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Alcohol experts want more restrictions to binge drinking plan



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Published Date: 01 October 2008
ALCOHOL experts in the Capital want the Government to impose inflation-busting price rises and ban large glasses of wine to help tackle binge drinking.
Ministers recently proposed a wide-ranging overhaul of alcohol laws, which includes a minimum price for drink in supermarkets and off-licences and raising the minimum age at which alcohol can be bought in shops to 21.

Action on Alcohol and Drugs i
n Edinburgh (AADE), a partnership of key bodies including the council, police and NHS Lothian, today broadly welcomed the plans, but called for further restrictions.

The Government has suggested a 35p minimum price per unit of alcohol, however the AADE said it should be as high as 50p to have an impact. That would nearly double the cost of some brands of cider, vodka and lager.

The experts also called for a return to the traditional standard size 125ml glass of wine served in bars, at the expense of the larger 175ml and 250ml sizes.

AADE, formerly headed by city drugs tsar Tom Wood, also wants a "social responsibility fee" for pubs in areas of over-provision and separate supermarket queues for people buying alcohol.

Drinks industry chiefs today said a price rise would penalise responsible drinkers.

But in its response to the Government's consultation, AADE said: "A minimum price of 35p per unit could still leave a unit of alcohol at a relatively inexpensive rate. A minimum of 50p is perhaps the lowest level that may have an impact when compared to the cost of living in other areas."

The response added: "AADE would support the introduction of 125ml glasses but would prefer only these measures to be available. Beer might also be standardised usefully as 250ml and 450ml or 330ml bottles."

But David Poley, chief executive of industry body the Portman Group, whose members manufacture more than 60 per cent of the alcohol sold in the UK, said: "Setting a minimum price for alcohol would be a tax on hard-working, responsible drinking Scots.

"Education has made a huge difference to drink-driving in the UK, changing both attitudes and behaviour significantly over the last 30 years.

"Campaigns, combined with robust enforcement of the law, can have the same impact on heavy drinking."

Members of AADE are split on whether to raise the minimum age of off-licence sales to 21, which they say could either "facilitate young people's development of skills in managing alcohol" by restricting them to pubs, or "deny individuals who are eligible to take on adult responsibilities the right to purchase alcohol outwith public houses".

Labour group health spokeswoman, Councillor Lesley Hinds, said: "Raising the age would demonise young people."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "The number of alcohol-related deaths has doubled in a decade, as has the incidence of alcoholic liver disease, while alcohol continues to fuel violence and undermine our economy. We need a response which is proportionate to the scale of the problem and we need to take action."





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  • Last Updated: 01 October 2008 10:55 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Randan,

01/10/2008 12:04:22
Wouldnt it just be more sensible to cut back on licensing hours. All these proposals seem unworkable to me.
2

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

01/10/2008 12:09:49
#1: Why should those of us who lie a late, quiet pint be punished because of the behaviour of those who can't handle their drink?

Better would be to limit the number of off-licences to few enough that the Licensing Committee could oversee them, and ensure that where they breach the law, the licence is permanently removed from that address.
3

elayne,

01/10/2008 12:16:30
or to take binge drinkers into an alcohol unit to see the real effects that binge drinking has!!!!it may be "fun"to get drunk every weekend whan your younger,but whats fun about your insides coming out and lying dying on a floor aged 43 of cirrhosis(this sadly happened to a freind of mine some years ago)an occasional drink is fine but when the party doesnt stop thats when folk should start worrying,folk think"oh i can handle it"but teh time may come when the damage is too far gone!more education,cut on liscencing hours is needed
4

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 12:30:34

Elayne you'er speling's atroscious..

are you yished?
5

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:31:05
These people are NOT experts. They are killjoy nanny-state moaners with nazi tendencies.

I will drink as much as I like, when I like and I will drink what I like. I will also handle my drink like a man and will not exhibit "anti-social behaviour".

They can stuff their daft ideas where the sun don't shine.
6

Mallory,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:34:00
Why not start prosecuting bar staff, managers and shop-keepers who serve alcohol to drunks?

Maybe if really heavy fines were imposed and individual as well as site licences permanently lost there would be less need to worry about those who want a late, quiet pint.

7

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:34:06
The health fascists strike again. It's laughable that the government can focus on taxing people into the ground while they provide next to no counselling services. It's typical of the narrow minded politicians that they put the cart before the horse.
8

elayne,

01/10/2008 12:36:07
#4 haha no im teetotal (truth is im dyslexic)
9

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:37:32
#6:

Well said.

It is already against the law to serve someone who is drunk.

They should enforce the existing laws before hitting the innocent with new ones.
10

Bigwull,

edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:39:00
PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK, NOW TAKE YOU'RE RELIGIOUS QUACKERY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS A**E.
11

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 12:41:40
This is the core problem with the SNP's proposed Scottish Alcohol Duty (SAD). It may be low at the moment but it's going to be the trojan horse through which every nanny stater will clamber upon to realise their dream of unaffordable alcohol and boarded up pubs.

Tackling the industrial strength stuff at first but before you know it, Top Deck will be a tenner.
12

elayne,

01/10/2008 12:42:13
#6 this can already happen,i work in a bar and i will not serve anyone who is too p***ed and limit the amount of certain drinks that are known to do the damage(eg aftershock etc).we keep a close eye on customers and how much they consume,if they get obnoxious or too rowdy,theyre "OOT THE DOOR"(granted its harder to monitor customers in busy city bars,i work in a wee pub in a small town)
13

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 13:01:48

I seen like an 88% alcohol Vodka advertised recently.
http://www.wineandspirit.com/balkan176.htm

£60 a bottle.
---

#8 sorry, never realised ;)
14

Duncan McD,

01/10/2008 13:09:53
#6 Your quite right. Why introduce new laws when we don't enforce those we have.

We police smoking, why not extend this to ensure licensed premises comply fully.
15

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

01/10/2008 13:10:42
1st its the smokers, now the drinkers who's next on the bible bashing do gooders hit list, the fatties????

I've said it since smoking ban, its only a matter of time before drinkers are given ration books for X amount of alcohol units they are allowed.

Pity they cant address REAL problems.
16

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 13:12:39
I think drinking should be banned inside bars. People should have to stand outside if they want a drink. I am sick of loud obnoxious alcohol drinkers while I sip my orange juice.
17

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 13:24:19

BAN:

Rebus novels
Margiotta's
The Scott Monument
Earwax
Halitosis
Fallen arches
Symbiosis
Bees
Post-natal abortion
Involuntary euthanasia
Prams on buses
Paul Weller
Vinyl Villains
18

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 13:49:18

Cheap cinema tickets
Space exploration
Mortgages
Thermal vests
Jenners
Booncy Castles
Anthropomorphic tv animations with sean Connery
Weir's Way
Late Call
Coopers Fine Fare
Corstorphine
Ectoplasm
UFOs
Gail Porter
1940
Fatties buying Greggs products
Marillion reissues
19

Epicuras,

01/10/2008 13:53:21
has it not occured to the 'experts' and politicians, that the nanny state is what is driving us all to drink - scrap all laws and start agin from scratch.
I'm no christian (or any other religeon) but the 10 commandments, bar the silly ones about designed to keep folk under the control of the 'priests' are all we really need along with some common sense. - so 5 or 6 laws in total ( e.g. don't kill or steal), and job done, no need for politicians at all and everybody's happy - I'll dribnk to that!
20

elayne,

01/10/2008 13:57:47
#17 dont ban fallen arches(sore though they are)and vynil villians,marillion reissues,,go ahead and ban,bees though,and fat folk buying stuff from greggs(clog up the queue when you want a wee crumpet or a scone )
21

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 13:58:43
#19:

You are closer to the truth than you may first think.

If you treat people like idiots, they will behave like idiots. Proven fact.
22

Lianachan,

Highlands 01/10/2008 14:05:23
#13 £60 is a rip-off! Google the name of the vodka, and you can get get it for more or less half of that!
23

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 14:12:07

#17 - ok first 3 Marillion albums allowed only, plus the live album

#22 - thanks for the tip ;)
24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

01/10/2008 14:22:56
How come dyslexic people can always manage to spell "dyslexic"?
25

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 14:37:58

#24 because the spelling problems associated with dyslexia, ironically, aren't to do with being bad at spelling. It's to do with the way the brain processes different letter shapes... so a word like dyslexia is fairly easy for someone with dyslexia to spell, because it has a) no shape repetition, b) no letter repetition c) as a sufferer of the condition, you'd be bound to remember how to spell it.

26

Bored,

01/10/2008 15:08:24
Alcohol Experts? - Rubbish.

The vast majority of the drinking public drinks responsibly. These so called experts should use their questionable expertise to discover why a minority drink to excess and solve that problem. However, they chose to use the quick fix and batter everyone with the same club.

Alcohol experts - my ar5e. This body involves the council, how expert can it be?
27

Xena - Warrior Princess,

01/10/2008 15:16:13
It doesn't matter what anyone says this will go the way of the smoking ban, drip, drip, drip until the public are brainwashed into believing drink is the new evil of society. They get away with it because they are so self righteous that they can't possibly be wrong.
28

NotaNumberYet,

01/10/2008 16:30:07
#27 - they'll get away with it because they'll be the last ones standing. The poor sods.
29

Xena - Warrior Princess,

01/10/2008 16:35:07
#28 Very true it's not often I actually laugh at the comments on these boards.
30

fresian,

edinburgh 01/10/2008 16:35:15
25 & 25, the longest running game in the world is dyslexic I Spy.

I spy with my little eye something beginning with ...C


Desk, Horse, Pylon, Motorbike, Window, Elephant, Banana................and on..
31

Mallory,

Edinburgh 01/10/2008 16:40:31
#12 Elayne

I'm sure there are lots of responsible bar-staff like yourself but just taking a walk around Lothian Road, Tollcross, Grassmarket etc shows that someone somewhere is serving or selling too much booze to drunks and that loads are being 'shown the door' to displace the problem.

How much pressure is placed on managers by the brewers and club owners and when was the last time anyone you knew get the sack or have their lost their licence?
32

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 01/10/2008 16:53:59

#30 you are a cheaky dastarb, and you can get to Falkrik
33

fresian,

edinburgh 01/10/2008 17:06:28
#32, I certainly am not... I can assure you that my parents were married
34

calum,

01/10/2008 17:46:15
AADE or EDAT set up by the Council to make suggestions about regulation of alcohol when the answer lies with the licensing and enforcement authority .......yes, the Council. Tom Wood was a good wee employee who did what his employers told him whilst alcohol and drug related issues got worse and worse. Can we have our money back please.
35

Journalistic licence,

01/10/2008 18:57:08
#25 "as a sufferer of the condition, you'd be bound to remember how to spell it."

What happens if you're a dyshlexshic olcahiloc with Alzsheimersh?
36

ange24,

edinburgh 01/10/2008 20:02:11
why is it that the goverment or so called councils always try and solve a problem by making money out of it!!!and where does this extra money actually go?instead of taxing the people even more why not give out tougher punishment to those that cant enjoy a drink without becoming a ned!!If this country toughened up a little or shall i say ALOT instead of playing in the hands off morons and the "agghh you cant touch me"schemies maybe us decent people would have a chance and be able to sit and chill with a drink instead of having to worry that we have enough to pay for the drink!!
37

elayne,

01/10/2008 20:30:04
#31 there are a few of us who feel a certain responsibility to work within the law,but as i pointed out,its cant be easy in a big bar or club in the centre of town on a weekend,to my knowledge i dont know any bar (in my town)that has lost its license,we also have regular police visits towards the end of the evening which is reassuring for us,they just pop in to make sure people drink up and b***er off,but in the city it is different i suppose,but any bar staff worth their salt can assess a customer pretty well(i dont take no **** when behind a bar lol)
38

Decent,

01/10/2008 20:40:09
Mmmm regular police visits eh? Do they get the other punters to b****r off so they can enjoy their free beer in peace?
39

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 02/10/2008 00:49:19
last post 20:40:09 ?? I'm just back frim the boozer. What was this story all about ? I skimmed it but none the wiser. How's ma shares - has them far east stock markets opened yit? Soon be tooth hurty
40

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 02/10/2008 11:16:48
It may well be difficult to keep an eye on customers drunkenness but it is certainly not helped by the many pubs & clubs who don't care what state their customers get into.

I've worked in more than a few places where it has been made very clear to us that it could be more than our job was worth to refuse service - Policies like "only refuse them if they are sick on the bar or can't get their money out" are surprisingly common.

Also, don't even start me on the number of places who treat you like a freak for ordering a soft drink.

 

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