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Published Date: 11 July 2008
DANNY Shittu is poised to sign for Rangers after Watford opened talks with the Ibrox club over yesterday's increased £1.5million bid.
Vicarage Road chairman Graham Simpson, who claimed on Monday that Shittu would stay, appeared to give in yesterday afternoon after Rangers upped their earlier £1.2m offer. The clubs are in final negotiations over the £1.5m price, with centre-back Shittu, 27, expected to agree personal terms over the weekend.

The defender, who has impressed for Championship play-off semi-finalists Watford, will opt for Rangers ahead of a late offer from Turkey – understood to be from Fenerbahce or Galatasaray.

Shittu, whose main motivation for the move is to play Champions League football, is privately keen to test himself at a big club after dropping into the Championship with Watford.

He was a £1.6million buy from QPR two years ago and established himself as a mainstay of manager Aidy Boothroyd's defence at Vicarage Road.

The 6ft 3in Nigerian, a man mountain at 15st, believes his performances in the African Nations Cup proved he is able to compete at the highest level.

His ambition to leave Watford seemed destined to fail earlier this week when chairman Simpson insisted: "Danny is still with us and that's the way it is staying."

However, the lure of a £1.5m cash influx to fund the new season's promotion bid forced Simpson's hand – and Shittu is now set for his dream move north of the border.

Celtic were also keen, as were Sunderland, but Shittu had made it clear he preferred Rangers, a fact which is expected to usher through agreement on personal terms without further delay – once the clubs have ironed out minor differences over his £1.5m price.

Shittu had been due to report for pre-season training with Watford on Monday, but his workout is now set to be taking place in Glasgow.

Rangers, however, were dealt a blow yesterday when they learned that captain Barry Ferguson will be out of action for up to four months with an ankle injury, and there was more bad news from the training ground as it emerged Steven Smith will also miss the pre-season preparations in Holland and Germany, again with an ankle injury.

The 22-year-old suffered a minor knock and should be out for around a week as he bids to re-establish himself in the first team after pelvic and groin problems restricted him to two appearances in 18 months.

Meanwhile, summer signing Kyle Lafferty has spoken of his intention to become a first-team regular at Ibrox in his debut season.

The 20-year-old is one of three forwards brought to Ibrox this summer for a combined total of around £7million, alongside Kenny Miller and Andrius Velicka.

"I don't really want to play two or three games at a time then get dropped for a couple as well," he told Rangers News.

"Whenever I'm not in the team, I'll watch the other players in my position to see what they do. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up stuff from them."

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  • Last Updated: 10 July 2008 11:59 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rangers FC
 
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11/07/2008 00:10:18
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 00:12:13
This is great news. Lawwell has done another flanker. First Lafferty, now Shittu, what next.........??
3

paulmac,

surrey 11/07/2008 00:13:35
Stunned?.....Aye right...I've seen Shitti play....bwahahahahahahahah.....

4

Teary Ennui,

11/07/2008 00:13:37
A Celtic signing of some substance?
5

jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 00:18:05
#5

Miller as well.
6

Silence of the Yams,

11/07/2008 00:26:50
Welcome to Scotland's Shame, Shittu.
7

Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 00:40:41
This time last year he was being touted for a £4m move to a lot of lower level Premiership teams, and both Celtic and Rangers. We didn't think he was worth it then, and i don't think he would be worth it now. He is no better than Andy Webster, and far worse than Bobo Balde, the player he has often been compared to in the press up here. Big squad does not equal strong squad.
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KILBOWIE,

11/07/2008 00:43:42
Big, strong, athletic, ball-winner. Should be suited by the physical nature of the SPL. Could be a good signing & not over-priced at £1.5m. His distribution is not wonderful, but that is not why he is being signed.
I would think he will be more at home against Big Jan, than Skippy.
Interesting.
9

Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 00:46:53
Kilbowie, a 2 foot 5 stone dwarf could look at home against Hesselink at times. As much as i love the fact he scores so many big goals, you should not be buying players based on how you think they will do against the weakest link in your opponents team. The guy will struggle against anyone with a bit of pace and movement. There is a reason he hasn't made it to the top.
10

Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 00:49:43
#14

Balde was a far better player than Andrews, who in my opinion got a very good press because of his nice guy image. He got away with so many wreckless and mis timed challenges it was unreal. Balde has had his moments(The concussion he gave De Boer stands out) but he was always hung out to dry in the press. I'd still say that as limited as he is, he is probably the best defender in Scotland, with the exception of Cuellar(Who i think will struggle if Rangers play a more attacking game)
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KILBOWIE,

11/07/2008 00:57:43
Rossco, I am a Celtic man, but I try to be objective.
I think Danny Shittu could be a good signing.
I don't see Big Jan as a weak link.
Bad players don't get into the Dutch Euro Championship squad.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 00:58:49
Thepundit, i'm good friends with a QPR fan(went to Loftus Road a few times while Shittu was in the starting 11) and have seen Shittu on many an occasion, he is a decent defender but found his level in the championship. Lafferty i've seen twice, once when was sent of against Arsenal, once for N.I. playing against Spain. I haven't seen enough to comment on him, but think that kind of money on potential is a big risk.

Cuellar for the most part had a good season last year, but struggled in games that Rangers left any kind of space in behind. He is an excellent siege type defender and will block anything thrown at him, but when it gets in behind he struggles. Rangers style played to his strengths. If Rangers change i think he may struggle to adapt. If i'm wrong, i'll hold my hands up but i've still to be convinced.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:01:02
Kilbowie, Big Jan scores a lot of important goals, but he is not the greatest of players. I think we were maybe spoiled with Sutton, who was a similar player but 10 times better. I think he made the Holland squad as he was a massive variance on the other forwards they have.
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 01:07:17
Just where is Shittu going to fit in? Ugly Betty, Weirysome, Webfoot, Bigfoot? It's like up front....too many but none good enough.
15

Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:12:06
#22

Against Dundee Utd on more than one occasion in the cup final, the league games at Tannadice and at Ibrox(Although Weir and MCCurry took all the credit for that last one)

Against Zenit he was badly out of position for the goal.

Was caught out against Hibs in the first game against them, also at Tynecastle when they humped you.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, i just think he still has a lot to prove.

Your comment on Bobo, how many big teams was he outstanding against? He made plenty of mistakes but was also outstanding in countless CL and UEFA cup games, as well as a few Glasgow Derbies.

And Shittu may be decent in the Championship, but i still say he is no improvement in what Rangers have, and is below the standard that Celtic and Rangers should be looking at. He is a big strong player, but a limited one at that.
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 01:13:51
#24

He is totally p@sh at right back (ask Aiden), just as Gary Caldwell was for us.
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 11/07/2008 01:16:14
I'm struggling to work out WS's signing policy. He needs two central defenders in his team, so he can already pick from: Cuellar, Weir, Webster, Dailly, Papac and Broadfoot. Leaving aside arguments regarding quality - he would seem to have more than enough quantity. Why Shittu?

He needs two full/wing backs: he's got Whittaker and Smith, otherwise, Broadfoot, Dailly or Papac has to fill-in.

He has the injured Ferguson, Hemdani, Thomson and maybe Adam for his three central midfield positions, with Dailly as a fill-in.

Wide midfielders: Burke (injured), Beazley, or fill-ins Novo, Adam, McCulloch or Whittaker.

Strikers: Boyd, JCD, Cousin, Miller, Velaskis, Naismith (injured), Novo.

Utility/attacking midfielders Gow (still there) Fleck (has to be handled gently at his age).

It appears to me, he's bought more of what he already has, while not strengthening the areas where he seems to be lacking in numbers.

I don't get it.
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:17:04
thepundit - You said Shittu would sign for Rangers when it was in all the papers a few weeks ago. Nothing clever about that is there?

However, I was on here yesterday telling everyone it was now virtually a done deal. I think it was I who prompted the Scotsman story ;)

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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:17:31
#26

Hutton being sold and Broadfoot playing at right back won us the league. The £9m gamble they took came back to haunt them.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:24:11
#30

You are probably right with your last sentence, my thought is still that paying £1.5m and £15-£20k a week to a distinctly average player is a waste of money. You would have been as well paying extra for Berra who would at least have a sell on value should it not work out, or Russel Anderson who has proven himself in Scotland and would probably cost about half of what will be paid out in this deal.
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 01:26:55
#30

Shittu will never get 9/10 like Bobo did against Barca in this paper. Check it out.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:31:42
#27

I have to agree with most of what you have said, i can't see much sense in Smiths signings so far either. He hasn't strengthened the team, only added numbers to the squad with players who have far from proven their ability.
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:32:53
#32 BTO - I did not claim it to be a joke. I claimed later that my statement "Now THAT is a decent signing" was meant to be sarcastic.

You're not very clever are you BTO?
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:35:50
thepundit - why do you keep going on about Bobo Balde's lack of ability?

Here's a wee hint - Bobo Balde is not in Strachan's plans and hasn't been for over a year now. If he was actually playing in the team your point would be valid.
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 01:36:49
#36

You were doing well until you logged on, for the first time.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:37:59
#39

It frustrates the life out of me that he can't get near the team. I can't for the life of me understand how he doesn't get in the team in front of McManus. Both players are very similar in style, but Balde is far more imposing and inspires far more confidence for me.
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freewheelin franklin,

london 11/07/2008 01:42:00
smith seems to get a decent return from most of the players he buys, this guy has a good grounding in british football at a reasonable level.i have no doubt he will do well.what smith is doing at rangers seems similar to what o neill did at celtic, hes buying good players with british experience,no superstars.rangers are on the right track. meanwhile the shettleston harriers are waiting on a big name signing to appease the unwashed, i hear ronaldo wants away from manchester hahahah
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:43:17
thepundit - was that the exclusive that Rangers give out cards to season ticket holders and Celtic don't?

I was on a Celtic fanzine last night and a poster posted a link to the Kenny Millar column yesterday saying: "Have a look at what this guy thepundit is saying".

I won't embarrass you by posting all the responses of the other contributors other than "That Rask fellow really took the buffoon to the cleaners didn't he?"

I'll post the link if you really want me to.

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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 01:43:31
#45

That statement confirms your credentials,...............
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:49:39
#44 thepundit - So who do I have to convince? Gordon Strachan? I think he knows it already, wouldn't you say?

Rosscobhoy - Have to disagree. Balde is ok in the SPL when Celtic are 2 or 3 up, but in the big games and especially in Europe, he is a complete nightmare. McManus is much better because he can pass the ball forward effectively and doesn't try anything fancy. Balde couldn't pass water and his only real strength is his physique and his strength, but clever forwards can counter that without a problem.

Football is all about opinions though. We'll have to agree to differ on this one.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:50:13
#46

We're not looking for big name signings to appease us, we don't need them. A decent left back, and another decent centre forward will improve us by a long way.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:51:18
#51

I disagree with your opinion on McManus, as much as i want to, i just can't take to him!
33

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:56:04
#49 - Of course you didn't sonny. Of course you didn't. BTO, the Hearts poster, the Rangers fan named 'Bemused and above it all' plus about 20 guys on the Celtic fanzine all got it totally wrong.

You made a fomplete fool of yourself and tried to backtrack. Get over it.
34

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 01:58:08
#53 the pundit - you said:

"#39 read post 12

i know balde is sh1t, its not me you have to convince though is it?"

Now go back and read post 39. I think that's my name at the top.

Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself on here or is it just that you can't help yourself?

What a plonker.
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Raskolnikov,

The artist formerly known as Prince 11/07/2008 02:08:27
Still backtracking I see. Ok you asked for it:

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11 thepundit,10/07/2008 00:54:57
#10 we use cards at ibrox these days

the season book is sooooo last century. lol

who do you think we are? celtic? lol
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22 thepundit,10/07/2008 02:40:45
#21

celtic have season cards do they?

prove it

"season 08/09
If you were a season book holder and wish to renew your seat, please visit the Ticket Office or call....."

http://www.celticfc.net/tickets/seasonTicketInfo.aspx

see what is says? "season BOOK"
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31 thepundit,10/07/2008 03:19:35
#26 well done for finally admitting it was a book
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You've been busted. Now go away and play on the motorway.
36

Raskolnikov,

The artist formerly known as Prince 11/07/2008 02:10:04
No don't go away.

It's such fun rippin the p out of you.
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Raskolnikov,

The artist formerly known as Prince 11/07/2008 02:11:50
And finally, here's the comment from the Gers fan:
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42 Bemused and above it all,10/07/2008 06:09:51
36#
"read my post"

I suspect anyone who has read your posts will only ever do so once. You really do make the most childish comments. I only wish there was a transfer system for supporters.

And one piece of advice, try to avoid the use of "lol" a bit more.

It's soooo last century. lol
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 02:14:57
#61

The great thing is "we all know". Brilliant.
39

Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 02:16:40
GIE IT A REST WILL YE!!!!

I DONT CARE ABOUT CARDS/BOOKS CAN WE NOW MOVE ON????
40

Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 02:17:02
Phew! thats better..
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 02:30:36
The clone? WTF is he on about now?
42

jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 02:35:04
#51

GTF
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 02:38:45
Whoops sorry,

#57
#58
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 02:51:34
So 'Bemused and above it all' was cloning who exactly?

God it's like MI5 in here.
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11/07/2008 03:06:44
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 03:11:51
Are weall pals again yet?...Can I come in ?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 03:15:18
Reynolds,I think is a smart cookie,I believe his allegiances are in the east end of Glasgow so would probably opt for there given the chance.Wee Dingus could do us a favour there..
48

Daillyman,

11/07/2008 04:02:14
So it's another central defender for Ibrox. I am puzzled by the signing considering WS just tied up money for a season for Weir and Daily, I dont know how much they ar being paid a week but I would guess between 25-30k for the both of them,

If WS had his mind set on Shittu why resign the old veterans again, take that money and spend it on Bosman midfield player who can offer something different in the middle of the park.

We look at the moment a team overloaded with strikers and defenders, I hope there is more to come.
49

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 04:09:21
thepundit - so you believe that because a Gers poster who has a brain came on and criticised your senseless and pointless comments, he must therefore have been a clone, whatever that means?

I have heard some pig-headed, arrogant, burying-one's-head-in-the-sand, denials in my time, but that has got to be the craziest ever.

Trust me thepundit - you really do need help, and fast.
50

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 04:14:32
The telling thing is that you can come out with such weird sh!t and then call me thick for not understanding what you are on about.

Now THAT is what I call deluded.

You remind me of the redneck American who was telling the world through a press conference how he had been sabducted by aliens and was told the earth would be destroyed in 6 months time. When asked what language they spoke in, he said, "American you thicko."

I will say one thing for you thepundit - you really are entertaining and a great laugh. Unfortunately, we are all laughing AT you and not WITH you.
51

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 04:39:04
Samaras to sign for Celtic over the weekend.

That's now a done deal.
52

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 04:40:20
And for only 2m as well. Another blinding game played by Peter Lawwell.
53

Raskolnikov,

The artist formerly known as Prince 11/07/2008 05:39:43
I am more than happy to admit that when someone on an internet message board claims that another poster is a "clone", that I do not fully understand what he or she means, but then perhaps I live in the real world where I understand exactly what a clone is, but in cyberspace? I'll leave that to you and your sanitised and befuddled imagination.

Interesting that you have "proof" of this clone. Here I go again - what does that mean?

Finally, comment #92 above has got to be the most absurd, risible and comically-constructed piece of nonsense I have ever read on any message board. I take my hat off to you thepundit.

It is a veritable masterpiece. A tribute to bullshitters the world over. You are a genius.
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 05:52:21
thpundit.

Let me be perfectly clear about this.

You said "Bemused and above it all" was a clone.

I asked, "Who was he cloning?"

You said, "Himself of course" as if I had asked a silly question.

Now hear me out matey. I am truly intrigued.

If I were to clone myself, there would be two mes now would there not?

If I then spoke to you and you said, "I know it's not you, it's a clone" I could understand that. But if I then said to you, "Who am I a clone of?" and you said "Yourself of course" then you see my confusion?

If Bemused was not Bemused, but a clone of Bemused, then which one is Bemused?

Bemused? You will be.

I cannot wait for your answer to this one. I have my wife and her friend sitting here giggling inanely at this turn of events.

Please do not let us down matey.
55

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 11/07/2008 05:55:03
i'm glad you mentioned the clone cause some clown was posting (posing ) as me last night
at least three posts

pretty sure he/she is not bears fan
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 05:57:22
Here is comment 69 -----

69 thepundit,11/07/2008 02:37:17
#67 im on about the person who clones all rangers fans names and then fires insults at them to try and make them fall out

anyone who is anyone on here knows about it....

trust me, one of my fellow rangers supporting friends wouldnt say that about me and he certainly doesnt log on at 6 AM but the clone comes online at that time sometimes
----------------------------------------------------
You call that proof? You are crazier than I thought. Honestly, if you were making all this up with the intention of being funny and entertaining, it would be brilliant and I really would think very highly of you, but the saddest thing of all is, you really are being serious. You believe all this stuff. You are not TRYING to be funny.

My God, you are scary. I really am beginning to feel sorry for you now. I really mean that.

My wife and her friend are both shaking their heads in disbelief. Apparently you are "creepy beyond belief".
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:03:55
thepundit - you said that a clone comes on as a clone of another poster and starts throwing insults at the real poster. How does he do that? Does he come on as 'Bemused and above it all' and say "Hey Bemused and above it all, you have a small dick."

Is that how it works?
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:06:45
OK thepundit, if 'Bemused and above it all' is a clone, what would his name be if he was the real thing and not a clone?

Please help me understand. I can't help being dumb.
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:09:09
So there is no difference in the name then? Your sole proof is that he doesn't usually come on at 6am and he wouldn't say something negative about dear old you?

thepundit - see a psychiatrist.
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:11:37
Comment #106 just made my wife and her friend laugh so much they are in tears. At least you are good comic value mate. They are still laughing.

Gawd this is so funny.

Can you please come on every day?
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:13:39
#108 - I understand alright. I just don't believe it. He is your friend and he wouldn't dare say anything negative about you. And it was 6am.

THAT IS YOUR PROOF?

WHOA
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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:14:40
"my friend wouldnt come on and say something negative about me at 6AM"

So what are you saying? He'd wait till 10am before calling you a plonker?
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Grangemouth Bear,

Scotland and proud 11/07/2008 06:19:47
pundit. I am a Rangers man and i am no clone.

You are making a total idiot of yourself and you are letting rask real you in something rotten. Id advise you to go away and lie down for a couple of hours mate. you are out of your depth mate.

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Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:23:13
GB - I was happy to let it go earlier, but when he persisted with the cloning thing, I definitley didn't follow it, so asked him to explain. His answers have got progressively crazier and crazier.

I shall drop it now. I won't be cruel any longer.
65

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 11/07/2008 06:25:31
i think that the wee raskol is in fact the clone
myshkin trouble for us bears
66

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:28:48
So Samaras for 2m then? That's a great deal. City wanted 3m but Celtic were offering 2m. Seems City decided to take the deal just to get the player off their wage bill.

Maloney and Tamas to follow, plus a central defender and possibly another striker. It's looking good.

Also, I see the bi-annual Robbie Keane rumours are surfacing again. I can't see it, but after watching the YouTube video of him and Damien Duff celebrating in the pub after the injury-time win over Rangers, who knows what could happen?
67

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:31:33
#117 - Thanks for the compliment.
68

Raskolnikov,

11/07/2008 06:54:14
It's Friday. It's 4 o'clock and I am finished for the weekend.

Beer time.

Have a great weekend yin anaw.
69

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11/07/2008 07:04:50
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old firm,

11/07/2008 07:09:10
Rangers FC official website

"Join the season ticket waiting list now"

TICKET

lol,hee hee, lol, hee
71

old firm,

11/07/2008 07:21:11
Anyone want to swap 3 Beanos and a Dandy for a Shoot annual?
72

old firm,

11/07/2008 07:22:02
No? Anyone coming out for a game of chap door run?
73

Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 07:36:39
You can feel the sexual tension between Pundit and Rask from here. I think you should just get it over with lads.......

I agree with what Daillyman said earlier. We seem to have 281 central defenders and even more strikers but with no centre mid or fullbacks. As we are constantly reminded by the celtc mob tho there is plenty time left in the transfer market so no need to panic yet. Make no mistake though if we start the season with this squad i will be worried.

It'll no bother me this weekend right enough. Finish at 2pm then its off to T In The Park till monday!!
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11/07/2008 08:04:53
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Louis Catorze,

11/07/2008 08:07:50
Let the word-play commence.
76

Richardinho,

11/07/2008 08:10:35
You really have to wonder, with Rangers signing so many lower league players, how they expect to be any better than a lower league side?
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11/07/2008 08:11:32
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11/07/2008 08:12:18
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Richardinho,

11/07/2008 08:15:10
We don't need to make signings. No doubt we'll add one or two, but we have a settled side who won the league last year and are more than capable of repeating that feat.
I'm delighted that Davie Weir has decided to sign a contract extension at the Shoe box.
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Richardinho,

11/07/2008 08:36:05

I am just finding it very amusing that the man building Rangers team for season 2008-09 is Gordon Strachan!
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11/07/2008 08:39:55
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 08:43:50
#138 chucky

"for a knock down price of £1m in the coming days."


"provisional fee of £3m when they loaned him to Celtic last season. But City have accepted £1m less than that in order to smooth the switch to Parkhead"

So, is it 1m or 2m?

I wouldnt say 2m was a bargain. More like a more realistic price than 3. 3m for the big divin ladybhoy would have been a rip-off.

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Richardinho,

11/07/2008 08:44:22
If that's true about Samaras signing up long term, then I for one am delighted.
I don't think people appreciate how inflated the transfer market has become just in the last year. This is the worst time in a long time for teams like Celtic and Rangers to buy players. One of the reasons I'm glad Celtic don't have to completely rebuild their teams as Rangers do.
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Richardinho,

11/07/2008 08:45:50
btw, I'll accept some of the criticisms of Samaras, but by and large I think he's a decent player. He scored a few goals last year if nothing else.
85

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Now someone's clowned me.
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11/07/2008 08:54:37
#143 Chucky

No jealousy here matey. McDonald i rate, JVOH and Ladybhoy i dont, simple as that.
I reckon at 1m Velicka is much better value and will score more goals.
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11/07/2008 08:55:53
#145 swede16

You do a fine job of "clowning" yourself mate. ;)
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Swede16,

He's a country member. 11/07/2008 08:59:07
Is that the real you Jealousy? You've changed!
Clowning is much easier than cloning. None of that that genetic engineering stuff , a red nose and some face paint and you're off. But you already know that JJ
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He's a country member. 11/07/2008 09:01:23
#149 - if he plays much he'll probably get get your back up.
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#151 ... and he'll go down with the good ship Rearrangers
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 09:49:30
#159 Chuckle brother

"Your like that wee knight on the bridge in the monty python scetch having his limbs removed one at a time and still he wants a fight."

Ha ha mate that was actually pretty funny! Pat yourself on the back! Great film!

Im pretty sure you wouldnt say you rated Novo and he scores more important goals, plays less and cost a tenth of the price. Its all relative mate.




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Jam Tarts 1874,

On The Rebound 11/07/2008 10:10:46
Good to see Rangers going for a player who's name is very appropriate in relation to their bigotted/sectarian fans who disgrace Scotland at every opportunity and sing their bile including singing about a battle that took place over 300 years ago in another country that has nothing to do with Scottish football.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 10:24:45
#176

Coming from a club that has had its own problems re sectarianism and is most reknowned worldwide for booing the Pope's 1 minute silence.

Also your club are a laughing stock and you lot have as much guts as Frail. I dont make anywhere what Frail does and would not let my employees treat me that way.
I also would not stand there and let a foreign dictator ruin my club.

Yes we have our problems and a minority DO shame the club but Hearts fans have absolutely NO moral highground.
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11/07/2008 10:28:38
#176 trying too hard puddle jumper.May want to move along as there are adults wishing to discuss things.
There's a good chap
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 10:32:58
Anyway it was all about football till the jambo stuck his oar so lets back to it eh?


#184 Stanley

How you doin mate? Im getting slightly worried about the midfield for next season when we seem to be spending all our money on strikers and defenders. Whats your take on it?

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11/07/2008 10:37:15

Shittus a championship player, thats his level, if he was good enough for the Premiership thats where he'd be heading and not to the SPL.

Miller, Velicka, Lafferty & Shittu, quality over quantity! aye sure Walter, who are you trying to kid.
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11/07/2008 10:44:43
so he wants to play in CL? I bet barca, manu, real are all bricking it !!!
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11/07/2008 10:55:19
#176

You should be more worried about your jam tarts,than what other teams fans are doing.It must be demeaning for someone so obviously proud of his club to have to sit in on gers/tic threads,in order to see what real clubs and real fans are doing.Having a manager and signing players may be a novelty for you but for us,it is everyday life.
Sort out the mess that is Hearts,then you may be allowed to criticise,other fans who would never put up with the rubbish your, support put up with.
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11/07/2008 10:56:19
#186 JJ I have long felt that the midfield is where games are won and lost with Rangers. I theory, one up front is a tactic that can be used to good effect IF there is a genuinely pacy attacking midfielder. The natural caution of Rangers managers of late has nullified that and we are left with a 30 yard gap between the one up front and the midfielders whose natural instinct is to retain rather than attack.
The new Ian durrant would be nice! :-)


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11/07/2008 10:59:17
#195 Stanley

Dont get me wrong, i like Davis as a player but if we sign him for 3-4m it will be our last big outlay. I just dont think he ticks the boxes that you mention, which i agree are what we have been missing for a while.
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11/07/2008 11:00:21
Nervous bear 196

You hate hearts fans, you hate Aberdeen fans and of course you tic fans- c'mon lets stop the hating and get some luvving going your way.

Its only a game big man and it doesnt pay the bills.
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11/07/2008 11:02:36
#198 I will say one thing in defence of Davis though.When he was played in the middle of the park he looked very comfy. But, as you have rightly pointed out, he doesnt tick all the boxes mate.
Not being funny, but I dont care who we get if we can get a team who are comfortable with a ball and can work hard on the day. (very hard in a do or die way against smeltic of course)

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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 11:03:59
#189 Chucky

As you lot keep telling us, the transfer window aint shut for a while yet.
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11/07/2008 11:04:33
I don`t hate Hearts fans ,and have a couple of mates who are big fans.I do dislike people who throw stones in glass houses.
CHUCKY quickly pointed out that,some of the Hearts idiots,are just as bad as the idiots who bring shame on Rangers.And he does not normally miss a chance to have a pop at the gers.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 11:05:51
A harmonious song to start the Love fest...The Beatles "Come Together"

That aside..Wattie is quoted as saying that Davis' price is TOO rich for the 'gers ...Instead of looking for a suitable replacement for Bawwie (even short term)this task is put on the backburner whilst another defender is chased..Tipping the hand as to the style of play we can expect next term,I fear
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11/07/2008 11:06:16
195 Stan

The natural caustion you speak of may be hard to deviate from when it was so damn effective last year and WS knows quite right the limitations of his own players.

IMHO, to use a McLeish line, Rangers overachieved last year and the danger is that fans will expect nothing less than at least the same again and playing in a more attractive fashion which is the hard part.

As i said yesterday Ferguson will be a huge loss and although its very premature to be talking about the 'end' of his career its obvious to many that his best days might be behind him.

For me as a football fan i must say its sad to see this as the guy is very decent young fella and i dont know any tic fans who have any bad feelings for him but equally as a Celt it improves significantly our chances of success in the immediate future when the heartbeat of the Rangers team is missing.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 11:10:39
NB I believe we had this conversation yesterday..Lesson learned..;@)
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Swordsman,

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In true parliamentary style...I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I made some time ago...
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And before you all go postal that was PARLIAMENTARY not PARAMILITARY..OK?
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 11:20:05
206 Nervous bear

"The fields" is a sectarian anthem you say.


What pathetic rubbish. Try and think before you press the keys. So your view is fact, better tell the rugger crowd in Dublin that thier little ditty is 'sectarian'

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Plonker,

11/07/2008 11:21:22
Rangers nearly did well last season playing with the bus parked in front of their goal. Wattie got a lot of criticism, so he's signed three forwards who, whilst they are not anywhere near top class, should be good enough for the SPL. On the face of it, this signals a change in tactics to a more offensive mode. So far, so good.

However, I'm not convinced Wattie will change anything radically. To me, all he's done is added more firepower in the hope that the wars of attrition his sides create will result in more one goal victories. He hasn't added any more skill or guile as far as I can see. But this isn't a prerequisite in the SPL. Shittu should fit in well. With a name like his, he'd better.

On the other hand Celtic (let's face it, this is what it's all about, Celtic, Rangers, the SPL championship, with Europe a sideshow) struggled for most of last season. There's no getting away with it. They should have some momentum and will have continuity. But I feel they have to sign a full back and centre half at the minimum. They also have to add more goals from midfield. They need to "freshen up" the side, as big Jock used to say. (Robson was a signature signing in January and, once Strachan played him, acted as a catalyst and Celtic actually started playing well).

To be fair, Celtic know this and have been attempting to sign players with an eye on value. However, if they don't "freshen up" with players who will make a difference, there's a real danger that they might again struggle for large parts of next season.
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11/07/2008 11:22:38
Bosco, Bear and Chucky

Lets just no go there lads eh?
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Fergie is a great player to have in the team,and carried that injury for the best part of the run in last season.Even to the last day the gers were competing,so I don`t think he will be missed as much as some would like to hope.He is a player we will miss in old firm games,but we will get by.
I reckon Cuellar,will be as good a deputy as we could hope for as captain.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 11:24:20
#219 Plonker

Great post mate, and one that gives a balanced view.

Take note Chucky.
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11/07/2008 11:24:25
215 Nervous

1) Masterminded 9 in a row
-----no money and loads of it got ye yer 9IAR.

2) Got a team to within a baw-hair of the inaugural Champions League final.
-----not what the history books say.

3) Took Rangers to their first European Cup final for 26 years.
-----yes he did albeit playing football that made the 1982 Italy WC team look adventurious

4) Transformed Scotland from 70th in the world into a top 20 team.
----- a few jammy results IMHO

5) Turned around ManU when they were at their lowest point by bailing out SAF.
----- so daft and ridiculious no need to comment
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Dublin 11/07/2008 11:28:25
BTO..To paraphrase Barbara Dickson and Elaine Paige.."You know me so well.."
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Jealousy,jealousy,

11/07/2008 11:29:03
#226 Bosco

Explain how being goal difference away ISNT a baw hair away.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 11:33:12
233...Citroen c2v if you dont mind...
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234..ANOTHER song moment for the Baw hair theory..Beverley Knight.."Shoulda,Woulda,Coulda.."
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 11:36:20
BTO actually I have a penchant for Air Supply.."I'm all out of love..."
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 11:38:30
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Your right cheers, im not going to let myself get lured by Nervous Bear into the usual us and them cra-p. He might get a buzz ouf of that but i find it tiresome.

Dont know the exact details of the 92 CL season so if thats the case then OK then its a 'baw hair' away.
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WATP

"Walter will do it this season and you all know it".

But you guys told us he would do it LAST season and we know what happened ther dont we?

He doesnt have the zillions of yesteryear and thus cant buy his success like before so IMHO he is snookered as his managerial ability is mediocre combined with having average players = no titles.

Now CFC isnt exactly full of superstars, a bit better than the bears but we have a manager who can get a team to get past the hurdle in front of them, a manager who knows how to win when things arent going his way, we have WGS.
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NB I sit here in my Loons and Cheesecloth shirt combo,beads round my neck (Relax,theres nae wee man on the beads)listening to Al Stewart's Year of the Cat while rolling a doobie...I have fully embraced the 20th century...can you and yours not embrace the 19th?
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No shame in being wrong but better that than your cheap transparent attempt to engineer the usual dross we see on a daily basis on this forum- the us and them crusade froma bitter man.
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11/07/2008 11:44:52
#242 Bosco

Nae bother mate. Im just killing the last couple of hours till i leave for T In The Park and cant be ar*ed wi that stuff!

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JJ

How big a loss will wee Bazza be to the fortunes of RFC this season?
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JJ who you want to see?
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11/07/2008 11:46:57
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In my opinion Strachan was a 93rd minute goal away from being hounded out of Parkhead.
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On ma bike 11/07/2008 11:47:08
Never seen the gadge play...here's hoping he's not another Scheidt.

I am more concerned about our central midfield, Davis in my book is a must. I think a partnership with Kev could be very productive. Also pleased to hear Brahim is staying as the wee skinny Frenchman is a classy player in my book.

As for Celtic, I sense a couple big $$ signings coming up. I think a quality centreback should be top of their priorities. However unlike Rangers, creativity is not their dilemma so not sure if they need Shaun back.
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 11:50:46
248 JJ

The thing is it has been done so fecking often on this site it really has drained the energy of many a decent poster and plenty have left never coming back.

For far too many in and around Glasgow this 1690/1916 pis* is way more important than it should be.

Grow up and join the 21st centuary, Chinese and Indians are taking yer jobs by the millions and yer still blabbing on about John Knox this and Gerry Adams that.
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NB as a man of Scots/Irish heritage I suffer the terrible affliction of the Irish half wanting to drink the bar dry and the Scots half not wanting to pay for it...
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11/07/2008 11:55:29
#250 Swordsman

Bands - Chemical Bros/Verve not decided which yet.
RATM,MGMT,Byffy Clyro,We are Scientists,The Kooks,Prodigy,Kaiser Chiefs,Kings of Leon,The Enemy,Shed Seven

DJ's - Jeff Mills,The Black Dog,Justice,Slam.

Canny wait. Got all "supplies" sorted as well as booze. Unfortunately had to work till 2 so the first wave of us went at 6am the get all the tents pitched - the one plus point of going later.




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251 JJ

I agree a few lucky results did WGS have this season and it certainly helped the outcome in the CL and SPL.
But thats part and parcel of every league dont ye think.
Celtic and Rangers both had amazing luck to get to a UEFA Cup final IMHO. Rangers had a fair bit of it in the 92 CL campaign if my memory serves me right. what about the luck CFC had against Man Utd twice last year and indeed the luck Fergie had with Man Utd in 99 when they won the treble.

Luck is part of sport and the images of John Terry in May should remind us of the thinline between failure and glory sometimes.
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#254 I think you had the telly stuck on SKY Sports instead of Setanta as you have confused Celtic with some other swashbuckling team. Celtic were last season mediocre at best aswell and we all know the only reason you won the league is due to the extra 14 games we played on our march to two domestic trophies and a UEFA Cup Final.

As for boring football, how come Rangers managed to score exactly the same amount of league goals and scored more in other compettitions?

Also please tell me if I was mistaken or was that WGS mimicking Smith's tactics away to Barcelona with one up front?

Amazing how Celtic get pushed to the wire in an enthralling season and suddenly the revisonists on here have it down as the greatest ever league season since Big Jock won then the big cup??

Next you'll be saying invading Iraq was a success...c'mon you should be working for the government with spin like that.
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11/07/2008 12:01:00
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Your post at 218 aptly provides evidence at yourcheap effort to nurture the typical ding dong us and them rubbish we see here on a daily basis.

Fact.

Cant be bothered communicating with you so see ya.
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JJ good line up..Most of those guys are here this weekend for the Oxegen Fest in Kildare...Chem bros,RATM and Kings of Leon for me..Hope the weather holds...Been very SH*TTY here and what we get,you get later...ENJOY!
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11/07/2008 12:04:30
#263 Bosco

Agreed mate.

I KNOW our shortcomings and there are plenty of them.

What gets me is all this "we dont need any signings,we're already brilliant" nonsense that Chucky and the like peddle. In fact you struggled for a lot of the season, didnt look at all impressive a lot of the time and were gradually starting to turn on Strachan.
A couple of results later is all Rosy and WGS is the best thing since sliced bread.

Still, football is all about thin lines just remember next season you could just as easily be on the wrong side.
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11/07/2008 12:07:03
#266 Swordsman

REALLY looking forward to the Rage. A band iv not seen before. I like The Enemy too but havnt seen them live either.
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11/07/2008 12:09:50
#268 Chucky

I will agree with you on the fitness thing. Lots of times you looked like you were struggling only to win it in the last quarter. Its not luck when you do it so frequently.
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#272 NB

Never tried. Far too busy gettin out my face and jumping about like a loon.........anyway, the missus is joining me tomorrow so that puts paid to that.
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Keyboard supporter,

11/07/2008 12:16:59
#268 - "no one I have spoken to knows why it was disallowed"

McCurry, Masonic,anti "sellik minded", anti sporting integrity fc, laptop loyal, Murray lapdogs (Speirs, McNee, etc etc) conspiracy like everything else according to you and your cohorts.

Only in dhimland!

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Plonker,

11/07/2008 12:45:54
268 - Chucky - The Samaras goal's always irritated me as well. AND half the Celtic defence had stopped playing when Aberdeen put the ball in the pokey because the ref, rightly or wrongly, had already blown his whistle (have a look, there's even a Celtic player running away with his back to the action when Diamond or whoever strikes the ball)

But this is Celtic we're talking about. Rangers get it as well - there's always a commotion with accusations of bias when either of the OF (particularly Celtic - or is it just me) get a dodgy decision in their favour. And not a cheep when, as often happens, the decision goes against them (or decisions - remember the Celtic away game against Inverness Caley ?). Because the OF invariably clean up in Scotland, this is the media's way of "getting back" at them. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story sort of thing.

Truth is, neither side need the referees' help, because they've got better players than the rest. So, it's desperately sad when you get OF supporters claiming, for example, that they would have won the league if only the other mob hadn't got that crucial decision. But it's all grist to this particular mill, isn't it.
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11/07/2008 12:46:24
#271 I would also love to have seen RATM
We would all wave our wee flags along to 'Killing in the name of'...those family friendly closing lyrics will have the purists flushing!
"eff you, I wont do what you tell me"!!
What a line
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11/07/2008 12:46:43
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Rangers lost the league because they could only beat the teams in the top six ONCE away from home.

You are in for another disappointing season if you believe the other dung being spewed for losing the league.

I am delighted at that and I am extremelly confident that the league flag will be 'stayin home'.

WE WELCOME THE CHASE

4IAR coming soon
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Dublin 11/07/2008 12:46:53
Big day tomorrow indeed..I might take a leisurely trip into the city centre,Have lunch in a nice bistro,a couple of scoops on one (or two) of the many bars,and a wee stroll to top it all off.You know the best thing...?NO Troglodyte shoving his hatred in my face,FREE movement around the city (as is my right),No dreadful, tuneless cacophanies,No shambling monosyllabic drool clogging up the pavements...
BTW for all you "Ramblers" ..I believe that 2litre bottles of "White Lightning" cider is on offer at Lidl..at £5 a bottle...Buy 4 and you get them for £16.90..."21st Century me @rse
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11/07/2008 12:47:21
No need to apologise Chucky I'm just glad that you have obviously stopped frequenting Baird's as sights like you have described would be enough to send any sane man mad.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 12:48:23
Still would rather put up with the Walk than listen to Coldplay..:@)
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11/07/2008 12:49:35

first offer from the EPL and WGS is offski IMHO......
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forbesy1873,

11/07/2008 12:50:28
Oh dearie me and here I was thinking Swordsamn didn't want to fan the fuel of hatred, how mistaken could I have been, sad.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 12:53:07
Forbesby..Merely highlighting the diff between my sat here and the one you have there...I will further state that the other mob in green and white are just as bad,,,Get them ALL off our streets!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 12:58:19
My point,however crudely made is that these marches (of whatever hue) have serious consequencies for all civilised people beit the ability to go about ones business or not get a sore face for wearing a particular colour..again I say ban the lot of them...

Apologies for this intrusion into what should be a football forum...
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 12:58:56
Rangers certainly seem to be building up a squad of decent player, but with no gifted ones it has to be said.
The "whole being greater than the sum of the parts" approach seemed to work quite well last season and its a credit to the coaches' belief in themselves that they are aiming for more f the same.

At least I can see what they are trying to do and understand their signing policy.
Not sure if Celtc actually have a signing policy or anything resembling a plan of approach for next month.
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 13:00:58
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GTF?

Classy or what!

Just go to love these cyber hard men havent ye?

People struggle when they are found out for what they really are.

What a muppet.

295 Swordsman

Plenty of neds/numpties/hoods in Dublin.

Working class Dublin no different to working class Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle etc etc.

Its not all Bewleys and Temple Bar you know.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 13:03:10
NB if that were the case...I wouldnt have a problem with it...Maybe I've been away from it so long that when its thrown up,I remember the intimidation and fear emanating from such groups..Again apologies for diverting the thread to a subject that shouldnt be an issue here...Not like the first guy to do that though,eh?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:07:52
BB...Agreed ...We have our probs here too...Not all sweetness and light here.Paddys day in Dub is a WAR Zone with the alter egos of the Parade crowd rubbing their rubbish in your face..I HATE them all...Keep it to yourselves please..
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:09:36
BTO...Can I change the record literally and metaphorically?...Will calm down with a wee blast of Marvin Gaye..
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Dublin 11/07/2008 13:11:11
NB a good idea...Might get a bit lairy though(I'd haud the Jumpers).
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forbesy1873,

11/07/2008 13:14:39
NB,

Is that why is called the Swordsman?
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

11/07/2008 13:16:17
Hey Swordy. Let's get it on.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:17:55
Im not Gay but my boyfriend is...
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

11/07/2008 13:20:30
316 Your boyfriend tells me he's not gay, but his girlfriend is.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 13:21:18
Prefer to think in terms of my rapier like wit....But what ever goes for you ,wire in lol
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:21:53
I am Gay..Im a lesbian trapped in a mans body...
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

11/07/2008 13:27:59
321 Chucks. Better the sectarian track than the tan track preferred by Swordsman and his pork rapier.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:31:21
Back in 30 lads..Gotta restock the beer fridge...Or I'm away to watch Supermarket Sweep..which ever gets you going!
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Stoobing,

London 11/07/2008 13:47:43
Hilarious. Danny Shittu moving to Rangers ends up in this, post 314. Nervous Bear? How about Blinkered Boring Bear?

314 Nervous Bear,11/07/2008 13:15:12
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Certainly the intent of the Irish Free State and later the Republic was to represent all of Ireland's people thus the Green, White and Orange tricolour flag. Good intentions that are undermined by the likes of the Celtic fans who fly a Green, white and gold flag. With the Papal colour of gold replacing and disenfranchising the orange. This flag is banned as sectarian in Ireland.
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11/07/2008 13:47:49
Post 1
"dealing with the problem that has cursed Celtic since it's foundation"

Post2
"............Good intentions that are undermined by the likes of the Celtic fans who fly a Green, white and gold flag. With the Papal colour of gold replacing and disenfranchising the orange. This flag is banned as sectarian in Ireland.

Please folks tell me this fella is not trying to wind up people with this bile.
Its so fecking obvious, any chance a good and decent bear will tell him to shut it.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 13:48:25
Does anyone ever talk about football on these pages anymore?
I've not been paying attention recently, can someone tell me have Rangers signed Davies yet or is it still up in the air?
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Boyne Bhoy,

On My High Horse 11/07/2008 13:49:58
Swordsman, enjoy the 12th-Saturdays are always good. Off to Superquinn to stock up on Aussie Cabernet Sauvignon at €3.49 (1/2 price and very drinkable)(and about the same price as a bottle of Bulmers/Magners!) Just the thing for sitting on my apartment balcony tomorrow watching the Boyne flow by and remembering we are now 318 years ahead.

I welcome the chase (but not the chaste, that would be too dull....).
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 13:51:42
327 Bosco Bhoy. See Swordsman's admission and apology for diverting the thread in this direction at 303.

Football anyone?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:51:46
Ajax...Back to the footie...I believe that Wattie is quoted as saying the Fee for Davis is beyond them...Might be the start of a haggle but given the injury to Barry,Fulham hold the stronger hand
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 13:51:50
Papal colours supposedly on the flag of a neighbouring country- you coldnae make this stuff up.

Only in the demented mind of a fool.

Stalls up th barras selling the national flags must have to stock both types, the official flag and the sectarian wan for the tims and ah that.

gonae geez a Oirish flag bi gman and make shure it isnae the fecking ornage wans big man.
Vatican rules oh the way!!!!!!!

lol
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:53:06
BB was waxing lyrical earlier..I'm working tomorrow at 5 am so will at least get a kip later...Wouldnt have got that at home..Enjoy!
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 13:53:33
Ajax

Strange i think Davis is a decenet player but many bears not that impressed with him, what you think?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 13:56:23
Swordsman, didn't mean to pick you out there, looked worse than I meant it when I read it back, sorry.

Davies would be worth a couple of million in every country in the world except England. Double the first number you think of and that'll be the price I'm afraid.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:56:42
I too thought him a fair player..Maybe seeing him week in week out shows something that we only see occassionally?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 13:59:48
No probs Ajax...Feel my diatribe earlier was construed as the "S" word...Took my lumps for a badly conceived analogy..Hey! it happens...Was more annoyed at being called a Coldplay fan..;@)
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:00:22
334 Bosco Bhoy

I though he was a real find at the start of the year, but there is no doubt he faded. Whether that was because of the schedule (yes I know you've heard it all before, but it was a tough time to play to full potential) or whether he was infact playing above himself in the first coupe of months I really dont know.

The coaches should have a better idea, and if they don't rate him as £4M then enough said.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

11/07/2008 14:00:34
Bain should've got in there earlier with a decent offer for Davis. Now he's in a far weaker negotiating position.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:06:11
Can you bhoys tell me are you honestly happy with Celitcs approach this summer (and last summer too).

It seems to me that the club believes its own hype a little too much and wants to compete with the big boys for the big buys, then they get beaten to every signing and end up scraping around for the quality of player that they could have had their pick of a couple of months earlier.

Any comments?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 14:16:30
Ajax the capture of Skippy and Brown (who faded for obvious reasons)last summer was great..reservations about the others!
Very quiet so far...We will just have to wait and see what rabbit is pulled from the hat before the window closes...
Many guys on here just say "Buy him!" with no understanding of the procedures and protocols involved ie personal terms,image rights,compensation,signing on fees,length of contracts,bonuses,and,lest we forget,the BIG chunk of cash to prize the player from the selling club!
Last 16 appearances apart we are always gonna be punching above our weight,look at the journeymen who regularly go for 6,7,8 mill down south...Hate to put pressure on McCourt but if and it is IF he holds down a regular berth at CP it will be seen as a coup..If not a waste of money..I'm sure Wattie was thinking along the same lines with Lafferty (admittedly a bigger gamble at £3 mill)
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:25:51
I feel kinda sorry for McCourt. The lack of other new faces has put tremendous pressure on what was only ever meant to be a squad/development player.He'll have to be something special to live up to that or will be tagged a disappointment from the word go. Very difficult for a player to shake that kind of label even when it is unwarranted.

McDonald was a good resign for you, not so sure I believe in Brown, prevailing circumstances or not he isn't a top drawer midfielder.
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 14:26:53
344 Ajax

To be honest it really does depend on who we eventually sign and then we can fully evaluate CFC decison to be patient.
IMHO im not impressed by the signings of Burley and Miller for obvious statistical reasons but the other guy i think will be a good purchase.

Its hard to know what the best tactic is for us both, we are both shopping in the second and third tier type players category so time will tell if it was wise.

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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 14:29:07
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There cant be any real pressure on Pat McCourt due to the negligible transfer fee. The real pressure should be self motivated to grab his last chance saloon opportunity.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:37:16
Chucky if Celtic were powering until Christmas then had a depleted squad through injuries then that's down to poor signing policy last summer.No cover at all.

It's difficult to sign up a squad to cover all eventualities, but Rangers seem to be at least attempting it whilst I can see Celtic being a couple of injuries away from disaster again next month. Still no cover.
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Moonbeams,

11/07/2008 14:37:28
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Wee Scott Brown will become a far better player than Davis ever will.

Your only laughing now because you couldn't afford him.

I've got a log in for that dark ages site of yours (ReaRangers) FF and the vast majority of you Bears were going mental to lose out on him. Similar to the noises made when news broke that you had signed Misser and last night when there was a 15 page doom and gloom thread about the loss of Captain unbookable.

Timposters everywhere dontchaknow :) (you guys prefer the rolly eyes on FF don't you)
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:40:53
354 Nervous Bear

If Celtc sign Samaras up I wont be too happy. I thought he showed real talent last year, wasn't perhaps used as he wanted to be, but I'd rather he was away from the SPL.
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Dont you know, Wee Ginger Strachan would struggle to sign on at the dole office - he would need all the followers of the green & white trash to help him out here.
You cant wonder at WGS signing policy - who would play for them??
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Skye Ready,

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#355 Ajax
Dont you know, Wee Ginger Strachan would struggle to sign on at the dole office - he would need all the followers of the green & white trash to help him out here.
You cant wonder at WGS signing policy - who would play for them??
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:45:20
SkyeReady, so good you posted it twice eh?

I can think of a few Inverness players WGS might want to poach, that Brewster guy could still do a job for the Celtcs eh?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 14:51:37
Big Sami is ok in this household..I think he could do us a turn as he has the presence,good feet and will rumble up defenders...Oh and my missus thinks he has great hair...Go figure!
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:52:32
Nervous Bear

Celtc will have to buy someone for £3-4M, even if it is just to show to the season ticket buyers that they haven't slipped back into the biscuit tin mentality.

The problem is that prices rise as the transfer window closes, so pay more for less.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 14:56:56
363 Swordsman.

Samaras (the temptation to type Smartarse is almost too much)would suit a bubble perm.
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KILBOWIE,

11/07/2008 14:56:57
I posted on this thread last night when it was about people's opinions of a Rangers signing.
Just returned to have a look, & find that it has degenerated into morass of sick, sectarian & racist garbage.
Why does The Scotsman provide a platform for these thick & depraved rejects ?
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Dublin 11/07/2008 14:57:07
NB Absolutley...I even let her hog the shaving mirror in the morning...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 14:59:24
Kilbowie...Anagram of SHITTU...SHUT IT! Sorry mate,couldnae resist...
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 15:00:09
368 CHUCKY is that +1 line linesman at the OF games?
3 point swing I seem to remember.

Honestly the conspiracies employed against poor downtrodden Rangers are too much to (teddy)bear sometimes.
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Survivor Of Riots,

11/07/2008 15:06:03
And so, it comes to pass.

ReaRangers finally adapt a signining policy which we have all known for some time.

ReaRangers - Weir Shittu at the back and KAK up front.

4 in a row coming up.

Say the name with pride you lucky Scotsman

"Celtic"

Makes you walk 10 feet taller in a land inhabited by pygmies.

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Dublin 11/07/2008 15:09:44
NB..Open forum..with the accent on OPEN..Relax,its the weekend!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 15:17:32
We get em in,convince them that they are our best mates,the oul Cead Mile Failte bo**ocks.. then we send them home without a euro in their pockets...More than one way so skin a cat,my friend..
Song moment.."If your Irish,come into the parlour"..We take Visa Mastercard..get the picture...?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 15:24:36
377 Nervous Bear

Is it just me or is that quote from Kilbowie full of hom0-erot1scism?

Cue Swordsman's lesbi@n trapped in a man's body post again.

Isn't this where I came in??
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11/07/2008 15:25:20
Not that I'd be riding any Irish girls anyway. Much prefer a nice tanned Irishman although they are few and far between. Still, I live in hope.
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11/07/2008 15:26:38
Oddly enough the scotsman allows the word lesbian, but not hom0. What a bunch of P00fs.
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Nervous Bear,

11/07/2008 15:27:03
Stop calling him Laugherty or I'll come around and skelp your wee bum. (oooooh)
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11/07/2008 15:28:55
I'm all wet now cos I mentioned bum.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 15:29:00
Hmnn Ajax was beginning to wonder at the slant of NBs posts earlier..An inordinant interest in the sexual orientation of posters got me thinking that he'd got his wires crossed and should be dialling 0899 etc instead?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 15:31:29
381 CHUCKY,

Do I honestly sound like I'm hurting?
The day I get hurt over footy will be a very sad day for me indeed.

Looks like Gers, Hearts and Dundee Utd all got some decisions that cost them prizes last year.
Oddly enough not the conspiracy bhoys though eh?

That will all be forgotten when the first soft booking comes to a Celtc player next month though.
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Dublin 11/07/2008 15:31:44
NB..The place to go,I'm told, is the George in, errm George St..Double whammy as its the meeting place of the Dublin Loyal...What ever rocks your boat mate...!
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Dublin 11/07/2008 15:33:16
Hey never thought about it before...Dublin Loyal bannerat Ibrox .."Behind the Enemy for 10 yrs.." OOer missus!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 11/07/2008 15:43:24
NB..Most Dubs are Liverpool/Man U fans..Celtic will pretty much be the second team...That said,go to the right places and you could be in the east end of Glasgow...
The other thing is the lack of "Do or Die" thing we have as most Irish folk laugh at the idea of getting into a rammy over a game
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Dublin 11/07/2008 15:44:12
Nice way to be,if I'm honest!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

11/07/2008 15:54:03
£1.5 million for a donkey like Shittu - almost as bad as the £1.75 million Celtic paid for that other donkey Virgo.
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11/07/2008 16:00:33
Celtic are like 'everybody's' second-team around Dublin... The draw of the EPL is astounding - Irish people follow it slavishly, with utter disregard for their own league, and most other sports. Even GAA is affected a little by it, although the sheer fact that GAA is 'Ireland's Game' gives it a hard edge that will mean it always controls a large chunk of market-share.

The Irish are an amazingly nationalistic people (compared with we scots) as befits a fairly young country that recently gained independence. They are very proud of all things Irish, which makes this slavish following of the english premiership even harder to believe. We should take this as a warning - if SkySports and the EPL can penetrate the Irish psyche to the extent that it does, we must take all the care we can to grow the SPL market, improve the SPL product, and collectively market the SPL to young fans in Scotland, before following teams like Chelsea becomes the norm.
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Off now guys...Be nice!Later...
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 16:02:59
Easiest way into pro football must be up here in the highlands. The jump from gifted amateur to Ross County to SPL Inverness is a relatively small one.

Anyone coming out of England has been through the mill and probably had the good flashes polished off.
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11/07/2008 16:03:08
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 16:16:29
406, Chucky, which of the 9 bookings wasn't deserved in your opinion?

Do you really want to start totting up the points that everyone got from poor decisions last year?

Celtc were the run away winners on that score, as you probably know but wont admit.
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Boyne Bhoy,

11/07/2008 16:19:00
NB: How much is the CFC transfer kitty given your uinside knowledge? As a shareholder and season ticket holder I've not been told an amount but as you know going to share?

Like the majority of big clubs this transfer windows activity has barely started, personally i am sanguine that the best run clubs board will get it right so 4IAR here we come barring an increase in goat sacrifices down Govan way.

I do want a left back or two though. Please!
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Bosco Bhoy,

11/07/2008 16:27:19
412 Hugh Hefner

It does appear that for many it irks them considerably that Celtic Football club have a huge following in Ireland and with the Irish diaspora worldwide.

Why is it an issue for some?

Get over it.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 17:43:28
Chucky , why was McGregor booked for running to the mid-field to get involved when Borat ran the same distance to get involved and was not booked?

Why did Celtc have more players stretchered off playing against them than any other club but managed not to get players sent off?

Its because the officials make mistakes, and the majority of them in the SPL benefited Celtc last year. Thats life. Don't whine if its not the same next time. i
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Dundee Utd would disagree with you.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 18:09:42
Ajax 420

You really do need to learn the difference between referees who err and those who cheat.

McCurry is a cheat.

Where a Referee errs, his errors are random and illustrate favour no particular team.

McCurry's "errors" were consistently pro Rangers. Some of them were stunning.

Two games immediately spring to mind - though there have been many others.

1/ pro Rangers cheating v Celtic at Ibrox last October.
2/ pro Rangers cheating v Dundee United.
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http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/McCurry-is-ref-for-TV.2382282.jp
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http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/Hibs-feeling-robbed-of-point.2377123.jp
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11/07/2008 18:19:50
Need I go on, guys?

There does seem to be a certain method in McCurry's madness.
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11/07/2008 18:27:22
I would have to think that The Scotsman is involved in some kind of sociological study.
It cannot be random in any civilised country, to draw into the one arena, so many psychologically damaged & tormented individuals.
I am sure that, for some people, there is an entertainment value in its observation, but I think it would quickly wear thin.
I hope the experiment proves to be a success, & in some mysterious way benefits humanity.
I would have thought it UNLIKELY.
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Teary Ennui,

11/07/2008 18:27:42
"Basket-Balls-Semi against Hearts" (414)

Ah yes, the game where Hearts handled twice plus brought down Darcheville in their box but McCurry gave no penalties.
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Teary Ennui,

11/07/2008 18:29:38
"pro Rangers cheating v Celtic at Ibrox last October"? (#424)

When McCurry chalked off a good Rangers goal and turned down a clear Rangers penalty.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 18:38:45
421 jerrymanders

As I've already said on this thread Dundee Utd, Hearts and Rangers all had dodgy decisions go against them that cost prizes last year.
Not the conspiracy bhoys though, Celtc did ok from the mistakes the officials made.

Will this put an end to the MIB critisisms from Celtc fans?
In a word...No.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 18:43:06
Impetuous_Peter

Think you need to look up the meaning of the word random. If a coin falls heads up 9 out of 10 its still random.

By your reckoning the SPL is full of pro Celtc officials as there is no doubt that the majority of points gained by bad decisions were in Celtcs favour last year.

I think it was random.
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11/07/2008 18:58:48
Ajax 432

Are you able to cite a game where Rangers endured incredible decisions against them to the same level they benefitted from McCurry's "errors" against Dundee Utd?
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11/07/2008 19:00:05
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Aye, Tim, 4IAR beckons for Glasgow's decent Club.

The shabby & disgusting Club may win a couple of lowly regarded Cups again....
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11/07/2008 19:06:08
Tim, 442

Best you dont identify me, (just use Impetuous Peter) but how are things on Abbey Rd tonight?
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11/07/2008 19:07:21
Tiom 443

I could never tire of that game....partic the last 10 mins.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 19:21:33
I'm just wondering, guys, whether your gifted Manager, Walter, is planning for success this year, or planning for failure?

What's your view?

Success might mean 60+ games. Do RFC have the financial clout to resource for that number of games?
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Richardinho,

11/07/2008 19:37:10
I have to say, that I really enjoyed chasing after Rangers last season. I'm glad to hear that their fans enjoyed it too!
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 19:43:19
Impotent Pete

If you really think any cheating went on then I'm afraid you are a sad sad bhoy.

Did Celtcs points from bad decisions come from cheating refs? Nah, only the decisions you didn't like was cheating eh?

Tell me which of the 9 McCurry bookings of Celtc players in the OF match was cheating?
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 19:52:40
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I'm not at all surprised to see you resort to cheap personal insults, Ajax. Tut tut.

Neither am I surprised to see you are unable to provide an answer to the question I raised at #439.

Interesting, however, to see you ask which Celtic booking I question. It's up to the Ref in any match to determine the disciplinary regime. He does, however, have to implement that regime fairly.

When Mikey decided on a strict regime to address tackles from Celts, that was his prerogative, and I do not object to that.

Why didnt he apply that same strict regime to Rangers players?
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11/07/2008 19:53:15
Tim, 456

I do believe we've just made the same point!

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11/07/2008 19:57:43
Tim 448: Unsurprisingly, similar weather here. 10 miles due north of the county town.
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11/07/2008 20:01:37
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Yep, isnt it kinda quaint to see a certain sort here try to defend the indefensible?

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Pattie O'Dores,

11/07/2008 20:02:04
It's getting extremely tiresome listening to the bears' excuses why Rangers imploded so badly at the end of last season. SPL/SFA conspiracy, fixture congestion etc, etc. The plain truth is that Rangers got too greedy and thought that they could do the quadruple when they clearly didn't have the resources or the quality. A contributing factor to this which has received very little publicity is their shocking disciplinary record which deprived them of key players at crucial times because of suspensions i.e.
McCulloch sent off v Aberdeen
Darchville sent off v Lyon
McGregor sent off v Hibs
Cousin sent off v Fiorentina
Cuellor sent off v Celtic
Weir sent off v Celtic
Whittaker sent off v Celtic
Novo sent off v Aberdeen
In addition to the above both Ferguson and Thomson were suspended for European matches because of multiple bookings. If ANY club hopes to challenge for honours they need to ensure that ALL of their players are available when needed, injuries excepted. Rangers failed to do so and suffered the consequences. So, stop blaming everyone else for your failings and concentrate on getting your own house in order.

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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 20:02:14
Like the latest pseudonym?

Recognise the source of this one?
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 20:04:46
Pattie 462

Interesting.....but recall those many other instances where their violent conduct warranted discipline, but bizarrely they went unpunished?

Cousin headbut v Dundee Utd?

Bazza assaulting three Aberdeen players but going unpunished. Absolutely incredible!
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11/07/2008 20:09:29
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Aye, compare\contrast same ref red carded Thommo for his non contact head gesture towards Peter Lovencheat....who, suddenly decided he needed to lie down on the turf and roll around.
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11/07/2008 20:10:23
Tim,

been up to Lennoxtown yet?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 20:16:41
Impotent Pete - more a joke than an insult really, but if the cap fits ...

Clearly the 3 point swing on the OF game due to a bad decision had a major effect on the SPL title, but was it cheating?

Celtc players lost the plot in that game and were treated as they deserved. Rangers players were winning and didn't have to resort to tough tactics and so no bookings.
Both sets of players can and do deserve bookings sometimes, on that occasion Celtc players lost the plot a wee bit and got themselves booked. Should McCurry have ignored fouls after he booked 5 Celtc players? Wouldn't that have been cheating?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 20:21:31
Cheers Pat, does look like the refs were booking and sending off Gers players doesn't it.

McCulloch sent off v Aberdeen
Darchville sent off v Lyon
McGregor sent off v Hibs
Cousin sent off v Fiorentina
Cuellor sent off v Celtic
Weir sent off v Celtic
Whittaker sent off v Celtic
Novo sent off v Aberdeen

Were any of those decisions cheating? Or is it just when decisions go against Celtc that its cheating?
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jerrymanders,

11/07/2008 20:22:36
#464

Did Allan McGregor not assault Elliot too?
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 20:25:13
Pax, clearly I recognise you, been a while, but none the worse for all that.

I don't post on here so much these days as its seldom a footy forum anymore, but day off today so jumped in.

I'll be back after the kick-off.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 20:27:07
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Ho hum - another post, another insult. Better than facing up to the fact you cannot answer certain questions.

How fascinating to see you suggest that Cousin's violent assaults on Celts were OK, and that a two footed, studs showing challenge on Hutton was OK too.

I recall Aiden turning to Mikey and lookingat him quizzically wi that "Well, how about that then, Ref?" look.

Mikey turned away.

At that point WGS should have taken Celtic off the park. It had descended to farce.
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11/07/2008 20:31:54
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Still unable to answer my questions, Ajax? Ho hum. Quelle surprise.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 20:39:30
jerrymanders,

Gers seemed to do ok with the European refs last year. If getting "found out" is reaching the final then roll on being found out again. I've no problem with refs from other countries. UEFA should pool them all and just send them out randomly, bit expensive tho.

Impetuous, it was only a joke, not even that, a play on words. Get over it.
No question to answer.
Did Cousin put a two footed challenge in on Hutton? Must have missed that.

But if he did then Cousin should have been sent off for damaging Rangers transfer kitty...almost spent now...biscuit tin is rattling down Ibrox way.
How is that fat wad of notes doing at the East end?
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Teary Ennui,

11/07/2008 20:59:59
#435,

Not sure when you think "the ball went to John Kennedy's hand (at his side) at point blank range". That certainly didn't happen in the incident I was referring to. Methinks you dreamed that one up, in your sad state of paranoid denial.

Interesting to see the list of Rangers players sent off, etc last season. Especially when not a single player from poor, persecuted Celtic was red-carded in a domestic match last season despite such incidents as big Vinegar assaulting Faye, Hogg and Diamond plus McManus breaking Dean Holden of Falkirk's leg with another assault. Could it be Celtic are not really getting picked on? Shockerooni. :0)
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 21:09:18
482 Teary

The Celtc fans are confused.
Obviously all the refs are biased in favour of the Gers, but then again...

McCulloch sent off v Aberdeen
Darchville sent off v Lyon
McGregor sent off v Hibs
Cousin sent off v Fiorentina
Cuellor sent off v Celtic
Weir sent off v Celtic
Whittaker sent off v Celtic
Novo sent off v Aberdeen

...so maybe not so much.

List of Celtc players sent off last season?
Or maybe alist of opposition playes strechered off? Wonder which would be the longer list?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

11/07/2008 21:32:20
I can just about see where WS is coming from with the Shittu signing. I think that having a big, intimidating central defender that will take out everything in his path as he homes in on the ball is a good option for every top team, particularly in a physical league such as the SPL. I always admired the job that Balde did for Celtic during the MON years, although these types do tend to have their shortcomings exposed in Europe.

We can all argue over the quality, or possibly lack of it, but it seems to me that RFC now have what they want with regard to defence and attack, and the attention now turns to midfield, where certainly one, and possibly two, new signings are required.

And I still wouldn't go over £3 million for Steven Davis, a good player, but not a match winner.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 21:38:18
BE

As someone asked before...which of the OF players of today would have got into the 1st team 10 years ago (if any).

Shittu wouldn't have been considered, but we have to speculate nowadays. Its all up to the coaching staff now.

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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 21:48:40
An OF thread nearly 500 not out?
Shoorly sum mishtake.

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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 21:51:24
Ajax 483

What a bizarre interpretation of the rules of football.

I guess that's to be expected from your sort.

I see you're still unable to answer certain questions I asked earlier.

Were there merit in your case such evasion would not be necessary.
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11/07/2008 21:52:46
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Re Davis, I agree your assessment.

Having spent that £3M?, how much would you pay him per week?
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11/07/2008 21:57:51
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My sort? my sort?

As I said...No question to answer.

What is my sort? Now there is a question.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

11/07/2008 22:05:27
Ajax #485

A depressing, but accurate point. I was here a couple of nights ago waxing lyrical about the memories of De Boer, Laudrup and Gascoigne.

Alas, the market has moved to a different level.

We now have to pay the Gazza fee, or thereabouts, in order to secure Steven Davis. We had a golden period during Walter's first two full seasons in charge, when we narrowly missed back-to-back trebles and almost made the CL Final itself.

Advocaat's first two seasons were also an exciting time that saw us play with a lot of skill and finesse and win a few trophies as well as compete respectably in the CL group stage.

Today's squad is profoundly depressing. There seems to be an acceptance that the acquisition of genuine talent is out of our reach, and that the best we can hope for is an overwhelming level of strength, fitness and organisation that will force our opponents into submission.

Surely the Lafferty/Miller/Velicka money would have been better spent on McFadden and Maloney, to give us an element of skill and flair when we go forward. Wouldn't it be nice to have a player in the ranks who could actually raise expectation levels in the crowd when the ball lands at his feet?

Walter is letting us down with the direction he's moving in.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 22:05:38
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Yes, your sort.

The sort that cannot answer certain straightforward questions.

The sort that denies their very existence.

The sort that resorts to adolescent personal insults when the weakness of his case is exposed.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 22:07:48
BE 493: Stop it! You keep making sense! It's kinda got me .....well ....err ....bemused!
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 22:11:55
Ajax 483

How bizarre....

Let's check to see how many were red carded for each SPL team?

Let's check to see how many were stretchered off?

Both as measures of the favour of referees?

How very very strange you people are.
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Daillyman,

11/07/2008 22:14:18
493 Bemused exile.

I must admit that having resigned Weir and Daily giving an extension to Webster and having Broadfoot and Papac who are both central defenders. Then WS is going to go out and sign Shittu.

Had signing Shittu been his plan all along why waste the weekly wages on Weir and Daily? I would think there combined wages would be in the region of 24-30k a week.

Surely a decent midfield player under the Bosman rule is out there somewhere and the weekly money paid to the 2 veterans could have been spent on bringing in such a player.

We are starting to look like a team of centre backs with a bunch of bodies up front to latch onto a long ball. We desperately need some quality in the middle of the park.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

11/07/2008 22:17:35
Peter

Thank you again.

Unfortunately, my opinion of the overall standard at Celtic Park, with a couple of worthy exceptions, is not particularly high either, but throughout my time on these threads it has never been a tactic of mine to criticise the opposition. There are, sadly, far too many well-practised exponents of that dark art already present.

Celtic are, however, the more gifted side, and will surely prevail again over 38 SPL matches, unless SDM pulls a very big rabbit out of his hat.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 22:22:11
BE 498

Aye, fair comment again, and the standard of your posts has, of late, been high.

But, let's not recall some of your earlier err contributions, eh? Some were pretty baaaaad.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 22:23:30
493 BEMUSED EXILE

Velika was a good opponent, not a bad signong IMO.
Lafferty, well I just don't know. Depends on the coaches, and I've never seen coaches with so much belief in themselves as we have.
Miller...whoops.


Impetous P, You love us, no other reason for you to bve on here. xxx
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BEMUSED EXILE,

11/07/2008 22:29:33
This isn't about you or me, Pax. I've annoyed you and you've annoyed me, that much is true.

However, I'm sure that we both stand by all the posts that we've made, and that we both believe we were behaving in the right way at the time.

As a man who misses very little, you will be able to bear testimony to the fact that I haven't really got involved on a personal level at all during 2008. There are one or two who have tried to provoke a response, undoubtedly feeling that they have an old wrong to put right. I can't prevent that, but I can choose to turn my back on it.

I'll always comment on the actual football with honesty, though.
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 22:36:00
BE 503: Aye, fair comment again, BE.

I admire your restraint and I admire your reform...your renaissance. Well done.
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 22:38:06
Pete, what was the question?
I can't believe you are so hung up about it.

BE what is the point engaging with IPax?

However I fall into the trap too!

Soo any road up, did you see the Shetland team just beat Devoranvale from Higland league in warm ups?
Shetland are allowed into he North Cup for the 1st time. They have drawn Ft William.
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11/07/2008 22:41:08
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QuestionS addressed to you are unanswered. Plural.

They're still showing on this page.
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11/07/2008 22:48:04
Ninny 507:

Hello hello.
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11/07/2008 22:50:08
Impy P, if your question is worth repeating then do it.

If not then dont.
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11/07/2008 22:54:33
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No need for repeat. My questionS - plural - are still showing and you have not been able to answer them.

Your case is weak and you know it.
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11/07/2008 23:00:25
HH 511

Your likening Shittu to Bobo reminded me of the Ref who confused Rab Douglas and Bobo in a Tunnel fracas with Motta from Barca at CP a few years ago.

One wonders how he could have confused the Bobo and Rab; Rab was the one wi the gloves!
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Ajax MacKindling,

11/07/2008 23:00:52
510. I have a life...so as much as you think I care about what you asked...I don't really...but I can whip back here between things and look too see if you mananged to just repeat the question(s)

love you Pax xx
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Impetuous_Peter,

11/07/2008 23:02:20
Ajax 513:

As I thought: my questions were too hard.

Your sort answers only certain questions, but studiously avoid oithers.

Your case is weak and you know it.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

11/07/2008 23:11:12
Hugh.

We all tend to have a little bit of that "win at all costs" mentality with regard to our football team, so I suppose if Rangers were to win the SPL next season, I'd be a happy man. But, standing here on the cusp of a new campaign, I'm realistic about my team's prospects and about the level of entertainment to be expected.

The trouble is that, eventually, nothing is ever good enough. Thus, I was in agreement when WS was relieved of duty first time around, because he'd gone backwards in Europe, and domestic success had become, frankly, boring. Advocaat made Rangers a much more watchable team, sophisticated even, but I became angry at what I seen as a lack of fight when MON came along and outmuscled them, and I wanted somebody in charge that could instil those qualities. I was one of the few that welcomed Eck's appointment for those very reasons, but his inability to put two successive good seasons together was frustrating.

PLG had bad luck. Had he inherited a domestically winning team, then he would have been allowed a "bedding-in" season to bring about his vision. But unfortunately, we wanted success immediately, so patience was a little thin on the ground.

You can't knock our physical strength or our determination under WS this time around, but already I crave a little more sophistication. I suppose I want the best of all worlds.

A "Dick Le Smith", so to speak!!
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jerrymanders,

12/07/2008 00:16:17
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How is your amphetamine flowing? Dailly started off as a raw centre forward under Jim McLean. He is now a very limited centre-half. He could not score in a broth....
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Daillyman,

12/07/2008 00:52:06
523 jeryrmanders

With the so called limitations that Dailly has,, people have thought enough of him to have capped him, 34 times for the U21 side, and at 16 being our youngest ever cap.

I believe he also has 67 full caps, not a bad haul for a player with limitations.

I would tend to think his versatility has benefited the national program more than limited it.
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12/07/2008 00:58:07
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bto had a good teacher as far as predictions go!!

 

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