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Olympic torch controversy: Dalai Lama supports China's right to host games



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Published Date: 10 April 2008
THE Dalai Lama insisted today he supports China's hosting of the Olympics in August, despite international condemnation of the country's handling of anti-government riots in his native Tibet.
The Dalai also told reporters during a flying visit to Tokyo on his way to Seattle that his forthcoming visit to the United States had nothing to do with politics.

"I support China hosting the most famous world games," the Dalai Lama said. "My vis
it to the United States is... essentially non-political."

The Buddhist spiritual leader arrived at Tokyo's main international airport and was quickly escorted to a nearby hotel, where he held a news conference before he was to travel to the United States to give a lecture.

Protests have been held in cities around the world in a show of sympathy for Tibet, where anti-government riots erupted last month.

Chinese authorities, concerned about unrest ahead of this summer's Olympic Games in Beijing, have tightly restricted access to Tibet and Tibetan areas of western China where protests also broke out.

The sometimes violent anti-government demonstrations were the largest among Tibetans in almost two decades.

The Dalai Lama, whom Beijing claims has fomented the unrest, has called for calm, but the protests have shown little sign of abating.

Japan's government has been relatively quiet about the violence in Tibet and, out of deference to Beijing, does not deal officially with the Dalai Lama.

Tokyo does, however, grant visas to the spiritual leader, who has visited Japan fairly frequently. Buddhism is one of Japan's main religions, along with the indigenous Shinto faith.

No meetings were planned between the Dalai Lama and government officials although Japanese media said the wife of former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would meet him. Neither Mr Abe's office nor the Dalai Lama's liaison office in Tokyo could confirm the reports.

More than a dozen Buddhist monks protested yesterday in front of visiting journalists at a monastery in western China to call for the return of the exiled Tibetan leader.

The monks, whose numbers grew to about two dozen during the 10-minute incident, shouted slogans in Tibetan in an outer courtyard as journalists entered a prayer hall at the Labrang monastery in western Gansu province bordering Tibet.

The incident followed a similar interruption during a closely scripted government media tour of Tibet's capital of Lhasa two weeks ago to view damage from anti-government riots that erupted there last month.

Other protests have been held in Paris, London and San Francisco along the route of the Olympic torch relay, prompting concerns that it could be shortened or possibly cancelled in some areas to avoid violence.

The Dalai Lama has been living in exile in India since 1959.



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10/04/2008 12:56:22
I guess the Troll Horrible Cankers is speachless.....
2

Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 13:28:13
Splittist liar. He is such a tranparent front for Washington and the American's desperation to smash China's markets so they don't have to pay what they owe to Asian countries.
3

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 13:50:58
Of course the Dalai Lama aka Dalai Lame One, is going to say publicly that he wants China to host the Olympics. As I've stated before, he is a coward of the worst kind, but he ain't a fool. The Olympics present him with all the spotlight he needs to stir the pot, from his safe distance in India.
As far as his USA trip not being political, this guy doesn't know when to shut up and quit his obvious lying.
Nice spiritual leader he is. Any religion, regardless of what name they practice under, is corrupt and run by liars, and in the case of the Catholics, who practice questionable sexual preferences. Religions are no more than a business front, and billions worldwide fall for that crap. People really need to start thinking for themselves, but it is highly unlikely that will ever happen to the majority. Take a good look at the suicide bombers the Muslim religion turns out, all hopelessly brainwashed and all because of some sick religion. Holy wars alright, and in the name of what?
4

Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 13:58:50
Hey Postmark dude, where have you been?
5

postmark54,

Chonqing, China 10/04/2008 14:13:24
#4, Mashimaro,
Just working very odd hours, deadlines to meet and trying to keep order of all kinds at my job. There's still this language barrier getting in the way many times, and as good as my colleagues are at English, somehow things seem to be misunderstood at times, really nobody's fault. I work with a great bunch of people, and we usually get things sorted out. I have been leaving the odd comment here and there the last day or so, but have been pressed for time, unfortunately, business first. I don't have the luxury of living in my parent's basement like the Galactic Cannibal, and he claims he doesn't work and has no intentions of ever working. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can live like that, it would drive me around the bend if I did not at least have some kind of work, even a work related hobby. Oh well, to each its own.

I hope that all is well with you, and that your job isn't burning you out.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 14:21:41
Mashimaro,
I've been commenting on the Gordon Brown story where he has done an about face and now claims he won't attend the opening ceremony of the Olympic games, he'll surely change his mind again and will ask if he'll be allowed to participate in the 'special' Olympics. How can they say no to him? He's a natural.
7

Media 1,

cape town 10/04/2008 14:30:23
People were slated for saying the same thing as the Dalai Lama. People were slated for demanding that sport be left to one side.
And now we realise thats the right way to think about it. Thank goodness for the Lama
8

Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 14:30:58
The Chinese should never have been awarded the games in the first place. they have consistantly and always refused to honour any of the agreements which made up part of the package.
The only part they have met is to build Stadia at the cost of peoples homes. They have NOT reduced human rights violations or indeed attempted in any way to resolve the internal issues.
It seems another coup is to introduce us to Mashimaro, Postmark and all the rest of the mouthpieces for their regime. I spoke with my sister in Australia and a friend in the US over the past couple of days, and low and behold their press is being infiltrated by Chinese posters tell all and sundry (and failing) the same tripe.
Tell the truth liars. Allow free access to journalists to investigate your claims. You posses no credibility worldwide.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 14:43:08
Biker,
It is quite obvious you have found your meds, but they are messing with your mind man. How can a few of us be called part of a coup?
You state your opinions, I imagine your personal opinions, and so do we.
It is not up to Mashimaro and I who gets to cover China's internal affairs, just like you have no say as to what your government decides.
We give you our perspective, and have been trying to tell you to for once think for yourself, don't be like your braindead buddy Guga ll, who still thinks that China has no internet, and if it does, it is limited to the elite. Well, fact is, we have more internet subscribers than your country has people, so that only proves that you believe what you want to believe, which isn't necessarily the truth.
We also defend our country, it is after all our home, so we have the right to defend it.
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 15:18:20
Hey Postmark

Yeah we have been worked quite hard. We haven't had any editions banned yet but apparently Beijing is unhappy with our coverage. We're pretty unhappy with theirs, so it makes us even.
Looks like I will be headed to Hong Kong to put things together down there.
I can't imagine any person, let alone a man, living under his parents home like a rat in a hole. Pretty sui if you ask me. I bet that's one dai wei pei no one ever wants to see. Do western people not know that if you love your son you need to make him leave home?
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 15:21:09
#Media 1

It worries me when the entire western world hangs on the word of a superstitious old man.

Hey I am looking at a holiday in your wonderful city. Can you tell me of a good hotel and some things I should not miss? I have maybe three or four days at most.
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Stefan,

NYC 10/04/2008 15:28:59
#3 Mashimaro. You're wrong about one thing. The US doesn't want to 'smash Chinese markets'. It wants to develop and nurture them so that our goods and services will continue to be bought. China is the worlds largest consumer market. Care to guess what companies like Proctor & Gamble, Pepsi, et al are interested in? It's not smashing their breadbasket.
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Stefan,

NYC 10/04/2008 15:38:13
#12. It worries me that you believe that the entire western world hands on the word of a superstitious old man. No one that I know gives a ___ about what the Dalai Lama says. What they do care about is Darfur and China's continued protection of the evil govt in Khartoum. But at the end of the day, it's govt.'s looking out for what they think is in their best interests, sans human morality.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 15:45:49
#11 Mashimaro,
As an older rule, sons left home at a young age, I was 14, but within the last few generations, more and more of them choose to stay home until a much later age, and some, like the Galactic Cannibal, will never leave home. I think that is a fault of society as a whole, because they have a totally different perspective on life than what we used to have. We used to teach our children to be responsible, but with the blatant abuse of the welfare system, many can now afford to stay at home and laze around and have become a huge burden on society. The tax payers in most cases are footing the bill, but with Galactic Cannibal, it sounds as though the parents aren't lacking anything financially, mentally is yet to be decided. The father sounds as if he has things together, but The Galactic Cannibal clearly is a mommy's boy, from what I can see that he wrote in his little article. Like I said before, to each its own.
Have a safe trip to Hong Kong and try not to burn the candle at both ends.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/04/2008 18:15:51
Governments are our representatives, they act on our behalf and we trust them to serve us responsibly and with integrity. But most dont, and that is they way we want it or it would'nt be like that!
China does not have a very good record when it comes to human rights, but then neither does Zimbabwe, Malawi, Rwanda, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Mozambique, Burundi, Djibuti, North Korea and some others. We cant all be responsible for the rest of the world, we cant always be expected to rally up support for a stop to what we see as evil. At some point, people in these places need to help themselves and force change, and governments in these areas need to grow up and begin acting in a respectful manner.
Europe and America could boycott China tomorrow, but that would be economically catastrophic so they wont.
China is hosting the games, end of story. And those who protested have done well to raise the awareness of what is happening in Tibet, and hopefully after the olympics China will make positive changes in terms of their position in Tibet. But we cannot have people creating chaos on the streets in the name of Freedom for Tibet. Such people need to be arrested for disturbing the peace and rightly so.
I say good luck China, may you stage the most awesome games yet!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 18:50:19
Dalai Lama supports China's right to host games
----------------------------------------

This dude Dalai Lama is turning into a wimp.

WE know that in general, athletes and sports are non- political and should be.

But U cannot say that about the World Cup football (soccer). The world's most watched spectator sport.

This dude Dalai Lama must be loosing his memory. And forgetting about the 000's of his fellow Tibetians murdered and hundreds of monistries destroyed by CHINA and the CCP/PLA

And CHINA still crushes any protesters in TIBET.

Dalai Lama is a wimp. U make me want to throw up dude.

Happy Haggis Day

GC
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 19:25:56
Postcrap. Read the post again Idiot. You seem to be under the deluded impression that I actually give a rats ass about your comments. Filled with invective and spits, without a work of actual sustainable fact. You have been seen and are a fraud.
Iteresting that Mashimaro continues along the same old worn out line. For a "so called" journalist you dont appear to take an investigative view.
Media 1 your points are well taken, but be warned. Getting any sembelance of truth out of these people is non exstant.
Demonstrating is part of our freedoms which we dont take lightly and the Olympics in China is as good a time to view our thoughts. Bet they cant do that in China. As for arresting people for demonstrating , did'nt that happen in China about 20 years ago. Oh and did'nt it happen to a lawyer the other day?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 20:18:20
The Dalai Lama is a pacifist...end of story...but his people have had enough...the story continues....

Is it not funny how the lickspittle lackeys have to bring their scorn of religion into this issue...it is after all dangerous...another way of thinking contrary to the Communist ideals and totally undermines all of the brainwashing that Chinese people endure...

As if Communism is not a religion...you still worship money and sacrifice lives for it...not just murderers, rapists and corrupt officials...it is the filthy lucre that changes hands when you carve the organs out of living human beings...before you kill them...and as I said, you do promote and reward confession...heaven on earth...

Their discrediting of Galactic Cannibal is their usual CCP tactics...this is how they attempt to ruin people and cast aspersions on their character...by ridiculing and exposing what they see as 'weak'....

tactics...ignore it...and please ignore the obviously fake...highly amusing posting back and forward between these two pseudo 'concerned citizens'....

BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS

FREE THE PANCHEN LAMA!!!
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Bachus,

10/04/2008 21:03:15
I realy don,t know why there is so much protestation over that wee torch,surely just one of these gas patio heaters cause more damage to the enviroment than 10,000 Olympic torches
20

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 22:22:01
15
postmark54,
Chongqing, China
-------------------------------------
U wrote:
"The father sounds as if he has things together, but The Galactic Cannibal clearly is a mommy's boy, from what I can see that he wrote in his little article."
--------------------------------------
Hey U communist supported , Leave my mother out of it.

She like my father started with Zero, and after college spent 15 years working 60 to 70 hour weeks in Microsoft Corp. Then cashed out.

There is absolutely wrong with that.

I admire my father's intelligence and my mother's also.
But if my father wishes to live in the past, of conditioned drudgery that's his business.

My mother is far more enlightened, and can understand, that I and many others like me, are not interested in the greed and one-up-man-ship of our capitalist society.

I don't normally get personally abusive ,

But I suggest that u Dude, TAKE a HIKE.
and wallow in Ur tyrannical communist society.

GC
21

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 22:25:34
321 contd: omission word ; nothing

There is absolutely nothing

GC
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Frank Brady,

San Francisco 10/04/2008 23:59:36
Now that the "Torch of Shame" has been walked through San Francisco like something in a Witness Protection Programme we now know what Mayor Newsom meant a few weeks ago when he said that people could protest, but only in "free speech zones." In fact, taking his marching orders from the Chinese government (even the police guarding the torch --3 layers of them armed--commented on this)and with the Chinese-American Police Chief (who had an obvious conflict of interest) kowtowing to their every demand he decided to make the planned route one very large "free speech zone," while he had the torch walked through empty streets a couple of miles away. Very noticeable were the large Chinese communist flags (used in some cases to hit the pro-Tibet protesters) waved by people who identified themselves as Chinese-Americans--but no American flags. What would happen to these people (bussed in in their hundreds from places far from San Francisco by the Chinese consulate)if tomorrow they attempted to exercise Wednesday's freedom of association and freedom of speech in China? Shades of what happened to those Beijing University students run over by tanks as they slept in their tents that night in 1989. The only amusing thing that came out of this fracas of smuggling the torch into the city in the dead of night and smuggling it out again, absent a going-away ceremony, was that one of the runners supposed to run in this Chinese propaganda event--Willie Brown, the former mayor who denied there were any homeless living in Golden Gate Park--didn't get with the programme and was left in his fashion shorts sadly far from the Walk. Another public relations disaster for the Chinese government of thugs.
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Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 00:45:11
#13 "Mashimaro. You're wrong about one thing. The US doesn't want to 'smash Chinese markets'. It wants to develop and nurture them so that our goods and services will continue to be bought. China is the worlds largest consumer market. Care to guess what companies like Proctor & Gamble, Pepsi, et al are interested in? It's not smashing their breadbasket."

I doubt that, Stefano. Not many westerners seem to know, or grasp the importance of this, that Tibet is China's tap. All historical and political rhetoric aside, there is no way China will ever let Tibet go because whoever controls Tibet, controls China. While I agree with you that the US wants China's market and would be loath to do anything that upsets that, the millions of people who live in drought or flood stricken areas are not really buying US goods.
With major rivers that supply China's water and generate about 30% of its power through hydroelectric dams (with more to come as the nation looks to cleaner fuel) the people running Tibet would have China by the curly shorts.
Further, if Tibet were to commit UDI (again), Taiwan would follow along with Xianjing, Hong Kong and Inner Mongolia. Taiwan does not want to be cut loose, by the way, it's desperately seeking to get closer to the mainland.
If China had to fall apart the repercussions would move right through Asia as the power vacuum would lead to civil wars in the country itself and have ramifications right up to India. Asia will once again be a weak continent with desperate people ready to do whatever the mighty US wants. It will, once again be on the world relief programmes sponsored mostly by the US, and each country would be vulnerable.
Tibet will take generations to recover.
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 00:57:25
#14 Stefano "No one that I know gives a ___ about what the Dalai Lama says. What they do care about is Darfur and China's continued protection of the evil govt in Khartoum. But at the end of the day, it's govt.'s looking out for what they think is in their best interests, sans human morality."

Okay, let's clear up some misconceptions here. China will deal with anyone. This has proven more effective than the west's moralistic superiority approach which has left countries destitute and their people starving. China believes that internal problems in a country are just that - internal. It does not hold back the dollars to try to enforce deluded ideals. It gets the job done. It builds hospitals and dams and railways and whatever is needed. Who benefits from this? The very people the west makes empty noise about.
The issues in Darfur are also, far more complex than most people seem to realise and what you percieve as a solution is not necessarily the solution. Take a look at your "solutions" in the world - Iraq, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan 1, Afghanistan II etc etc etc. You haven't always been right. Actually I can't remember when you were right but I'm sure you'll let me know.
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Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 01:01:13
#16 Media1 You forgot to mention US and UK "human rights"
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 01:07:43
#15 Wow, an unshelled butterfly. Never experienced any character formation. Will his mommy ever stop suckling him? It explains a whole lot.
What disturbs me more is the "leadership" that allowed him to reach this state. I cannot understand why any sane person would do this to his people. It is a hollowing out of the nation, turning them into spineless children unable to defend the nation against anything. That just makes it so much easier for the nation's enemies.
I also find it truly puzzling that the nation will allow its enemies to live among its people, not paying taxes, getting its people to pay for them to live there, allowing them to "demand" "rights" that are alien to that nation, allowing them to commit acts of murder and rape and terror against its people. It is beyond belief.
27

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 01:12:07
#17 what's wrong widdle boy? Has your bottle run dry? Need a diaper change? there there... mummy will be home soon.
28

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 01:17:00
#18 I have been very investigative, Biker. I have asked you time and again to back your claims with proof. You have failed to do this. Don't blame me if your story falls apart. Be a man and not a cat's paw.
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 01:25:01
Cankers: "As if Communism is not a religion...you still worship money and sacrifice lives for it...not just murderers, rapists and corrupt officials...it is the filthy lucre that changes hands when you carve the organs out of living human beings...before you kill them...and as I said, you do promote and reward confession...heaven on earth..."

Okay, there you go cankers...heading off into your fantasies again. You just have such a vivid imagination you should be a fiction writer.
30

Fitzpark,

Durham 11/04/2008 03:10:55
Thanks for the updates, but seriously Mashimiro, when are you going to free the Panchen Lama?
31

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 09:38:35
Clarry "BTW Seen more happy people in Asia than ever see in Britain and they are not so 'well off'."

I believe the happist people in the world are the Bushmen in Africa. Every day is a struggle for their survival. Brits are miserable whiners cos everything is provided for them and they don't get the high that comes from success. Everything for modern westerners is about instant gratification. It makes their society porous and weak and their people remain as infants.
32

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 09:52:36
#34 "Number 444 to the Beijing Olympics"

Who do you think it was that told these numpties about the organ harvesting tragedy? I have admitted that there are huge problems in China, ones that need working on before dealing with the stuff you all think is important. But obviouly Brits think child labour, vicous pollution that causes death and birth defects, dessertification, drought, floods, mine disasters, rampant blood heading that spreads HIV so far and so fast entire villages are dying, corrupt officials that don't care whether or not medicine is safe before they unleash it on the public, greedy people ignoring authorities and unleashing lethal diseases on the public (which you whine about when they reach you) and the comming rice crash which will see millions starving all over Asia - none of these things, according to these numpties - can hold a candle to a superstitious child abusing old slave master paid by the US to tear China apart.
Thank you for your wishes for China, and 4444 to you and your loved ones
33

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 09:55:26
#31 Thanks for the updates, but seriously Mashimiro, when are you going to free the Panchen Lama?
When you bring back Saddam Hussein and restore the status quo in the middle east.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 10:23:49
Clarry...I am actually embarrassed for you...you are a selective socialist whose pathetic ideals get in the way of you admitting the truth....you are the most dangerous type of socialist.....a fool......

You obviously have no idea of the significance of the Panchen Lama to the future culture, leadership and traditions of the Tibetan people....

Watch this video and then come back and regale us all with your ignorance and stupidity...

FREE THE PANCHEN LAMA!!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3r65h_organ-harvesting-of-live-falun-gong_news
35

Pmonkey7,

11/04/2008 10:24:36
24
Mashimaro,

'Taiwan does not want to be cut loose, by the way, it's desperately seeking to get closer to the mainland'

Taiwan does not need to be 'cut loose', it is loose. As close neighbors, they are keen to increase trade links and direct flights.
36

Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 10:30:10
#38 "
You obviously have no idea of the significance of the Panchen Lama to the future culture, leadership and traditions of the Tibetan people...."

Yeah you can't possibly bring back the elitist slave/serf child abusing system without him.
37

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 10:33:11
#39 "Taiwan does not need to be 'cut loose', it is loose. As close neighbors, they are keen to increase trade links and direct flights."

Whatever makes you happy, dude.
38

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 10:40:12
40....You mean like china where the rich are very rich and the poor are dirt poor..bonded labour...wee kiddies blown up making firewords in their schools....wee kiddies aborted or abandoned in the streets...dumped in orphanages..

Dont talk to me of 'child abuse' you apologist....


I do not agree with any form of exploitation...the world has moved on and the Dalai Lama has been living in the west...he still carries his traditions but even he admits that he has been 'enlightened'..

But thanks for confirming your CCP plot....which will not work...
39

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 11/04/2008 11:01:23
Galactic Cannibal,
Before you go on complaining about all that's wrong with China, you better clean up your own act. I don't know how old you are, but I'm sure that you're old enough to work. If you have a mental or physical disability, fine, then you have an excuse not to work. If, on the other hand, you're too lazy, I've lost all respect for you. In your case, your parents foot the bill, but in most cases, the welfare system, paid for by the tax payers, picks up the tab. Don't go belly aching about our problems over here, when the likes of you contribute to a whole bunch of problems over there. I was raised with the motto of 'if you don't work, you don't eat,' and therefore have always worked, and feel proud to contribute, rather then to scavenge. You can throw any insult at me that you want to, but I am at least holding down a job and contributing something good and useful, which you are obviously not. Once again, clean up your own act before you condemn a whole nation, a nation that you know nothing about. Having visited China doesn't suddenly make you an expert on our affairs, and it is none of your business anyways. Time to grow up BOY.
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Fitzpark,

Durham 11/04/2008 11:48:18
Postmark what's it got to do with the Dalai Lama supporting China's right to host the games, remind me again?

Mashimiro, you're upset that your chum Saddam Hussein is no longer in charge in Iraq and you admit that you kidnapped the Panchen Lama.


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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 11/04/2008 12:09:31
#44 Fitzpark,Durham,
Since you insist that it is your business, read post#21, and you'll get the drift. I had no idea that you are his mother, SORRY.
ALL HE DOES IS CUT UP CHINA, BUT HE'S GOT FAR TOO MANY PROBLEMS OF HIS OWN TO WORRY ABOUT OURS.
Next time I'll check with you before I communicate with the Galactic Cannibal, and you can decide if you will let him out to play. Once again, Sorry.
42

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 12:20:45
44...Nice one...
43

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 12:54:48
Mashimaro. Lets get a couple of things straight. The issue of organ harvesting was originaly mentioned by ME over 3 weeks ago. YOU let it drop about the live harvesting so lets not let you mouth run off with the truth eh? Filling these threads with your innanities along with postcrap does your case no good at all, especially when we all realise that you are ill informed or stupid. As I have said before, get out into the country and see how the people are faring. Go to Tibet and travel away from Llasa, inspect the camps full of Nomads. Tell us all how medicare is working for them. But best of all, try telling the thugs in charge how things are, but dont hold your breath too long. It might be your last.
Better still allow free uninhibited access to western press, let us see for ourselves.
Do you and Postcrap acyualy consider how stupid you are becoming? You both are a very poor caracature and to attempt personall insults as you do diminishes you both even further.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 11/04/2008 13:05:38
#46 Horrible Cankers,
It's nice to see you have so much input at the moment, what's the matter? Can't find the Panchen Lama?
Not likely you ever will, difficult to find a fictional character, especially one the size of a Smurf.
And keep believing the lying Dalai Lama while you're at it, he is just a coward and a liar, he is talking politics in the States right now as you're reading this, only a fool would believe otherwise. And only foolish governments invite him over. they are being had by that so called spiritual leader, but then again, he fits nicely into their picture to brainwash the west. It never seizes to amaze me how stupid and gullible the likes of you are. Tough to take anything seriously from you. You and Biker and Guga ll must have failed the same kindergarten, 10 years in a row.
45

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 14:29:41
48..Skidmark....you have yet to explain (as if you ever will) why the Chinese invented their own 'Panchen Lama' if he never existed in the first place...and while you are at it...please take note that I have been corrected by your Alter ego who states that it is 'PancheN Lama'....

He is not a fictional character he was a living 6 year old boy who was kidnapped..

..and you....are a liar.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 11/04/2008 14:44:44
#49 Horrible Cankers,
I had no idea that I have an alter ego, but it is so nice to have one. Panchen, PancheN, I DON'T CARE, STILL A FAIRY TALE CHARACTER. And where in these commentaries have I ever told a lie? The only ones guilty of lying are your governments and media in the west. My opinions are not lies, just opinions.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 14:57:45
Well hello girls and boys....tonight Horrible Cankers is going to tell you a story...

Once upon a time in a land, far far away, there lived a 6 year old boy called Gedhun. One morning some horrible Chinese police came and took him away, with his family, and hid him from the rest of the world. He was never to be seen again. Why did they do this?...well, this wee boy was very important to his people and some day, he would have been called upon to confirm the identity of his reincarnated leader...the Dalai Lama. The Chinese were afraid of this because it meant the continuing fight for autonomy for Tibet...now the Tibetans have a problem, when the Dalai Lama dies what will they do? because they cannot call upon the fraud that the chinese named 'Panchen Lama'....because he is a mere puppet of the Chinese Communist Party.....

He was never seen of or heard from again....6 years old...and the moral of this story children?

Monsters do exist..some fairy tales are real...and not everyone lives happily ever after....

...except if you are a wee skidmark that is....
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 16:35:39
#44"Mashimiro, you're upset that your chum Saddam Hussein is no longer in charge in Iraq and you admit that you kidnapped the Panchen Lama."

Yeah, the Panchen Lama's in my bathroom right now, come and get him. Get Cankers to break out the mother ship and beam you over.
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Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 16:49:06
#47 Biker:
"Mashimaro. Lets get a couple of things straight. The issue of organ harvesting was originaly mentioned by ME over 3 weeks ago. YOU let it drop about the live harvesting."

Absolutely. No arguments there. I was the one that alerted you the other on this board that some people were not dead when their organs were harvested. As I reiterate I offered to send you the article. You have never accepted my offer. If I were a "government plant (hope I'm a buddhist pine) why do you imagine in your wildest dreams that I would give you that sort of information? See, I can tell you when and where and who. None of your other links can do that.

"Go to Tibet and travel away from Llasa, inspect the camps full of Nomads. Tell us all how medicare is working for them. But best of all, try telling the thugs in charge how things are, but dont hold your breath too long. It might be your last."

"Tell me where the camps are, I'll go there or organise for our correspondent to go there."

"Better still allow free uninhibited access to western press, let us see for ourselves."

There is nothing I would like better. Unfortunately Beijing has declined and they're in charge. We have access to someone who will get us photos from Lhasa. Sadly they show policemen... behaving like policemen - standing around, guarding thing. No monks being beaten, no monasteries being torn down. So boring, in fact, we didn't bother to run them.

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Fitzpark,

Durham 11/04/2008 16:50:06
Gosh Yupki Tokki, you stay-up well past your bed-time. You'll be pleased that the Scottish people thank you sincerely for revealing yourself for the unspeakable little piece of sh*ite you really are. In 20 years we'll be standing on a bridge in Lhasa with our Tibetan chums watching you floating face down in the water beneath. Have a nice day.
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 16:58:59
#cntd

"Do you and Postcrap acyualy consider how stupid you are becoming? You both are a very poor caracature and to attempt personall insults as you do diminishes you both even further."

me stupid? All you have is your famed smoke n mirrors and no hard evidence. Where I have hard evidence I will agree with you. When I can't find hard evidence to back your dellusions, I'll disagree with you. Personal insults seem the daily currency on this board. Take a close look at your pals.
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11/04/2008 17:38:30
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Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 20:36:57
Mashimaro. All very well agreeing to something that will never happen, but as you are the journalist you should be able to find the camps. Jesus look up Google earth and explore for heavens sake. As for allowing forgien correspondants access, dont make me laugh, and its easy to agree to something that is never likely to happen. Very dissengenuous
As for my smoke and mirrors, I reger you to the Chinese paper you told myself and another to loke at . We specifically asked for an english translation, but no.
I have suggested to you to read Amnesty International and Witness pages, but I suppose these are banned. If you want I can have back issue sent to you. I also suggested the BBC, ITV, NBC, ABC (Australia) but again, no responce. In fact you are begining to repeat the same mantra over and over again.
Sadly I had hopes of entering some meaninfull dialoge with you but it is hopeless.
Along with the Idiot postmark you have developed into a caracature, not real.
Buddist Pine, more like a 4x2 plank.
clarry. why dont you learn to speak sense? It would be a start.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 20:59:46
58...Aye nae bother doll...go eat gou shi.....

Why suprised that Chinese people could have good English Clarry?.....
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 01:44:48
#59 Mashimaro. All very well agreeing to something that will never happen, but as you are the journalist you should be able to find the camps. Jesus look up Google earth and explore for heavens sake. As for allowing foriegn correspondents access, dont make me laugh, and its easy to agree to something that is never likely to happen.

I don't understand about "agreeing to something never likely to happen". I am saying we have people there who are taking pictures, now. We're not waiting for "international" access. Unfortunately there's not much to shoot. Which brings me to this point... why no pictures of the alleged crackdown by Chinese forces? and don't give me that nonsense about there being no pictures. The place was full of tourists when it supposedly happened, and monks and ordinary Tibetans have mobile phones - not a single image dude - not one.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 01:57:58
#59 "As for my smoke and mirrors, I reger you to the Chinese paper you told myself and another to loke at . We specifically asked for an english translation, but no."

You asked for a message board to discuss your views on things in China. I gave you one. You were amazed that it wasn't in English... WTF??? Now you want me to translate it for you? Delay no more, Biker...dunno about you guys, but I have a life.

"I have suggested to you to read Amnesty International and Witness pages, but I suppose these are banned. If you want I can have back issue sent to you. I also suggested the BBC, ITV, NBC, ABC (Australia) but again, no responce. In fact you are begining to repeat the same mantra over and over again."

AI pages are not banned. I have access to all news pages everywhere in the world. I don't take what they say as fact, unlike you. I need verifiable fact. That someone claims something does not make it a fact. See, that is what journalism is all about. Finding F...A...C...T. Not speculating and lying and making things hysterical and taking sources from people who cannot possibly know the things they claim to know - i.e. the size of the population of Tibet.
As for Google Earth... if there was any evidence on that someone would have found it by now. You would have found it by now and waved it in front of me. If I have some spare time I'll have a look but it seems it is just more lies by people who would demonise China and is not high on my priority list.

As for "entering meaningful discussion" I'm still waiting for something "meaningful" from you. I have answered all of your questions and your points with firm reason and evidence. That you want to cling to your fantasies shows a certain lack of maturity on your part. I have accepted the possibilty of some points you have raised but they just don't go far enough and you seem only willing to look at them from one point of view - e.g. the shooting of Tibetans crossing to Nepal. Show me that in a mainstream p
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Fitzpark,

Durham 12/04/2008 02:27:50
Wow Mashimiro, I just got in from the pub and you're still at it. Working Saturdays now. As I said earlier you've repeatedly shown yourself as an unspeakable little piece of sh*ite and held your government up to the ridicule of the world. I give it about five years before the decent people in China get rid of the lot of you. Have a nice day
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 05:49:25
#63 Fitzpark,Durham ,
Just because you have the ability to quote a few phrases out of your Latin phrase book, doesn't mean that you are intelligent, in fact, you were obviously left far behind when your classmates graduated and you were still struggling in grade one of primary school. You obviously know Jack Sh!t about anything to do with life as a whole, you just fumble around in the dark. I've seen you try to battle it out with Mashimaro, and you're a joke, he has been walking all over you, and I find you so much fun to play with. Thanks for all the laughs.
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Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 12:01:16
#63 "As I said earlier you've repeatedly shown yourself as an unspeakable little piece of sh*ite and held your government up to the ridicule of the world."

Yeah, it's what they pay me for at CCP headquarters. Are you really this stupid?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:15:39
65...Aye doll...mibbe SkiddyMess will translate "Gou shi" for you...you certainly talk a lot of it..
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

13/04/2008 12:57:18
So you are saying Clarty...that this child never existed?...then please explain (not that you will-but will evade an answer) why the Chinese replaced this boy with their own Panchen Lama....please try and give an intelligent...articulate and pondered response....
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Landman,

13/04/2008 17:44:44
71 Horrible is one of the freehootsman trolls.
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Landman,

13/04/2008 23:01:46
#74

Hi Clarry,

freehootman.com is a site for radical socialists ran by a couple trolls that monitor your IP. If you are a heterosexual or like freedom they share your personal information they gather with other websites. Horrible Cankers is a member, her and other members try to recruit people from the Scotsman to join but stay clear of it.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/04/2008 01:08:39
75...Dont that just stick in your paranoid gullet troglodyte?....
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Landman,

14/04/2008 10:44:42
75 Horrible Dyke

Have your drugs worn off yet?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/04/2008 13:48:47
....sound of violins....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/04/2008 23:25:00
Nope its merely Clarry screwin oan 'er 'ManWhang' she goat doon the Barras (secondhand of course) fir £2.50...watch oot boays an girls cos Gingie Gums is comin tae git ye!....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 10:37:11
I'l leave it up to your very vivid imagination Clarry.
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Hemingway,

Ayr 15/04/2008 10:51:37
83 Horrible Dyke

Troll
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patrick mahoney,

Atlanta, Georgia USA 25/04/2008 19:44:58
Wow, a pretty balanced article......and 80+ comments, most by a couple folks(postmark54 and mashimaro ;-)

It like this everywhere on the WEb......and that warrants an article in itself.....the seditious "collateral misinformation" (urban dictionary new word :-) propagated by paid Chinese Propagandists.

Its particularly bad on YouTube....see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS-a3RAoJuo

PLEASE, SCOTSMAN.COM, do an article on how twisted it is that ANY semi-positive reference to the Dalai Lama is degraded. It ALMOST works, except the man himself totally belies it all....just by being himself.

I just attended my fourth lecture series by HHDL (this one in Ann Arbor, at Univ of Michigan) and the man is THE most respectable and HONORABLE leader we have on the planet.....yet, still they persist in their propaganda campaign....

The Chinese protested his lectures, and especially his "Earth Day" special lecture....so in effect, they protested "Earth Day"....which is funny in itself, eh? And, very telling....

All they chanted was: "we want nice Olympics. Don't politicize Olympics"

Now isn't that a hoot? The Chinese govt wants to use the Olympics like Hitler did, and they say the Dalai Lama is introducing politics into it? Duh!

Time to wake up folks, and see who is the real problem here.....

The Olympics are supposed to be free sharing (in sport) of all nations....in support of a world of cooperation. Yet, China wants it: "their way, or the highway".....

Am I the only one who sees the inconsistency here? I think not, but $$$$ blinds many. Time to get over the 'gains' of cheap imports, and support life on this planet.....not trying to kill the very man who represents that more than anyone or anything else.

:-)



 

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