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Hearts 0 Hibernian 0: Little ventured and nothing gained in derby stalemate

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Published Date: 05 January 2009
SINCE neither of the Edinburgh clubs would pretend to be the finished article – there's a bluntness about Hearts' work in front of goal which only the arrival of a sharper arrow in attack will rectify, while the lack of an experienced playmaker in midfield continues to hinder Hibernian – perhaps it was inevitable the capital derby should produce flashes of excitement rather than passages of sustained quality.
If both Edinburgh clubs departed Tynecastle knowing there was scope for improvement when the sides meet again on Sunday in a Homecoming Scottish Cup tie at Easter Road, they would also be consoled by the omission of defensive howlers in a fixture where errors can be just as crucial as sparks of creativity in settling the outcome. It was a contest where both sides defended well enough to snuff out the ambitions of their opponents.

Consequently, there was precious little to choose between the sides, although Hearts pressed the game more in the final third and struck more shots on and off target. While he played well enough with his back to goal and used his strength to hold the ball up – important assets for any lone target man – Christian Nade did nothing to enhance his reputation as a natural finisher. True, he twice struck woodwork, with a well placed shot and a glancing head flick, but when his big moment came, the Hearts centre-forward fluffed the opportunity.

Deividas Cesnauskis had executed a shrewd one-two from the touchline which enabled Robbie Neilson to sprint down the right and deliver a cross that was deflected to Nade at the back post. True, Chris Hogg as well as Yves Makalambay still had to be beaten, but the striker was only ten yards from goal.

In what would prove to be as clear-cut a chance as would come Hearts' way, Nade's body position was at the wrong angle when he launched his right boot at the ball and scooped the chance high and wide. It was a clumsy miss.

On a day when Hearts' best moments came from glimpses of the target rather than clear sightings – Gary Glen's thrilling run and shot which scraped the bar and Larry Kingston's driven low shot which Yves Makalambay finger-tipped round the post – it was, in the end, the lack of a forward blessed with what Csaba Laszlo calls "killer instinct" which ensured the spoils were shared.

No one scored more goals for Hearts than John Robertson, but even the club's most prodigious finisher might have found it difficult to be so prolific in the current outfit. The 4-5-1 system used by Laszlo to maximise the strengths of the players at his disposal requires specialist understanding in certain positions which can be awkward to duplicate when first choices are absent. While outstanding performances from Christophe Berra and Eggert Jonsson made light of those missing at the back, it was a different story elsewhere.

The loss of the injured Bruno Aguiar, who plays in the 'hole' behind the striker, left Michael Stewart looking neither fish nor fowl. When Nade came short, he didn't go beyond the striker or make penetrating runs into the box. The best thing that happened to Stewart, and Hearts, was the enforced positional switch which followed Jason Thomson's concussion. With Christos Karipidis, who made light of an ankle injury, retreating to centre-half and Jonsson switching to left-back, Stewart was able to fill his preferred role in central midfield. Unsurprisingly, he looked a much more composed player in this deeper position and Hearts were a better balanced side after Glen came on to support Nade.

This was no adverse reflection on Thomson, incidentally, a young defender previously deployed at right-back rather than left, who looked promising. Faced with the challenge of marking Jonatan Johansson on his debut for Hibs, the 21-year-old was more than equal to the task before sustaining a head knock in a clash with David Van Zanten. In fact, one of the positive features of this derby was how well the full-backs played on both sides. After a breathless start to the game in which Andrew Driver threatened to emerge as Hearts' matchwinner, Van Zanten found the turn of pace required to subdue the young winger, who was rarely seen to such good effect in the second-half.

Left-back would never be Ian Murray's preferred position, but he too brought sufficient passion and strength to his play to handcuff Kingston and counter-attack in his own right. This worked to such an extent the Ghanaian was replaced by Cesnauskis early in the second-half. By the same token, for Hearts, Robbie Nilsson and the versatile Jonsson, who switched to left back after starting the game at centre-half, all but nullified the fairly muted threat of Johansson and Alan O'Brien on the flanks.

After conceding four goals to Kilmarnock last weekend, the areas where Hibs might have been found wanting against Hearts – at centre-back and in goal – turned out to be assets. In the absence of the injured Rob Jones, Steven Thicot and Chris Hogg formed a steady partnership in the middle of the defence while Makalambay's handling was error free. The goalkeeper's concentration was much improved, he pulled off a couple of excellent saves and struck up a reassuring understanding with his centre-backs. If the signing of Grzegorz Szamotulski inspires the Belgian to play at this level for the rest of the season, then Mixu Paatelainen will be content.

There was also welcome protection for the back four from Souleymane Bamba, who added steel to the midfield and played a necessary part in breaking up the momentum of Hearts' approach play. The only negative for the visitors in this area was that too much creative responsibility was left on young Lewis Stevenson's shoulders. Fielding a four man midfield which featured two wingers and a defender, it was hardly surprising Hibs often played second fiddle in this area.

That said, the normally reliable Steven Fletcher neglected a couple of chances to win the game. He looked off balance when shooting wide in the first half and could have done better near the end than drive straight at Janos Balogh from the six-yard line. As for the opportunity which came Derek Riordan's way, it was snuffed out by a sliding interception from the tireless Jonsson.

As was to be expected from the home side, Hearts had slightly more possession and might feel hitting the woodwork three times was evidence of misfortune. Laszlo speculated the game could have finished 10-5 or 6-4 in Hearts' favour, but that was sheer fantasy. The reality is Hearts haven't scored any goals in their last three games and just eight in ten. Whoever leaves Tynecastle this month, only the arrival of a forward with an eye for goal will improve the side.


MAN OF THE MATCH: Eggert Jonsson (Hearts)

In a derby where the best players on both sides were defenders – Sol Bamba and Yves Makalambay were key men for Hibs – the young Icelandic player shaded the accolade on the strength of his versatility. He started at centre-back before switching to left back, and was outstanding in both positions.

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I can see for miles,

05/01/2009 00:12:49
Rangers right back on track.
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I can see for miles,

05/01/2009 00:22:36
#3

It was great to watch the "furious" WGS.

Bouncy, bouncy...
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 05/01/2009 00:32:03
The subject is Hearts v Hibs.

After all the rubbish we had on here last week from Hibs fans about Hearts' alleged thuggishness, we got Hearts 7 fouls Hibs 17 fouls
Hearts 1 booking Hibs 3 bookings

And the only thuggishness on display in a game played in the right spirit came from Ian Murray; for some reason Berra got booked for being assaulted by him (assistant ref's decision; ref had a great game for me).
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Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 05/01/2009 01:01:18
I'll try once more to return this thread back to the people (as opposed to 'peepil') that it is provided for...

Watched this game on Setanta and was happy enough wth the outcome. Hearts were marginally better than hibs but it was a scrappy display from both sides. Jonson was most defo MOTM aand the above article seems fair enough apart from one point...

Why do journalists and Hearts fans insist on saying they play a 4-5-1 formation. Hearts play 4-6. end of.

Nade is used, well i may add, as the traditional number 10 role which would support strikers. He is not played as an out and out striker. That is why Hearts score so very few goals not because no one can, but because no one is in the right place to. While this means it's very difficult to break down the jambo defence, it's unneccisary if you are happy to settle for a draw.

Hibs need better distrbution from midfield. that's all i saw really...

Any thoughts guys?
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 01:08:57
Just a thought.

Vidic thread is open for comments from "we" OF supporters.

We can hijack that and leave the Edinburgh support their thread to comment on.
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Wee Pal Joe,

05/01/2009 01:10:44
"Im sure Boyd will score into Celtic, its only a matter of time" (13)

He already has.

As for the Edinburgh game, I hold no brief for either side but Hearts were clearly the better team in general. Their problem was that their finishing was poor/unlucky.
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Neutral Observer,

05/01/2009 01:19:09
#17 Ex PS

Have to disagree with the journalist in that I thought Stevenson had an excellent game for about 75 minutes till he tired. It was his first game for weeks. The ineffective O'Brien and the 'not up to it yet' Johansson puts a heavy burden on the full backs who coped really well. I am not a fan of van Zanten but he seems to reserve his best form for playing against Driver. I would replace O'Brien for next Sunday's match and leave Stevenson in. He deserves that!
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Brisbane Bhoy,

05/01/2009 02:04:05
Dundee United is always going to be a tricky fixture, for any SPL side, home or away. Rangers haven't beaten them in how many games now?

Reading the media, you'd think drawing to United was some sort of disaster for Celtic. We're still 5 points clear and with Rangers unable to beat the top sides, especially away from home, they will surely drop more points. Celtic will have the SPL wrapped-up with games to spare.

Rangers will be lucky to finish second.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 02:32:43
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Being up 2-0 at home after an hour and ended up holding on for a draw is a poor day.

Out of the top 3 RFC have beaten Celtic away, and have 2 draws with United the same as the tic. RFC have beaten Hibs away and were robbed at Aberdeen.
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I can see for miles,

05/01/2009 02:49:49
Hartley , Caldwell and a few others don't have the legs for 90 minutes.
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Brisbane Bhoy,

05/01/2009 03:18:14
#26 I seem to recall Hartley running a tired Rangers side ragged for 90 minutes at Ibrox recently.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/01/2009 08:07:25
Pretty spot on analysis of the game from Mike Aitken, although the only "fantasy" about Shabba's "could have been 6-4 comment" was him saying Hibs could have hit four. They worried us on the break a couple of times but I counted two good chances - both missed by Fletcher. Hearts hit woodwork three times and Maka pulled off three decent saves from good efforts from Driver, Berra and Kingston plus Nade's howler of a miss.

The ref deserves a mention - that was a textbook example of how to let a game develop and flow rather than strangling it early by throwing yellow cards about and trying to exert your authority. Are you reading Ian Brines?
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busbyfh,

05/01/2009 08:31:06
Two questions.....

Why was murray of FFFHibs allowed to elbow Berra twice in the face at two seperate incidents within three minutes of each other ? (BOTH got booked FFS the second time - Berra must have stuck his jaw into b4stard murray's arm)

What does Davie Provan (a poor man's version of Gerry Macnee - and he was amateurish) mean in his weekly column that "Hearts have very few friends in Scottish football" ? Why does he not have the ba11s to come out and tell all Scottish football what some (Us) already know. He basically admits there is an agenda. ALL BECAUSE VLAD TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CORRUPTION.

















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FINLAYBAR,

05/01/2009 08:47:50
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Davie Provan is a west of scotland media idiot. Who cares what he has to say about hearts. No one in the media has anything good to say about us at any time. And we dont care!
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Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 05/01/2009 09:11:00
In terms of passing football there was only one team on the pitch. Hearts have improved massively under Csaba and Hibs are going backwards under Mixu. Most jambos were disappointed to drop 2 points but for me the difference between the two sides was encouraging. When we add a couple of strikers to our squad this month, the 5 point gap will soon increase. Many positives.

p.s. Ex Pat Stanton - If we're talking formations, surely your mixed up manager deserves a mention. It was 4-3-3 sometimes and 4-4-2 at other times but throughout it you sat deep and defended? The man is so far out of his depth it is laughable and when we work out how to convert chances we will be skelping you by 4 again.
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cabbage on tayside,

05/01/2009 09:47:24
For all of the above threads. Old Filth Fans Get to Fluke. Youre goldfish bowl gets smaller as each year passes. Fair play to the Jambos on the day. They had most of the game and looked the hungrier of the two teams. That said a draw on the day is no bad result for a team away from home. No boasts about next weekends cup game but I'd like to think that The Cabbage will be a different propostion to the team that was on show last week. GGTH !
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Jambo-ree,

05/01/2009 09:58:47
#35 Trouble is old son that we will be a different team too with two first choice back 4 players (Zali and Wallace) back and, hopefully Bruno who was the star midfielder in the SPL until he picked up a knock. You ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Only downside for us is losing Robbie for two yellows last season and possibly Karipidis but there again we've got excellent deputies in Eggy The Tackle and Thomson.

For the moment though picking up 3 points from the Fir Park Ice Rink is much more important to us.
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Jambo-ree,

05/01/2009 10:01:30
#35 We don't give a stuff about Rankers (or the other Weegie mingers). Naff off.
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pro tempore ,

05/01/2009 10:06:09
#35

Its now the infamous Rearrangerz.

There is not,never has been nor never will be a "Glasgow Rearrangerz".

Indeed, you insult your team by not recognising their history.
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BazJT,

05/01/2009 10:08:01
'Consequently, there was precious little to choose between the sides'

Apart from 10 more attempts at goal, bulk of the posession, three shots off the woodwork and a possible penalty. I'd hate to see a game which we dominated then !

Although I don't deny Hibs had chances Hearts were by far the better team on the day. I'm sure it will be a different proposition at ER next week though. Hopefully Bruno will be back as he was sorely missed, I'd like to see Glen keep his place too but can't see Csaba being that adventurous.

OF Fans - Why don't you go away and set up your own unmanaged forum where you can talk pi*h all day without subjecting the rest of us to it. Oh, the weegie banter, it's hilarious. NOT !
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05/01/2009 10:09:52
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05/01/2009 10:11:17
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pro tempore ,

05/01/2009 10:15:05
#25 Brian

I thought you were hijacking the Vidic thread.
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05/01/2009 10:27:28
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pro tempore ,

05/01/2009 10:29:51
Its true that a game lasts 90 minutes.

However, for the full first half yesterday,"WaltersWarriors" decidedly looked to be the team from the bottom of the SPL.
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Jamesy Cotter,

05/01/2009 10:36:02
#43 - (H)Oplus, it is more significant how much money ReaRangers will have after MIH have asset stripped their first team.

Captain Glaicket - being hoiked aboot (1.5m tops)
Pedro Mendettthh - being hoiked aboot (2m tops)
Buggerrer - being hoiked aboot (2m tops)

after that and a few others, you will need the likes of Christian Dailly and Stephen Smith to make a first 11.
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05/01/2009 10:45:35
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Who?,

05/01/2009 11:06:34
Its fair to say that christmas biggot fest 2008 (OF game) was of a really poor standard played by two teams who didn't have a clue. The fact those teams are suppose to be the best scotland can offer is a dire inditement for the spl.

The big derby on saturday was sleep inducing but that mainly came from hibs tactics of playing for a 0-0 draw. Hearts were more threatening with 1 up front compared to hibs 3. When hearts went to two up front they threatened to run riot. Also hearts are a work in progress this season so to be 4th of better in the league should be commended.

In every football league in the world away teams turn up to play for a 0-0 draw. Hibs perfected it with a display of negative thuggishness that will be studdied for years to come. The last time i saw a team play like that it was airdrie in the 90's.

Sunday is cup football so i am really hopeful hibs attempt to at least play football. I get the feeling hibs will be playing for a replay and penalties which will will be awful to watch.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/01/2009 11:23:52
#47 Hearts never played with two up in that game. Glen played in behind Nade when he came on. Hibs played a counter-attacking game - but badly. Maka constantly looked for long high balls to the flanks and they punted it up more than I remember Hearts doing most games a season or so ago. Their foul count was very high (twice as many) compared to Hearts which shows they were under pressure and they had nowhere ear as many attempts on goal. Wouldn't call the game "sleep-inducing" though. Maybe on TV but I was on the edge of my seat most of the game in the ground.

I think this focus on 4-5-1 ignores the fact that it very quickly turns into 4-3-3 when going forward. Driver and Kingston (when he could be bothered) went forward at every opportunity. Driver's value goes up with every game if he's going to be sold - easily the most dangerous winger in Scotland right now and more consistent and dangerous than the one who is supposed to be Scotland's best winger, Aiden McGeady. And Jonsson is potentially as valuable as Berra and Driver given his versatility. Glen continues to look a decent prospect. Looking forward to seeing more of the younger players after we shift some of the high-earners.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 05/01/2009 11:24:45
Hearts were the better of the two outfits on Saturday, but there were worrying points for us, apart from the goalscoring drought.
What on earth is wrong with Larry Kingston? Talk about swinging the lead!
Another cause for concern is when Mikey Stewart is asked to play wide righ..he doesn't!
When Glen came on and Mikey went to centre midfield, he looked a completely different player, so keep him there Laszlo.
Christophe Berra was absolutely outstanding again on Saturday, and how Setanta thought a Hibs player was man of the match is beyond me. If I was to be generous, the only player of theirs who could have come into contention for that "gong" was Makalamby, he had a super game.
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05/01/2009 11:25:51
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NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 05/01/2009 11:27:35
No.47
Playing with two wingers and 2 forwards cannot be seen as 'negative'. I must admit though that Mixu got it wrong again and hopefully will change it for next week. We'll hopefully play to our strengths and start scoring goals again. We had some good individual performances but didn't click as a team in that formation. Admittedly Hearts deserved more from the game but next week, i honestly believe, will be a different story.
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05/01/2009 11:36:49
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Jamesy Cotter,

05/01/2009 12:04:11
#54 - check your clubs finances and then report back.

Celtics salary expenditure in the last set of published accounts exceeded that of ReaRangers.

Celtic received no money from Glasgow Council for re-development of Celtic Park.

Money will be made available to assist with development towards the Commonwealth Games...as it will be for Ipox.

In advance the council should issue a caveat that no money into ReaRangers should be allowed to be funnelled back into Mintys debt ridden MIH company.

He needs to trade his own way out of that mess, which is what he is currently doing with the fire sale at Ipox.


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Helter Skelter,

05/01/2009 12:26:58
I don't buy strachan's insistence that his recent spat with mcgeady played no part in his decision to leave him out of the squad which , to my mind, can only mean that mcgeady has played his last game in the hoops.

The inclusion of mizuno on the bench is the give away...he is over 21, and whilst he made a superb debut at falkirk, he fared less well at ibrox...I wouldn't say he was poor at the dark star, in fact , in the first half I'd give him 6 out of 10.

But he faded out the game completely in the second half, and to my mind strachan couldn't have come to the conclusion that he was the better choice to face dundee utd based on his previous two performances.

If the hatchet had been genuinely buried, McGeady would have been on the bench on saturday, not mizuno.
The question I think most Celtic fans are asking themselves is even if he is on the way out, shouldn't we use him in the meantime until he goes at least as an impact player ?
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Jamesy Cotter,

05/01/2009 12:30:46
#57 - do you come with batteries? you may want to check if they need replaced.

Indeed ReaRangers have outspent Celtic over a long period of time. That is why ReaRangers have a greater debt....thats not very difficult to understand.

Your evidently not too bright, so I shall paint you a mental picture.

Imagine your neighbour (who earns the same money as you do) has a ferrari in the drive and wears the best of clothes. He may give the appearance of being richer than you, but when you look at the mess he is in with cred card bills, bank loans and overdrafts, you might want to contemplate your own financial prudence, whilst allowing yourself a wry smile at your neighbour when the chickens come home to roost.

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G,

dundy 05/01/2009 12:35:18
The OF fans are here because they have been banned from posting on their own games....so as an Arab I'm going to post here as well....

Paul Dixon for Scotland!!!!!!!!

And please note all you tic moaners that Samaras headed goal came from a non-foul on McDonald...

Big Lee Wilkie must have cut his chances of a move by his culpability at both tic goals ....
he never got near Samaras for his headed goal....
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BazJT,

05/01/2009 12:51:12
#53 Nobody cares. Go away !
#54 Nobody cares. Go away !
#55 Nobody cares. Go away !
#56 Nobody cares. Go away !
#57 Nobody cares. Go away !
#58 Nobody cares. Go away !
#59 Nobody cares. Go away !
#60 Nobody cares. Go away !

#61. I met up with a United fan in Sorrento, the only two Scottish guys watching the Mecedonia debacle.

He seemed pretty pleased with Levein and what he's done there despite a poor start a poor run of results. Had to admit I had my doubts but you've come good. Levein seems to be adopting a better style of football at United than he did with Hearts (Right guys, punt it to De Vries every time).
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante 05/01/2009 14:36:40
Watched the game on Hearts TV, must first congratulate the Ref on his first class performance, pity Brines didnt control a gamein the same manner. I beleave he yellow carded 7 players in the Falkirk V Killie game what a plonker.Kingston again showed he has NO heart in playing in the SPL sooner he is sold the better for Hearts. Had we had a goal scorer for the past few games we would be up there with Rangers no doubt about that. The chances that we throw away is shocking for professional players. I said Months ago Nade is no striker, he works hard but if he cannot put the ball in the net he should be on his way as well, one goal so far this season is no good to any team.
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

05/01/2009 15:39:18
#71 No - it's on a Lithuanian so it doesn't count!
#72 I'm afraid Ruid isn't the player he once was and has been played at left back for the last 2 seasons. He'd also only be good in 1 half for you at Tynie as he can't score at the Gorgie road end!
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

05/01/2009 16:03:35
#75 Because he's a left back now so he isn't the player he once was - an attacking left sidded midfielder/striker!
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the beast,

London 05/01/2009 16:19:28
I believe Rudi is now at Hertha Berlin on loan and they are 3rd in the league, but who will Rangers of load to buy him? That is the question.
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the beast,

London 05/01/2009 16:37:04
Then I stand corrected.
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Bemused and above it all,

05/01/2009 16:41:11
Had a wee read through the posts, typical of the sellick mindit to criticise Boyd's OF record, but just a wee point in terms of stats.
Boyd has scored in an OF game, so he has 1 goal in 5 OF encounters.
Compare to Larsson who did not score in his first 6.
Which record is better?
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the beast,

London 05/01/2009 16:41:55
He didn't play against Man U the other nite and I was pretty sure he'd gone on loan to Hertha but if not what the hay!!
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 16:46:49
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I thought I read somewhere that Boyd has only started against the tic 3 times. Can anyone verify this.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 16:51:10
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Sorry I meant for the Gers vs the tic
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 16:57:18
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Under the current financial restrictions, in my opinion we must get players out and clear some of the wage bill before others are brought in.

JCD gone
Gow almost gone
Hendami must go has not been used
Adam a waste of space
Burke see above
McCulloch must go, take any fee offered
Dailly well past it must go.
Beasley same as McCulloch
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Bemused and above it all,

05/01/2009 17:22:42
Boyd has played in 5 OF games, scored 1.
Larsson scored in his 7th, Hartson his 8th, sutton 6th.
So really Boyds Record is better than their legends, and this is our lean spell????!!!!
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williwaw,

05/01/2009 18:03:45
Walter does appear not to know whats happening with some of his stars.
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williwaw,

05/01/2009 18:08:54
Given that The Jester has been advised that he will succeed "Walter" by David Murray,why is it that its Snozzell Durante who sits beside him in the stand chatting away like a perrabudgies.

How can he be comminicating his managerial instructions with The Jester as he sits in the dugout.
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williwaw,

05/01/2009 18:38:05
So why is it that "Walter" is not aware of Joe Kinnears bid to buy Basket-Ball.

Does "Walter" really know whats going on at his club ?

Further,"Walter" is just off STV and he is still insisting that Alan Gow is his ONLY player to be enquired about.


But "Walter" look behind you.

Jean Claud Darcheville The Former Rearrangerz Rocket Man left 2 weeks ago after French club Valenciennes enquiries !!

Why is "Walter" not recognising that.

But worse,WHY are the reporters/inreviewwers refusing to put "Walter" right with what is happening with his squad.
Why wont they broach the subject.

Surely "Walter" and therefore Rearrangerz would benefit if their manager was aware of whats going on round about him.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 18:46:00
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Idee with a new name?
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 18:50:43
102 dv

Not comparing players or ability, but when it comes to SPL statistics on goals scored by individual players if Boyd continues to keep finding the net on a regular basis over the next couple of seasons, he could go down as the most prolific goal scorer the SPL has seen.
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9inro,

05/01/2009 18:57:20
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Yoh! Vinny are you talking tae yourself again?
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9inro,

05/01/2009 19:02:01
Anyone else noticed that the pro - Celtic mhedia in Scotland are pretending that Portsmouth and West Ham are interested in signing that headless chicken Brown for £9m .... got tae laugh ... neither club has a pot tae pee in and are selling off any assets that they can and we are supposed tae believe that Brown is so good and worth £9m but he will now snub the EPL for the Hoopy Loopy`s ... comedy genius fae the old bhoys at the Day Late Rebel!
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05/01/2009 19:03:05
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HL is the SPL's top goal scorer to date going on the statistic of matches played in the league to goals scored.

How else do you compare statistics?

How many goals did HL score against the so called wee teams? They all counted did they not.

As for my post at 104 its easy to read I did not compare players abilities, but goals scored by players in the SPL.
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You couldnae get rid of O`Broon at the Blochairn Car Boot Sale never mind the EPL ... I just watched him on Setanta and he is poor tae say the least and runs around clattering people but offers nothing more .... fantastic news that he is staying!
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05/01/2009 19:19:16
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First of all come down from you're high horse. I posted on the thread post 3 104 regarding Boyd and the goals he has scored, period. Why should I be dragged by you into a debate about a post by someone else.

As I said I did not compare Boyds ability with any former Celtic player named in the above thread, I dont think he is in the same company with them ability wise, but that is just my opinion, others are entitled to theirs also, a fact you seem to conveniently forget lately.

I noticed yesterday that you had nothing to say to the fellow tic supporter posting about the sectarian/bigotry rubbish that he is famous for.

As you keep saying..........kettle/black.
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05/01/2009 19:21:01
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If you believe that Hartley and Broon bossed Fergie and Mendes at Ibrox then you really aint grasping the game properly! I actually laughed out loud then .... that is comedy gold at it`s best ...
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05/01/2009 19:21:44
All league games count!!!
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05/01/2009 19:22:34
Vinny you are turning intae a real figure of fun for us Bears ... keep it up!
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9inro,

05/01/2009 19:25:21
Funny the Celts were booed off the park on Sat after another footballing lesson in the second half ... just imagine if they had played like that for the full 90 mins like they did at Ibrox ... what happened tae the self proclaimed GFITW?
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:27:13
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Not going to get into a meaningless debate with you.

FYI, when I have also stated the generic statement you made yesterday "I am against all bigotry" I get slagged for that.

Also did I not say to Ajax he should not have allowed himself to get involved with you're man Pax?

There is no one better at spouting bile and getting threads closed than Pax.

Sad isn't it.
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9inro,

05/01/2009 19:28:24
Humped 1-0 wae a goal against the run of play! More comedy genius fae the culturally challenged ... Bla Ha hahaha!!! You bhoys that come on here are obviously not great followers of the game in general and have other agendas me thinks ... you bhoys were humped on Sat and got a 2-2 draw ... make any sense silly bhoys?
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05/01/2009 19:29:49
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Celtic were booed off against DU on Sat ya plum ...
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:32:50
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You mean like you.

You constantly play the bigot/sectarian card, you live for it.

Get it in to you're thick skull, I dont give a care about any players, or any individual beliefs.

Its a football thread, leave all the other garbage of the threads. And I have said that to fellow bears in the past.
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05/01/2009 19:34:20
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If Ajax and all Gers fans were thiefs and low life ... we would still be way above these idiots on the morally challenged scale ... they are doing only what they do every day and trying without success tae appear superior ... it`s called transference ... look it up bhoys!
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:35:59
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Did you once pull up Pax for his posting?

Again kettle/back.


138 Pax

As for you, enough said.

How many times banned for you're posts??????
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9inro,

05/01/2009 19:37:16
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I see that you have jumped intae bed wae the biggest Bigot on this site Pax Verbiscum ... funny how you get on so well ... let those without sin and all that or are you just making it up as you go along? What is the off side rule by the way?
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9inro,

05/01/2009 19:40:15
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Vinny ... you are the bigot ... why not just say it like it is ... you are guilty by association anyway after chumming up the most despised bigot on here and I am only talking about the moderators ... Pax ... silly bhoy ...
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:41:01
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Actually if you read you're post 113, you my friend where the one who brought up the subject not me.

I only replied.

I was comparing SPL goal scores.
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05/01/2009 19:41:42
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Bla Hahahaha!!!! is this the Green White and comedy Gold hour or something?
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:44:00
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Pax thanks for calling me a good person, first time compliment from you.

I agree with dv, bigots on both side are the s*um of the earth.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:47:53
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Try reading you're post again, be a man and admit you made a mistake in you're response @ 113.

I've done it many times we are not all perfect.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:51:40
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No Pax both sides of the OF.

Is that enough clarity for you.

Any how I should follow the same advice I gave Ajax and leave this nonsense alone.

I must admit I dont have the experience or the knowledge of Pax when it comes to these types of discussions.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:55:55
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I give up.

Its not worth it.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 19:57:47
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There have been many errors on my part.
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05/01/2009 20:03:49



Pax 165


Pax we were talking in the context of the OF sides, there are other clubs throughout the UK that have their own problems. If you have something to add to the debate on football that would be great.

Told you before you are "Simply the Best" when it comes to sectarian/bigoted debate, I surrender.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:12:38
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I was waiting for the Lennon incident. The elephant strikes.

If my memory is correct I stated that I, like a lot of the punters on the threads did not know all of the details on the incident. Only what had been printed in the paper.

I also said if the men were found guilty of the assault the should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Abuse of any kind should not be tolerated. I have not followed the story to find out what the outcome was.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:17:24
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Grow up.

Does everything that is said offend you.

What is offensive about Simply the best.

Does a wee bit of banter not work anymore.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:22:04
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One "if" used in my response. I could not remember the exact conversation so I used the word "if"

I sure Pax will cut and paste a bit of that subject later on.

Am glad they were found guilty and jailed.

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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:25:32
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Believe what you like. I dont sing sectarian songs, I have never posted a bigoted comment on these threads.

I support a football team.

You can say what you want about "deflection" if it suits you.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:32:41
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Told you Pax you're better at this type of rubbish than I am.

If you were a decent person I would not object to you.

Why is you're aim to try to get threads closed down by continually bring up this type of debate?

It is very rare for you to come onto a thread and talk about football.

It surprises me that some of the Celtic supporters never say that to you.

Must go see you all later, maybe the football chat will be back on the thread.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:40:19
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Had to respond.

First of all I myself objected to RFC's signing policies up until 20 years ago, and I am glad the club is trying to move forward. Players dont give a care about the beliefs of a fellow pro that they are playing along side, as long as you get results and do you're job on the park, that is all that should matter.

There are elements within both sets of supporters who will never let go of past ideals, thats life, and you try to move on.

Must go after my rant, the kitchen is calling.
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:52:00
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Post 122 was in reply to post 113 in which you used the word "bigot" in you're post.

In post 122 I merely mentioned that I failed to see you say anything to Pax yesterday when he went onto his regular rubbish and a football thread that had been alright went the way of every thread he shows up on.

But hey why let facts get in you're way dv,
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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 20:55:49
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Yes Pax anyone with an opinion that is not the same as you're own,, is dangerous. lol

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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 21:02:07
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Yesterday who was the person who brought up religion/bigotry/sectarianism????

It was Pax not me.......a fact

Read post 113 from you,..... you mentioned "bigot" before anyone..........a fact

My post @122 responded to you're #113 I mentioned you're mate brought up the bile, sectarian/bigoted talk on yesterdays thread......a fact

I had thought you could form you're own opinion instead of riding you're mates coat tails....I suppose I was WRONG again.

Enjoy each other.
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05/01/2009 21:19:19
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Please try to be objective and read post 122. No where do I play the bigot sectarian card, the reply is in response to an earlier post from you, and my mention about sectarianism and bigotry was a reflection on the threads from yesterday, that had been infected by you're mate Pax.

I had thought you were a sensible man who would be able to comprehend post 122.

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Daillyman,

05/01/2009 21:22:37
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Banter is the form Simply the best was used in. If you want to find some other deeper meaning thats up to you.

Its funny when you're mate refers to RFC supporters as s*um and he has, thats okay.
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05/01/2009 21:33:32
"In that case im sure you wholeheartedly condem the rangers fans that assaulted Neil Lennon a few years ago at traffic lights. They were found guilty and prosecuted to the full extent of the law." (#186)

Two students, one from Aberdeen, only one of them found guilty of assault. You got any proof they were Rangers fans?
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05/01/2009 21:39:04
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You're a liar.
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