Fines - useless, don't hurt the clubs at all

Behind closed doors - hurts the genuine fan but gives the clubs no incentive to act as over 90% of supporter income is via season tickets.

Deduct Points. It's the only language these clubs understand.

Sectarianism isn't a problem for ten of the twelve SPL clubs. It's way past time to crack down on the two for whom it is.

#1 Disappointed that you sought not to name Hearts and Rangers by name.
SFA's half hearted attempts are doomed to failure. Any club subject to a fine will take them to court claiming they are being unfairly targeted and that the rules are vague and not applied uniformly.

This is a societal problem not the clubs' problem.

Sectarianism has came into this post already and I bet they do not think it is sectarianism.

It is such a difficult subject to tackle - step one, though, is to get rid of the "accepted" problems of racial and religious bigotry.

Then we move on to getting rid of the other problems.

such a shame that the s.f.a. have taken so long to act on sectarianism in scotland. somehow i feel that if u.e.f.a. had'nt stepped in then we still might be way behind the times. maybe if they had acted long long time ago we might not have this problem. as for post #1 well why did the hearts supporters boo so much when there was an attempt on a mins silence for the late john paul 2.

#2. This policy applies to all clubs but that's a ridiculous slur on Hearts, there's a small crew of bampots but you'll find them at many other cubs. They are always shouted down by other fans on websites and at grounds. The club actively tries to keep them away and has always tried to attract amily supporters. Hearts have never been fined or even threatened with fines and have no history of a non-Catholic policy. I think you'll find that "unacceptable conduct" very much includes the behaviour of Celtic fans.

As a Rangers fan I hope these new powers are the final nail in the coffin for all the sectarian and bigoted songs and chants. The fans who continue to bellow out these chants could in effect lose Rangers a league title if points are deducted so the onus is on the good and decent fans to do their part.

Maybe other teams have their problems but I would not like to comment on whether they are anywhere near as bad as they are at Rangers although I would hazzard a guess they are not.

Anyway, a move in the right direction but like #1 I agree that points deduction is the answer to finally put it to bed.

Lets get this right once and for all.

Whilst I accept that there are some Celtic fans that are bigoted, to compare Celtic fans to Rangers fans is absurd.

Sure some Celtic fans sing about the IRA. I don't much like it but it can hardly be called sectarianism. With perhaps one exception (about no protestants at all, blah, blah), there are NO sectarian songs sung by Celtic fans.

Compare this to the filth and degrading bile that eminates from Mordor and, well, you can't. There is no comparison.

It's like the lazy journalistic dribble of referring to both teams as the "old firm". I hate that expression. How dare anyone compare our club to Rangers.

It should be said that Rangers have made huge strides to marginalise and eradicate the scum that insist on being obnoxious and bigoted, even if their motives are financial rather than moral, but, nevertheless, credit where credit's due.

However it will be very interesting to see how the powers in Scottish Football, who think that if Rangers do something bad, Celtic should be equally punished( Is this justice?????) will deal with this conundrum.

Will they deem that "pro" republican songs (or Irish folk songs if you prefer) are as bad as "anti" catholic songs? Will they re-write the laws of sectarianism to suit their preference for punishing the "old Firm" because they lack the courage to isolate the real problem...Rangers Football Club?

I believe that the intelligent and astute men who run Celtic will not allow this absurdity anymore. If the powers in Scottish Football try that old, tired technique, I think they will be humiliated in the courts.

If Celtic are out of line, then we should be punished. But if Rangers are out of line, let them face the justice they deserve...on their own!

#8 There lies the problem. The delusions of mental midgets like smeagol. "there are NO sectarian songs sung by celtic fans". Yet earlier in the post he refers to the trolls singing"no protestants at all". The IRanaway are a sectarian organisation who committed sectarian atrocities. Singing about them is sectarian. celtic officials keep promulgating lies that its supporters don't sing sectarian songs. They are aided and abetted by the Scottish mhedia who run scared of celtic.

celtic are the most sectarian club in Scotland. Founded on sectarian principles. It is a well known fact that over 80% of celtic's playing staff were catholic in a country where 15% of the population is catholic. That's a sectarian signing policy. And no protestant director in the first 100 years of the club's history. No guff about family businesses please.

However I agree with Gollum as I hate Rangers to be compared to celtic for the reasons given above and for the disgusting behaviour of the celtic supporters who are the most racist, bigoted and anti-semitic on the planet. They should close that despicable hate filled club down.

With morons like you number 9, I can see that the coffers of the SFA are soon going to be full of Orc dollars through all sorts of fines.

You are a classic example of the problems confronting Rangers as they try to modernise their institution. It is going to be a long, long road before decency triumphs in Mordor.

# 10 Prove me wrong and point out what I said that makes me "a classic example of the problems confronting Rangers" since the article is about sectarianism.

Whilst I'm on I would like to point out to you that EVERY SINGLE POST on these forums from you refers to Rangers fans as orcs and is full of bitterness, bile, hatred and deconstructive criticism. You hate Rangers more than you love your own club.

Scottish society and the British government are over 50 years too late in dealing with this. Blaming the SFA is laughable. They were merely following contemporary mores. Because it was never admitted to, it festered. Now the abused have become abusers, and everyone feels abused. Sectarianism has become a fetish which governs must of the waking moments of a worrying percentage of Scots, home and abroad. Witness the obsessive rantings of Nearlyneurotic and the vile ramblings of Vietnambear.

The locus of power has shifted in so many ways over the past 50 years. The scottish people have been let down by their leaders, and have let themselves down by not chosing leaders who would refuse to pander to the growing fetish.

Regardless of the identity of those responsible i am delighted regarding the potential sanctions and that sectarianism has to an extent been deifned as within a Scottish context being intra-Christian division,nothing more or nothing less.As someone alluded to this may not include songs endorsing political ideologies but i can guarantee people that songs which empathise with the Provisional IRA can be deemed as offensive within Britain and as such should be desisted immediately.Sadly on Saturday also there were the sectarian chants form some within Ibrox but hopefully these will empower all decent Rangers fans to confront the cancer in their midst and compel them to report these people to Rangers FC

If the title race goes to the wire like it did a few seasons ago, and any of the teams at the top get involved in this type of of nonsense, I do not think that anyone will have the balls to sanction a points deduction. Never mind, SPL, what they will do is SFA.

9,

How you have arrived at some of your conclusions i do not know but some evidence would be much apprciated

Gandalf,

The pressing concern for Celtic FC is to eradicate the remaining songs sang about the Provisional IRA.There is no major footballing body who have a desire to rid the game of generally accepted patriotic airs.Consequently it is unforseeable that songs like Rule Britannia,Flower of Scotland,Boys of the old brigade are on the radar of UEFA or FIFA.It would seem inconceivable that national anthems are encouraged by these bodies within stadia yet alternative patriotic songs would be met with sanctions and i can assure you that no anti-racist bodies has any appetite to deflect pride from Celtic's connection to their Irishness,Rangers Britishness or indeed other clubs pride in their Scottishness.

I would ban all supporters carrying flags.

9 - Dubalamanzi, "anti-semetic"...funny that the Jews I know from Glasgow all support Celtic..even if they do have to look at the odd Palalestinian flag (that doesnt seem to upset them too much).....according to them, support of Celtic is more common in their ranks as supporting Rangers isnt really an option - too many right wing publications on sale outside Ibrox for the liking of your average Jew.

Stop throwing insults that you cant back up son! Although your mother probably wouldnt even back up the arguement for your continued use of the worlds oxygen! Die soon please!

#9

The Prov IRA are not a sectarian organisation in any way shape or form and have had as much conflict with the catholic church throughout their history as anyone. they may be many things but sectarian is not one of them. I totally agree that republican songs should not be sung at football matches as there it is not the appropriate time or place to do so.

Like many other knuckle headed bigots you have missed the point completely. Celtics background has made it inevitable that they will attract more catholics than the national average. However Celtic has always been an all-inclusive club. Doors closed to no-one. Unlike Rangers who,according to Sandy Jardine recently, spent a large chunk of their history actively discriminating against catholics.

Always bear in mind. Rangers are in UEFA's dock Celtic are not.

17 - I would go along with that mate, nothing against flags per se, but its funny that 90% of the time, IMHO, a nations flag is carried by an inadequate fool trying to shove his/her agenda down someone elses throat. I hate seeing a national flag on display when a national event isnt on. Patriotism is one thing, but being overly interested in patriotism of one counrty or another is a sign of something seriously important lacking in ones phsyce.

Sorry if that upsets people, even those who support Celtic (the rest of you I couldn't really care - in fact its a plus if I do) but I call it as I see it!

Stevie - you are correct that about the IRA - they werent strictly sectarian but they killed too many people for chants about them to considered anything other than offensive. These songs are past their sell by date for us to bin them for good!

21,

Would agree about the Provisional IRA songs and the insensitivities surrounding them

9,

Just to add that sectarianism does not start and stop with the vitriolic chants of supporters.The fact that three players from Rangers have spoken of the 'problems' of being a certain faith at Rangers would suggest there is still issues outwith the support.

7#. Spot on!

12 - Spot on Ricco!

25 - Actually they targeted people regardless of religion or nationality. But you probably only care that some of them were protestant - and that they were mostly catholic - thats why you are generally regarded as a bigot....and I for one would not disagree with that assumption!

#9 - You are really delusional if you actually believe half of what you wrote, (or was your post just a kneejerk crime of passion and stupidity).

In your post @ #11 you take the opportunity to condemn Gandalf for his 'bitterness, bile hatred and deconstructive criticism' and you make reference to name calling, you then go on to say;
"mental midgets like smeagol" - Personal Insult
"trolls singing" - General insult of Celtic fans
"celtic officials keep promulgating lies" - Outright accusations
"aided and abetted by the scottish mhedia" - Conspiracy theories

and then to put the cherry on top;

"However I agree with Gollum as I hate Rangers to be compared to celtic for the reasons given above and for the disgusting behaviour of the celtic supporters who are the most racist, bigoted and anti-semitic on the planet. They should close that despicable hate filled club down"

You are a perfect example of a self delusional hate filled individual who refuses to see the truth; Celtic are welcome wherever they go, Celtic have received accolades from police forces for their conduct.
Even the leader of the AC Milan Ultras made a public statement on the internet before the AC Milan - Celtic match last season that the Celtic fans were to be welcomed with respect and that there would be no trouble with the Ultras because they recognised and admired our colourful and passionate supporters...
I wonder if your club will be so welcome in Tel Aviv after the nazi salutes?
I wonder if your club will be so welcome in Spain after the FTP choir on YouTube?
I wonder if your club will be charged with anything as a result of the recent investigations?
I wonder if your club will get the oh so desperately needed must win result tonight?
I wonder if your club is proud of the annual accounts released last night? (smart move btw, just before such a crucial tie)

Song Moment

#13 - You hit the nail squarely on the head, good post.

Listen to yourselves... talk about ignorance on a grand scale - you are both as bad as one another - celtic and rangers are a cancer on the scottish game - you are so monumentally brainwashed by this drivel that you think everybody has an angle - most decent supporters couldn't give a flying one what you lot think - celtic and rangers exist in some sort of quasi-symbiotic relationship - both as bad as one another and both equally disgusting. You both continually bring shame to Scotland and are an embarrassment to modern times...

it will be VERY interesting to see if the SFA stick to their guns over this or if it is just the usual lip service announcement, cos if they do follow through with their threats then the pair of you are snookered

Scotlands problem? I think not - all bile leads to glasgow

#27 - Spot on, and I second every word of your post!

Hmmm... The football association threat! A common occurence throughout the ages that usually counts for nowt. I'll believe it all when I see it in action.

#32 - I hope the SFA stick to their guns, at the same time I hope that they will do it with impartiality and without the traditional bias accorded to RFC...

...and you're having a laugh if you're trying to state that Celtic and Rangers are the only Scottish clubs guilty as charged.......

that should have been afforded and not accorded doh!

32 - all bile leads to Glasgow dream on mate...Motherwell player sectarianly abused by his own fans, Hearts fans consistently indulging in this behaviour also - you must not only be brainwashed but deaf blind and dare I say it, (of course I will) dumb as f888. Or is it possible your just another bitter jealous supporter of one of the diddy teams trying to take the rare opportunity to get one over!

32 - I suppose you dont think racist abuse can be classed as bile - suppose not, that way you would have to point the finger at lot of teams in scotland.

haha - listen to yourselves! The Ostrich theory in full effect or what... nothing against glasgow per se either - just constantly offended when this is tagged a scottish problem when every other teams supporters know that it is a predominantly celtic/rangers one.... I may support a 'diddy' team as you say but one that i can watch without having to deal with sectarian/racist bile...

...and you tag me as disgusting - oh the irony

get over yourselves

Secterianism in Scotland is a problem for most clubs. But thankfully, the SFA and the clubs are working hard to counter the problem and that is fantastic news.

Well done to all people who try and remove secterianism from our football. The main thing is that we are all aware of the problem and that its getting lots of media attention as well as positive solutions from various places.
Excellent news, we should all be happy about this

The petty point scoring on here is ridiculous. All these people posting that such behaviour is an outrage but we're not as bad as the blokes next door. Any song which advocates or celebrates the murder of innocent people or glorifies the murderers is unacceptable, any song which vilifies others because their religion, origin or colour is different from your own is unacceptable. It doesn't matter how many people sing it or where they sing it it is unacceptable and right minded people, who I believe are in the majority in all grounds, should have the right not to put up with this embarrassing few.

#37- You are a prat and an embarrassment to the team I support!

No 32 Excellent comment. I am fed up with both these OF sides trying to take the moral high ground. Unfortunately they are so full of hatred of each other they just do not understand. Also, the SFA/SPL will not do anything to tackle this problem other than give them a gentle slap on the wrist, but if Aberdeen, Hearts or Motherwell step out of line well points will be deducted. Scotland's shame will continue.

#37 - See Post #44

#44 - I second EVERY word of your post.

#45 - Who's trying to take the moral high ground?
I'm personally fed up with the holier than thou supporters of 'other' teams outside the so-called 'Old Firm' continually berating the two teams for being 'a cancer on scottish football', when we all know that without Celtic and Rangers, Scottish football wouldn't even exist on a proffessional basis.
Here's an idea, Put half the energy that you waste whining about the 'Old Firm' into supporting your clubs, thus filling their respective biscuit tins and creating a much more competitive SPL.
While you're at it, a bit of appreciation for the extra revenue created for your second rate teams by the 'Old Firm' that you despise so much wouldn't go amiss.......

*46 - there you have it folks, in a nutshell - we should be 'grateful' for the greatness that the old firm bring to Scotland... phukin hell you couldnae make this claptrap up (unless ye support the of)

actually why stop there - lets all stop supporting our 'diddy' teams and jump aboard the old firm bandwagon - lets embrace the bile, the pig headedness, the violence, the fear...

erm...actually, lets not!

Aye 46 you do show your true colours. I would rather both you OF teams flicked of down south and played in the Championship. This would be better for all us other "diddy" teams and would not require me to have to listen to your foul mouthed drivel being spouted. You are a small minded man who cannot see past your hatred of all thing non Celtic. By the way I support the diddy team who denied you the League on the last day a few years back, boy did I cheer loudly when Skippy scored- does this make me a bigot?

Jed Zeppelin.

Chill out man, why don't you leave in through the out door and go over the hills and far away to kasmir and relax with friends, at the end of the season, you will see Celtic's celebration day and I'll certainly be out on the tiles with a whole lotta drinking and a whole lotta love.

Adios. I'm going to california.

The common misconception is that Scottish Football would be finished without Rangers and Celtic. However, the truth of the matter is that the OF need the rest of Scottish football more than Scottish football needs them.

Old Firm fans appear to think that their teams are bigger than the game. Such arrogance is deplorable, the game will always be bigger than any club, its players and its management team. Football will survive long after the OF are no more, football will survive long after the stadiums are pulled down, football is king and it always will be.

The OF are welcome to pull out of the SPL right now if they want. It wont effect us! Sure we may not have the big gate receipts we are used to when they visit. So we off load the high paid stars and go back to basics. Then Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, D united become the big teams and the fans return in their droves to watch good football, without the religious factor.

The OF need the SPL. But the SPL does not need them. Football is all the SPL needs and thats the bottom line.

I've followed these old firm threads on many news items, and they all descend into the same theme, drawing the same battle lines and regurtitating the same points.

What's absolutely clear to me is that the majortiy of old firm supporters are too blinkered, bitter and indoctrinated to accurately assess the true depth of sectarian problems within their supported club. I count myself amongst this number of course, as a Celtic fan I could not avoid having my judgement skewed. As Neitzshe so aptly pointed out, when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you.

I salute BlueNoseNZ for having the courage to state that his own club possibly have the worst problem, it takes a certain level of insight and started the discussion in the manner it should have continued, looking within rather than across the divide pointing fingers.

I also believe the SFA find themselves in far too sensitive a position to take any effective action. If they did take action against one club they would quickly be accused of favouritism.

For the above reasons I continue to look to the actions of UEFA as a guage of the severity of problems in particular clubs. They have no agenda, no preferences, no concern for the political balance, and simply tell it as they see it.

No 51. Great comments and very well put. Thankfully there are many sensible and intelligent supporters of the OF around and hopefully their influence will drive the imbeciles out. It is a shame more do not post their views but it is generally only the ones who bring shame to their clubs who do.
Scotland has many things going for it as a country but sectarianism is not one of them.

51 - SOE - Nice, but I think you might find that the only person claiming that one party has a problem and the other party doesnt is the Black Dog Jed Zeppelin.

The secterian problems exist because two teams in particular have embroiled themselves in politics.

What did the IRA ever have to do with football? What did Bobby Sands have to do with football? Why do machine guns across the middle of the Irish flag represent a Scottish football team in the minds of some? What does the Pope have to do with football, what does the union flag have to do with football? What does Orange bastard have to do with football, or Fenian bastard? Truth is, nothing!

But the OF fans made it part of their rivalry and it has stained the history of Scottish football forever.

But change is now upon us and it must be embraced. It must be supported and it must be practiced. We dont want religion in football, religion is a bacteria and it will eat away at the foundations of almost anytihing it touches. Lets BOOT religion out of football once and for all.

SAY NO TO RELIGION IN FOOTBALL

Gordon,

Sadly Jed Zeppelin is just going to Ramble on - The song remains the same with guys like him despite damning evidence to the contrary. Surely some sort of communication breakdown.Truly its a case of what is and what should never be. How many more times are we gonna hear the crunge from his type!

Too many Immigrant songs from the tims, no quarter given by the huns. but when the levee breaks it will be poor old me thats swings from the gallows pole with all these Zeppelin refernces I will haave deserved it as well!

48 - No, it doesnt..but you are a bit of a pratt!

48 - and the reason i say that is not merely to be abusive but because you seem too willing to point at others and mention nothing about your own teams fans. What about the young motherwell player who suffered sectarian abuse by your own fans and why have I been in Fir Park and heard Motherwell fans sing this crap as well (on a few occasions - not just once) Celtic have an undeniable problem but why pretend that its only a Celtic Rangers thing when it clearly isnt!

*Hugh Hefner... at least you put some thought into yer (admittedly) crap posts but yer leaving me Dazed and Confused - I'm no baddie and I'm not favouring one side of the OF over the other - they are both as bad as one another hence the symbiotic reference- nevertheless this OF schtick cuts No Quarter with me...

Ramble On indeed

Mr Heffner you have obviously been sleeping with too many birds (not). Yes Motherwell have a section of idiots in their ranks, as do most "diddy" teams. The thing is we normal fans stand up against this and roundly crticise it. You and people like you just perpetrate the misty eyed myth of the old country and the arnmed struggle or some god forsaken battle in 1690 and some Orange guy called Billy. Get a life, grow up and let your hatred go. Honestly it is great out here with the normal folk.

A real red letter day. To find that I'm in agreement with Blue NoseNZ, Media 1 and Sons of Erin is more than I should be asked to take in one day.

Actually it is only with some of what they say. In essence, we cannot take the OF from Scottish Football, and it is not really sensible to consider who gains/loses the most in this arrangement. Its like comparing your clubs team from the fifties to the one from the nineties; good fun, but nothing more.

There is a problem with religion in Scottish Football, because our football reflects our society, perhaps not accurately and perhaps not in parallel, but it is there. To attempt to take religion out of Scottsh football is like trying seperate oil and water. We are not a tolerant society, despite what we like to believe. We used to smugly think that racism was an English problem, yet we were and still are just as guilty. Religion will stay, WE have to change and alter how we think of one another. Focus more on what we have in common, than what seperates us.

All sides need to rethink what they really want, and find some common ground to move forward. NOT just the OF fans, but fans from all of Scottish teams and from all parts of the country. We know that both Glasgow sides have buses from all corners of Scotland and the UK coming to games so it is NOT just a West problem. The West is where the two clubs are located, but it involves all parts of the country.

It is also fatuous to try and justify which of your songs are marginally less offensive than another clubs songs. Have we all not indulged in something at a game, that if our wives or children could see us, would embarrass us. Even just booing a player because everyone else does it and it is just for a laugh.

When at a match to watch my team, I have been subjected to remarks from some nearby, because I refuse to "stand up if I hate ****** or ******* "

I am not interested in anyone except the team I have come to watch. To thi

60 Chuky away and lance your hatred boil.

#61 No apologies required great post - sums it up really.

Chucky #60 - The difference is that the real Motherwell fans immediatley shouted the morons down and stood up against the monkey chants by pointing the idiots out to the police. Their owner issued a public apology immediately. When do the OF fans do anything like this? They just sit there and allow the morons to spout their bile. And before you sart we have the same problem at Hearts.

"You and people like you just perpetrate the misty eyed myth of the old country and the arnmed struggle"

As fredrick Neitzche said: "above all do not confound me with what i am not"

I couldnt give a dogs c8ck about armed struggles or some gay guy called william and I think its you who has fallen asleep after too many Birds Angel Delight. I started off (well my second - but come on, Celtic an Anti-semetic outfit - where did that come from) advising my rioghteous bretheren that even though we are "The greatest fans in the world" Copyright UEFA (yeah Im joking) that there is still a lot of room for improvement. But you just cling on to the delsusion that its a llthe fault of the OF. Heres a question for you - do you think 5000 Celtic fans will ever come to Fir Park and NOT sing offensive songs? Slim chance but possible - but do think theres even the slim chance if Motherwell fans chuck sectarian crap at them. No chance. Not saying that its the fault of Motherwell fans or indeed that Motherwell have a greater problem than Celtic - that would be ridicuolous - but it takes two to tango and the diddy teams like to dabble in a bit of it as well. You admit it but you dont seem to be willing to attribute any blame on your own doorstep. These contribute to the bad atmosphere that im sure your only too quick to comment on.
You might only do it when we are in town - but I only abused Mark Walters for being black (I was about 12 and Im eternally ashamed) when he showed up at Parkhead with a rangers top on. Does that make it ALL his fault or am I somehow to blame for the spectacle that day. (Dont answer that one, it was deliberatley stupid)

#61 Chuck D: Good post.

Maybe you are right, religion in football is here to stay. But I have faith that it will be rooted out!

Drunk driving is an anti social act. People who say they drove drunk are viewed as idiotic, mindless twits by society and we can achieve the same level of social unacceptance with regards to religion in football. Or at least I think we can!

#65 hUGH HefNER: Must you always respond with vile and abusive words everytime another poster out smarts you?

Cmon lad; there is no need for the continued anger, resentment and hatred that you display on a daily basis. Grow up and move on for goodness sake!

I dont know what your on about - I have been on the forums for 9 nomths and have yet to be outsmarted - I leave the abuse because Im genuinely not a nice person. if I can get to Bank Station in the morning without kicking a beggar then you can bet Im late for work.

#68 hUHG HefNER: Ok. That is utterly acceptable!

If you are genuinely not a nice person, then there is no reason for you to behave differently on the forum. In light of this information I understand your position. We are all different, some us are nice, some of us aren't, at least you have told us what sort of person you are.

When I say outsmarted, I mean out of your depth. Thats all

you wrote outsmarted son, if you said it - I definately never heard you. Out of my depth - there are certainly many ways in which one might find themeselves 'out of their depth' - my friend helps mentally handicapped adults - hes kind of like a social worker .....I figure that being out of my depth in discussions with you is similar with the out of my depth if I were be his substitute for a day. Cozx I wouldnt know what the f*ck these spangles were on about - as I often do with you!

Decent footballing fans who are Celts and Bears should unite to marginalise these so called 'fans' in order that in the future both clubs and their fans can make genuine claims to be bigot free.

Who has the bigger problem/greater history in this regard can be argued till we are all grey in the hair but what is relevant that both are tarred with this.

For me I would like to reciprocate the generosity and honesty of bluenose #7 and say the quicker CFC rid the place of all the remaining morons the better.

The last decade or so since Fergus took over has saw a dramatic overhaul in that regard and I will say many friends at the time felt uncomfortable with the speed and general direction of McCann's modernising goals.

We all know now that it was one of the best things he did for Celtic.
I now hope that Murray, McCoist and Co can continue with the good work already done at Ibrox and initiate significant change within the Gers faithful.

You know, we have more in common than you think.

Media 1

Never answered the question as to why you pretend to be a Hearts fan when clearly from last seasons threads you identify yourself as a RFC fan?

#72 Bosco Bhoy: You appear to be obsessed with my footballing loyalty. I am a Jambo, end of story.

I just love the OF banter. It is the most laughable drivel available. As I previously stated, I just find Celtic the sadder of the two sads. Thats all really!

I respect Walter Smith and I respect WGS, but for different reasons. WGS was a tremendous footballer who gave his all for Scotland, and no TRUE member of the tartan army will ever forget his contribution. WS was our national manager and he lifted our spirits and gave us a new found sense of purpose. He has done the same at Rangers and I love pointing that out.

Are you really a Celtic fan? I mean really?

73 - we dont have to ask if your really a 'spangle' do we , I mean really?

#74 Hugh HEfner: I am not familiar with your choice of words. I apologise, but I do not understand the common tongue. Perhaps you would be so kind as to translate it for me.

Thank you old chap.

Oh Media 1 is very much a Jambo. He is a Romanista. He toes the party line and has given his full backing to the Five Year Plan.

Media 1

Did you not describe yourself on a thread from last season as a Rangers fan?

#76 Johnny Jambo: A Romanista indeed.

I call it (Vl adimirer) I admire his sense of belief and respect his unwavering confidence. He is a no nonsense man who will deliver on time.

He does frustrate the hell out of me sometimes, but he is the man and I support him for now.

Media 1

You very rarely post on any Hearts articles, strange for Jambo eh?

#77 Bosco Bhoy 1 : Why on Earth would I do that?

The future is maroon my friend.

Media 1

Did you not describe yourself on a thread from last season as a Rangers fan?

Why if your a Jambo?

Simple question.

#79 Bosco: No its not strange. I read the articles and keep myself up to date with the Hearts news.

But the laugh I get in here from the OF fans is priceless. As I said, I just see Celtic as the saddest of the two sads. Thats all

Media 1

It will only take minutes to track down the link that was provided in the last week or so showing a thread form last year so why all the bu** shi*?

Sad, interesting. I think that is how i would describe somebody who pretends to support one club just to facilitate he doesnt lose face in any debates.

Chucky

Media 1 always disappears when the tough questions start.

Dont understand him at all, why would you deny who your team are?

BTW
Hope the bears get stuffed tonight and i have a sneaky feeling it wont be as easy as they are predicting.

Inevitably, like Chinese whispers these threads ALWAYS turn to bigotry and “hate” threads by the few OF supporters who have no interest in football whatsoever. Would be an interesting party game. Put these morons in a room, one Celtic fan then a Gers fan and so on…give the first a footy story and wait for the last to drivel out any number of bigotry, hate ridden, foul mouthed comments.

Ironically there are numerous, so called, Celtic fans on these threads who start off by stating how un-bigoted they and the Celtic fans are and finish off with hate filled bigoted rants. Three words come to mind, Pot, kettle and black!

Sadly, I would agree that Ibrox is finding it harder than Parkhead to rid the stands of sectarianism. However, it's obvious to see that there are some, not all I may add, Celtic supporters unable to concede what is and what is not sectarian or bigoted. Claiming that a terrorist organization is not sectarian and singing its reverence during a football match is a lost cause. I think Chuck (post 61) put it very well and that the stands of Scottish Football reflect, in part, our overall society and it is therefore a heavy burden to put on our football clubs. That said, it has to start somewhere and maybe this is the correct path to take and decades from now we will remember how this problem was all but eradicated from our society because of the steps taken in our most popular sport.

I remember back in the 70’s, as a young boy being decked out in red, white and blue in the Main stand at Ibrox. I had just spent my pocket money on a King Billy pin and had it proudly displayed on my scarf when my uncle (Rangers daft, an Orangeman and a season ticket holder for his entire life) asked me why I had King Billy displayed on my Rangers scarf? “Why not?” I naively replied, “Isn’t that who we are? I bought it just outside to put on my scarf”. “And what does it have to do with Rangers?” he asked. “Take it off and put it away please”, he ordered.