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Published Date: 11 April 2008
By MARK McLAUGHLIN
A PRO-CHINA march is due to take place in the city tomorrow, after months of protests over the country's occupation of Tibet in the run-up to the Olympics.
Around 300 members of the Chinese community are expected to take part in the rally, marshalled by police.

Event organisers say the voices of ordinary Chinese people have been drowned out by worldwide protests by pro-Tibetan groups.

Pro-Tibet demonstrators tried to grab the Olympic torch when it came to London last week.

The rally – called Proud of Olympics, Proud of China, No Separation, No Distortion – is billed as a non-political show of support for the forthcoming Beijing Games.

Huang He of the Edinburgh Area Chinese Students and Scholars Association said: "We love peace, and we don't want politics mixed into sport."

Sheu Song of the ECSSA said: "We believe that the Olympics belong to the whole world, but some people want to hijack it for their own political ends."

The group has written to the rector of St John's Church in Princes Street calling for a "one-sided and disrespectful" mural to be removed. The mural, which evokes the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, with a Tibetan monk obstructing Chinese tanks, was targeted by vandals last week.

Human rights organisation Amnesty International and members of the Free Tibet campaign have both voiced their approval of the ECSSA's bid to exercise their rights to freedom of speech.

Amnesty's Scottish director John Watson said: "While I appreciate the protest is against the politicisation of the Games, it must be remembered that China boycotted the 1954 games in protest at Taiwan's participation for wholly political reasons."

Matt Whittichase of Free Tibet added: "I hope the group shows its principled opposition to the denial of these fundamental human rights to the people of China and Tibet by the Chinese government."

The marchers will set off from the Royal Mile at 11.15am, go down East Market Street then on to Waverley Bridge. They will continue down Princes Street, past St John's Church, up Lothian Road, on to King's Stables Road and into West Princes Street Garden.

Bus firms warned passengers there would be disruptions to services during the protest.


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  • Last Updated: 11 April 2008 11:15 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

reader,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:02:43
How silly is it to claim that a rally called 'Proud of Olympics, Proud of China, No Separation, No Distortion' is non-political? 'No separation' is very clearly a political statement, and one that many pro-Tibetan protesters take issue with.
2

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:07:03
Why is it that the Olympics are often used as a vehicle for protests?

All it is, is a sports event for christs sake. Most of the athletes couldn't care less about the rubbish that is surrounding the games this year. They have all spent years training for this event, let them compete in it in peace without people creating a political bandwagon to jump on.

If you don't like what is happening in China, go there and protest (and see what happens to you). Just leave the rest of us out of it.
3

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 12:13:08
Alternative. I dont agree. With the Olympics in China there was always going to be an outpouring of resentment regarding the human rights issues in that country. Just like there will be in 4 years time in London.
Not too many people want the Olympics boycotted, but if individualls choose to stay away then rthat is for their own conscience.
As for leaving the rest of us out of it, I dont think that is ever gonna happen, do you?
4

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 12:15:25
Eh no actually we do not need to go to foreign countries to protest about their human rights abuses...no one is asking you to join in mate...see...YOU do have a choice...

The Chinese have made the olympics a political event...they built a road to Everest...the last leg of the Olympic torch...where it will finish...how much more political can you get....read between the lines....
5

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 12:16:35
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/6306568/video/x2scm_persecution_news

This is what happens to Falun Gong in China....music's crap but the content is sickening.....
6

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:16:46
At least they have a right to protest in the UK; protest in Tibet and they could get 15 years in prison, be tortured and/or be murdered. St John's Church have made several political statements and although I am not a religious person I congratulate them for making their message relevant to today's world. I am afraid these Chinese people ignoring the facts are living in another world and need to stop believing everything (in fact, anything) the Chinese government tells them.
7

AliceRocks,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:27:22
"The group has written to the rector of St John's Church in Princes Street calling for a "one-sided and disrespectful" mural to be removed. The mural, which evokes the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, with a Tibetan monk obstructing Chinese tanks, was targeted by vandals last week." - If the group don't like the mural, then let them go back to China to work & study. How would they react if we went to China and defaced all their portraits of Chairman Mao - like replacing his photo with the Dalai Lama's - I don't think we'd get away with that!
8

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/04/2008 12:35:17
Horrible Cankers

Good morning, ma chere. Long time no hear from.

Having been to Beijing twice I have no desire to go there for these VERY flawed Olympics.

There is too much smog and other pollution there, the athletes will be dropping like flies, thousands of innocent Chinese peasants have lost their homes without compensation, the Chinese cough and spit in your face, urinate and defecate on the sidewalks, and the food is execrable unless you are at a state-sponsored banquet.

BOYCOTT THE SUMMER 2008 BEIJING OLYMPICS!!!!

"In Defeat Defiant, In Victory Venomous" (My motto)
9

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 12:36:08
A tibetan monk facing down a tank in Tiananman???
10

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 12:37:47
The church is insluting the people of China and spitting on human rights. No wonder people are upset.
11

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:40:23
Biker,

I suppose I should be thankful that these protestors haven't attached themselves to Formula 1.

I know they may be making a valid point here about human rights abuses etc but sport is sport and I just don't think it's fair to ruin an event that people have devoted their lives to by making them into political pawns.

What also gets me is that British people are quite prepared to protest about things happening in other countries which don't affect them, but when it comes to standing up for their rights HERE, they just don't want to know. Funny, that...
12

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 11/04/2008 12:47:32
The olympics is not just a sporting event,it has always been used for political uses.
13

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

11/04/2008 13:06:36
"The group has written to the rector of St John's Church in Princes Street calling for a "one-sided and disrespectful" mural to be removed."

Censors too eh? The geronto-despots in China must be very proud of them.

As for FuelHead's contention that "sport is sport", the Olympics are simply politics in a running vest.

If it were simply sport, the athletes would be competing as individuals instead of representing nation-states and the politicians wwould be sitting in the stands with the rest of the punters rather than on a podium.

The Chinese government wants to host the Olympics to gain world standing and the world wants to let them know that they won't take torture and the suppression of rights sitting down.
14

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 13:16:33
Tell me Mashimaro, is it the symbolism that gets to you or the fact that people dont believe you anymore?
Thank you Tim from Ottowa for confirming the facts about the disspossesed people who have lost their homes. Read that one and choke Mashers, the game is up.
15

Ron D,

Enybru 11/04/2008 13:20:57
I'm sick of hearing about Tibet. Couldn't care less about Tibet or the Olympics.
16

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 13:21:10
Alternative. Take your point mate but consider. The Torch extinquishing Ceremony is of great significance to the Regine in Beijing. It has been hampered and disrupted all along its route. Talk about loosing face!! Also given that many of the runners on Sunday were class B celebrities, how much lower can it get. Unfortunately there are Chinese posters who chose to disguise themselves and attempt to subvert the truth.
17

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 11/04/2008 13:34:52
Fantastic. British people complaining about China. Have China invaded anywhere recently without as much as a UN mandate as we have? How many dead in Iraq? How many million refugees? And no one in any govt is calling for Tibet to be anything other than part of China.
China have some way to go, for sure - but the idea of them hosting the Olympics 30 years ago was unthinkable. Constructive engagement and building contacts is surely the way forward, not this rubbish of trying to grab the olympic torch.
18

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 13:35:57
"...and the food is execrable unless you are at a state-sponsored banquet."

#8....you were probably served muck because of your lousy attitude. If you don't like how other cultures live then stay in Canada.
19

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/04/2008 13:45:03
18 Iain fae Elgin

In my career I have travelled to Thailand, China, Singapore, Egypt, South Africa, Europe, Russia,South America, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

The Chinese were THE worst and THE most filthy in their personal habits.

Where have you travelled to, Iain? Probably you have never left the British Isles except to go to France or the "high-class beaches" of Majorca and Minorca where you swilled beer with the other British tourists and complained about the Spanish food.

You do not strike me as a seasoned or knowledgeable traveller.

I DO NOT have a "lousy attitude" and just because you are a cranky curmudgeon does not give you licence to denigrate me.

I DO know how other cultures live - having visited many, many foreign countries extensively - and I would appreciate it if you would keep your ignorant and uninformed comments to yourself, you numptie.

"In Defeat Defiant, In Victory Venomous"
20

Salvatori,

11/04/2008 13:48:29
Well said that man #6.
21

Mark-Sydney,

Sydney 11/04/2008 13:48:55
We are not able to judge china over its Tibet untill we get sound knowledge about who is at the back of well organized 'Tibet protesters'. Let's read some US debate.
'San Francisco had been chosen as the only stop for the torch in North America because of its large Chinese population as it makes it way to Beijing for the opening of the summer Olympics.

In an anti-China, anti-communist rally held the night before the torch was to arrive, South African bishop Desmond Tutu called on world leaders to boycott the Beijing Olympics. Fewer than 1,000 people attended the U.N. Plaza rally, yet the corporate media provided enormous coverage. Inflated crowd numbers and carefully selected shots falsely magnified the event.

Members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation unfurled a banner that read "Say No to the U.S.-CIA Campaign Against China." and distributed a statement on the role of U.S. imperialism in the "Free Tibet" movement.

While encountering some expected hostility, PSL members where able to reach individuals who supported the Olympics and were open to discussion on Tibet. PSL members discussed the fact that Tibet has been part of China for centuries and, should Washington wrench Tibet from China, it would become a pro-imperialist colony with U.S. military bases within striking distance from the rest of China.

Actor Richard Gere and multimillionaire war profiteer Richard Blum spoke at the rally, glorifying the Dalai Lama as a "simple man of peace." The PSL literature countered this myth, explaining that the Dalai Lama has been on the CIA payroll since fleeing Tibet in 1959. Before then, he and his army maintained a feudal system that kept serfs in abject poverty. Education and health care were virtually non-existent for the vast majority of Tibetans who worked the land. Life expectancy was 35 years.,
How do you feel what is going on behind western people.

22

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11/04/2008 13:59:33
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 14:21:40
It is common knowledge that the CIA became involved in the Tibetan struggle...they trained and funded rebels to fight against the Chinese..a hopeless venture and the Americans knew it...the Dalai Lama has never denied it....

And yes the Tibetan system was crap....but do you seriously think that they will return to that?...read what the man has to say himself...perhaps it will clear some matters up for the quislings and dunderheids that insist on posting keech here...

And the Chinese system..better?....crushing its own citizens?

http://www.dalailama.com/news.220.htm
24

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 11/04/2008 14:22:08
Raoul Duke: half man, half vegetable.
25

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 14:24:19
19....Timothy Charles!...was wondering where you got to...been on your holly bags?....you've fair missed the mirth here....Chinese Communist Party infiltrators giving it 'I am just an innocent Chinese journalist' and 'I am just an innocent Canadian now living in glorious China'....there's a terrible whiff of Dragonhead about it all....
26

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 14:31:36
#19.....hmmm.....that's quite a lot to deduce from 20 odd words.

Must have struck quite nerve eh?
27

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 14:38:39
I wonder how enthusiastic those supporting the protesters will be come the 2012 Olympics, when their will be protests about the British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and wherever else we have been directed to help invade by the U.S.
28

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 14:49:46
Thats no a bad idea actually...
29

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/04/2008 15:05:16
Buenos Dias sports fans, as we continue our ongoing coverage of The 2008 Olympic Torch Dousing Competition. Today we will be bringing you live coverage of the 4th leg in beautiful Buenos Aires Argentina, birthplace of Che Guevara and the 2002 Latin American Debt Crisis.

It is a chilly autumn morning here, with showers expected in the afternoon. Perfect weather for Rugby and Olympic Torch Dousing.

We can happily report that the IOC has refused to give in to International Pressure or common sense and that the Flame of Shame will continue its tour of provocation. The torch arrived Thursday and was whisked from the Airport to a secret location some where in the Argentine capital.

Organizers in Argentina bravely boast of hopes of holding a warm South American-styled street fiesta. The protesters will have their work cut out for them as the kind of fiesta the authorities have in mind includes 1,300 federal police, 1,500 naval police and some 3,000 traffic police and volunteers.

30

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/04/2008 15:06:29
The now famous Peoples Armed Police Torch Attendants have been enjoying themselves immensely. In the morning they went to Plaza de Mayo to taunt the Mother of the Disappeared followed by a seminar at the Argentine Navy’s famous Escuela de Mechanico to learn the finer points of training and handling Rape Dogs.

The afternoon was given over to indulging in hedonistic pleasures in the Pampas riding Bareback with Argentina’s famed Gauchos; this was followed by a fireside supper of Barbequed Argentine Beef Tube Steaks. In the evening it was off to downtown Buenos Aires for Tango Dancing to the wee hours.

They had been looking forward to this leg of the relay very much. Their cold secret policeman’s hearts secretly desires the warm easy sexuality that Latin culture embraces. Many of them actually keep photos of Antonio Banderas or Julio Iglesias in their lockers back at headquarters in Beijing.
31

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/04/2008 15:07:09
The protesters have been organizing too. They are the mix of groups similar to the ones already seen in London, Paris and San Francisco.

We have Falun Gong practitioners objecting to their fellow members being imprisoned, tortured to recant and then executed by having their organs surgically removed.

We have sympathizers of the people in Darfur who are protesting China’s military and financial support to government bent of Genocide.

And we have people protesting the brutal treatment of ethnic minorities in xenophobic China such as the Tibetans and the Uighers.

There is also a sizable contingent of Average Argentines who remember the brutal treatment of their countries citizens under the military junta and have a strong belief in protecting the rights of the individual.
32

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/04/2008 15:08:13
The flame is to emerge Friday afternoon from its hiding place for a nearly 3-hour-long crossing of 8 1/2 miles of streets.

Among 80 invited torchbearers, soccer great Diego Maradona remains in doubt, whether that is because of rehab commitments or that the “Hand of God” won’t soil itself with the “Flame of Shame” is anyone’s guess.

Former Tennis Star and Fascist pin up girl Gabriela Sabatini confirmed she'll be the last runner.

Organizers said competitive rowing teams will also glide with the torch down a canal linked to
the muddy River Plate estuary.

Then comes a dash past the pink-painted presidential palace, skirting the famed Obelisk spire en route down the broad 9 de Julio Boulevard to a finish at an equestrian club.

The anticipation is palpable. The protest organizers have cryptically promised an Argentine “surprise”.


Whether this will be an upbeat Latin Fiesta or the second Battle of the River Plate is unknown at this point.
33

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11/04/2008 15:55:14
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34

fresian,

edinburgh 11/04/2008 16:05:01
No 27, You mean like the boycott of the Moscow event when the Russians invaded Afghanistan?
35

Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/04/2008 16:14:54
Young Mental Maoists to march in Embra the morra. It'll be a culture shock for them to find that they wont be facing tanks or having their skull cracked by batons.
36

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 16:34:19
#34 Yes it's funny how attitudes change. The Soviet Union invading Afghanistan was deemed grounds for boycotting the Moscow games by the US (though the UK sent a team)The Los Angeles games were then boycotted by the Soviet Union. No sign of the US or the UK boycotting this one though as there's too much money to be made from trade with China. No doubt when the London Olympics protests come along there will be the usual cries about keeping politics out of sport.
37

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 16:34:19
Mario, probably better to chuck one on Gildersome. That way you'd get Leeds and Bradford as well. Three for the price of one. Bargain!
38

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/04/2008 16:44:13
Iain from Elgin @ 26

To the contrary.

Comments from pesky and persisten flies like you are merely disregarded and flung in the rubbish heap where I dispose of the irrelevant and presumptuous "thoughts" of prigs and pedants such as yourself.

Get out! Get a life! Do not succumb to the slough of despond.

Nemo me impune lacessit.
39

Nurse,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 16:44:20
Do we honestly have the right to criticise China for the invasion of Tibet in the 50s?
We invaded a sovereign country Iraq, and look at the on going misery due to Us Uk involvement, millions dead, poverty terrorism on going and misery, China should boycot London, in fact thats why the KK govt is so sh**e scairred of upsetting China. I believe in freedom for Tibet, but if it means the same as what occurred in Iraq, is it worth it?
40

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 17:42:22
Tibet does not want freedom...it wants autonomy...to preserve the Tibetan ways and culture before China eradicates it...

Yes we have the right to criticise China, America and the UK....
41

Jock Scot,

East Lothian 11/04/2008 17:51:28

#8 Timmy

Good morning my old china, couldn't agree with you more on this one, absolutely dreadful place.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

42

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 18:11:59
timw1234...

Bl00dy he11 sir...you're a genuine mentalist!

Still, I'll give you this. You have such an astounding self belief in all you say that life must be quite satisfying.

Either that or you dribble a lot.

43

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 19:46:49
KampungHighlander. Once again my frien you capture the mood well. Great stuff.
Nurse. I dont dissagree that perhaps the Chinese should consider a boycott of the London Olympics. I know I will.
The Flame of Shame (great title) is becoming an albatross around the neck of China as they are loosing face daily. KampungHighlander sums it up well in his thread as does me old mate Cankers.
44

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 19:47:59
Ian fae Elgin. The only dribbling I can see here are your inane comments.
Tim well said mate.
45

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 20:49:23
42...Timothy Charles is a genuine mentalist and proud of it...he comes from a unique background of eccentricity which can be read in vivid detail in his many poetic and prosaic postings....this does not mean, however, that he does not have a point...merely that he hammers them home with as much ritchly descriptive text as possible...

FREE THE PANCHEN LAMA!!

BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS!!
46

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 20:52:30
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh..."beef tube steaks"...

D'ye think thats whit the athletes ower in Beijing are munchin oan...tae put a bit o' punch in their pecker eh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5371500.stm
47

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 23:03:48
Read "Organs harvested by force from living people"....this is like something from a modern day horror film..

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/13788/Concentration_Camp_for_Organ_Harvest
48

I C Weiner,

12/04/2008 01:04:57
A toast from Father Ted: "The Chinese, a great bunch o lads."
49

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 12/04/2008 01:49:43
#48 If these students are so damn proud of their country, then why are they living and learning here?

Oh dear. No Scots studying abroad then!
50

ten pound tourist,

Australia 12/04/2008 01:57:27
Students will be Students, their job before graduating is to protest about anything and everything. Once they work and live in the real world they are never heard of again.
51

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 02:10:57
I think that the fact the people who designed this poster have taken a momentous image in China's history and distorted it by placing a Tibetan monk in the place of a Chinese hero, thereby negating all that the rebel stood for, all his courage and endurance and bravery. This is a blatantly racist attack. How would jews react if Chinese replaced war images to make Chinese people appear victims of the holocaust.
Congratulations dogs, you have sunk to new lows.
52

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/04/2008 03:33:16
While protest leaders had promised ''entertaining surprises'' along the eight-mile torch route, the heavily guarded event encountered few disturbances, other than three water balloons lobbed at the torch as it passed the city's central cathedral.

An absolutly pathetic attempt by Argentina, three water balloons all of target.

One can see why they lost the Malvinas.

The Judges had an easy time scoring this one. Argentina 0 points. The standings remain the same, Paris in first, San Francisco in Second and London hanging on to third with slim hopes for the Bronze medal.

Please join us again when we bring the next leg of The Olympic Torch Dousing Competition from Dar Es Salam Tanzania.
53

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 05:23:03
#52, Mashimaro,
What lies and deceptions will these Dalai Lama supporters think of next? And when will the narrow minded public in the west finally wake up? No wonder they can't win the war in Iraq, they're lacking sense and credibility whereever they choose to go. By going to war in Iraq in the first place, backs up my statement of them lacking sense and credibility. The so called leader, The Ever Lame One, is currently being wined and dined by the war criminals of the USA, but of course, "it has nothing to do with politics." I find it so difficult to fathom how such a large majority of the commentators here are so incredibly narrow minded and stupid, and of course, BRAINWASHED. Having been born and raised in the west myself, shows you that not all westerners fall for all that crap the media is spewing out, but unfortunately, the majority are sheep and blindly follow wherever their so called leaders take them. It's really sad, but even more pathetic. LONG LIVE CHINA AND LONG LIVE DRAGONHEAD.
54

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 05:35:35
When all is said and done, the Dalai Lama is an unemployed bum, who just knows the system better than the rest of the unemployed bums. He has nothing but time to find ways to hoodwink people, and he must have a huge number of advisors[advisers] telling him constantly what to say. all you western fools who fall for his garbage, well, you deserve to be ripped off by him. He is ripping you off by means of showing the people here in China how stupid and gullible the majority of the people in the west really are. I'm sure that whoever reads your western crap, wherever they live, also can't believe how stupid you are.

Guga ll, you definitely head that list of the stupid and gullible ones, you're in a class all by yourself.
55

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 06:33:10
Hi Postmark.

Hope you got your work troubles sorted out. I'm sure you've been seeing some of the hillarious remarks on these threads...did you see the one from Cankers when she described the "reincarnation" of the Dalai Lama?
56

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 06:33:50
Hi Postmark.

Hope you got your work troubles sorted out. I'm sure you've been seeing some of the hillarious remarks on these threads...did you see the one from Cankers when she described the "reincarnation" of the Dalai Lama?
57

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 06:37:38
Hi Postmark.

Hope you got your work troubles sorted out. I'm sure you've been seeing some of the hillarious remarks on these threads...did you see the one from Cankers when she described the "reincarnation" of the Dalai Lama?
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 06:55:26
#58 Mashimaro,
Yes , I did read her comments, and it is obvious that she is delusional, and has no mind to sort through all the garbage the west keeps feeding them, and to know fact from fiction. I by no means am a history expert, history was never my cup of tea, for the simple fact that there are too many different accounts of history, so I try to deal with the present and learn from my own mistakes, history does show us that we don't learn from other's mistakes.

Things at work are running smoothly thank you, we're firing on all eight out of eight cylinders again.

Guga ll seems to be sticking some strange things up his nose, that boy hasn't got a clue about anything.

And there's good old 'Sh!t for brains' Fitzpark, obviously fell off the turnip wagon and damaged his one and only brain cell.

But like I said before Mashimaro, we can and do have a lot of fun with them, so all's well.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/04/2008 09:37:37
What, in the name of God, is a "mentalist" or is it Iain trying to use big words and pass himself off as educated and well-read - NOT!!!!
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James Donald,

Newbridge 12/04/2008 10:30:58
From the Daily Mail, some Red Chinese reactions to the latest protests in France:

"Some Chinese internet "bloggers" have called for boycotts of French goods.

One website even showed pictures of the protester who grappled with Jin's torch alongside the comment: "Remember him ... He'll die a terrible death."

Below his picture a stream of similar posts from visitors to the website includes the statement: "This is not a person."

Chinese internet comments also attack western coverage of unrest in Tibet as biased towards pro-independence groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=558940&in_page_id=1811

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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 11:16:12
#61 James Donald,
Your Quote,

"Chinese internet comments also attack western coverage of unrest in Tibet as biased towards pro-independence groups."

You really expect us to stand idly by when you bunch of maggots are spreading nothing but lies about us? Of course we are going to stand up for ourselves and our country.
You talk big sitting in front of your computer, but you are, in fact, talking stupid. But then again, you are the one and same James Donald who manages to dip into the negative when having your IQ measured. Sure you're not an identical twin with Guga ll?
62

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 11:33:34
#60

"Biased"

Okay that was another "milk out of the nose" incident. BIASED?

How about "outright lies"?
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 11:46:54
#50 To expose themselves to a different culture and prepare for future interaction with the west.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:01:27
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View GalleryTHE former Communist Party chief of China's financial capital, Shanghai, has been jailed for 18 years for his role in a massive bribery and corruption scandal involving the city's pension funds.
Chen Liangyu, who was also a member of China's powerful 24-seat Politburo, was the highest-level Chinese official to be dismissed in a decade.


The full article contains 61 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.Last Updated: 11 April 2008 9:24 PM

55 Skidmark...just who is ripping who off?...mmmh sweetiepie?...

Crunchy 'nuts' for breakfast?

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/13788/Concentration_Camp_for_Organ_Harvest
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:02:27
Four legs good...two legs better....

FREE THE PANCHEN LAMA!!
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Biker,

Ayr 12/04/2008 13:31:46
Well well well. Postcrap has returned from re-programming with anewed vigour. Tell me Posty. Did they readjust the geography node to bring you up to speed with the Great Wall?
tell me Mashimaro, what became of the man who stood in front of the tanks, bet he got more than 18 years as your politbureou chief did.
You see it isnt about comunism, because comunism doesnt belong in China. Its about a bunch of racist thugs using the militery to stamp on anyone who dissagrees with them.
As a previous posted stated, I bet the students will be surprised when they are not greeted with tanks and guns. Not like home eh?
I think James Donald's post says rather a lot, and not good about China.
You are a couple of pr@ts.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 13:37:27
#65 Horrible Cankers,
Not once have either Dragonhead, Mashimaro nor I claimed that there's no corruption in China, we have defended our country of the false accusations made by you and your collective idiots about the Tibet issue. You are a sore loser, so now you throw in a story that has absolutely nothing to do with Tibet and human rights violations. Corruption abounds all over the world, but again, it has nothing to do with Tibet. The Dalai Lama shooting off his big lying mouth however, has everything to do with the Tibet situation, and that is what I had commented on. Suddenly you have nothing to gloat on eh?, you wannabe cop. You'll have to try a lot harder to match wits with me, you're just a play thing to me. The Chinese and its allies walk all over you, because you're as stupid as the day is long.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 13:38:41
HC, everyone is ripping everyone off, it's what capitalism does to a developing nation.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 13:49:05
Biker... how do you explain your great "free press" lying to you. You haven't answered that. Your press wrote nonsense on the sayso of the pawns of the American imperialists. oops.
It's great how you just ignore your own country's shortcomings and thing you can then fling anything you can at China with the idea that "some of it will stick"
We know we have problems and they are ours to solve, not yours. You go back and read your lies and pretend your live in your free and democratic illusion, mate. I'm sure it makes you feel so good.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 13:51:01
#67, Biker,
You came back to play eh? well I'm really good at games, and so are my good friends Dragonhead and Mashimaro. I just can't believe as to how far your stupidity goes. You just keep coming back for more, showing that you indeed lack brains. You don't know the first thing about China, all you ever do is quote lying and distorted coverage by your media. The books you read and quote are also slanted and biased, that's why you read them. You know the three of us here on the ground in China have the upper hand when it comes to Chinese affairs, so you just keep resorting to more biased reports from your lying media. Come and live here before you open your big trap and show the world how stupid you are. You know squat about China, so just comment on your own neck of the woods, and leave us to our business. With dimwits like you, no wonder your government has its hands full.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/04/2008 13:55:37
There are people here who believe that they could govern China better than the Chinese.

They are of course kidding themselves.

Ther are people here who believed that they could govern Iraq better than Saddam Hussein.

It's time they admitted to themselves that they are sadly mistaken.

Criticism of China will not result in mitigating the behaviour of the US, UK and others by their actions in Iraq.

All this criticism of China is an attempt, probably initiated by the CIA, to divert the world's attention from the debacle that is Iraq.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 14:05:49
Let's see if your press prints this story any time soon ... I would wager not
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Yanglag, who and her husband helped Han nationality people to hide from the mobs attack during the March 14 riot, said the dearest wish of her childhood was to have enough to eat.

"I herded for my owner at the age of eight, and never imaged that I would go to school. I was liberated from the serfdom in 1959 and was provided free education, and became a civil servant."

Now Yanglag, the former director of the Jiangda county women's association in Changdu prefecture, bought a house in Lhasa after her retirement. She enjoys her retired life and would go out for walks in the neighborhood every day as an exercise.

"I feel so happy with my life now. We can not allow those to sabotage the ethnic unity and ruin our happy life. They will lift stones only to hit their own feet," said Yanglag.

****

Oh NO! NO FORCED ABORTIONS, NO STERILISATION... OH NO NO NO

She herded FOR HER OWNER... OWNER...???
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 14:06:28
#72
"All this criticism of China is an attempt, probably initiated by the CIA, to divert the world's attention from the debacle that is Iraq."

and worse.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 14:19:58
Let's see if your press will print pictures of THESE elections hmmm. I would wager not...

*****
"The tally clerks of Linggui Village call out the names voted in the campaign of village autonomy supervisor election in Fuqiao township in Suining city of southwest China’s Sichuan Province, April 11, 2008. Twelve supervisors have been hired since June 2007 to supervise the village autonomy in democratic policy-making, daily affairs management, the morale of the cadres and etc. in Fuqiao. New supervisors of 2008 were elected out by villagers in stead of administrative appointment. "
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AliceRocks,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 15:53:41
#67 Biker - I reckon there is no point arguing with them it is only puppets speaking on behalf of the Chinese Government as their internet access is monitored very closely.

By the way, the mural on the church (tank and Buddhist Monk) at the west end of Princes Street has been painted over completely now! I wonder who was responsible for that!
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 15:59:34
#76 Probably someone who knows what an slap in the face it is for human rights and the memory of the brave young man who did stare down the tanks on Tiananmen.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 16:56:01
#76, AliceRocks,
Judging by your comment, the Rocks in your name must refer to the contents in your head. When you got something nice to say about China, I will say something nice about you, in the meantime, don't shake your head, it's too bloody dangerous.
You sound like the real China expert, Your quote to Brainless Biker,

"I reckon there is no point arguing with them it is only puppets speaking on behalf of the Chinese Government as their internet access is monitored very closely."
Where do all you western losers get your information from? and why do you believe it and spread it like gospel?
You can see why it is so easy for us to mess with your heads, you've lost the ablilty to think for yourselves. You're just like cattle and sheep, no sense of self direction, just blindly follow each other around. Pathetic losers, the works of you.
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JT,

12/04/2008 17:22:01
I was in town today just as it got started. They are lucky we have freedom of speech that has allowed the priviledge of this march. It was pretty scary to be honest there were confrontations between people on the pavements and protestors so much for peaceful. From what I heard it was just the usual political spin on how there isnt a human rights problem in China, if there isnt why are people protesting over the Tibet problem and why is is Dali Lama in exhile??
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 17:24:06
Postmark - the sheep will be farmed...

Actually, Biker alerted me to something of which I have been completely oblivious - Tibet's mineral wealth. (You'll have to forgive me, Lhasa is not my usual beat). Now we all know why America really went into Iraq, and unfortunately Tibet also has large oil reserves.
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out once you look at some key facts:
1 The US sponsored uprising in Myanmar attempts to install the US-sponsored government there and put pressure on China.
2 The ring of nato countries around Russia to restrict its oil pipelines flowing to Europe and the resultant gowsi with the Ukraine.
3 Missiles on Russia's doorstep "to protect from missiles from Iran"
4 The Dalai lama's visit to the US.
5 The US awarding the feudal lord and former keeper of slaves a medal
6 The Dalai's visit to Germany
7 The Dalai's longer visit to the US (he's a busy little monk, neh?)
8 The optimal timing to ignite violence in Lhasa - just before the torch relay.
9 The utter lies in the western press - UK, Germany, the US - even printing pictures of Kathmandu and calling it Lhasa.
10 The two US Navy carrier groups off Taiwan
11 The disturbance in the greenback and the US recession - something happening just before 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq.
12 The debt owed to China which is held mostly in US government bonds - which means China only has to sell off some of that debt to bring the dollar to its knees.
13 The constant harping on about Darfur in a blatant attempt to get US and Nato troops into the area that provides a large amount of China's oil - and the demonisation of China for not taking the bait.

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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 17:26:06
#79 It's about the oil, JT.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 17:47:25
#80 Mashimaro,
I don't know about presently, but when I came to China in 2005, China imported only 6% of its oil, the rest came from local production and stock. China has huge oil and gas reserves, something the west has been jealously looking at for years. Problem is, we are too powerful and the USA knows that it will get its butt kicked trying to come in here. This is why they have tried to do it without their military might, and have been trying to do it by stirring the pot in a place like Tibet, who for some reason has had the west's sympathy for all these years. Why do you think that I have been calling the Dalai Lama such a liar? He is such a pathetic piece of crap, and has for some reason been fooling the west all of this time. The USA has looked for world dominance for so long, and Tibet would secure that they would be one step closer. Well it ain't gonna happen, for China is well aware of their little scheme. Like I said before, the Dalai Lama is a coward, but he ain't a fool. If he doesn't pan out for the CIA, they will make him disappear, just like they do with anybody that doesn't fit into their picture. And we are guilty of human rights abuses? What an effen joke!!!!!!
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/04/2008 17:59:11
I STILL do not know what a "mentalist" is. Can ANYBODY elucidate?
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 18:00:55
Postmark - we haven't got an oil shortage yet. But Sinopec has sure been buying up a lot of Africa, Sudan, Nigeria, round there. I don't think our need for oil is the point here, I think it's the US's need for oil, specially after they failed miserably to secure that light sweet crude in Iraq.

I fully suspect some sort of terrorist attack, or perhaps an attack on the Duh Lie Lama which will be righteously blamed on the Chinese.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 18:07:33
Postmark...this is some of the stuff I found which explains it all pretty well... I still have to verify the cross references...

"Washington has obviously decided on an ultra-high risk geopolitical game with Beijing's by fanning the flames of violence in Tibet just at this sensitive time in their relations and on the run-up to the Beijing Olympics. It's part of an escalating strategy of destabilization of China which has been initiated by the Bush Administration over the past months. It also includes the attempt to ignite an anti-China Saffron Revolution in the neighboring Myanmar region, bringing US-led NATO troops into Darfur where China's oil companies are developing potentially huge oil reserves. It includes counter moves across mineral-rich Africa. And it includes strenuous efforts to turn India into a major new US forward base on the Asian sub-continent to be deployed against China, though evidence to date suggests the Indian government is being very cautious not to upset Chinese relations.

The current Tibet operation apparently got the green light in October last year when George Bush agreed to meet the Dalai Lama for the first time publicly in Washington. The President of the United States is not unaware of the high stakes of such an insult to Beijing. Bush deepened the affront to America's largest trading partner, China, by agreeing to attend as the US Congress awarded the Dalai Lama the Congressional Gold Medal.

The immediate expressions of support for the crimson monks of Tibet from George Bush, Condi Rice, France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Angela Merkel most recently took on dimensions of the absurd. Ms Merkel announced she would boycott attending the August Beijing Summer Olympics as her protest at the Beijing treatment of the Tibetan monks. What her press secretary omitted is that she had not even planned to go in the first place.

She was followed by an announcement that Poland's Prime Minister, the pro-Washington Donald Tu
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 18:08:39
My apologies...that was not it at all...

Tibet's raw minerals treasure

Tibet is of strategic import to China not only for its geographical location astride the border with India, Washington's newest anti-China ally in Asia. Tibet is also a treasure of minerals and also oil. Tibet contains some of the world's largest uranium and borax deposits, one half of the world's lithium, the largest copper deposits in Asia, enormous iron deposits, and over 80,000 gold mines. Tibet's forests are the largest timber reserve at China's disposal; as of 1980, an estimated $54 billion worth of trees had been felled and taken by China. Tibet also contains some of the largest oil reserves in the region.

On the Tibet Autonomous Region's border along the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region is also a vast oil and mineral region in the Qaidam Basin, known as a "treasure basin." The Basin has 57 different types of mineral resources with proven reserves including petroleum, natural gas, coal, crude salt, potassium, magnesium, lead, zinc and gold. These mineral resources have a potential economic value of 15 trillion yuan or US$1.8 trillion. Proven reserves of potassium, lithium and crude salt in the basin are the biggest in China.

And situated as it is, on the "roof of the world," Tibet is perhaps the world's most valuable water source. Tibet is the source of seven of Asia's greatest rivers which provide water for 2 billion people." He who controls Tibet's water has a mighty powerful geopolitical lever over all Asia.

But the prime interest of Tibet for Washington today is its potential to act as a lever to destabilize and blackmail the Beijing Government.
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AliceRocks,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 18:09:13
#78 - "you've lost the ablilty to think for yourselves. You're just like cattle and sheep" - that's a joke coming from a nation who melted down all their cooking utensils and every bit of iron they could find - and then found out the metal was useless - meanwhile, people were starving & dying!
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 18:14:01
#84 Mashimaro,
For now we are sitting fairly pretty as far as oil goes, and of course, its the USA that has been trying to get its grubby little paws on it for a long time. The USA has had a chip on its shoulder concerning Communism for as long as I can remember, the whole west has actually. In the 50's it was Korea, then it shifted to Cuba, then of course, their 'black eye' war in Vietnam, and of course the 'cold' war. They were then lucky enough to have the real threat of terror from the muslim nations keeping their population scared for their lives, and now, with the Olympics just around the corner, they can once again keep them scared with how horrible the Communists are. Any three year old can see through their little games, but most of the collective west are once again scared SH!TLESS. It really is unbelieveable how so many can be so effen stupid.
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Biker,

Ayr 12/04/2008 18:41:41
mashimaro. Nice spin but unfortunately, no banana. The reason the US was looking closely at Tibet was for so called defence reasons. This is the reason you had the CIA sponsored uprising, which incidentally 2.5 million people lost their lives. very magnanamous of your regime. This was the only reason China took the reasoning that they should perhaps protect the area. Up until then, they had no interest at all. The area was also being looked at by the Russians at the same time who, like the US were puting finance into the area. So there you have it you bunch of thieves.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, Ch