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Murray savours his 'best moment'



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Published Date: 01 July 2008
ANDY Murray pulled off the most remarkable comeback of his career last night to reach the quarter-final of a grand slam for the first time. Apparently down and out against Richard Gasquet when the Frenchman served for the match at two sets up and 5-4 ahead in the third, Murray first inched his way back into contention and then took control.
By the end, almost four hours after the fourth-round game had begun on Centre Court, his biggest adversary was the looming darkness. Gasquet had already complained about the fading light several times, but Murray just had time to close the match out just before 9.30pm.

After winning on his service to clinch a 5-7, 3-6, 7-6, 6-2, 6-4 victory, Murray saluted the crowd and kissed his bicep – a celebration of the physical prowess he has acquired since last year, and which has given him the stamina to win such trials of endurance. "I was doing that to my fitness trainer," he said. "I just wanted to show there were muscles there and that was the first time I had a chance to."

He showed patience, too – another quality he once lacked – in two respects: first, to hang in while Gasquet played some remarkable tennis over the first couple of hours of the 3hr 57min contest; and second, to keep his nerve even while serving below par. The Scot's first service was down at 44 per cent in the first set, well beneath the level required to have a chance of winning at this level. Slowly, though, he improved, and as he did so the crowd became more vociferous in his support.

Voluble from the outset, they approached hysteria when it became apparent that Murray, the No 12 seed, had a chance of fighting back and reaching tomorrow's quarter-finals, in which he will play the No 2 seed, Rafael Nadal. It is the first time since Tim Henman reached the last eight in 2004 that a British player has got this far in his home Grand Slam. Asked if he now felt he could win the tournament, Murray had a simple reply. "I've felt like that all the way through the whole thing."

Gasquet, the No 8 seed, played at a technically superior level for much of the contest, but crucially he lacked the heart which Murray showed to fight his way back from the brink of defeat. The British No 1 will need all that fight and more when he takes on Nadal, to whom he lost in five sets in the Australian Open at the start of 2007, and he will also need a decent rest today after such a sapping struggle. But he will be inspired by his own efforts, which represent a breakthrough after falling several times at this fourth-round stage – including that match against Nadal.

"That match (against Nadal] was the best I'd played up to this point, but the way I came back from two sets to love and the support of the crowd made this the best – it was the best moment I've ever had on a tennis court," Murray said. "The first two sets, pretty much the first three, he completely outplayed me and I couldn't really do much. Then as soon as the pressure began to get to him I was able to (fight back]. The end of the match was awesome, pretty much pitch dark.

"Luckily the fourth set was really fast. Gasquet wanted to stop the much, but we could still see – just about – at the end. The crowd were awesome and they got behind me more than ever before."

Gasquet was gracious in defeat, though he did say conditions were far from ideal. "In the south of France I could play a match to finish in the dark at a club," he said. "But at Wimbledon it's strange. But that's not an excuse. It was the same for him. He played well to win the match, and maybe the key was that he served and returned better than me. I'm sad because I didn't go 6-4 in the third. I had to win that game."

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1

The Shoodybonger,

ENGLANDSHIRE 01/07/2008 00:27:51
A stunning victory for this thistly geek - someone that the Braveheart McDonalds generation of salmonids can to look up to - and he can even go out now! Who cares - the English are happy - he beat the French - better than winning! - the Scots are ubber-proud - he won and didn't shout "Ya F*&%^&£ beauty!!!!!!"
2

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 01/07/2008 00:37:51
Nice to see the foreign crowd cheering for the Scots lad.
Makes you think that independence won't be as hard as some would have you believe it is.
Now if Andy could land a few more of those first serve cannons. Then it could be easy peasy all the way to Federer.
Oops, almost forgot Nadal.
3

Silence of the Yams,

01/07/2008 01:17:28
Great Scot Murray has real momentum behind him now! I predict he will beat Mr Nadal.
4

RadRab,

OutBush - NSW 01/07/2008 01:33:43
Did not see it unfortunately. Will watch a re-run tonite on Ozzie TV. Sounded like a belter to win. Nadal is a level above though.....it will take something gargantuan to out-play El Torro!
5

democracy,

Scottish Borders 01/07/2008 01:52:06
Andy Murray wins millions of new fans in the 'Mother of all comebacks' with his gladiatorial spirit, as he put classy and brave Gasquet to the sword!
6

Saltireblue,

Out There 01/07/2008 02:22:31
What a great game of tennis. Fabulous entertainment! Well done Andy. Take a bow; this was your finest hour, at least for this part of the week.

On Wednesday, Andy has a good shot at beating Nadal.
7

Ayrborne,

Weston CT 01/07/2008 02:41:42
If Andy wins Wimbledon then precedent requires that he be given a knighthood. They made Virginia Wade a dame for winning, why not Shir Andy? He'd probably still not win that anglo-centric nonsense the BBC Sports Personality of the Year polling somewhere between the compulsory Royal and Joey Barton.
8

Teofilio Cubillas,

01/07/2008 03:16:56
Meanwhile, for equal pay, a ladies match lasted about an hour and finished 6-2 6-1.

Harriet Harman style equality obviously.
9

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 01/07/2008 03:51:44
Is Andy makes it - and that's a serious "if" - how does the royal box drill work?
Surely the First Minister of Scotland gets first call for the final? Is there no justice?
Anything else would be an insult of massive proportions and an affront to Scots around the world.
Especially if Brown bumps Salmond.
10

Boy Wonder,

01/07/2008 07:04:36
I've never been a Tennis fan ... until Andy Murray started to wow the crowds at Wimbledon. Since then, I have never missed a match ... and I don't intend to if this brave laddie is going to stun us like this in future!

He might not beat Nadal or Federer just yet .. but I( think we can rest assured ... the best is yet to come! Dunblane can be proud of this son! As can the rest of Scotland! At last ... we have a Tennis hero of our own!
11

happy english,

London 01/07/2008 07:34:26
#10 Get real Salmond in the Royal box it would lower the tone.
12

Beefy Bovril,

01/07/2008 07:35:47
A great never say die attitude evn if I can't stand tennis (Wife made me watch!)
With a display like that perhaps George Burley could get him to play for the football team during Tennis's "close Season"
Well done Andy(Not forgetting big bro Jamie too)
Fly the Flag Boys proudly.
13

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 07:59:33
"Murray savours his 'best moment'"


He certainly deserves to, what a fantastic win, all the better for the amazing way he did it. 2 sets down and really struggling in the 3rd set when Gasquet took it to match point and he came back from that. Just shows how Andy has matured as a player and a man, fabulous stuff. Brilliant win and I so enjoyed the match especially after being able to take the cushion away from my face, when he started his comeback!!

He is now the Darling of the Centre Court, the crowd absolutely behind him on every point and he truly deserves their support.

Now to face Nadal, a formidable opponent, but if Andy keeps his nerve and plays with the passion he showed last night, he can do it!

Good luck Andy :))
14

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 08:16:23
Interesting to see the Nats proudly boasting their Scottish son's achievements. Same people who moan about the English and their sporting bias.
I don't know if Joanna is English - maybe not - but nice post anyway.
Imagine if Tim Henman were playing a Frenchman in Scotland: there would be French flags everywhere.
15

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 01/07/2008 08:20:08
Well done Andy, as you can see the WHOLE nation is behind you. Two fingers to the Nat muppets, amazing that they even have to get their anti-english bias into tennis.

16

voltaire's janny,

01/07/2008 08:25:32
Unbelievable. After being broken in the 3rd set I thought it was over and started to bemoan Andy's tendency to implode. I began fixing my new crappy Chinese-manufactured piece of sh!t lawnmower and coming in only to check how his inevitable demise was progressing. Hello! A tie breaker. Then 3-0 in the tie breaker. I sat down again and the rest unfolded like pure destiny man but.

Gaun yersel big man.
17

voltaire's janny,

01/07/2008 08:27:09
Mountfield by the way = avoid like the plague....
18

pf9,

Aberdeenshire 01/07/2008 08:29:17
# 2/10
It is all about tennis ya numpty, not an Independent Scotland debate.
19

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 08:29:53
CondoleezzaCousCous @ 15 (good name btw:)

Yes, I am English, I am also a tennis fan and have been since the glory days of Bjorn Borg. I really enjoyed Andy's match last night, but I don't know if my nerves can take another one like that! :))
20

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 08:30:06
CondoleezzaCousCous @ 15 (good name btw:)

Yes, I am English, I am also a tennis fan and have been since the glory days of Bjorn Borg. I really enjoyed Andy's match last night, but I don't know if my nerves can take another one like that! :))
21

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 08:30:57
Sorry had a technical hitch with the site and didn't mean to post that twice.
22

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 08:44:08
So good, they posted it twice.
23

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 08:44:45
So good, they posted it twice.
24

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 08:51:35
Anyway. Glad you like the name. On which subject ...as well as the ice-cool Borg, remember Nastase (sp?), old Jimmy Conners and Rosco Tanner (with the supersonic serve, if I remember correctly). From a schoolboy's perspective, the best player, of course, was Chris Evert.
25

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 08:55:50
17 I believe the Chinese also do flat-pack tractors, if you're interested. (Only about 2 grand, I think).
26

AJ Fife,

01/07/2008 09:23:07
Sensational stuff from Scotland's No1. Perhaps the general public can now see the merits of Andy Murray.

He's a world class sportsman in a world class sport and Scotland doesn't produce many like him. So let's all cherish the fact that we have this incredible athlete and sportsman under the banner of our nation!

btw, well done to the Wimbledon crowd for finally getting over their indifference.
27

Geoff,

sa 01/07/2008 09:53:16
27 AJ Fife-nice post AJ-Andy was just Grrreat!! Saying om's for the quarters!

2 Neil Waugh-nice to see the "foreign" crowd cheering for Andy. Give us a break Neil.
28

steve 1511,

aberdeen 01/07/2008 09:53:37
on the verge of defeat the bbc referred to him as the scot,on the verge of winning the bbc referred to him as british,
29

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 01/07/2008 10:01:26
#29 - Standard BBC usage old boy "time you 'Sweaties' realised, we'll only tolerate you for as long as you're winning".

Actually, in tennis all international class players from the UK are 'British' - rather than English, Northern Irish, Scottish or Welsh and should be referred to as such.

The boy done good though.
30

an interested party,

01/07/2008 10:04:55
well said 29, and the thing is its totally natural for the beeb, they dont even know they are doing it
31

pwd,

Borders 01/07/2008 10:37:10
Well done Andy, and the specators - a great day for Britain.
32

G,

dundy 01/07/2008 10:49:50
SO nearly lost and then to win!
That will get the wimbledon massive behind him - he showed more spirit and life in two sets than Tim Henman did in ten years....
33

Royalty,

Zandvoort 01/07/2008 10:51:10
#30 Are you Salmond in disguise?

Any did Britain, Scotland & Dunblane proud.

Hopefully he'll go all the way to the final.

Nice to see all of Britain getting behind the young Scot.
34

G,

dundy 01/07/2008 10:51:32
I expected more moans about McEnroe calling him an "english guy" but credit to John he realised what he had done immediately not so the Beeb...
35

LyonHearts,

le teil 01/07/2008 10:57:42
I don't know if there's a tennis equivalent of Roy of the Rovers, but Murray certainly pulled off a performance that matched the comic strip hero!
36

Al Pacino,

01/07/2008 11:12:00
Brilliant stuff, especially as he was well beaten and going home toward the end of the 3rd. You have to be impressed by the way he seemed the only person in the place who still thought he could win. I think Nadal will be too sharp for Murray though, especially if he starts so slowly again, but he'll have his moments. One more thing, COME ON TIM!!! i know he's commentating, but come on folks, let's get behind him or he'll be out in the quarters again.
37

Lock,

01/07/2008 11:22:56
'on the verge of defeat the bbc referred to him as the scot,on the verge of winning the bbc referred to him as british'

Not to forget that on the verge of defeat he was referred to as British countless times and on the verge of winning he was referred to as a Scot countless times.

Last I checked both descriptions were correct and therefore can be used interchangeably.
38

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 11:23:20
I had the feeling that when McEnroe made the 'English' comment, there was a silence and someone was waving and mouthing to him 'he's Scottish', I bet that's what happened.

They know how sensitive some of you are!
39

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 11:29:52
The thing about Nurray which separates him from the many other talented sporting Scots is the fact that he has genuine self-belief. His mammy gets a bit of stick for being "pushy", but she deserves a lot of credit for nurturing his talent and will-to-win.
Alas, I can't help feeling that the great British (..or is it "Scottish"?) public will start to turn against him if he becomes too successful. After all, glorious failure is our thang....
Henman Hill to be renamed Murray's Misty Mountain?
Go on Andy.
40

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 11:34:33
38 ....and when it was deuce, I noticed he was referred to as "Anglo-Scottish".
41

AJ Fife,

01/07/2008 11:35:11
Joanna,

McEnroe needs to be educated on such matters! Afterall, he wouldn't take kindly to being mistaken for a wee Mehicano feller, would he??
42

CondoleezzaCousCous,

01/07/2008 11:37:06
41 was really for 29. Apologies to 38.
43

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 11:37:35
AJ

You cannot be serious!

He'd throw his racquet down and jump on it if you did.
44

AJ Fife,

01/07/2008 11:54:47
Joanna,

Super Mac is allowed a bit of latitude, since he's a true sporting legend.

Which reminds me to ask, why is Henman allowed to commentate? Didn't he once smack a young ball girl during the course of a match? Is securing a contract with the BBC a suitable reward for such a violent ruffian?
45

Liz,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 11:55:32
#8
If Andy Murray wins Wimbledon he will almost certainly win the "anglo-centric" Sports Personality of the year. Somehow a Welshman was allowed to win it last year. and more seriously, if Liz McColgan can win it for winning the World Championship 10,000 (?) then anyone can. (nothing against Liz, I was a big fan back then)

In fact he may well win it for not winning, if I am not mistaken the "Canadian" Greg Rusedski got it for only getting to the Semi-finals.

#29 and #30 - you are incorrect. I have started listening out for this 'bias' and it simply does not exist. Throughout the commentary he was mostly referred to as Scottish, they mentioned he was from Dunblane several times too start actually listening and get over your predjudices. (admittadly John McEnroe seemed to at one point suggest he was English but immedietly corrected himself and apologised, but as an American surely you can forgive him :))
46

Cockerel,

Aberdeen 01/07/2008 12:29:37
Checking the records, BBC sports personality has been 3 times by Scots, 3 times by the Welsh, 2 times by the Irish, 1 time by a Canadian (Rusedski), 1 time by Princess Anne (born in England, but certainnly seems to see herself as Scottish) and 44 times by the English. So, 10 non-English, 44 English. Seems like the split you would expect?

As far as picking up on people referring to Murray as Scottish or British, I think that it depends who is listening. Those with chips on their shoulders always hear what they want to hear - when they want to hear it, and disregard anything to the contrary.
47

JenJen,

WestIsBest 01/07/2008 12:59:58
#46 - I've noticed that too Liz. It's a tired old complaint and needs challenging for evidence.

#10 "Is Andy makes it - and that's a serious "if" - how does the royal box drill work?
Surely the First Minister of Scotland gets first call for the final? Is there no justice?
Anything else would be an insult of massive proportions and an affront to Scots around the world."

For heaven's sake, how much longer must we put up with this endless "never knowlingly under-insulted" rubbish from the likes of you. Grow up. Stop looking for offence. How bitter and petty do you think this constant whining drone makes us look? I won't be insulted. So there.
48

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 13:06:03
Well said Liz and JenJen :)

AJ

Tiger Tim did buy the ballgirl some flowers and then apologised after the match. He's a nice guy really :)

McEnroe was a great player but he wasn't called Superbrat for nothing. I can remember him being booed onto Centre Court in 1980 in the final against Borg, because of his behaviour in the semis against Connors. "This is the pits of the world" :D

Mind you, I never forgave McEnroe for beating Borg in 1981 and breaking his fantastic run of 5 Wimbledon Championships. Ice Cool Borg, what a star!
49

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 13:08:01
I even want Federer to lose this year because I don't want him to break Borg's record. He's already equalised it but then the racquets are better nowadays! :D
50

Palermo,

01/07/2008 13:11:32
think a couple of the sisters on here are quite mistaken.

the most perceptive comment on this thread is the one that described the crowd's initial "indifference" to Murray

that, my friends, is because he is not from the Home Counties, it really is that straightforward, not "one of us" in the way that nice demur Timmy was.

But like the best chamions, the Connors/McEnroe etc, he is a gutsy outsider who cares not a rat's backside for the "stuffy traditions" and is all the more supportable for it

Bravo Lo Scozzese!
51

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/07/2008 13:14:02
Joanna,

Couldn't agree more on the Borg thing. Forget this anti-English nonsense.... Come on Andy!!

The Rafa game will be tough and he will need at least a 60% First serve in if he is to have a chance
52

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 13:17:43
Hi Doc Martin, :)

Agree about the Rafa Nadal match, Andy's second serve is something that could be improved and a player like Nadal will take advantage of it.

Hope Andy stays focussed and he seems to really believe he can do it, so that's good. Looking forward to the match :))
53

AJ Fife,

01/07/2008 13:21:08
Joanna,

Didn't Tiger serve a ban for the assault? Wasn't it the first in the history of Wimbers? Not very 'Home Counties' if you ask me!

Old Fred Perry must be turning in his grave....
54

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/07/2008 13:22:31
Joanna

If there is one huge positive that came from the match last night it is that his serve got stronger as the match went on... no doubt due to his physical regime, however, Rafa won't lie down. We are in uncharted territory for the young Scot and how he reacts to this match could well be the making of him.

I think had it been on the faster grass of a few years ago then I think Murray would have had a better chance
55

Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 01/07/2008 13:23:19
May I invite those contributors to this messageboard who are getting worked up about nationalistic undertones to visit the Yahoo tennis messageboard? It contains some of the most rabidly xenophobic rants that I have seen on the internet; one wellwisher expresses the hope that Andy Murray breaks his leg, and as soon as possible, please.
56

elizabeth the first ,

01/07/2008 13:24:16
Andy Murray brought the whole of Britain together last night in a show of solidarity against the french,this young man did what the politicians could never do "unite the nation" well done Andy,now for Nadal
57

Invitrospud,

01/07/2008 13:28:39
#15 Imagine if Tim Henman were playing a Frenchman in Scotland: there would be French flags everywhere.

Absolutely not true! I am a tennis fan and a Scot and have ALWAYS supported Tim Henman - why would I change my allegiance just because he was playing up here? Get a grip. We are not all bigots.

Gaun yersel Andy! You played a blinder. That was the best game of tennis I have enjoyed in a long time - made all the better because I could cheer on a compatriot.
58

AJ Fife,

01/07/2008 13:32:16
Betty Mk1,

Not so, the French are old friends, and for once, I actually felt sorry for the Scottish No1's opponent! Especially when the 'Home Counties' crowd booed the unfortunate Gasquet for taking time out for a much needed dump in the fifth set!

Scotland doesn't share the English hatred for the French.
59

Huntly loon,

ABerdeenshire 01/07/2008 13:32:53
The only reason the local spectators were backing Murray (and then only from the tie-break in set 3) was that he was turning round the game and had a chance of winning. Only the Australians who had remained after the Hewitt game were rooting for Murray from the start.

I have just heard on BBC Scotland, English spectators interviewed, who were coming out of the Gasquet-Murray game, that on Wednesday they will be cheering on Nadal. That is their prerogative. But don't let us fool ourselves into thinking that they consider Murray to be one of them. He is not English and therefore is no different to being a Croat or a Spaniard. Even when he is winning he is reluctantly regarded as a Brit. When next he is beaten he will definitely be a Scot.

If we were in any doubt that the notion of being British was salvageable then Murray's support on the Centre Court on Wimbledon clearly shows it is not.
60

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/07/2008 13:33:07
Invitrospud

Well said mate, well said. I am a Scot and I had my head in my hands when the rain, well I believe, denied Tim in i think 2002
61

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/07/2008 13:40:23
This isn't Davis Cup... this is professional tennis players trying to win a tournament for themselves. As a Scot, and for the first time I can say this, we have a world class player so I will be supporting him. When we didn't I wanted Tim Henman to win... in the 90's, ahen the Scotland and England had nobody, I wanted Agassi to win... now does that make me anti-Canadian?
62

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 01/07/2008 13:42:59
As regards Henman, I always cheered him on and wanted him to do well, especially at Wimbledon, being his home patch. He was always considered the home player even by Scots.
63

democracy,

Scottish Borders 01/07/2008 13:56:58
#63 I agree wholeheartedly, but one cant help noticing all the remarks about who Andy Murray is, English? Scottish? British? Anglo Scottish? etc; etc.
The people outwith Britain and even some within, often are confused about how the whole complex Union thing actually works.

Some like to believe that Britain or Great Britain or UK is a country, but it is NOT a country, it is an Islands Kingdom or Queendom of four countries all of which have separate identities,cultures and customs,we live in harmony most of the time, but the UK is a political Union brought about in 1707 by a few self-serving Scottish political elite who were willing to sell their country for personal gain, ie; Titles,land and property along with cash or gold incentives and has been like that for 300yrs without any proper democratic mandate. So if you need to know what Andy Murray is, he quite simply is Scottish, end of story!!
64

Murrayfield PR Office, set the lines jangling,

01/07/2008 14:24:47
Some of you are pathetic. I am a proud Scot who divides his time between Midmar (Aberdeenshire) and Farnham (Home Counties), and let me tell (some of) you ignorant lot a couple of things.

1) If you chant/ jeer etc. at a tennis match you usually get kicked out.

2) The kind of people who frequent tennis matches are usually middle class, and not as demonstrative as those who attend, say, football matches which retains a working class culture (if not following these days!).

3) However "humorous" the intention may have been, Andy made some unfortunate comments about supporting the England football team in WC 2006, timed perfectly to coincide with several high profile sassenach beatings by drunken Scottish yobs (one of a 10 year old child, another of a disabled English man), not to mention our own childish ex-1st minister, Ned McConnell doing his bit for intra-union relations by revealing he didn't care how England did just as long as they didn't beat Trinidad and Tobago.

Some of you lot want to have your cake and eat it. Ever heard of the phrase 6 of one, half dozen of the other?

Andy has an English girlfriend, and people love his grit. He's won the crowd over, but can you blame them if they initially thought he was (yet another!) chippy Scot?
65

Joanna,

Cambs, England 01/07/2008 16:07:42
AJ

Would you get over the thing about Tim Henman, what's he done to you. He and Andy are big pals and they always speak well of each other.

As, Doc Martin has already said at this level its nothing to do with countries of origin, the players are in it for themselves and the prize money of course.

Half the time, people don't care where the players come from they support the skill, committment personality, looks and charisma of individuals. Nadal is popular and he will have support tomorrow, its got nothing to do with his nationality not being English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or Martian. :D

So, if the crowd cheer for him its because they like him, Andy is now been cheered because they like him and he's proved himself a good player and a showman with guts.
66

heart of scot,

france 01/07/2008 16:10:10
Murray's the best.Now Nadal probably has to be afraid of him.
67

elizabeth the first ,

01/07/2008 17:22:53
59. Think you will find Andy Murray is BRITISH No1,he got over the "i'm scottish not british" attitude,think you had better do the same.
68

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

01/07/2008 19:40:44
#68 What "attitude" would that be? Britain is not a nation. It's a state, made up of several nations with their own histories, institutions and cultures that all existed before Britain came into being. Scotland is one country within that state. Some people, such as myself and maybe Andy Murray, identify more closely with Scotland than Britain for a whole variety of reasons. And there is nothing whatsoever wrong with that. People who see a Scottish person wearing saltire wristbands as a threat or insult to them, or in some way different to an Australian or Canadian wearing clothing featuring their flag need to have a very close look at themselves.
69

pwd,

Borders 01/07/2008 19:43:55
* 64

I think his granny is English, and happily Andy himself has grown out of the silly and juvenile anti English thing.
70

Mercian,

UK 01/07/2008 20:30:16
# 64 democracy

"Some like to believe that Britain or Great Britain or UK is a country, but it is NOT a country, it is an Islands Kingdom or Queendom of four countries all of which have separate identities,cultures and customs,we live in harmony most of the time... "

Although you are technically correct about the UK being a union and not a country, it's more complicated in practice. 300 years is a long time to share an identity and in that time, not only has Britain acted very much as a country would, but also a lot of culture has converged and a shared culture has flourished; only a seperatist in complete denial would argue otherwise.

So informally, after years of the Union, it has become acceptable to use the word "country" in referring to the UK.

Best of luck to Murray, you have the entire nation state behind you!


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Ribbonman,

London 01/07/2008 20:56:10
#71 Sorry pal! you are wrong, "northern ireland is not a country. It is two thirds of a province which rightfully belongs to a country called Ireland,and Ireland is not part of the UK. So! what are you talking rubbish for?
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elizabeth the first ,

01/07/2008 21:08:52
My admiration for Andy Murray grows on a daily basis,just seen T.V. pictures of him on the practice court with a union flag draped round his shoulders,the boy has turned into a man.
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archie23,

london 01/07/2008 21:16:59
As a matter of international law, the UK is a country or independent state. That is, is has a defined territory, common taxation/revenue and defence. It wages war in the name of the UK...and sends contestants to the Eurovision song contest.

Scotland and England in common use are often described as countries but in fact are ex-countries, their independent statehood ceasing with the Union.

Can someone tell Andy Murray in time for his next press conference.


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Mercian,

UK 01/07/2008 21:18:07
# 72 Ribbonman

Is your post really aimed at my own?
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Jim P,

01/07/2008 21:18:49
74 elizabeth the first ,01/07/2008 21:08:52

"a union flag draped round his shoulders" just like the morons of the BNP and inhabitants of Govan zoo! Why does the flag make him a man? They'll still hate him (politely) on "Henman" Hill.
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Jim P,

01/07/2008 21:20:50
#74 archie23,london

You are completely wrong!
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Media 1,

cape town 01/07/2008 21:38:23
Jim P

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Media 1,

cape town 01/07/2008 21:41:38
Firstly, the BNP is a legal political party whose code of conduct falls within the boundaries of what is permitted within the constitution. I am not a BNP voter but I respect their right to exist,as should you.
Secondly, what does Govan have to do with the union jack? As I recall, the flag represents more of Britain than just Govan. It also represents the memories of our grandads who fought in the second world war for our freedoms, so show some respect you moron.
Thirdly, why would they hate Murray on Henman hill? Tennis is a game for people with more
"Kulchur" than you will ever be blessed with, so it is no surprise that you didnt see how the crowd embraced Murray last night. Thankfully, none of the fans at Wimbledon suffer from the small minded and one dimensional hate that you suffer from, so we were treated to an amazingly electric atmosphere by people whose sole aim was supporting a young Scottish born British tennis player.
Murray understands that these people are not interested in anything other than supporting him when he plays tennis, and thankfully he has embraced them and their wonderful attitudes.
Let us hope he wins this tournament one day, it would be amazing for British tennis.
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Ribbonman,

London.... British and proud of it. 01/07/2008 22:27:57
#75 Yes! How can you say that there are four countries in the union,when it is clear to all that the union consists of three countries plus two thirds of the province of Ulster and in that two thirds of a province 48% of the population reject the notion that they are British and rightfully call themselves Irish. After all the province of Ulster is part of the Irish nation,which we all know is NOT part of the UK. It is a fact that only 15% of the population on the island of Ireland refer to themselves as being British,does that very low percentage constitute a "country"? your ignorance does not surprise me. Well, I'm off to have my night cap. Good night to one and all!
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Claymore,

01/07/2008 22:52:07
The nationalists on this thread are a total embarrassment.
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Mercian,

UK 01/07/2008 23:01:11
#81 Ribbonman

I hope you're still there because as I thought your comments are aimed at the wrong person! The part of my post (#71) you refer to is actually a quote from #64 'democracy' (that's why I used these things ""). I was responding to this poster, 'democracy'. Well, at least you've made me smile...

 

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