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Triple gold medallist Hoy returns to hero's welcome in capital



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Published Date: 27 August 2008
OLYMPIC hero Chris Hoy made a triumphant return to his home city this morning, joining his fellow Scottish Beijing stars for an official reception at Edinburgh Castle.
The city's Lord Provost told the cyclist the city was "proud and inspired" by his achievements.

Silver medallists Katherine Grainger, Ross Edgar and David Florence were also among those present at the event in the capital this morning.

The athl
etes later set off on an open-top bus ride down the historic Royal Mile to Holyrood Park.

Scotland's Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Louise Martin, chair of Sportscotland, were also at the castle to welcome the athletes back.

"Chris Hoy is now Scotland's most successful ever Olympian and everyone in Edinburgh is immensely proud of him," Lord Provost George Grubb said today.

"Watching him power to victory three times in Beijing was truly inspirational and the city's open-top bus parade gives as many people as possible the chance to join in the celebrations.

"I'm sure that Edinburgh will give all of the winning medallists a fantastic welcome home."

Track cyclist Hoy, 32, was the first Briton for 100 years to win three golds at a single Olympics – and became Scotland's greatest Olympian in the process.

The Edinburgh athlete, dubbed The Flying Scotsman, won his gold medals in the men's sprint, the team sprint and the Keirin in Beijing.

He had also won a gold at the Athens Games in 2004 in the 1km time trial.

Sturgeon said today: "Very few athletes achieve the honour of being selected to represent their country as an Olympian and I am sure that all of Scotland will join me in congratulating the very successful Team GB, its 32 Scottish members and our four Scots medallists."

The SNP government in Scotland caused a stir in recent days by repeating its call for a separate Scottish Olympic team, despite the success of Team GB, but Sturgeon today emphasised the importance getting involved in sport.

"The Scottish Government's overriding priority is to see an increase in sporting participation rates throughout Scotland," she added.

"The success of our four medallists can only be a major influence on our young people and help inspire the heroes of tomorrow."

Ms Martin said she was proud of all the athletes, including the 32 Scots in Team GB.

"The achievements of the four Scottish medallists will hopefully inspire and motivate our young people to take part in sport and physical activity and engender the belief that they too can succeed," she added.

Hoy told a press conference today he had been overwhelmed by the reception he has received.

"To come back home to the reception I've received – it's almost overwhelming. It has been incredible," he said.

"This is a special moment for me being back and at this iconic location as well of Edinburgh Castle."

The cyclist said it was also positive for so much media attention to be centred on a "minority sport" and hoped it would inspire more youngsters to participate.

Hoy revealed the experience in Beijing had been "unbelievable".

He added: "I knew it was possible in each event to be the best but to do it at the same time and do it under pressure, it's difficult to describe."

He went on: "There's so much pressure in the build up and expectation.
"It was an incredible time."

Edgar, 25, who clinched silver in the men's Keirin, described winning the medal as "the biggest thing that's ever happened in my life".

He went on: "Just to be in the same era as Chris, it's an amazing thing."

Edgar told the press conference his Olympics had been filled with ups and downs.

He had been hoping for a medal in the team sprint but just a few days before the event he was taken out of the team.

The young athlete then had to quickly refocus all his efforts on the Keirin.

He said: "When I crossed that line I was just so happy that I had come away with something from the Games and to do it with Chris as well was really amazing."

Rower Grainger, 32, picked up her third silver medal in three consecutive Olympic Games.

Asked whether she would be competing in the London 2012 Games, she said: "It's only two days since Beijing so it's quite early to make any decisions.

"Anyone who's been to an Olympics would agree it's the most inspirational, inspiring, exciting thing to be part of.

"Even getting there is a huge achievement."

She admitted the 2012 Games was a "draw" and said: "There's still a gold to be won."

The Glasgow-born athlete went on: "I think we've only got a tiny idea of just what London 2012 will do for the whole country.

"It will be incredible on many, many levels.

"Of course I want to be part of that."

Canoeist Florence, 26, spoke of the moment he took a silver medal in the men's slalom.

He said: "That final run, to be honest that's the easy part. It's before you start the run, that is the tough part."

He said his thoughts were: "It's been about 10 years' work and this is the Olympic final and I actually feel pretty good."

The Aberdeen athlete continued: "As soon as you start the run you are doing what you are used to doing day-in day-out.

"The run went fairly well fortunately in the final. We came to the bottom and crossed the line and that was it.

"That was 10 years of pressure over."

Simon Clegg, Team GB chef de mission, hailed Scotland's "outstanding and critical contribution" to Britain's most successful Olympics for a century.

He said: "These are very special athletes, not just the athletes sitting beside me, but the 311 athletes that made up Team GB, including 31 Scottish men and Scottish women who contributed in such a major way to the success of Team GB."

He went on: "These people are members of a very special club, a club that money can't buy, a club that many people aspire to and a club on whom membership is bestowed on very few.

"Each and every one of them has achieved a massive lifetime goal by representing our country at the Olympic Games."

Mr Clegg continued: "Scotland made an outstanding and critical contribution to the success of Team GB."

He pointed out that Scottish athletes were represented in 12 out of 20 sports in which the British team participated.

And in two sports, tennis and canoe slalom, the participants were exclusively Scottish.

Mr Clegg said: "I think that's a huge testament to Scottish sport.
"I do not believe there's been a more exciting time, more dynamic time in Scottish sport than at this moment in time as you look forward to Glasgow 2014."

The four athletes emerged from the castle to huge applause from a crowd of waiting well-wishers.

A bagpiper played as the sportsmen raised their arms and cheered.

They climbed aboard a red open-top bus, their medals hanging around their necks, and the vehicle set off down the Royal Mile.

Cheering crowds packed the pavements as the bus rolled past.



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1

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 12:43:46
"I am sure that all of Scotland will join me in congratulating the very successful Team GB, its 32 Scottish members and our four Scots medallists."

Nice to see Nicola Sturgeon putting aside party politics to congratulate the Scottish athletes and Team GB too, shame her leader can't do the same...

""The Scottish Government's overriding priority is to see an increase in sporting participation rates throughout Scotland"

So why are the SNP-led Edinburgh Council knocking down the Meadowbank Velodrome and why are the Scottish Government standing by and letting it happen?
2

Calum10,

27/08/2008 12:51:24
Here is what Chris Hoy has to say over the idea of a Scottish Olympic team, "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous. If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

So who has been lying - The Hootsmon or Chris Hoy?
3

Hmmm!!!!,

27/08/2008 12:54:07
Edinburgh RC are having a track day on 6th September from 1.30pm. See their website at: http://www.edinburghrc.co.uk/news/452/57

Ride on the track Chris Hoy learned on.
4

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27/08/2008 12:54:48
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Jwil,

27/08/2008 12:55:23
I read in another newspaper that, last night Chris Hoy clarified his position on a possible Scottish olympics team that he is in favour of one. So I hope this newspaper will be as quick to print this as they were to fabricate Hoy's supposed "its ridiculous" statement.
6

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27/08/2008 12:57:00
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walter,

27/08/2008 12:57:16
Oh! Ms Sturgeon what have you done, you will upset a few cybernats thats for sure, congratulating all of team GB and acknowledging the UK as a country.
Anyway I would like to congratulate all the British athletes whether Scots, English, Welsh or N. Irish who took part in the games and represented their country medal winners or not.

8

Doh,

27/08/2008 12:59:00
#1


Errr,because a velodrome costs a lot of money and maintain. A new velodrome is being built in Glasgow, are you saying every town should have its own velodrome?

9

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 13:00:57
Calum10:

Why are you repeating your post every few minutes? We can see your point, there is no need to repeat yourself, that will just annoy people.
10

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27/08/2008 13:01:31
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Yeah1,

27/08/2008 13:03:23
#8

"Errr,because a velodrome costs a lot of money and maintain. A new velodrome is being built in Glasgow, are you saying every town should have its own velodrome?"

Well Chris Hoy certainly thinks the Edinburgh Velodrome should remain, are you saying you know more about velodromes and cycling than him?

If Scotland is to have its own Olympic team in the future it certainly needs more than one velodrome - there should be one in each of the two biggest Scottish cities.
12

AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 13:03:35
Great to see Scotland's Chris Hoy back amongst his "ain folk"!
13

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 13:10:52
Calum10:

The quotes you keep repeating come from a Daily Record article today.

The same paper also quoted Chris Hoy yesterday as saying:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."

I assume that if you believe the Record's quotes from today's article you also believe their quotes from yesterday's too, that Chris Hoy is a 'very proud Brit'?
14

Peter Baleares,

Palma 27/08/2008 13:14:13
12,

I`ve read what some of his "ain folk" from your political leaning have had to say about Chris over the last few days AJ........... I hope he never does.
15

Calum10,

27/08/2008 13:15:51
Johnston Press, the owners of the Hootsmon, reported overall losses of £53.7 million today.

I wonder why?
16

Red Etin,

27/08/2008 13:17:12
TEAM SCOTLAND 2012
17

walter,

27/08/2008 13:18:17
#12
Hopefully he will not read what some of his "ain folk" (those with a nationalistic view) had to say about him on these very threads over the last few days.
18

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 13:18:32
Yeahperson writes:

""Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well.""

They are not mutually exclusive. A Swede can be a proud Scandinavian. A New Zealander and Aussie can be proud Antipodeans. A Scot, should he wish, can be a proud Brit.

Unfortunately for you, the term need not be political.

I would imagine that when Holyrood is fully democratized, there will still be plenty of people in Sciotland who have astrong attachment to a wider British identity (though I would imagine it will become less parochial and perhaps take in more of the general Anglophone world as identifiers of its shared culture).


19

AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 13:33:32
Peter Baleares,

Unfortunately some people have been duped by the misquotes in the Scotsman. A reaction the journalists went out of their way to provoke! Mr Hoy has now put the record by saying he'd be proud to represent a Scottish Olympic team, if it materialises in the future.

The vast majority of SNP supporters recognise the success of the 'British' team. It is, afterall, the only platform Scottish sportsman have at the Olympics, and that's fine for now. However, the UK framework will be changed in the future, and more Scottish sportsmen and women will be able to experience the Olympic Games, as part of Team Scotland.

This will happen! Mr Salmond is gonna make sure it happens.........

20

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 13:34:01
11 Yeah 1
On the subject of velodromes facilities I think we need to get some perspective. There are only 2 indoor velodromes in the whole of the UK a the moment (Manchester and Newport, South Wales). Now because of Chris Hoy people seem to be saying let's build velodromes all over Scotland but cycling is just one of 28 Olympic and 8 winter olympic sports.

How do we know that future great Olympians won't be skaters, rowers, swimmers etc.? Will we have to build and run lots of specialist centres in all of these sports. The centre in Manchester costs £20m per year to run. How much would it cost to run dozens of these.
Certainly we could have a centre at the new velodrome in Glasgow and then seek to provide centres for other sports rather than just concentrating on cycling.
21

Darien,

Panama 27/08/2008 13:39:05
#1 said: "So why are the SNP-led Edinburgh Council knocking down the Meadowbank Velodrome and why are the Scottish Government standing by and letting it happen?"

Because all the Unionist/Brit-Nat MSP's voted to waste £500m of our cash on a crazy tram scheme. Because Hen Broon has cut the Scots Gov pocket money. Because Westmonster has wars to pay for, bombs to build, failed banks to prop up, and dozens of infras and olympic schemes in Lundun to pay for. That's why we cannae afford a velodrome!
22

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 13:40:15
Hawk writes:

"You've totally overshadowed his moment of glory by embroiling him in your stupid unionist propaganda trips, just like you do with Andrew Murray."

Could not agree more.

This new unionism which has emerged in Scotland over the last few years is going to destroy what it desperately wants to preserve. It treats people like foolish puppets waiting to be manipulated.

People woke up to it in the last year. It would seem that more and more are growing increasingly impatient with it. If they do not mend their ways, it is going to result in the ideal they are so desperately defending becoming as hated as the methods they use to defend it.

23

Darien,

Panama 27/08/2008 13:40:32
Well said #16:

TEAM SCOTLAND 2012
24

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 13:48:04
#19

"Frankly, I think it's disgraceful that people like you and the Scotsman have gone to such length to appopriate this man's magnificent personal achievements for your unionist propaganda to serve your own miserable ends."

Not sure why you assume I'm a unionist? I was merely pointing out to Callum10 that if he chooses to believe quotes from a particular newspaper then surely he also believes quotes from the same newspaper that take a different perspective.

As to your overall point I would agree totally, both unionists and nationalists have attempted to embroil Chris Hoy in a political debate over the last few days to get some political point scoring, when his achievements should be left as they are - a magnificent sporting triumph.

Whilst you condemn unionists for their 'disgraceful' behaviour I assume you would also condemn the many nationalists on these boards who were vilifying Chris Hoy the other day for saying he was proud to be part of team GB?
25

Doh,

27/08/2008 13:48:37
#11 Yeah1

As it happens I do cycle to work but wouldnt claim to know more about cycling that Chris Hoy.

I am not sure why you think only Glasgow and Edinburgh should have velodromes. Why not Dundee, Aberdeen, Inverness, Perth etc.

Is it to do with cost?
26

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 13:53:36
Yeahperson writes: "Whilst you condemn unionists for their 'disgraceful' behaviour I assume you would also condemn the many nationalists on these boards who were vilifying Chris Hoy the other day for saying he was proud to be part of team GB?"

Were they vilifying him or the persona the Scotsman publications and Daily Record presented of a person sneering at the idea of a Scottish olympic team?

Are they now applauding him or applauding his now clear unwillingness to be used by fanatical unionists desperately trying to rubbish everything connected with Scotland in a gruby bid to shore up British political identity?

Personally, I think the latter in both cases. What about you?
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 13:59:07
#18 Malcolm

I suspect your Swede-Scandinavian analogy and the Aussie one are just unfounded nonsense, dreamt up in the depths of your Unionist psyche.

As for being a Scot and a proud Brit, I have no idea how to "be" a Brit, proud or otherwise.

Most Scots can identify with being a Scot, as can be seen on National sporting occasions such as rugby and football internationals or the commonwealth games.

I have rarely, if ever, seen the equivalent for British events, aand that includes the Olympics.
28

MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 13:59:12
Interesting to note that on another story posters who have compared the Scotsman's take on what Hoy is alleged to have said regarding a Team Scotland the other day with what the Daily Record says today are having their posts deleted. As Calum10 at #2 stated one or other of these newspapers is telling porkies.
Someone feathers at the Scotsman being ruffled?
29

Calum10,

27/08/2008 14:00:35
The jury is still out on what Chris Hoy did say over the idea of a Scottish Olmpic team and the Hootsmon who reported that Chris Hoy said the idea was "ridiculous".

Somebody is telling porkies - is it Chris Hoy or the Hootsmon? Which of the two has form on misleading and untrue stories?
30

JG,

Fife 27/08/2008 14:00:56
#20 AJ
I'm not sure why you're so confident that Scotland will suddenly construct sporting facilities. Where will the money come from? Remember, it wouldn't just be velodromes that would be required (and I saw a programme recently that said Chris Hoy thought that at the very least the Edinburgh one would need upgraded). You'd need to provide for everyone, too - there is a shortage of proper swimming pools for example. And we'd need world class trainers and support staff. We're struggling to pay for the personal care package for the elderly at the moment - how is Salmond going to conjure up the cash for sports?
31

The Scotchman,

27/08/2008 14:02:51
- Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. says Chris Hoy. The Edinburgh cyclist rubbished reports that he thought the idea was "ridiculous".

"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

http://tinyurl.com/6apykg
32

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:03:33
Message 27 writes: "by that standard, neither is the desire to have (or not to have) a Scots Olympic Team a political statement."

You'll have to clafiy what you mean.

he also writes: "Perhaps we should assume that Chris Hoy's statements are generally apolitical and based on what he believes would be good for people winning medals"

This is what I assume he means. What anyone else assumes is no doubt conditioned by their willingness (or not) to be led by their political partialities. He is taking a strikly neutral stance here.

He also writes: "(although the Scotsman might find that a boring approach to take)."

The Scotsmand (and other tabloids) do not take decisions at the political newsdesk determined by what is boring and what is not. They make those decisions based upon the political line of their editorial. At the moment, that editorial line is extremely pro-British (I say extremely, because they manipulate the facts in order to present a vision of reality which is designed to convince people of their own political message - for a paper of record, that is as extreme as it gets; think Pravda).

Thus their approach to printing stories is informed by a wish to present a picture which converts people to the Scotsman's true faith (currently British political identity) - not because people might find it interesting.
33

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 14:04:55
22 Darien
But look also at where other money has gone. Why did we need to spend millions of lottery money on rebuilding Hampden when we already had a bigger national stadium at Murrayfield. If Wales and France can play both their football and rugby internationals in the same stadium why can't Scotland. How many contries of 5million people have two (both underused) national stadia of over 50000 cpacity.
34

Calum10,

27/08/2008 14:07:51
The Hootsmon can censor all these posts if they want but they can't run away from the charge that have been delibrately falsifying comments attributed to Chris Hoy.

Did Chris Hoy actually say the idea of a Scottish Olympic team was "ridiculous" or not? That surely would be very easy to establish if true.

Who has been lying over this matter - is it Chris Hoy or the Hootsmon?
35

AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 14:11:51
JG,

Sports facilities will be plentiful in a future dynamic Scotland. Let Mr Salmond worry about the details. Plus, all the best athletes will get scholarships in America - look at the Jamaicans! :)

There's mair than wan wey tae skin a cat........
36

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:12:32
#28

"Were they vilifying him or the persona the Scotsman publications and Daily Record presented of a person sneering at the idea of a Scottish olympic team?"

I don't know, I can't see into their minds.

All I saw were numerous posts criticising Hoy for saying he was 'proud to be part of team GB' - I assume the newspapers didn't actually make up that quote.

I find it sad that people like you, and your unionist counterparts on the other side of the spectrum, point blank refuse to admit that anyone on your 'side' ever says anything wrong, or ever does anything like attempting to embroil an athlete in a political debate.

Both 'sides' have used Chris Hoy as a political pawn other the last few days, why don't you just take off your pathetic blinkers and admit it?
37

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:14:16
Connaughtboy writes: "I suspect your Swede-Scandinavian analogy and the Aussie one are just unfounded nonsense, dreamt up in the depths of your Unionist psyche.

As for being a Scot and a proud Brit, I have no idea how to "be" a Brit, proud or otherwise.

Most Scots can identify with being a Scot, as can be seen on National sporting occasions such as rugby and football internationals or the commonwealth games.

I have rarely, if ever, seen the equivalent for British events, aand that includes the Olympics."

Mmm, where to start with this one?

Firsly, the only union which I am emotionally attached to is the European Union.

Secondly, if you don't have any empathy with a British identity, then who am I to deny that? identity is often a construct of the imagination.

I do have an attachment to it. I like the English, I like the Irish, I like the Welsh. I am aware that I share quite a lot in common with them.

The term 'British' is perhaps inadequate for defining that relationship. For the Irish have an understandable pathological hatred of the term (crudely put, they see it as an imperialist imposition - which, at one level it is), and so will not partake of it. And Scots like you, also have an understandable dislike of the term as a cultural identifier (it has been used to destroy all sorts of areas of distinct Scottish cultural expressions).

But to be honest, I think that the aversion of the republicans in Ireland, and some Scottish nationalists to the term British will go when 1) Ireland is united, and 2) Scotland has a parliament in Holyrood which is fully sovereign.

The old sceptre of Britishness as a club to beat the Scots and Irish into political submission will then have gone.

You might be a bit more receptive to it then.
38

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:14:19
Calum10:

Instead of constantly repeating that post why don't you do something useful like answering my question in #13?

I asked:

The quotes you keep repeating come from a Daily Record article today.

The same paper also quoted Chris Hoy yesterday as saying:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."

I assume that if you believe the Record's quotes from today's article you also believe their quotes from yesterday's too, that Chris Hoy is a 'very proud Brit'?
39

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:20:03
Yeahperson writes: " don't know, I can't see into their minds."

Try using your brain to make a judgement based upon available facts. It really is amazing what such an approach can achieve.

he also writes: "I find it sad that people like you, and your unionist counterparts on the other side of the spectrum, point blank refuse to admit that anyone on your 'side' ever says anything wrong, or ever does anything like attempting to embroil an athlete in a political debate."

Ah, the old 'you are all as bad as eachother' line - which, of course, implies that the person doing the accusing is somehow a detached observer.

My side, dear boy, is that of the democrat and amateur postmodernist. So are you stating that Unionism in Scotland is the opposite of postmodernism and democracy? So they are, according to your calculation, enlightenment Imperialists?

Is Edward Gibbon the ultimate unionist icon?



40

JG,

Fife 27/08/2008 14:20:37
#40 AJ
Sorry, I don't believe politicians. Not just Salmond - ANY OF THEM! A "future, dynamic Scotland" would certainly be a lovely place to live - but I just don't buy all the hype!

I also can't figure why it's OK to send our talented athletes to the US but not to England. What's that all about?

Finally, why do you think we'll have more athletes if we had a Scottish Olympic team? They have to reach a qualifying standard and quite simply those who didn't go to Beijing, didn't!
41

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 14:21:25
Great to see the Scots Olympic medallists coming down the Royal Mile today on their open top bus, with the Saltire proudly displayed on the front. Well done.
42

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:21:45
#38

"Did Chris Hoy actually say the idea of a Scottish Olympic team was "ridiculous" or not? That surely would be very easy to establish if true."

No, if you look back at the original article you will see the quote that Chris Hoy made:

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team. I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete".

If you read the article it clearly states that Chris Hoy thinks that a future Scottish team would be possible if facilities were built, but that at this stage it would be 'ridiculous'.

Now please stop repeating your post.
43

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:24:04
Darklord @ 39:

I agree wholeheartedly. It was totally neutral.

He deserves even more respect for his unwillingness to be used as a political pawn.
44

Calum10,

27/08/2008 14:24:20
It's time for the Hootsmon to retract the report about what Chris Hoy has supposedly said, and apologise, or put into the public domain evidence that supports their original "ridiculous" story.

This could go all the way to the Press Council.
45

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:26:23
The Unionist rag the Scotsman should be sued
for gross misrepresentation by Chris Hoy & Alex Salmond.
Their blind Unionist sycophancy masquerading as journalism has been exposed as nothing more
than biased utter garbage.

Their two "major" "scoops" for which they have penned
copious articles in the last week have been
exposed as completely artificial concoctions that
spin lies and slander in some feeble and desperate
attempt to save this rotting Union from it's
natural fate.

Story 1 :
"Chris Hoy: Scottish team in Olympics would be 'ridiculous'"
see - tinyurl.com/6e3xov

Today's Daily Record
"Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. with enough investment, says Chris Hoy"
"Scotland could form a world-class team - with the right investment in sports."
"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous."
"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

see - tinyurl.com/6apykg

Story 2 :
"Alex Salmond: Scotland 'didn't mind' Thatcher economics - SCOTSMAN.COM EXCLUSIVE"
see - tinyurl.com/6mh9rt
Ian Dale the interviewer stated -
"Quite how Labour has managed to spin Salmond's remarks about Thatcher in the way that it has is quite astonishing - but the Scottish media has such a Labour bias it makes English newspapers look positively balanced by comparison. Every single Scottish media outlet is biased against the SNP."
see - tinyurl.com/5n2r6f

The Unionistas of course are so blind they will still
deny that there is substantial bias in the press -
apparently they enjoy the fruits of a completely
slanted playing field - Democracy British Style.

Speaking of bias when are the Scottish Papers going
to report on the major North Sea oil story from
over 3 months ago.

"'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'"
see tinyurl.com/54wl8e
"North Sea oil 'will last for another half century'"
see - tinyurl.com/6ml3np

Saor A
46

Lady Golightly,

27/08/2008 14:26:44
AJ of Fife appears to idolise Mr Salmond to the extent of slavering over the Scottish FM.

Are they related to one another? Or does AJ just have a crush on cuddly Alex?
47

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27/08/2008 14:30:03
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AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 14:30:15
JG,

The US college system has been training many of our athletes and swimmers for years. The US have always had a healthy respect for sporting prowess. The British Isles weather isn't really condusive to supporting athletes in a wide range of sports. So that's a situation that will never change.

If you don't believe that a better future for Scotland is possible......what's the point?
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Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:31:31
#44

"Try using your brain to make a judgement based upon available facts. It really is amazing what such an approach can achieve."

Okay well I'm sure some of the posters were vilifying Chris Hoy because they didn't read the whole article properly and therefore assumed Hoy was saying a Scottish Olympic team was ridiculous rather than 'ridiculous at this stage' - so that can be put down to a combination of the Scotsman headline and them not reading the article.

However some of the posters were also vilifying Hoy for saying he was proud to be British - a direct quote from him, so I would assume in that case they were directly vilifying him.

"My side, dear boy, is that of the democrat and amateur postmodernist."

So since you take neither the nationalist or unionist side I assume you will admit that both sides have attempted to use Chris Hoy's sporting achievements to make their own political points?
50

kimba,

27/08/2008 14:33:00
The amount they're given depends on the category they fall in. Those at the podium level, ie those with realistic medal-winning capabilities, enjoy the highest, followed by development athletes - those with a strong chance of winning a medal at the next Games. The bottom tier is made up of those in the talent level - athletes with the potential to become world class.

Podium-level athletes can hope to receive a maximum APA of £25,000 a year. On top of this, they also receive their coaching and competition travel expenses plus access to high-tech training facilities, research and innovation programmes and performance analysis.

They also have the use of medical specialists such as sports scientists and psychologists, nutritionists and physiotherapists. The overall package enjoyed by a podium athlete can be worth an equivalent of up to £75,000 a year.

Competitors at the development level, meanwhile, can expect to earn up to £10,000 through an APA and also have access to similar coaching and medical support worth around £25,000.
51

kimba,

27/08/2008 14:35:23
Salmond can only dream,'cos he sure as hell can't afford it!
52

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:35:52
#50 Traquir:

So I'm assuming that since you apparently believe the quotes attributed to Chris Hoy in today's Daily Record you would also believe the quotes attributed to Chris Hoy in yesterday's Daily Record too, namely:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."

Do you believe that Hoy said the above? Or do you pick and choose your quotes based on whether they happen to be in line with what you believe?
53

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:37:10
Yeakperson writes:

"So since you take neither the nationalist or unionist side I assume you will admit that both sides have attempted to use Chris Hoy's sporting achievements to make their own political points?"

As far as I am aware there is no nationalist newspaper in Scotland. So, it is safe to then assume that no newspaper in Scotland has tried to splash the idea across its front page that Chris Hoy was somehow advocating a Scottish olympic team.

So how you can say that nationalists have attempted to make hay on this issue is beyond me. A few people making comments on an internet forum is not the same as two newspaper of record (the Scotsman and the Daily Record) attempting to distort the truth (which you seem to be denying with your 'had they read the full article' nonsense - how many people who read those two tabloid read full articles?) to a mass audience.

Your 'spread the blame' stance here (one often favoured by those who operate within political parties - which makes me naturally suspicious of you) is wildly misplaced.

These two tabloids have behaved intolerably.
54

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 14:42:06
#58

I wasn't talking about the way the newspapers have behaved - it is already a given that they are biased so it is not surprising - I was talking about the posters on these boards.

both nationalist and unionist sympathisers on these boards have attempted to use Chris Hoy's achievements to make political points. Some nationalists have also vilified Hoy for saying he was proud to be British and part of team GB.
55

Armstrong Cowan Again,

The Debatable Land 27/08/2008 14:43:48
# Callum 10

What is all this fuss about - if you don't like the Scotsman feel free not to read it. Newspapers often get their facts wrong and people are misquoted every day. The fact is the article provided a platform to let us all let of steam.
Can you do this in China, Cuba or Russia without repercussions? We all read articles that make you want to scream now and again but life would be boring if we agreed on everything all the time.
And just to correct my own rather negative and misunderstood comments on the olympics - Well done everybody and especially Mr Hold
56

Calum10,

27/08/2008 14:45:24
Story 1 - Hoy attacks 'ridiculous' plan for Scottish Olympics team: Published Date: 25 August 2008, By CATHERINE SALMOND

SPORTING legend Chris Hoy has slammed SNP proposals to create a Scottish Olympic team, branding the idea as "ridiculous".

Story 2 - Hoy refused to back Sir Sean's Olympic call: Published Date: 25 August 2008
By DAVID GUNN
OLYMPIC gold medallist Chris Hoy today refused to back a call by actor Sir Sean Connery for a separate Scottish Olympic team. The triple gold medal winner has already been quoted as describing a Scottish team – an idea favoured by First Minister Alex Salmond – as "ridiculous".

There are other Hootsmon stories that carry the "ridiculous" comment.

What Chris Hoy has said today is, "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous."

So the notion that the "ridiculous" comment can be qualified is utter nonsense, because Chris Hoy is now claiming he never said it in the first place.

What is clear is the context in which all these Hootsmon stories have been concocted. There are all baseless attacks on the SNP.


57

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:45:29
57 Yeah1

Both quotes seem quite reasonable to me, not that
I agree with them both of course, but we
do live in democracy, well as close as the
British State will permit it to be, so people
can have differing views. In a true democracy
though we should have a completely level
playing field as opposed to the massively
slanted Unionist version of the playing field
which currently exists.
Both quotes you mentioned were presented clearly
and without some Unionist
bias spin which is more than reasonable.

Perhaps you mistakenly misunderstood the point I was making - it is the gratuitous Unionist bias in papers
like The Scotsman which is pathetic and completely
unacceptable, but perhaps despite the
overwhelming evidence you are unable to
believe this is a statement of fact ?

Slàinte mhor
58

JG,

Fife 27/08/2008 14:46:40
#53 AJ
I know about the US and sport. I'm just wondering why people find it so unpalatable to send Scottish athletes to England to train if they have better facilities than we have.

And I think it would be great if we could have a better set-up in Scotland with all of the opportunities such a situation would give our youngsters, but in the real world we just can't afford it. Look at the situation in the Kingdom just now - Carnegie Centre shutting down for repairs and the great debate about whether or not to keep Kirkcaldy pool and Sports Institute open. If they shut the latter two we'll be back to how it was in Andrew Carnegie's time!
59

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 14:49:28
#36 darklord

You miss my point. Scots are always more passionate about Scottish teams than they are about British teams. I did not claim that I had rarely seen a Scot support a British team.
60

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 14:52:20
Yeahperson writes:

"both nationalist and unionist sympathisers on these boards have attempted to use Chris Hoy's achievements to make political points. Some nationalists have also vilified Hoy for saying he was proud to be British and part of team GB"

So what you're saying is: some people on a message board have been attacking A N Other's political views?

In what way is that worthy of comment?

I am more interested (as I am sure most other serious people are) in the bigger picture. Mass media using sports stars in Scotland to sell a message of British political identity is a much more interesting phenomenon.

It has been the unionist press who have been doing this. They have been doing it against the backdrop of a bigger, more concerted attempt at a macro-political level to impose a particular type of political identity upon people (Gordon Brown's Britishness agenda).

This sort of thing is going to end in tears. Scottish and British people tend to react very negatively to people who try to impose esentially non-organic cultural trends upon them. It smacks of the worst sort of Soviet-style cultural engineering.





61

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 14:52:27
#42 Malcolm

You seem to agree with everything I said.

Thanks for that.
62

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:53:48
63 JG, Fife

"And I think it would be great if we could have a better set-up in Scotland with all of the opportunities such a situation would give our youngsters, but in the real world we just can't afford it."

You are correct in the "real world" which is
currently the Union we can't afford it when
our funds are diverted to other priorities particularly
the South East. You have highlighted one
of the major arguments for independence in
that will be in a position to invest our monies
as we see fit not on some British largesse.

Cost of Manchester Velodrome without which
Scotland would have won no golds we are told -

£20 million

Cost of London Olympics brand new 2012 Velodrome
original estimate - £40 million
current estimate - £80 million

Monies taken from the Scottish Lottery to
fund the obscenely over budget London Olympics
£184 million
see - tinyurl.com/6pyd43

So basically almost NINE Manchester Velodromes
from the Scottish Lottery Funding alone.

This is just become absolutely scandalous and
everybody knows it is going to be much worse
in terms of even more over-budgeting. In fact
London's complete inability to keep even
remotely to budget is well documented - they
basically just squander their tributes from
their lesser provinces as if it is their
god given right.

"The average overrun in London was 131.5
per cent, almost four times higher than the national average overrun of 33.7 per cent and
making London the worst performing region in the country."

see - tinyurl.com/4swoxk

So London will end up with massive investments
in her infrastructure and has gone massively
over budget with no penalty whatsoever. Scotland
will continue to "invest" millions in this
latest British White Elephant instead of Scots
having the say to decide alternate real investments
we could be using these millions for such
as health care, real business investments,
education,...

Yes we can afford it - have confidence in your o
63

AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 14:54:15
JG#63,

Remember there's always HMS Caledonia! :) It's true the facilities in Fife are in a mess at the moment, but it's been coming for the last 30 years! It's another reason why people are turning towards a new possible solution, through voting for the SNP - even in Fife!!!

I didn't say it's unpalatable to send our athletes to train in England. They should go where the best training is available and if that happens to be in England or wherever, so be it. Look at Scotland's No1, Andy Murray - he learned his craft in Barcelona!

64

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:54:51

cont.

63 JG, Fife

Yes we can afford it - have confidence in your own country.

Saor Alba
65

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:55:27
63 JG, Fife

"And I think it would be great if we could have a better set-up in Scotland with all of the opportunities such a situation would give our youngsters, but in the real world we just can't afford it."

You are correct in the "real world" which is
currently the Union we can't afford it when
our funds are diverted to other priorities particularly
the South East. You have highlighted one
of the major arguments for independence in
that will be in a position to invest our monies
as we see fit not on some British largesse.


. £30 billion subway upgrade program
see - tinyurl.com/6sxrgv
. £5.9 billion on one London railway station
see - tinyurl.com/6yheht
. £16 billion For another London rail line
see - tinyurl.com/yphdwl
. £1 billion to upgrade an existing railway station
see - tinyurl.com/5sn8mm
. three quarters of a billion on a Dome !
see - tinyurl.com/6h6ezn
. Followed of course by yet another London regeneration project
£5 billion
see tinyurl.com/5l3jp3
. £6 billion Channel Tunnel Rail Link
see - tinyurl.com/4pg53n
. £2.5 billion -Roads just around the Docklands in London
http://tinyurl.com/55wh6b
. £3.2 billion For Another Tube line
see - tinyurl.com/5qjoao
. £1 billion improvement to an existing Light Rail Line
see - tinyurl.com/6q2424
. £20 billion for a Second Thames flood barrier planned
see - tinyurl.com/5uf79a
. A £4 billion greenhouse tower over Batersea power station
see- tinyurl.com/6ac8hn
. £9.3 billion for the Channel Tunnel -
see tinyurl.com/6s4vsb
. £4.3 billion for a 5th Heathrow Terminal
see - tinyurl.com/2h5hx6
. £5 billion Upgrade other London airport upgrades
see - tinyurl.com/5oe82n
. £10 billion Plans for Heathrow link to Channel tunnel
see - tinyurl.com/568dzq
. £13 billion for a third runway Heathrow runway
see - tinyurl.com/3bgdtt
. £9 billion for Brown's plans to transform Thames Gateway
see - tinyurl.com/4kr3pt

Yes we can afford it - have confidence in your own country.

Saor A
66

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 14:57:17
#43 give it a rest. Even in the scotsman's original article it was clear that the headline was twisting what they themselves quoted him as saying in the article.

Put simply, the Scotsman wrote a misleading headline, quoted Hoy accurately, but not fully, and then put a spin on what he said to match the headline.

It is clear from that article that Hoy's comments about a Scotland team were made in the context of lack of facilities in Scotland rather than as any wish to retain the UK.
67

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 14:59:21
63 JG, Fife

"And I think it would be great if we could have a better set-up in Scotland with all of the opportunities such a situation would give our youngsters, but in the real world we just can't afford it."

You are correct in the "real world" which is
currently the Union we can't afford it when
our funds are diverted to other priorities particularly
the South East. You have highlighted one
of the major arguments for independence in
that will be in a position to invest our monies
as we see fit not on some British largesse.

. At least £8 billion on wars
see - tinyurl.com/5pe3lg
. A further £6 billion in nuclear research at
England's Adlermaston
see tinyurl.com/5c75ey
. £36.9 Billion on Defence
see - tinyurl.com/fcqfw
This includes (see - tinyurl.com/53mslt )
. Being 6th highest military spender in the world
. Being 4th highest arms exporter including to
countries with bad human rights records
e.g. China, Saudi Arabia, Columbia
. Being one of 5 official nuclear weapons States
in the World
. "investment" in chemical weapons at Porton Down,
which at one point were tested on a Scottish Island
(see tinyurl.com/3vkcll ) Incidentally the Scottish
Island was eventually decontaminated by an
English Company for £500,000 (see tinyurl.com/4fpkhr)
. £1.6 billion on running Embassies and the
BBC World Service
We have already seen how well the BBC is representing
Scotland
. £1.3 billion On MI5/MI6 centered in England
Particularly insulting since MI5 was (is ? ) used
to spy and infiltrate the SNP.
see - tinyurl.com/6qdltd
see - tinyurl.com/6lmogj
. £76 billion on a New Trident system.
see - tinyurl.com/3kub7t
. £72 billion on the Nuclear industry
see - tinyurl.com/5nk8ws
. £250 billion squandering the opportunity of North Sea Oil
see - tinyurl.com/4pywt9

Yes we can afford it - have confidence in your own country.

Saor Alba
68

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 15:02:54
Sounds like Chris and Nicola are now on the same page. "If and when" being the operative quote.
Too bad the lad took so much stick on these forums because of a torqued quote.
Someone better be on the ME's carpet this morning explaining himself.
If the Edinburgh velo is cr*p knock it down. But Hoy is clearly right, you can't have a competitive world class Olympics team without world class facilities.
In a severe weather country like Scotland that usually means a roof. And that means money.
A hero's welcome for sure. And as it turns out a true, blue Scot.
Well done son. Well done all 31.
69

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 15:04:44
#65

"So what you're saying is: some people on a message board have been attacking A N Other's political views?

In what way is that worthy of comment?"

Er...well considering you commented on it in posts #23, #28 and #44 I assume you think it worthy of comment to a certain extent....
70

JG,

Fife 27/08/2008 15:06:09
#67 Traquir
I agree with you that the London games will inevitably be grossly over budget (and I confess to hoping that they were going to go to Paris!!) as we seem to be totally inept at organisation of well, anything! Look at the Dome or Wembley or HOLYROOD - all a waste of public funds. And I do wonder if Glasgow will receive the same kind of help to provide for the Commonwealth Games!

#68 AJ
I know you personally haven't said such a thing but I've read comments from others on earlier threads and it's outrageous. As you well know, I'm not interested in things political but I do like sports (apart from football and cricket!) and would like to see our children encouraged to take part. I saw today that Scottish cycle shops are having a rush on - I wonder why that could be?
71

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 15:08:53
#54 Yeah1

A point of order, you quote Hoy as saying:

"However some of the posters were also vilifying Hoy for saying he was proud to be British - a direct quote from him"

That is not actually what he is quoted as saying and therefore is not a "direct quote" from him as you claim.

Here is what he actually said.

"I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete."

Can you spot the difference?
72

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 15:13:16
#71

"Put simply, the Scotsman wrote a misleading headline, quoted Hoy accurately, but not fully, and then put a spin on what he said to match the headline."

Yes I know thats what they did - however what I was trying to point out is that they did not 'lie', 'tell porkies' or 'deliberately falsify comments attributed to Chris Hoy' as posters like Callum10 have being saying - they just put a spin on his actual quotes.

Everyone uses quotes to illustrate or make their own points - Callum10 for instance is happy to use the quotes from Chris Hoy in today's Daily Record but won't acknowledge the quotes from Chris Hoy in yesterday's Record that "Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."
73

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 15:14:52
#76

"However some of the posters were also vilifying Hoy for saying he was proud to be British - a direct quote from him"

That is not actually what he is quoted as saying and therefore is not a "direct quote" from him as you claim."

The quote I was refering to is the one where he said:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."
74

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 15:15:02
yeahperson @ 74:

"Er...well considering you commented on it in posts #23, #28 and #44 I assume you think it worthy of comment to a certain extent...."

All those posts are directly related to the attempted manipulation of the story by newspapers.

You are simply trying to discuss some people on a board and how 'they are all as bad as each other'.

Are you going to break into 'my old man's a dustman' in a second to further convince us all of your distrust of subtlety?
75

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 15:18:04
I think that I should probably leave at this point. Progressive discussion with someone who has an agenda and does not want to deviate from it is probably quite pointless.

Enjoy.
76

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 15:27:02
Congratulations to Chris Hoy Scotland is proud of you.

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
77

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 15:28:20
#78 If that is the case you were still mis-quoting him. Quoting someone is all about accuracy, not what you recall him saying.
78

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 15:28:56
#81

"Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic"

Could you provide a translation for the 98.9% of Scots who don't understand the above? Thanks.
79

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 15:31:53
#83 I am a non-Gaelic speaker. A simple google will do the rest for you unless you are too lazy to do it yourself!
80

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 15:32:33
#82

"If that is the case you were still mis-quoting him. Quoting someone is all about accuracy, not what you recall him saying."

Okay let me re-phrase then:

Some of the posters were also vilifying