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Fate played part says Ferguson as Busby Babes drive United to glory



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Published Date: 22 May 2008
SIR Alex Ferguson took his glorious career as manager of Manchester United to new heights last night with a second Champions League triumph, lifting the trophy after a dramatic penalty shoot-out with Chelsea in Moscow.
Ferguson said his players were inspired by the prospect of lifting the trophy on the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster where eight Manchester United players lost their lives.

Several of the Munich survivors were at the Luzhniki Stadium to see history being made, with Sir Bobby Charlton leading the team up the steps of the main stand last night to collect the trophy.

"I said on the eve of the game that we wouldn't let the memory of the Busby Babes down," said Ferguson. "I think fate played its hand, just as it has all season. We had a cause which was very important. People with causes are difficult to battle against and I think fate was playing its part. I feel very, very proud."

Ferguson also insisted his United side could go on to successfully defend the trophy next season after a match which hung on the slenderest of threads.

Cristiano Ronaldo gave United the lead with a first-half header before Frank Lampard equalised just before half-time.

Didier Drogba was sent off in the second period of extra-time for slapping Nemanja Vidic in the face after a meaningless spat. The drama continued in the penalty shoot-out when Ronaldo missed and Chelsea captain John Terry stepped up to secure the prize for his side, only for his foot to slip and push his shot wide.

Victory was finally secured when United goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar saved Nicolas Anelka's spot-kick to give United a 6-5 victory on penalties.

Ferguson said: "It's my first victory in a penalty shoot-out apart from the Charity Shield. I've lost three with Aberdeen and three with United so this is seventh time lucky.

"We were fantastic in the first half but the goal gave them an impetus and they were the better team in the second half. But in extra-time I think we were the better team."

The United manager said the moment of Van der Sar's save was one of the greatest of his career. He was also delighted for Paul Scholes, who broke his nose in a clash with Claude Makelele but carried on to erase the disappointment of 1999 when he missed the final through suspension. Ferguson said: "I'm delighted for the boy. He is a fantastic person. People like Scholes, Giggs and Neville: they know what Man United means. They deserve that.

"When you win something, you have to look at the players eyes to see if the hunger is there. Defending the European Cup is not an easy thing to do (but] I think the team is good enough. They will improve next year. Scholes and Giggs will contribute, if not in as many games."

Ominously for his rivals, Ferguson added: "The great asset is I don't get carried away by it. It drains away quickly for me. Tomorrow I'll be thinking about next season."

The full article contains 533 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 22 May 2008 1:21 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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invictager,

Kent 22/05/2008 00:18:24
Sir Red Nose's usual completely red tinted slant on the game I see.

Chelsea have twice the goal attempts, hit woodwork twice and are a slip in the mud away from winning and United deserved to win?????

Nearly as lucky as 1999.
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glen urquhart,

east kilbride 22/05/2008 00:45:30
Chelsea I feel edged the game and I'm only glad Ronaldo - whose cheating against England in Euro 06 will be never be forgotten or forgiven - missed his penalty.

Incidentally, good luck tomorrow night to Glasgow Rangers. Not that I'm a gambling man but 3/1 to win the title proved too tempting. Thanks to Sir David Murray, Walter Smith and all the boys for a fantastic season. I predict a barrel-load of goals and Celtic to yet again bottle it on the final day even if Dundee United aren't giving it their all.
3

Lurpak,

Denmark 22/05/2008 01:05:24
What an absolute bunch of sour grapes from you guys! I am so disapointed to see this current trend of total denial that is prevalent in web forums and comments. United were by far the superior team in the first half and Chelsea never got hold of the ball. They were extremely fortunate to get the chance to score after two deflections gave Lampard a shot on goal. Previosly in the half United had missed three great chances and should have been three up at the break. The second half saw United reluctant to commit to all out attack and Chelsea built on their good fortune from the first half but never got hold of the game in the same way United had. Yes they hit the woodwork a couple of times but United should also have done better with a couple of situations. Come extra time and United came back into the game and one could see Chelsea fall away by the second. A very tired, but brave team then lost the penalty shoot out to the Champions. It was a credit to Chelsea's supporters that they applauded United's achievement. That in it's self shows that the fans at the game did not think United were undeserving Champions and thanks to them for great sportsmanship. As for you guys, keep this rubbish off the site and let's talk about worthy Champions in a game that was fitting for the Champions League final.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 22/05/2008 01:08:11
#1 invictager,Kent
Easy to name-call in defeat, isn't it? Cheap personal attacks gain you no friends. Did nobody tell you that hitting the bar and slipping (and missing) a penalty kick don't count?

#2 glen urquhart,east kilbride
We only saw extra time and the penalties due to a power cut. I forecast that Ronaldo would miss his kick. That stupid "fool-the-keeper" nonsense by dragging the run-up is a cheat's ploy. It was, if memory serves, infamously initiated by John Aldridge of Liverpool in the 1980s.

I sympathise with your optimism about Rangers for the Scottish title. Celtic won't "bottle it". So far, it seems that Rangers have done exactly that. A plague on them and the evil among their support in Manchester.


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glen urquhart,

east kilbride 22/05/2008 01:17:27
Lurpak - you're entitled to yor opinion no matter how ill informed. I had not long after the match posted to congratulate Sir Alex Ferguson on his success pointing out the excellence of a career that has seen him represent the world's most successful football club Glasgow Rangers as well as winning European trophies with two teams.

Unfortunately another poster's awful and utterly unfounded comments seemed to have led to all the posts regarding Sir Alex's career being removed.

Ronaldo though I believe is a disgrace. Most fairminded fans will, I think you will find, agree with that statement.
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Fayneant,

NZ 22/05/2008 02:05:06
Pleased for Ferguson, but disappointed that Ronaldo finished up on the winning side. I think Terry is a strong enough character to get over missing the pen, but what a way to lose the match.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 22/05/2008 02:54:12
#6
Terry's enhanced bank balance will more than make up for his Beckham moment, I think. I hope Ronaldo takes a hike to Spain though. Soon.
8

Pmonkey7,

22/05/2008 05:47:28
Good summary Lurpak, what planet are you living on 'urquart'?

Ronaldo a 'disgrace' whose 'whose cheating against England in Euro 06 will be never be forgotten or forgiven ' eh? By whom?? Whatever.

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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 22/05/2008 07:20:34
#8 By England-loving Rangers fans, I imagine. Ronaldo got annoyed when Wayne Rooney stamped viciously on someone's plums, like most footballers would when someone did that to one of their team-mates. But if you're watching the game through Union Jack glasses that's "cheating"

As for last night, both sides are misrepresenting the game. The first half was United's by a country mile, the second half Chelsea's by the same distance, and both sides had one great chance in extra time. Counting the number of "shots" is stupid, because two-thirds of Chelsea's were optimistic long-range punts that came nowhere near Van Der Sar. In fact, I only remember him having to make one actual save, and that was from Rio Ferdinand. Set against Chelsea's two shots off the woodwork were Cech's brilliant double save, Tevez's shocking open-goal miss and Terry's interception of Giggs' goal-bound toepoke.

Ronaldo was man-of-the-match, skinning Essien time after time in the first half and being the only United player to create anything in the second. But some bitter bigots will never forgive him for his perceived crimes, even though the "victim" of them, Wayne Rooney, forgave him immediately and is now one of his best friends. (Rooney's autobiography says that he proposed a photoshoot with Ronaldo after the England-Portugal game to quash tabloid rumours that they'd never be able to play together with Man U, but Ferguson vetoed it in the belief it would look staged and fake.)

Either team could have legitimately won last night in an incredibly even and exciting game. A lottery decided it. Simple as that.
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PROBABLY THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TEAM IN THE WORLD,

WHO? 22/05/2008 08:06:11
A fair result.
I'm amazed at the slagging Ronaldo gets. I bet you everyone of his detractors would love to have him in their team.
#4 Why is it cheating? If the goalkeeper is daft enough to dive early that's his problem.
Think how many penalties would be saved if the keeper stood still....
The England Portugal game is ancient history.
I thought the whole incident was hilarious.
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 22/05/2008 08:07:47
Cant understand you lot coming on here having a go at Ronaldo. The only thing I can put it down to is jealousy. Incidentally (No. 2)there were no European Championships in 2006.
No. 1:- In 1999 United kept going until the final whistle. Bayern did not. Where is the luck in that?
Where was the luck last night? I suppose Chelski's goal was intended to deflect off someone before it arrived at Lampard.
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22/05/2008 08:14:14
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Webbie,

mullingar 22/05/2008 08:43:24
Why have a go at Ronaldo he is no bigger a cheat than any of the other big names today. If most of them showed the same skills he has then maybe the game would be better, but only when he stops diving.
Why are the Glasgow bigots commenting in a MU/Chelsea article?
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bob barley,

22/05/2008 08:44:12
Ronaldo is a star, Ferdinand was massive as was Terry and Lampard, Drogba is an idiot...but what a horrible way to lose, Fitba is a cruel/beautiful mistress
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22/05/2008 08:44:41
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viator,

cosmos 22/05/2008 08:53:22
what does Man U WINNING a cup have to do with the OF?Sad,sad ,sad,.'mon the Hearts!
17

Black Five,

edinburgh 22/05/2008 10:47:51
Great result.Best team won.They completely outclassed the blue noses in the first half and a wonder double save from their keeper kept them in the game.They equaliised with a lucky goal and although they did play beter in the 2nd half the best team won.
What you also saw last night was the big gap between English and Scottish football.What it must be like to support teams who play like this and don`t sell off their best players at a drop of a hat.
18

Capital Boy,

22/05/2008 10:57:18
UTD deserved to win but only just, could you imagine the mauling either man u or chelsea would give our big two ?
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Johnny Jambo,

22/05/2008 11:32:16
I think over the piece Man U deserved to win they were by far the better side in the first have and should ahve extended their lead. A fortunate couple of richochets gave Chelsea their equaliser and then they were far better in the second have, the extra time Manu U were slightly better but it looked at the last part that they were playing out for the penalties.

Drogba was stupid and deserved his Red Card and the pantomime which started because Tevez never played the ball back to the keeper was a disgrace, as Chelsea never once did that and each time played the ball out of the park again when Man U had done it each time.

But it was a great game very enjoyable.
20

gothenburg1983,

22/05/2008 11:39:47
well done Sir Alex. Rode your luck at times (most of the second half) but just edged it overall. John Terry was the perfect choice to miss the deciding penalty!
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Keith Mac,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 11:59:14
Well said Lurpak, can't add to that other than to say that how John Terry ever was made England captain is a mystery - his conduct in last night's game did nothing to settle his players whose indiscipline is always on a short fuse.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 22/05/2008 12:15:59
#18 "could you imagine the mauling either man u or chelsea would give our big two ?"

Haven't both Rangers and Celtic been drawn against Man U in the Champions League in recent years? I don't recall them being slaughtered.
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glen urquhart,

ek 22/05/2008 12:20:07
Sir Alex I wish well, he learned under Ranger's Davie White as a player and although Chelsea will forever be my favoured Premiership club I'm not of those who seek to undermine rivals just for the sake of it although I will repeat what I've said before - Ronaldo's behaviour in the England versus Portugal match in 2006 will never be forgotten or forgiven by those who truly love the game.
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 12:20:16
The team who desrves to win is the team who does win. Last night nobody won, it was a draw!
But as human beings we are not equipped with the ability share, therefore, we devise systems to find one winner from a situation that has served up two winners. That system is penalties and that is the way it is.
Had John Terry scored Chelsea would be champions of Europe, he didnt score, so they are'nt. The name Manchester United will be etched onto the cup, but it could well have been the name Chelsea, such was the fine line between the two teams. Man United won it, but each of them also know that the medal around their necks was earned through a massive amount of luck! Whether they acknowledge it or not, in their private moments they all know they got lucky. AND SO WHAT!
Even tonight in Scotland, Celtic may well win the league on goal difference, but the underlying truth is that overall they have failed to match Rangers this season. And so even though the name Celtic will end up on the trophy, their players and fans will privately acknowledge that they should have won it by a far greater margin considering that their only challenge came from a team who got to the final of two domestic cups and 1 european cup, not to mention the last game of the season with a chance.
It is all nothing in the end, every season is a new challenge, and what you do one season serves you the next and so on....
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 12:34:00
Media 1..By your own logic,do you think that all those bears who cast up the "Helicopter Sunday",the winning of the league 2 years earlier by a single goal are secretly thinking that their team were unworthy champions?
Come on,mate! I know there are many on here today who will grub for any crumb of comfort as Celtic seek to close out a remarkable come back to win the league,but you take the biscuit (no pun intended)
26

Palermo,

22/05/2008 12:34:03
#17 Black Hat

You said "big gap between English and Scottish football.What it must be like to support teams who play like this and don`t sell off their best players at a drop of a hat."

West Ham?

J Cole, Lampard, Ferdinand, Carrick all ex-Hammers, sold at presumably the drop of a baseball cap.

In truth there is only a discernible gap between the top 2 or 3 in England and Scots teams - you'll perhaps be aware of the concern in the Premiership that everyone finishes in the same positions in the league every year? "English football" is not in great health, though the top 2 or 3 are having a purple patch of success this year.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

22/05/2008 12:39:32
Media 1 I see you are getting your excuses in before the games, good move.

Over a 38 game season the best team wins the league. I remeber posting this a few times. Not long ago I admitted that I would rather be in Rangers position than Celtic's however now we are in the driving seat and the league is ours to lose. If we win it then we deserve it. Similar to Man U last night the trophy will have the name of the winning club engraved on it, not the name of the club and (won on penalties).

What is it with rangers fans that they cannot accept the brilliance of a player like Ronaldo. Yes for a year or two he fell over too easily, all teams have those, Rangers included. Ronaldo has been outstanding this season, maybe there is something else they don't like... let me see...what could possibly be the reason..??

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Royalty,

Zandvoort 22/05/2008 12:46:06
How ironic that a Dutchman should become a penalty hero.

Big Edwin pulled off a fantastic save & proved that hes still as classy as when he won the trophy with Ajax.

Feel a bit sorry for the Chelsea boss, all the best to him.

PS
Prediction for tonights game: Aberdeen 0 - 2 Rangers
Dundee U 1 - 1 Celtic


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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 12:50:02
27# Media 1

I have told you countless times you weasel, you are the type of fan we don't want at Ibrox. Lowest form of life with your constant deception. Dont you get it? We KNOW you are a Rangers man, so cut the crap and "!come out" or stay away.

Skunk
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 12:52:09
Agree with the 0-2 Royalty. Simply cannot call the other game. My heart says 1-1 or 2-1, my head says 0-1 95th minute nAKAMOOOOORA free kick
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 12:56:19
Celtic will win the league! I have no doubt, Rangers will not beat Aberdeen at Pittodrie, no way!
Celtic will bury United tonight, 4 maybe 5 we all know that.
But Rangers fans dont need to leave Pittodrie tonight abd break shop windows, because the truth is that Rangers win or loose have been in 2 domestic cup finals, a European final and a final day do or die league game for the title. How many teams do that sh!t in one season?
So cmon, no fighting and behaving like eejits tonight when the league is lost.
32

Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 13:01:17
Still at it Media, thinly veiled praise of Rangers whilst getting your excuses in early. Pathetic, quite pathetic. As we stand behind the goal tonight and back the bears, we don't want your backing. No, we want you right out in front where we can see you. Never trust a guttersnipe, always keep him in full view. I fought in 2 major conflicts as well as serving in NI. I trusted the Irish who threw bottles at me and made me sleep with one eye open more than I trust you.

Weasel
33

Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 13:04:40
And 3 giros collected going by your comments on the other thread? Invite Media over, have fun, the real fans will be in Aberdeen.
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 13:09:35
Big Jaffa

That you care to express these views to a complete stranger in cyber world is frightening, but respected nonetheless. Thank you for your comments!

Now back to the world of football! Rangers cannot win the league, dont be silly, but the fact that they got as far as they did is amazing! Do you think Walter Smith thought he had a team capable of beating Celtic at the beginning of the season? No, of course he didnt!
Do you think that WS thought he could get Rangers to 2 domestic cup finals and a European final? No, of course not. Do you think WGS thought Rangers would have the season they have had? Of course not.
So all in all, there is no reason to run amok in Aberdeen tonight when they loose the league.
35

Adso,

22/05/2008 13:18:39
#26

I truly love the game. I can't even remember ronaldo cheating in that match never mind be unable to forgive and forget!

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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 13:26:35
40#

Media 1

don't you get it? The problem I, and every other decent Rangers supporter has with you is this constant charade that you are a Jambo. What kind of lowlife are you? There have been numerous posts where you have erred and showed you are a Rangers man. Yes or no? Answer that, bearing in mind I can drag them up if required. Are you a Rangers man? YES OR NO?

As for tearing up Aberdeen? If we lose, some of the lowlife will no doubt smash a few windows, beat up a few locals and generally disgrace themselves. They, like you, do not represent the majority of good Raangers fans. If I see anyone attacking an innocent fan, I know what I will do. What would you do?

Finally, of course we can win it tonight. No one thought Motherwell could beat Celtic on that wonderful day 3 years ago. They did, and Dundee Utd showed against us just how good they are. So, WE CAN WIN, CELTIC CAN DRAW OR LOSE, we therefore can win the title.

If we do, save us all the nonsense tomorrow about "Wow..WS is a genius etc etc.

Words of a weasel not appreciated

Now, answer, which team do you support? It's a straightforward question
37

Rammy,

22/05/2008 13:27:57
its crazy, scots seem to hate Ronaldo, whilst most of England now loves him and would hate to see him leave our league
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Tuatha De Dannan,

22/05/2008 13:28:12
bto :

Dinner party for three, with three wines,three lumps of ice cream, three different kinds of goat cheese, three after dinner mints, three wee after dinner jokes, and then settle down for the game.

TO WATCH 3 IN A ROW
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glen urquhart,

ek 22/05/2008 13:34:07
I'm prepared to stick my neck out and say I firmly beleive Rangers will be crowned champions tonight no matter what happens at Tannadice.

If I'm wrong I'm be back to admit my mistake. I guarantee my doubters that I am big enough to do so.

Even I am wrong is my assessment of things I can only say that Glasgow Rangers have enjoyed a wonderful season, at worst two cup wins and a UEFA Cup final.

If this progress is to be continued next season (and I expect three major signings at Ibrox) I fully expect Rangers to, at worst, reach the last eight of the Champions League.

Finally I find it more than somewhat curious that the fighting between Man U fans and Russian youths (caught on camera) has been conviently ignored so many and I believe Edwin van der Sar should apologise for his language on camera (ITV) after the final whistle. Also, while I'm not supporting Drogba for lifting his hand, I would like to point out that his treatment from Vidic throughout the game was utterly despicable.
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 13:47:56
Billy Jaffa

I like Rangers because as a fan of football, the most successful teams deserve respect. By religion I should support Celtic, but my family are all Celtic fans so it is tough to do so. Hearts are my Embra team, after all, I may have been born in Glasgow but the CAPITAL is the most splendid city in the world. I dont hate any side in Scotland other than Hibs, they are without doubt the most pointless and utterly pathetic excuse for a club, I detest the Hobo's they are a nothing club.
Internationally,I support Scotland at football and South Africa at rugby. I have nothing in common with Scottish rugby and nothing in common with South African football.
If I was to choose one team in Scotland as the most deserving of all our support I would choose Motherwell, over the years they have taken more points from the OF than any other and if we look back over the last 30 years I think they have done better than most. Aberdeen I respect for what they achieved under Ferguson, they are a sleeping giant! Dundee United, who can forget their early 80's period? A good side, a decent fan base, I like them.
So who do I support? East FIFE
41

Publilius Syrus,

.....CIS.....CorruptionIsSuccessful !!! 22/05/2008 13:52:05
So Walter "TA" says the blame would lie with him alone does he !

And just who else exactly was he hoping to blame....

....THE REFS.....WAWH..HAWHHANHANHANHAHAHA...

The refs never got their angles right says Wallie....

hanhanhan.....KAK...

Isn`t it.
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:01:32
Media 1, bullsh*t

Read YOUR post and explain yourself then??


Media 1,SA 10/11/2006 06:25:25
Neal 12: You are over reacting, it is tongue and cheek from Stan. Taking the moral high ground on electronically posted words is nothing more than "good impression hunting".

Now back to matters at hand. Rangers will NOT win on Saturday and they will not beat Hearts the following week either. In truth, this Rangers team is a 5th place package and that is that. Rangers fans, myself included must prepare for a long hard and humiliating season..There is nothing else we can do but sit back and watch the demise of our team.THIS SEASON! But if they work smartly and have a long term plan then Rangers will be back to the top this time next season. But this season is over and about to get much worse.
43

Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:03:14
For any new posters out there, this is the real MEDIA1, full of bull, ducking and weaving, but ultimately, a fool.
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:06:41
Does this one help you remember who you support??



Media 1,Cape Town 10/11/2006 15:03:08
Rangers 0 vs Dunfermline 1
Hearts 4 vs Rangers 0

Unfortunately there is no escaping the facts. Rangers are dire and no amount of managerial tampering or anything else is going to change this team into winners. It is not going to happen so let us dispel any notions which suggest that it will.

This period of gloom must take its course, it cannot be avoided! We need to take the good with the bad and remember that football throughs up unthinkable scenarios from time to time. Rangers will win the league again, they will also finish 4th and 5th in the decades to come, thats football.

Things are about to get a lot worse prior to getting better, so let us brace ourselves for it and take it on the chin,.
45

Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:07:18
Need any more??
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:09:26
Now Media, having gotten the smoke and mirrors cleared away, can we move on and have you discuss football matters from the viewpoint of a Rangers man? I am truly interested to know why you say we cannot win the title tonight?

At 11/4 I think we are a fantastic bet.
47

Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 14:15:49
Billy Jaffa

As I said, I have many reasons to support Rangers and sometimes I will. But then I will watch a UEFA cup final and hear them singing songs that are disrespectful to my family and I change my mind, although I MUST be honest, I do enjoy seeing the pain on my brothers face when Celtic loose. By religion I should be a Celtic fan, but the Irish thing scared me, I am Scottish! But then I found Hearts, what a team! But I dont like Hearts this season, they are playing terribly and the owner has lost sight of what it is all about. I am hoping that next season sees a turn in their fortunes, we were told the CL would be delivered to Tynie within 5 years...Hibs as I said are the most pathetic of all Scottish clubs!
Dundee Utd 0 vs Celtic 4
Aberdeen 1 vs Rangers 1
48

Publilius Syrus,

HAWH..nawh...hanhanhanhan..thrrrppp...KAK....Isn`t 22/05/2008 14:17:39
Walter Smith and his Rearrangers pack are to put in an official letter of complaint to Gordon "Agenda" Smith.

Walter "TA" feels the refs have cost Rearrangers the league title.

Gordon Agendas reply will be interesting.
49

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 22/05/2008 14:21:31
What has any of this Old Firm nonsense got to do with Man.Utd lifting the Champions League trophy ?
50

rakesh s,

glsgow 22/05/2008 14:22:43
rammy {45} the vast majoriy of scots love watchng ronaldo. honestly

{re:48}
amazingly over the last coupla days glen Urqhuart has made allegations about st mirren 'lying down' to Celtic 20 odd years ago & has also claimed craig levein will be hoping Celtic win tonigjht while telling off anyone that dares make similar allegations over the 2 jimmies @ aberdeen. he also claims that rangers will score a barrelload of gpoals.

interesting logic.

glen also criticises the cheating cristiano ronaldo while while ignoring the diving tactics of didier drogba who even chelsea fans complain about.

he has a go about edwin van der saar swearing, which i'm not absolutely sure he did but in another post wants ramgers to ddedicate their league win to paul gascoigne. a greeat footballer but someone whose behavour has at times went about a million times beyond a post watershed slip of the tongue. strange that a bit of bad language should so upset somebody who seemed pretty much unconcerned after events last week in manchester,

fair play 2 him if he does come on 2moro even if his your team loses/ should be interesting.
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:24:52
How can you talk about being disrespectul to your family then say you enjoy seeing pain on your brothers'face? For god sake man, size up.

I don't sing those songs, but they are sung. Celtic fans sing unpleasant stuff which I as much as anyone find offensive, but they don't ALL sing them, and I don't see ALL celtic fans as bigots or some form of enemy. They are rivals man, and I want to see them lose tonight, but I don't wish them pain or hurt, but I want them to LOSE every game.

You don't like Hearts because they are playing terribly? Such is life, and actually, we're not playing too well ourselves, but remarkably have made it to a Euro final and can still claim a glorious treble. You cannot desert a team because you don't like the way they are playing. Stand firm man and await the good times. It makes them all the sweeter.

And again, we CAN win the title tonight.
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Publilius Syrus,

22/05/2008 14:31:28
So am I.
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Ayrborne,

New York 22/05/2008 14:32:40
It is a shame that Man Utd cannot have a parade because of the Rangers fans barbaric (but typical) behaviour last week. I can hear the Rangers fans saying "It's no typical, ken! It wiz ah minoruty, annat." Aye, but you did the same thing 36 years ago when you won so not only is it typical, but it is a long standing tradition. The Rangers fans are a national disgrace. Why not have the parade in Sir Alex's home town of Glasgow? You can bet that the Reds would not go on a savage rampage like their Neanderthal guests did in Manchester.
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Publilius Syrus,

22/05/2008 14:34:59
#61

Nuthin

Absolutely nuthin
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 14:44:55
66#

Some Rangers fans.

If the authorities are concerned about letting them parade the trophy through Manchester, then I suggest they have other reasons for that concern.

We've all gone home now, (good and bad), so let them party away, ...............if they can be trusted
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gothenburg1983,

22/05/2008 14:50:36
the residents of Manchester not interestd in football would be outraged if the council allowed another load of "fans" on their streets.
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Publilius Syrus,

22/05/2008 14:51:25
I mean,if you were to ask the Scottish meeja who is the best manager between the two Sir Alex would stand no chance.

"Walter" can expect the queen to be calling in at The S.W.A.M.P. anytime.
She`ll do the talkin and The Very Reverend The Mike will be handing out the gong.

HaW...NAW...no again...hanhanhan hahaha KAK..

Isn`t it.
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Championees,

Sattle 22/05/2008 15:05:36
Billy Jaffa. Nice one! regarding Media 1, he is the most contradictory person ever to depart Scotland’s shores, don't ever pay attention to his score forecasts (Mystic Med) he's NEVER correct.
Not to mention he played football in a team that went by the name of the Dangerous Darkies, now that should go down well in South Africa.
Come on the Tic!
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 15:15:57
Championees

I did'nt play for Dangerous Darkies, they were a team in the PSL 2nd division a few years ago, but they no longer exist.

Championees; No you are wrong, Rangers cannot win the title tonight, it is almost impossible. Celtic will destroy United.

And when I say I enjoy the pain I see in my brothers face, I mean that in a kind of jesting manner because it is not real pain, it football pain, which in truth is nothing more than nothing really!!
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 15:17:17
73#

Ach I don't want to be seen as a cyber bully, not my style, but it would be better for everyone if he just came clean. He could enjoy the banter better if he was open about his team.

Hey Championees, you gonna be changing that name tomorrow to ex-championees?
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Billy Jaffa,

22/05/2008 15:19:22
OK Media 1, we'll let it rest for now. I need to go in 20 mins anyway. You got a pub in SA to watch the game in?
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Media 1,

cape town 22/05/2008 15:24:18
Billy

They only show the Old Firm games here, the other games are not televised. Besides I already know the outcome, Celtic are champions! This season
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paulmac,

SURREY 22/05/2008 15:25:30
#51

You've just about covered every club in Scotland.....there's nothing like hedging yer bets eh?

Have you sought therapy?....

Taxi for Media!
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Publilius Syrus,

22/05/2008 15:26:25
For the avoidance of any doubt I support Celtic.

`n Wee Gordon Strachans Celtic at that.

Mon Ra Tic !!!
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Championees,

Seattle 22/05/2008 15:27:39
#74,
Championees; No you are wrong, Rangers cannot win the title tonight, it is almost impossible. Celtic will destroy United. I've got some news for you I'm a Tim when did I say rearangers would win tonight?

#75,
Hey Championees, you gonna be changing that name tomorrow to ex-championees? Yer Wrang aboot that!
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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 15:33:44
BTO

Will you be sleepin with yer heid on the keyboard again?

Just make sure it disnae leave the word FvD imprinted on yer heid!
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Publilius Syrus,

.....CIS.....Corruption Is Successful.....!!! 22/05/2008 15:37:36
Media 1 and Bemused Exile are tarred with the same brush.

Media 1 though,is the least harmful of the pair.

Media is just mental,Exile is sleekit,always has been in the 1 and 1/2 years I`ve been posting.


Mostly,they are better ignored.



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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 15:38:15
In this rare "confessional" session (no offence Bears),I to would like to state that I am, and always have been,a Hoops man...Had a brief flirtation with Quavers but quickly came to my senses.....
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stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 22/05/2008 15:43:07
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23486553-details/Blood+stains+streets+as+rioting+Chelsea+fans+fight+each+other/article.do

200 drunken rioting fans outside tube station after game ; this has'nt been widely reported though, situation was'nt controlled until midnight ..... it took them a week to get down from manchester ?
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gothenburg1983,

22/05/2008 15:45:15
it would dent their hopes of the world cup if it was widely reported.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 15:51:19
#84...A violent,blue hued,zenophobic mob take umbrage at the fact that their team was beaten in a major footie showpiece ...

Hmnnnn? Sounds vaguely familiar...Look out Aberdeen!
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Championees,

Seatle 22/05/2008 15:58:35
To all of my fellow Hoops breathern, it's 8am here and I can't sit still (Squeeky bum time).
Any tips to calm me down?
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:00:26
#87..STAY OUT of Starbucks!!!!

Large quantities of alcohol seem to be working well for me ...;@)
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stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 22/05/2008 16:05:08
#87 Go for a Wash
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:06:59
Stan...In Seattle going for a wash means you go outdoors for five mins..
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stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 22/05/2008 16:10:02
#90 agree, as long as you soap up first though
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Lenny,

22/05/2008 16:10:15
Media1

Hibs, a team that has produced some of the best Scottish youngsters in a generation are pointless???

Have a word with yourself. Rangers and Hearts are welcome to you!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:12:10
#91..Where is Cowtown...Is it Kilwinning,Dalry or Airdrie...?
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Royalty,

Zandvoort 22/05/2008 16:14:21
#92

Hibs - The Proclaimers & Irvine Welsh.

Hearts - Steven Hendry.

Which of the two Edinburgh clubs has had the biggest influence on recent modern Scottish culture?

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stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 22/05/2008 16:16:23
#93 nickname for Calgary, not a kick in the erse from Starbucks HQ
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Rob,

Moray 22/05/2008 16:17:31
Great game. Actually I thought the referee was the best player on the park - he didn't allow the arrogant (we love the Club not the money) Chelsea players to referee it for him, despite their attempts. Football will be cleaned up if the red card is shown a bit more often - these "pros" know where their bread and butter comes from and are actually capable of learning extremely quickly.

Just a pity that there wan't a second broadcaster - Andy Gray's drivel really does spoil the game.

Either could have won and it was really a draw. United have been the better team to watch all year and give me Ronaldo over John Terry any day of the week.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:18:44
#95 Ta..Thats my Canadian Geography O level up to scratch,,,Who says this stuff isnae educational...BTW Kilwinning is the HQ for Poundstretchers,I believe...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:23:56
Royalty..My vote goes to Hearts for two things...Seeing all those greetin' faces on the front of the Sunday Mail when Albert Kidd ripped them a new one..

Craig Levein lamping Graham Hogg was a close second...
See Embra,See culture?

In at No 3 with a bullet...WALLACE MERCER...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 22/05/2008 16:26:18
OK guys...off to calm down before the storm...

Hopefully the Hoops will do us proud...

If not and the 'gers win it,I shall be back to offer my congrats later...

Enjoy the games...

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Publilius Syrus,

22/05/2008 16:46:16
Dunkies years ago Celtic were playin Clyde in the league at Parkhead.

Celtic were winning 6-0 at half time.As I stood there with my father a Celtic fan walked passed and shouted to all who wanted to listen...

Clydes a second half team.

I thought that was a cracker.Anyway I never forgot it.
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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 17:10:00
Dark Horse......were you been the last couple of weeks?

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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 17:15:48
Do Rangers go for all out attack.....or do they sit tight be patient nick a goal and hope Utd nick a 1-1 or a 1-0?

Do Rangers go for all out attack if Celtic go 1 up......or do they sit tight be patient nick a goal and hope Utd nick a 1-1?

We all know your gonna sit tight and hope Utd nick a draw.....that's why I can't see you scoring the number of goals needed....

The scale of our task will depend on whether Utd turn up in holiday mode or not!
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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 17:19:25
DH...

The Scotsman have been very selective on how many and which threads are opened....

There has been days when you could only comment on a Hibs thread....

And if you've ever had to hold a rational debate on a thread with some of the Hibs fans.....you'll understand the frustrations experienced!

Ps. Was it a moonlight?
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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 17:25:37
#108....JR

Funny enough.....one of my guys at work mentioned...

"Don't you have to use the same road to go from Glasgow to Aberdeen and Dundee"

I did say to him....it won't be for the faint hearted...that's for sure....unless they have a scouting system in place with a car up ahead detailing the pubs and service stations to avoid stopping off at!
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paulmac,

surrey 22/05/2008 17:29:04
DH

We thought you would beat Well last Saturday....Koooosan missing a sitter....with Novo to his left and an open goal? 2-0 game dead.....then yer defence goes all pete tong to conceed an equaliser!

It's a funny old game!
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glen urquhart,

ek 22/05/2008 17:52:38
To Champions of Europe 1967 and others be prepared for the Champions of 67 games this season truimph - despite the wishes (in my opinions) of Gordon Smith and the record number of refereeing decisions given against us.

For anybody who doesn't know: Gordon Smith has maintained grudge against Glasgow Rangers since many fans legitimately booed him after he denied
supporting our club - unlike others who would cheer any old person paraded on their pitch for the flimiest of reasons we are freeminded enough to voice healthy
criticism.

To the Man U fans blaming Rangers for the lack of a victory parade - grow up!

Your fans were caught on camera by Sky in scenes comparable to the what happened in Manchester last Wednesday. Your fans largely invented the scourge of
modern hooliganism. As a youngster I recall the battles that scarred your club including the pitch invasion designed to save you from relegation in the era when Tommy Docherty was your manager and Luigi Macari your star player. Perhaps the fatcats criticised childishly by your Roy Keane for being 'the prawn sandwich brigade' maintain reasonable
behaviour but who knows what your less savoury supporters might do at any victory parade.

Some posters will remember the names given to Manchester around 1990.

Madchester and Gunchester.

Yet they maintain that the misbehaviour of at most 200 fans supposedly supporting Glasgow Rangers last week mean their parade can't go ahead.

It beggars belief.

Good luck to RFC tonight and to the fans of Leeds United who have been treated so shabbily today.
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Championees,

Seattle 22/05/2008 17:59:09


#89, Ah Calgerian just got back from walking the dog's wee Hammish and Fergus and what do I find Gleasga humor, I suppose I asked for that one(left myself wide open) you can take the Glaswegian out of Glasgow but not Glasgow out of the Glaswegian.

Although I do find it amusing that you follow a team that is associated with a stadium regarded by many as snake mountain, yet here we are many miles from home and you live in a city with a franchise called the Vipers, and just like your Flames I think that you’ll need the water as your title hopes will go up in flames.

3 in a row coming your way!
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Championees,

Seattle 22/05/2008 18:07:05
BTO I know it's squeeky bum tim but lighten up FFS!
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Championees,

Seattle 22/05/2008 18:11:15
BTO,Don't forget to take your medication for the insomnia!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 22/05/2008 18:36:35
#96 "Just a pity that there wan't a second broadcaster - Andy Gray's drivel really does spoil the game."

Do you not get ITV in your house?
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