires as opposed to Union jacks and Ulster Red Hands ?
37

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 20:06:45
30 Kimba, I bet you're in favour of a GB Olympic 'soccer' team ?
38

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 25/05/2008 20:35:39
No.35 Pilrig > Kirsty, you don't have a scooby

If you could perhaps manage to express yourself in English, I might grasp the point that you are so desperately failing to make.
As for Wallet Merger, I have never heard of the person nor do I see any reference to him or her in my copy of Who's Who. I assume the person is / was a nonentity and therefore of no consequence.
39

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 25/05/2008 20:56:19
No34
Comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
40

jerrymanders,

25/05/2008 22:29:12
Rangers were a disgrace. We all know it. Ban them.
41

Alba Abú,

25/05/2008 22:52:27
#30 Oh! look who it is ,KIMBA THE MINGER. Sling your hook MINGER!
42

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/05/2008 23:24:44
35 - scooby = rhyming slang for clue (scooby doo) geddit ?
Wallet Merger aka Anthony Wallace Mercer aka FTB, "a nonentity, and therefore of no consequence" - who would I be to argue with you ? : )
43

Teary Ennui,

25/05/2008 23:49:14
'"there are more fans of Rangers in the Scotland support than any single club" your evidence ?' (#36)

Surveys done for Stirling University, on the main Tartan Army website, etc.

Stop buying into stereotypes.
44

Denise_W,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 10:08:52
It still comes down to the same thing. Yes, Rangers fans screwed up big time with this BUT does it cancel out everything English fans have ever done? Hunting down members of other clubs and threatening their lives? How many times have English fans been banned from flights or ferries or matches?
45

ldopas,

Cheshire 26/05/2008 15:50:27
7 Pilrig.,Livingston

Well said, and shame on the morons who attacked you.

Claiming that the horrific Rangers rioting in the city I work in and I witnessed, Manchester was Glasgow people and not Scottish is idiotic at best.

Its like me claiming that English hooliganism is not English because it is Londoners is just as ridiculous. Would you Scots swallow that, I think not.

The Rangers riots showed that you have the same problem we do. Why you Scots are so tetchy about it, is because it punctured that little fantasy bubble you love to drone on about about you being the saintly fans from heaven, whereas we are scum. Its not true and it showed you are just the same as us.
46

Joseph Bloggs,

SUNNY LEITH 27/05/2008 16:38:29
And here we go the with same old posters the Bhoys of the old blame the Rangers Brigade.
How many arrests are their on any given weekend in the Manchester city centre because of drink induced violence?
Then compare that too 200k football supporters in which 6 ended up in court .... none of which were identified as niether season ticket holders or members of the Rangers supporters travel club.
The scenes we were fed by the media were ugly to say the least but no one seems to care mention the images of the Supporters cowering in fear others adults trying to cover their wives and children from the onslaught of riot police and the neds throwing bottles.
Dont fit the anti rangers agenda that has collected momentum since Joke McConnell the Celtic season ticket holder who started the agenda.
I am a proud Hibs supporter and have no love for rangers fc or her supporters but in all good concience cannot stand aside and watch this onesided rangers witchhunt unfold without commenting it is presecution no more no less.
47

ldopas,

Cheshire 27/05/2008 16:55:33
46 Joseph Bloggs,SUNNY LEITH 27/05/2008

Oh god, here we go again.

YES there is trouble in every City centre now and again. Two wrongs dont make a right.

But please show me when we had a riot in Manch city Centre last? Even the Manchester Derbys dont end in riots.

Stop excusing disgusting behaviour. I dont excuse it whether its Rangers fans or Manchester United fans. IT IS WRONG. Ok, get that?

But reading the rest of your post, its clear you just excuse violence, because of some strange jingoism. Im willing to bet if it had been Arsenal fans in Paris, you would have been the first on here frothing at the mouth.

Its only when we ALL stand up and condemn violent fans from wherever they come that it will stop. Making excuses like you are doing it just wrong.
48

Joseph Bloggs,

Sunny Leith 27/05/2008 18:05:14
Idopas

You misunderstand me sir i find violence aborhent at any level my point is every team football team has its followers intent on violence, even my own team Hibernian has its own followers who go to the home and away games not only for the football but to engage in mindless violence casuals is the label they fall under ours are known as the Capital City Service (The CCS).Their is also the tiny minority (almost gone due to self fan policing) who week in week out sing songs in honour of some defunct Irish terrorist organisation the IRA ( who bombed Manchester) and sing horrible ditties as F**k Tim Parry and the British Army ..... it is mindless and sickening.
Another point being when this outright bigotry and violence from fans and players (Derek Riordan singing Rudi Skatchells an effin refuge when at Hibs) to other players from Celtic singing IRA ditties are all well known to the Scottish press yet its hardly an issue but when it comes to Rangers any little thing and they are derided by both press and certain agenda driven fans compare Celtics run to seville an excellent achievment in itself, but on the road to seville there were fans shooting fans over a hundred arrests in Blackburn 747 airliners diverted from the skies because violence towards the cabin crew and non hooped wearing passengers to the running battles on the terracings in amsterdam with opposing fans and RIOT POLICE ........ and Celtic fans were rewarded with a Fans Award by UEFA (proposed and championed by the Scottish press)it belies belief.
The onesidedness of the Scottish media and the celticminded driven journolists and fans with agendas is nothing short of becoming the Scottish Inquesition and rangers fc and its fans are their target it is clear to see even to a Hibs supporter. Violence/Bigotry Is alright for one side but not for the other its PERSECUTION no more no less.Violence and sectairianism its ilk are aborhent at any level of society.
49

ldopas,

28/05/2008 14:02:02
48 Joseph Bloggs,Sunny Leith 27/05/2008

Apologies to you. I probably misread you. I suspect we are singing off the same hymn sheet where this topic is concerned!

 

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