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Celtic 1 - 0 Aberdeen: Insipid Celtic find their luck is turning at critical time



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Published Date: 21 April 2008
SIGNS and omens can have such a heavy presence in football, particularly when a league championship is on the line, that going to a match sometimes feels like stumbling into a pit of superstition.
Many Celtic supporters looking anxiously for portents of an end to the curse that seemed to have descended on their team during the recent series of set-backs that threatened to end their challenge for a third successive title would have been convinc
ed that they were to be seen in the 4-1 victory over Motherwell at Fir Park eight days ago.

The rest would, in all likelihood, reflect on the 2-1 triumph over their "bogey" opponents, Rangers, last Wednesday – especially given the timing of Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink's winning goal in the fourth minute of stoppage time – as unmistakable evidence that the hex had been lifted.

Solid contenders as those outings were, they would not compare with this latest visit of Aberdeen. What distinguishes this third leg of the winning treble from the first two is that the three points were secured despite Gordon Strachan's side producing their least impressive – and, even more significantly, their least deserving – performance of the series. This was a match which, only two weeks ago, Celtic would almost certainly have lost.

The clue, as always, is in the details. Aberdeen's first attempt at goal – indeed, just about their only one during a first half of seemingly endless tedium – was a powerful 25-yard drive from their captain, Scott Severin, which flew past Artur Boruc, the ball striking the inside of the goalkeeper's right post, hurtling across the goal line, bouncing off his other post and landing in his arms. In eerily similar circumstances at the same ground last month, Aberdeen scored the goal that eliminated Celtic from the quarter-finals of the Scottish Cup.

Conversely, the home side's goal was delivered by arguably the most frustrating and generally ineffective player on the field, Georgios Samaras. The often lumbering, unconvincing striker, who had taken the place of the injured Vennegoor of Hesselink in the starting line-up, was a source of deep irritation to an increasingly nervous home support before Barry Robson's perfectly measured free kick from the right gave him an unmissable chance from six yards, requiring only to make contact with his head to send the ball over the line.

But nothing in the game would be as riveting as the unbridled savaging of the referee, Iain Brines, by Zander Diamond, soon after the final whistle. As the Aberdeen defender, like a bee hopping from flower to flower, moved from one insult to the next, we were allowed, for a few blissful minutes, to forget the drudgery of the previous 90 minutes.

For Diamond, there will be nothing blissful about the consequences of his outburst, which will bring disciplinary action against the player by the SFA. The big defender's verbal mauling was prompted by the referee's decision – in tandem with a raised flag by the standside linesman, Keith Sorbie – to disallow the late goal with which Diamond seemed to have given Aberdeen an equaliser.

Brines, it should be said, whistled for a free kick to Celtic well before Diamond buried the ball behind Boruc and signalled a handball offence. From the stands, it was impossible to see what had occurred and, without access to a TV replay – the curse of the modern-day "live" reporter – to make a judgment.

Jimmy Calderwood, the Aberdeen manager, and Diamond both said they had been told that Brines had held the defender culpable, and both argued that was impossible, as he had headed the ball on to Barry Nicholson. To other witnesses, it seemed more likely that Nicholson may have used an arm to knock the ball back to Diamond, who then drove it into the net.

"I don't know how Brines thinks I could have handled the ball, but that just sums him up," Diamond began. "If he is one of Scotland's top officials, we are in trouble. At one point, he told me to leave the field because I was bleeding from the mouth. But, if he's seen blood, surely he should stop the game and then order me to leave.

"The play was going on when he told me to leave. But if I go off at that point and we lose a goal while I'm on my way, who's to blame for that? I'm sure the rule says he should stop play, but I don't know what rule he was reading. I don't know how he could have given handball against me when I scored. I asked Barry if it was him, because the ball was near his arm, but he said the ref had given it against me. That just bemuses me."

Whatever happened, the moment appeared to underline the sudden change in Celtic's fortunes, indicating that the ball is now running for them. Excepting the reliably dashing and teasing Aiden McGeady, there was about Strachan's side a general sluggishness and untidiness that is quite common and entirely predictable in the outing immediately following the kind of mental and physical demands made by the Old Firm match three days earlier.

Strachan would not be helped, either, by the unavailability of the injured trio, Paul Hartley, Vennegoor of Hesselink and Lee Naylor. Bobo Balde was a competent replacement for the suspended Gary Caldwell, but Mark Wilson looks less comfortable in Naylor's position of left-back, Massimo Donati is an inadequate deputy for the forceful Hartley and Samaras, despite his goal, could not compensate for Vennegoor of Hesselink's absence. In terms of the championship, and Sunday's crucial renewal of the Old Firm fixture – again at Parkhead – the significance of this latest scare is that Celtic should have come through undamaged.





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1

Teary Ennui,

21/04/2008 00:07:49
Celtic fans may moan about other decisions but the wrongly disallowed Diamond goal was nevertheless a huge slice of luck for their team. Maybe referees and linesmen aren't out to get them after all!
2

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 21/04/2008 00:37:27
#1 although youll notice again you wouldnt know what decisions celtic fans would moan about from this grim match report x
3

walshy,

21/04/2008 00:44:56


Linesman flagged for Nicholson's handball and the ref blew before Diamond scored.

What you don't read about in just about all the reports I've seen was the 2 other goals Samaras scored being chopped off while one was for offside. God only know what the other was chopped of for, Killen backhead to Samaras to run on and lob the ball over the keeper from outside the box. Brine hand up ran across to where Killen was and gave Aberdeen a freekick.

Killen jumped from a standing position straight up , the Aberdeen player as Killen jumped ran over and JUMPED INTO KILLEN with a raised arm..

That was a joke..
4

Colin P,

21/04/2008 00:56:55
Insipid?

Not even Rangers have been called that this season...lol
5

Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket 21/04/2008 00:57:31
missed three-quarters o this one (in retrospect a good thing, according to all who suffered through 90 minutes), however, from the little I did see, *two* perfectly good disallowed goals and a few other dodgy decisions to boot was enough. Enough as in *enough*, if Brines was replaced by one of those "Executive Decision Maker" toys, whereby you press a buttton and one of three lights marked "Yes, No or Not This Time" appears, be a vast and immediate improvement in standards. Seriously, SFA, cmon tae, there is no way anyone can justify this mans continuing career as a top-flight referee. Punters may moan about Brother Dougal midweek, but if we had Brines in that form in any OF tie, wouldda ended in a riot before hauftime.

Gemme oer, correct result, nae harm done (luckily) - otherwise, Mr Diamond, mair power tae yir mooth, about time someone stated the obvious regards the absolute incompentency of SPL refs.
6

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 21/04/2008 01:03:08
#4..i know in glenn gibbons first negative spin on celtic this season...xx
7

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21/04/2008 02:59:31
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Bosco Bhoy,

---Donegal--- 21/04/2008 05:59:43
C'mon Celtic keep the heads up and grind out these 3 pointers as i see every chance that the boys from down Govan way are in a position to bottle it.

Hail Hail
9

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 21/04/2008 06:05:14
Can't really comment on the game as I didn't see it (not even highlights over here).

Agree with #5 regarding folk speaking out about referees though.

I know they are only doing a job and have to call it as they see it at the time but there are times when you think to yourself "He's having a bloody laugh" when you see some of the decisions that are made in games.

I thought there was a 5th official (refereeing "supervisor") at most games these days to monitor the performance of referees during games..... they obviously spend more time queuing for pies and bovril than they do watching the games !!
10

Duude,

Dubai 21/04/2008 07:11:59
Didn't manage to see the game here as the coverage was replaced by the new cricket tournie in India......Thankfully.

3pts keeps the pressure on. When we go 8 pts clear we'll see if the hordes have the cahones.
11

ninenro,

21/04/2008 08:05:10
Hanging by a thread on the ref`s green and white under armour again. I make it about at least 12 points from strange ref decisions. They are still going tae win nothing now that is sad. I think Wattie should just give them a 15 point start next year !!!!
12

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21/04/2008 08:18:01
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ninenro,

21/04/2008 08:35:17
13
Yeah ! I bet you were just creasing yersell when big Dan slotted the winner ya mug !!!
14

Blou,

Still in 4 competitions 21/04/2008 08:40:34
No mention of coins being thrown at players at Parkhades, giro day must be tomorrow.

tgfitw
15

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 08:45:01
Even the Scots mhedia, in the form of Scotsport declared the sander decision a shocker.

Poor calderwood was told by brhines that "the ball hit his arm, wait til you see it on the telly".

We've seen it brhines, you coward.
16

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21/04/2008 08:47:32
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Norman,

21/04/2008 09:04:02
That's the form of champions, grinding out results when not playing well. Poor refereeing affects all clubs. (Anyone see the Dailly push in the box in yesterday's semi? And Cousin's dying swan act? )
18

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 09:06:32
Some of our brethren from across the city are beginning to squeak already. You can feel the pain in the posts

Roll on Sunday 5 pts clear, then we will get the big guns from the SPL shouting about the league extension.

Heard Tony Mowbray on the radio this week, his team have just had 6 games in 18 days (3 away games in one week) No league extension being discussed in England.


19

ninenro,

21/04/2008 09:17:09
19
Yet again the league extension is brought up by the Celtic minded. Do you honestly think that you can keep getting ref`s help until he season ends. It looks like you lot have already used up your quota of ref favours otherwise you may as well put it in writing that you are cheating. Face it can you ever win a game of football fair and square ? I doubt it !
20

Pat the Hat,

Baile atha Cliath 21/04/2008 09:17:18
As I've said, the league is down to Celtic's ability to win their last few games because this Rangers team are out on their feet.

I doubt that we are good enough to do this but we'll see.

The establishment will try to have the season extended to help out the brothers but it's imperative that the integrity of the league not be compromised.
21

viking nz,

new zealand 21/04/2008 09:20:26
yes thats the word Ive been looking for wgs all season , sorry since january ,.even poor boy wilson has lost his confidence. Yes insipid is the one that touches the bone .play the bad boy he has the touch .
22

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 09:42:56
20. The reason we raise the issue of the league extension is because it is inherently cheating. It is changing the rules after the game has started, to help Celtic, I think not.

By the way you obviously have a short memory I think we won the last game at Celtic Park last week. Only cheating to take place came from Carlos in a blue shirt.

23

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21/04/2008 09:59:12
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CHUCKY,

21/04/2008 10:04:07
#24 We asked for a delay to the kick off to the apparent 'league decider' against rangers at ibrox in 2003 when we came back from Boavista on the Thursday night.

McLeish's words were

"We would love to be in Celtic's situation with regards to fixture congestion as it would mean we were being successful"

What goes around comes around.

The season WILL be extended.
25

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 10:15:49
27 We were in the same position in 2003 and we could not even get the time of the match changed let alone the season extended. The timing of the match decision was because Rangers did not want to change it. You seen McLeish's comments above. Why should Celtic agree to a league extension, it is not in our interest, and as a Celtic supporter I would expect Celtic to fight any extension proposal via the High Court if necessary.
26

Brother Walfrid,

21/04/2008 10:16:25
Not what you would call 'balanced' reporting.

Samaras scored what appeared to be a perfectly good goal which would have put Celtic 2V0 up.

Mr Gibbons CHOSE not to even mention that.

The Sunday Herald is the only paper to have mentioned it, suggesting that Samaras must have been off-side, but as will be seen, that is a rediculous hypothesis as there were two Aberdeen players in front of him when Killen ( who was fouled as he did so ) knocked the ball on for Samaras to run onto.
27

Brother Walfrid,

21/04/2008 10:21:55
Rangers will not get an extension.
The sfa will no doubt be itching to assist, but they can't be seen to be giving Rangers a leg up.

They might compromise and put Wee Mikey in charge of all Rangers' remaining games.
28

CHUCKY,

21/04/2008 10:31:56
I imagine they (SFA) are gagging for a positive rangers result on Sunday which they presume will take the heat off.

I think the other 3 sides in the race for 3rd will have a say which will not please rangers........but since when did that matter?

Postponing the Gretna game, reducing the ground level of their pitch making it prone to flood is coming back to haunt them.
Not to mention the SFA cancelling the fixtures ONE WEEK before a Scotland game......rediculous.
29

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 10:39:35
28-31

What's it like to be Oppressed?

Saddos!
30

ninenro,

21/04/2008 10:41:14
23
Short memory eh ! How about this for cheating. 1st min Robson elbow in face of Dailly red card, McGeady slap on Novo straight red, Hartley on McCulloch straight red, Very poor of Castlemilk assault on Novo straight red and McDonald for two yellows for deliberate hand ball and worst attempted dive. None of these were given and certainly affected the result of the game. So I ask again can Celtic in all honesty win a match without the ref`s help ? I make it at least 12 points in freeby`s fae the refs maybe more if you look close enough.
31

Jo Jo,

21/04/2008 10:45:01
A one sided and bigoted viewpoint as per usual from the MOPE's.

You only see what "offends" you and not what goes for you.

Falkirk
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers

To name but 4 games where you have had disgraceful and some would say "tainted" decisions going for you but as per usual not a peep from the MOPE about them.

And Rangers have not asked for an extension to the season.

And #31....still spewing bile and lies i see.

Nothing changes when you're a dyed in the wool mope bigot.
32

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 10:48:02
33 Going by the last 3 posts (32, 33 & 34) it seems you should know.

34 That as usual is your revisionist look at the game through blue tinted goggles. You were well and truly played off the park and if I could be bothered I would list the RFC offences. Except the most obvious one where the assult by Weir was ignored just before you scored.

See we can all play the same game
33

Seoras67,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 10:48:12
Yes, Aberdeen might have valid grounds for complaint re their disallowed effort. Yet, Celtic had 2 goals disallowed, the 2nd one in particular having nothing wrong with it. Yet no mention of this in the always impartial, even minded, totally fair Scottish media. Balanced reporting, the sooner it arrives in C21st Scotland the better.
34

I-Mac,

21/04/2008 10:49:19
"The Sunday Herald is the only paper to have mentioned it" (31)

The Sunday Mail mentioned it.

Celtic get a lucky break from a referee and still their fans think there's some conspiracy against them!
35

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 10:50:35
35 good to see you have adopted a fair and biopic view of the situation. A real study in fair play and listening to both sides of the argument. Good for you.
36

I-Mac,

21/04/2008 10:54:30
This blether about "extending the season" is somewhat bogus. It's not laid down anywhere that no league game can be played after May 18 under any circumstances. League matches have even been played after the Cup final before now.
37

chillinbeans,

21/04/2008 11:02:41
#28

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/2952541.stm

Read the link back to 2003.

The previous 'championship decider' back in 1999 left the police with no option to demand the game go ahead on the date.

Celtic played Motherwell after the split to accomodate their UEFA cup run..and Motherwell were then in the bottom six.
38

Jo Jo,

21/04/2008 11:06:14
#39

And your point....or are we not allowed to point out the flaws in the MOPE's arguments.

Same as post 41 has done.
39

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 11:07:31
The difference being we played motherwell after the split similar to what you are doing this season. Not after the last fixture date. The season was not extended for Celtic nor should it have been.

40

CHUCKY,

21/04/2008 11:07:55
#41 Celtic have been made to play twice in the same day by the SFA......and won.

#35 I think you will find that it is certainly more than Celtic fans who hate the bias shown towards rangers, Dundee Utd and Hearts for starters.

We fully accept that we get favourable decisions as well as the dodgy ones against THAT is football.

What grips the rest of us is that rangers never lose a game or points to a 'dodgy' decision.
41

Jo Jo,

21/04/2008 11:09:48
#44

Aye ok Chunky...if you know your history indeed.

Aberdeen
Dundee Utd

That's 2 for starters this season MOPE.
42

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 11:14:51
42 My point , which has obviously flown over your head is that you cannot ever see that the truth often falls between your point and that of the opposing point of view. You accuse a fellow poster of being a bigot in one of your earlier posts. I went back to read the post that you referred to and could find no bigotted comment.

I know that my view of football is usually tinged with green but I can accept that there are other points of view, what I find unacceptable are the accusations of bigotry because someones view of life is somewhat different to your own.
43

ninenro,

21/04/2008 11:22:05
44
See 34
44

ninenro,

21/04/2008 11:26:43
47
Never a truer word posted on here ! Last week with Strachan claiming that he never knew about the late red cards was classic deflection from all the poor ref decisions that went their way and the throwing of missiles ! It stopped any chance of debating the truth ! Blatant is the word !!
45

jerrymanders,

21/04/2008 11:37:41
#4

Your team hasn't reached those heady heights. Yesterday being the case in point!
46

Bosco Bhoy,

21/04/2008 11:52:14
If reasonable people who claim to be genuine football fans cant admit its a tad strange that many media sources found it easy enough to point out one crucial mistake in the Celtic-Aberdeen match, but why not point out the other which in effect would mean they sort of cancel each other out.
47

Bosco Bhoy,

21/04/2008 11:53:59
49
Why no mention of 'missiles' that were thrown at Robson from RFC fans?
48

trueblue,

21/04/2008 11:57:56

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Release the final fixture list on Monday!
By Grandmaster Suck

Sunday, 20th April 2008
Now that Rangers have qualified for the UEFA Cup semi-finals and the Scottish Cup final there is no longer any reason not to release the final set of fixtures.
There would need to be two alternative sets of fixtures. One set would obviously be based on progress and one on being beaten by Fiorentina.

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There are only two scenarios available to the SPL.


(a) Rangers qualify for the Uefa Cup Final

or

(b) Rangers don't qualify for the Uefa Cup Final.


Surely they can release 2 fixture lists? The first based on the premise that we qualify and second on that we don't.



One other factor to bear in mind is that the police apparently require 10 days' notice.

THU 24 APR: Fiorentina (H) - UEFA Cup Semi Final
SUN 27 APR: Celtic (A)
THU 01 MAY: Fiorentina (A) - UEFA Cup Semi Final
SUN 4 MAY: Hibs (A)
WED 7 MAY: Motherwell (H)
SAT 10 MAY: Dundee United (H)
WED 14 MAY: UEFA Cup Final
SUN 18 MAY: Aberdeen (A)
SAT 24 MAY: Scottish Cup Final

Still to be scheduled:
St Mirren (A) - SPL
Motherwell (A) - SPL




Arguments against the extension of the season are spurious. Former Celtic players Bertie Auld and Tommy Gemmell have claimed in that in previous seasons 'Celtic were forced to play three games in five days' - in fact they CHOSE to play those games on that occasion because they wanted to have everything out of the way before playing Liverpool in a friendly at Anfield and already had the league wrapped up.

Claims that the Scottish season has never been extended is a lie.

70/71 - Celtic won the league - they played three games after the official end of the season.

71/72 - Celtic won the league - they played one game after the official end of the season.

73/74 - Celtic
49

trueblue,

21/04/2008 11:59:00
part 2

73/74 - Celtic won the league - they played three games after the official end of the season.

Tosh McKinlay claimed that "we" - ie Scotland - did not extended the season when Dundee United played in the 1987 UEFA Cup. Yes we did, United played a league fixture after the official end of the season.

Gordon Strachan weighed in with his unbiased view that when Aberdeen won the European Cup Winners Cup they did so in a season where they played 73 games so Rangers should get on with it. In fact they played 60 games.

Need I go on?
50

trueblue,

21/04/2008 12:01:30

Bosco Bhoy your readings not quite up to scratch think if u read back the papers did mention missiles been throw at robson but the thing is celtics held accountable for things that happen inside their ground same as any other club or is that paranoia or your part as well
51

trueblue,

21/04/2008 12:06:20

jerrymanders erm how can u sit there and Criticse rangers you lot were knocked out bye aberdeen who were then hammered bye queen of the south so where does that put celtic ?????
52

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 12:13:43
51 Your comments are to be welcomed, I'm lovin in it too. But was the "slice of luck" evened out by Samaras' goal being chopped off.
53

Bosco Bhoy,

21/04/2008 12:16:23
56 trueblue

I am fully aware that Celtic or any club for that matter are 'responsible' for how fans behave inside the stadium. What i would say is what can any club do stop the one idiot in 60 odd thousand who decides to act like a prize pillock?

My point re Rangers fans throwing coins is that its not just daft tims who do it and btw i made the same point in defence of RFC fans when they visited Barcalona and got crucified for getting pissed and do the toilet in public. At the time i stated that many fans of clubs act in this manner.
54

ninenro,

21/04/2008 12:23:25
53
They big bad proddy bigot Rangers fans are throwing streamers at me !! Joker !!
55

trueblue,

21/04/2008 12:30:08
Bosco Bhoy i was just stating that the missile throwing bye rangers fans was reported when you said there was no mention of it of course both sides do it same as they sing their songs be it at the game or else where it will always exist its the pc people who do no wrong that make me sick
56

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 12:31:22
60 There you go again, RFC fans "only threw streamrs" where as the CFC are 10 x worse because they thre coins.

Fact is both sides had muppets in the crowd who were out of order. Get a life and realise that Rangers have as many , if not more , morons than any other club
57

paulmac,

Surrey 21/04/2008 12:33:27
#51

As Hugh Dallas pointed out.....the ref didn't award a goal.....only a free kick.....

Stop greetin.....yer worse than a woman!
58

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 12:43:00
62
Toothy Dan

Stop the lies and we'll all get along better.
59

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 12:44:02
64 point out 1 lie please.
60

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 12:45:41
64

Is that the same Hugh Dallas, brought to his knees, with blood streaming down his face by the baying scum which go to P'heid; albeit only noo and again?

61

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 12:46:40
Toothy

Ye lie all the time FFS
62

ninenro,

21/04/2008 12:47:55
62
Not even in the same league as you lot when it comes to crowd disorder at our respective stadiums. Intimidation from the Celtic minded is rife and the most recent was McGregor having acid thrown over his bentley then there are previous attacks on homes of Novo Albertz and Barry in Bothwell. So don`t give it it`s the same on both sides as it ain`t by a long shot. Ask Hugh Dallas !! 13 windows put in wae a golf club !! After having his head split open during the game !!
63

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 12:54:24
67 I asked for 1 instance where I have lied. Not your revisionist b@llocks. Deal with facts please . I am still waiting. Irony of ironies, your favourite number post 67.
64

trueblue,

21/04/2008 12:57:35
Tuatha De Dannan how can u say weve got more morons nice think the only one her being a morons you .. nice unbigoted answer u gave m8 well thought out ...not
65

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 12:57:59
Toothy The Liar

67, yeah you could get to final in 67 by beating 4 PUB teams.

Want their names Toothy.
66

Brother Walfrid,

21/04/2008 12:58:34
68

Well, whatever may have happened to Rangers players, none of them were offered 24/7 protection by the police, or advised to give up their international careers by MI5.

Muppet
67

Westendger,

21/04/2008 12:58:36
#21-Pat, the integirty of the league was lost when the SPL decided that Dundee Utd had to play after O'Donnell's death against them yet let Celtic not play. For the record I am not saying Celtic should've played only that it was a disgrace to make UTd play.

The league will only be extended if Rangers reach the UEFA Cup final, not to give us an edge in the league but a fair crack at winning a European trophy. This, I believe is right. Celtic moved a game before the UEFA Cup final in 2003 to give them a week to prepare for Seville so a precedent has been set. The problem this time stems from all the the postponements and cancelled games earlier on but this should not affect any decision in my opinion.

68

Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:01:29
68 Do you really want to go down this route, Last time we played at Ibrox a Celtic fan had his throat slit by your compatriots in Belfast for having the cheek to wear his footbal top.

Last season two kids stabbed in Govanhill for being Celtic fans. Lets stop the your worse than we are cr@p because the hooligan element on both sides is just that "a bunch of no brain muppets" who use football as their outlet for violence.
69

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 13:02:25
73

OOOOH brother walfrid.

Bet you're first to ladyboy samaras's shower cubicle after thwe match.

Weirdo!
70

trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:02:38
dont know where you live Brother Walfrid but if lennon as the same as anybody goes through glasgow looking for trouble hell find it eventually and im not knocking glasgow,i was born and brought up there and i mean brought up not dragged up like some
71

Bosco Bhoy,

---Donegal--- 21/04/2008 13:05:34
This thread seems to going downhill with mature talk of how poor Celtic's opponents were in the rounds leading to the European Cup final in 67 and a list of alleged incidents involving criminal acts carried out by Celts, its not like Rangers fans of that matter any other clubs fans do bad stuff is it?
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trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:05:37
Tuatha De Dannan, so what your saying it doesnt happen the other way not the first time i seen guys been attacked for being rangers fans or spat on or young kids age 5 or 6 being abused for wearing rangers tops get ya green specs off m8
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:06:54
71 Once again you failed to read the post properly The statement was you have "as many, if not more" ie probably as many as Celtic and more than likely more than any other scottish club mainly because of the size of your support.

As usual you then try and throw the "bigot" phrase, about a post where I was trying to point out the wrong on both sides.
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ninenro,

21/04/2008 13:06:55
75
I am talking about intimidation of officials and players not the general public as we could go down A & E and be there forever. Nice attempt at deflection yet again !! Almost forgot Arteta had his porche damaged as well !!
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Daillyman,

21/04/2008 13:08:02
The fixture congestion would not be an issue if the Gers had the same record as the tic in cup competitions this season, thank goodness we don't.

RFC have not requested an extension and will play out the remaining league matches on their way to a least the domestic treble, and finishing the schedule by the required date.
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Bosco Bhoy,

21/04/2008 13:08:03
77 trueblue

Re lennon- sitting at traffic lights in his car would hardly qualify as looking for trouble.
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ninenro,

21/04/2008 13:08:16
73
MI5 !!! You really are a prize numpty !!!
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:08:53
79 Again you read what you want to hear. I was trying to stop these posts going down the route of "you lot are worse than us"

But hey why let the facts get in the way of a good rant
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:11:14
82 The fixture congestion would not have the current outlook if you had managed to beat hibs and thistle at the first time of asking, nor would it be an issue if you had not called off the Gretna game or had a pitch that was not under 6 inches of water for one of your cup games.
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trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:12:45
you started it m8 not like the truth back??? so lennon sitting at the traffic lights minding his own business not saying anything yeah right ok i believe you thousands wouldnt
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ninenro,

21/04/2008 13:13:11
How many incidents can be linked to Rangers with regards to player and official intimidation ? Facts ! They are the things you lot ignore !
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trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:14:20
Tuatha De Dannan could you read my post 54 again and try and take it in
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:15:31
67 Was a joke" I'm still waiting
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CHUCKY,

21/04/2008 13:18:13
#79 There were coins being thrown by the rangers support in the Lisbon Lions stand.

A lad quite close to me had his head cut by a 2p coin when Naka scored, the first aid folk patched him up and he saw the great end to the game.

ANY coward who launches missiles should be banned and let's not kid ourselves on that rangers supporters are lilly white here.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:19:39
I have read it, and I enjoyed it. As I have said over the last few months, Enjoy your success so far, play the games and get on with it. Stop using excuses and if you win the league you will deserve it. If you don't then it is fairly plain to see that success on all fronts in modern day football is extremely difficult.

Best of luck to you on Thursday, because you will need it. But I, like you would if the shoe was on the other foot, hope RFC suffer a couple of defeats along the way in the rest of the league programme.
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Brother Walfrid,

21/04/2008 13:19:41
That incident put paid to the lie ( as if it were needed ) that the wee narra peepel are confined to West of Scotland low income groups.

The two assailants were from the Aberdeen area and were medical students. Neds with money.
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trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:20:36
CHUCKY lol who said they were not us that go about thinking everybody loves us
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Daillyman,

21/04/2008 13:21:12
86

Or if the SFA had not called off league matches before an international, the Gretna match has been played, and we will take the fixture congestion which in part is caused by RFC winning cup replays and getting to the final, I bet you wish you could say the same, but can't as you were knocked out of all cups this season.

And remember the Jan 2nd match was called off because of the passing of P O'Donnel, which I agree was the proper thing to do, yet they made other SPL teams play their matches that day.
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trueblue,

21/04/2008 13:22:15
Brother Walfrid last word before i go to u m8 ..knob u trying to tell me theres no people on low income anywhere else rather than west of scotland shhh you better tell them their well off lol
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:23:50
95 Agree with you re the Phil O'Donnell situation the league programme should have beeen cancelled end of story. The worst decision of all was making Dundee Utd play, absolute disgrace,

and yes I wish it was Celtic in the cup games.
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Daillyman,

21/04/2008 13:30:26
97

Cheers
92

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 21/04/2008 13:31:45
90

Glad to see the penny's dropped about 67.

See you ramorra.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:39:57
99 That is why I used inverted commas (thats these things " ") It means I am referring to your title.

Once again you called me a liar which I object to strongly. I have asked you to point out just one single area where I have lied. You have chosen not to do so therefore I am "sure" you will be man enough to apologise.
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Daillyman,

21/04/2008 13:51:02
100 T D D

Don't hold you're breathe waiting for someone to apologise for calling you a liar.

I get the same comment (liar) every time Pax/Max/SS is online as I had said Jarosik took a dive when the Tic played Man Utd @ Parkhead and Naka scored from the free kick in the CL.

I suppose in some individuals eyes a difference of opinion equates to lies.

As Bemused said certain posters will never change so whats the point in their comments getting to you. Best to ignore them.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 13:59:58
101 Agreed

Ps I reckon "Jarosik went down easily"
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Pat the Hat,

Baile atha Cliath 21/04/2008 15:47:17
#74 Westendger – Totally agree with you about the Dundee Utd situation. It was a disgrace to make them play when other games had been cancelled.

You are, however, being disingenuous when you use the fact that Celtic had a game moved before the Uefa Cup final. Dundee agreed to switch a game from the Saturday to midweek to facilitate Celtic, in the way that Rangers refused to do when asked by Celtic in 2003 and by Hearts last year. Shame on them.

Celtic had to play Rangers at 12.30pm on the Sunday after finishing the semi-final tie against Boavista late on Thursday night and less than 48 hours after returning to Glasgow. The fact that we then stuffed Rangers is neither here nor there.

And Celtic did not ask for or get an extension to the season in 2003. In fact, I don't recall a single request on the part of any media outlet or Scottish football official for Celtic to be helped win a European trophy by extending the season. And that was in a season without an international competition at the end of it.

It would be an outrage if this season were to be extended. No doubt it will be.
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Wee Pal Joe,

21/04/2008 15:54:39
"Dundee agreed to switch a game from the Saturday to midweek to facilitate Celtic, in the way that Rangers refused to do when asked by Celtic in 2003 and by Hearts last year." (#103)

In fact the Celtic v Dundee situation was the opposite of the two games involving Rangers. The European game came after the Celtic v Dundee match so Celtic were getting help with the European game. The European games were before the two games involving Rangers, so Hearts and Celtic would have been helped in the games against Rangers.

"Celtic had to play Rangers at 12.30pm on the Sunday after finishing the semi-final tie against Boavista late on Thursday night and less than 48 hours after returning to Glasgow."

Plenty of teams have played Thursday and Sunday.
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Invisible,

21/04/2008 15:59:30
#103 Pat: Dundee switched the game to help Celtic in Europe. When you asked Rangers to switch the game in 2003, it was purely to help Celtic in the league - a completely different situation. No wonder Rangers refused. If the Rangers game had been scheduled for before your European fixture, Rangers may well have agreed to have it moved - the situation never arose, so we we don't know either way. You suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

As for not having the season extended, trueblue at #54 has listed several occasions when the league was extended and Celtic played several fixtures after the league's official end date. I don't know how accurate his list is (I'm not interested enough to look into it), but it seems very unlikely that he'd have made up something that can so easily be verified. So, it would actually be an outrage if the league wasn't extended, seeing as it has been extended to help Celtic in the past.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 21/04/2008 16:25:32
#105..do you want to guess how accurate the list in #54 is ..x
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 21/04/2008 16:30:44
Aberdeen, with a 15 game unbeaten run, led the league from December until the last week of the season. Aberdeen faced Celtic in their penultimate game needing a win to almost cetainly clinch the title, but could only draw 1-1: and then they lost their last game, at Falkirk, allowing Celtic to take the championship by 2 points.

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD PTS
1 Celtic 34 25 6 3 89 23 66 56
2 Aberdeen 34 24 6 4 68 18 50 54

makes it pointless to look beyond this...x
#105 and what sort of cretin would make something up thats so easily disproved..you have your answer
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Pat the Hat,

Baile atha Cliath 21/04/2008 16:45:14
105 Invisible: So you are saying that games should not be moved to help one team win the league? I agree.
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Wee Pal Joe,

21/04/2008 16:58:04
I wouldn't expect Celtic to move an Old Firm game to make it easier for Rangers to win that Old Firm game.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

21/04/2008 17:19:34
Congaratulations to Aiden Mc Geady for his double win yesterday. Well deserved, most entertaining footballer in the league by a mile.