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Published Date: 02 February 2008
WHEN Barry Robson stepped out in front of just 397 spectators at Station Park in October 1999 to play for Forfar Athletic against Dumbarton, a month short of his 21st birthday, he underwent a rebirth as both a person and a footballer.
It was the day it dawned on the midfielder, who had been released by Rangers two years earlier without making the first team breakthrough at Ibrox, that he was underachieving woefully in a game he was treating as little more than a hobby.

It was t
he day which set Robson on the path to the £1.25 million transfer from Dundee United to Celtic he concluded on Thursday night and has him contemplating the prospect of playing against Barcelona in the last 16 of the Champions League later this month.

It is a quantum leap from when he was loaned out to Forfar in the third division by Inverness Caledonian Thistle, but Robson's arrival at the SPL champions is no fairytale. It is simply a story of a talented footballer coming to his senses and dedicating himself to being the best he can possibly be on and off the pitch.

"When I was at Rangers, I just enjoyed a laugh, I didn't really understand what it was about," said Robson yesterday as he was formally unveiled as a Celtic player at a media conference at Parkhead.

"I didn't understand what I could achieve in the game at that time, I didn't really take football that seriously. I wasn't a bad lad or anything like that, I just didn't appreciate how good football could be for you.

"But when I got to around 20 I realised that I could really do something with my career. I went out on loan to Forfar and that's when a switch went off inside my head and I thought 'wait a minute Barry, you're better than this'. I suddenly knew my career could go a lot further than that. The Inverness manager at that time (Steve Paterson) felt it would help my maturity to go to Forfar and it did. I went down to the third division, did well, and took it from there. That's when I got my head down, started working hard and made sure I got back to the top.

"It took me a lot of years to get back to where I wanted to be, but I eventually got there. It's just been through pure hard work and having a good family around me. I've worked hard at my game, staying behind after training every day and working longer than other people.

"I've only just turned 29 and I've looked after myself well. I've lived my life right and that will hopefully help me play on well into my 30s. Every pre-season I come back, I feel stronger and better. That's just down to eating and drinking the right things.

"It has been unbelievable hard work to get to where I am now, but it's going to be even harder to stay there. I look forward to the challenge at Celtic and I believe I can do well here."

Robson, ineligible for today's Scottish Cup fifth round tie at Kilmarnock, can expect to make his Celtic debut next weekend when his new club resume the defence of their SPL title against Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

He is confident he can adapt quickly to the demands which surround an Old Firm player. "I won't be overawed by it," he said. "I know what it's like to play at Parkhead, although I don't know what it's like to play here for Celtic. It's better playing in front of 60,000 people than in front of six. If you don't have that ambition to better yourself and move on to a higher level, then I don't think there is any point being a football player. I told Craig Levein that at the time I signed my last contract with Dundee United. They are a fantastic club, but I wanted to play at the highest level possible.

"This is a big leap in terms of the size and prestige of the club I'm joining, but Dundee United are still a big club and I had a bit of added pressure there as captain. Hopefully that will stand me in good stead for coming here."

Celtic manager Gordon Strachan is hopeful Robson can emulate the success Scott McDonald has enjoyed with the champions since joining them from Motherwell last summer.

"It's the same situation, a player coming from another Scottish club," said Strachan. "We give them a chance to see if they can adapt to the pressure of playing for this club. Barry has been in our face since I came here two and a half years ago. He's been annoying me for two and a half years and I thought, that's enough, well get him along here."

Of the five players Strachan added to his squad during the January transfer window, only loan signing Georgios Samaras is likely to feature against Kilmarnock today. The injured Andreas Hinkel joins the cup-tied Robson on the sidelines, while 20-year-old English striker Ben Hutchinson and 22-year-old Japanese winger Koki Mizuno will not be rushed into first team action.

Meanwhile, Celtic have offloaded Poland striker Maciej Zurawski to Greek side Larissa.

Zurawski scored 30 goals in 73 appearances after signing from Wisla Krakow in the summer of 2005. He did not score in eight appearances during this campaign, which was again interrupted by niggling injuries.

The Poland skipper was keen to move on to get regular football after being warned by international coach Leo Beenhakker his place in the Euro 2008 squad was in jeopardy.

Ford focuses on turning tables as Killie target upset

SIMON Ford has been on the receiving end of cup shocks, now he wants Kilmarnock to cause one.

Kilmarnock face Scottish Cup holders Celtic in the fifth round at Rugby Park today and Ford knows if his side can progress to the last eight it will be a major surprise.

Kilmarnock crashed out of this season's CIS Insurance Cup to Hamilton and last year were humbled by Morton in the Scottish Cup.

Now Ford wants to create cup upset headlines of his own against Celtic.

Ford said: "We've been on the receiving end of cup shocks but it would definitely be nice to cause one. We go and try to win every game and it would certainly be a big scalp if we beat Celtic.

"We know it'll be a tough game but we're at home and the onus is on us to attack. It'll probably be a more open game and hopefully we can cause an upset for once."

Ford revealed Killie's squad held talks following their SPL defeat to Dundee United and that brought the squad together ahead of their fourth-round clash with Airdrie.

He said: "We needed a victory and to get a clean sheet was good. We had clear-the-air talks on Sunday when the players and the manager said what they had to say."



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  • Last Updated: 01 February 2008 10:27 PM
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  • Related Topics: Celtic FC , Kilmarnock FC
 
1

KingKenny,

02/02/2008 00:47:29
Robson stay SPL is good..But he is 29 and Celtic have many good players..If he fail..That is big bad..Alan Gow and Kirk Broadfoot, Derek Riordan not play game..Paul Hartley not play many game his position. LB is big funny (But he play fine)

anyway Robson will replace Jiri Jarosik..but McGeady and Mizuno big strong competitor and Donati and Sno is weaker..but Robson will not play many games..
2

KingKenny,

02/02/2008 00:50:22
Zurawski leave is not good..I think he can Help Hearts..but Hearts not think him...If hearts end Ricardas Beniušis loan..They can sign Zurawski..but They not think Zurawski...and Graham Dorrans too..Hearts need consider England league fail Former SPL And Scotland Players.
3

jerrymanders,

Hearts no more, neither King Kenny. 02/02/2008 00:54:07
KingKenny, Hearts fan, enough is enough. The joke is over, just like Vlad.
4

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 02/02/2008 01:11:34
Barry you have sold yourself and your football days to an early end.Enjoy your dosh and your place on the bench with the ex hibbies.I hope not but I think you put dosh before your playing career.
To see the smug wee GS on the TV with you just reminds us all of the good Scottish players who have taken the O.F. road to nowhere.Bye Bye Barry.Enjoy your new house and your big Telly.
5

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 02/02/2008 01:54:58
I have to say that I am not overly excited about Strachans signings once again, we will have to wait and see.

As for the rest of Scottish football, well!
6

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 02/02/2008 01:55:02
I have to say that I am not overly excited about Strachans signings once again, we will have to wait and see.

As for the rest of Scottish football, well!
7

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 02:05:03
I wonder which Rangers reject WGS will sign next? I understand Maurice Ross is looking for a club.
8

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:06:56
as its egg chasing week for the "chaps" who think that sport is that mucky tabloid with big boobs in,we are relegated to the second tier again...That aside,better to be on the bench,with the prospect of getting a game at a club that will win silverware than on the bench at a no mark club that wont play you unless your name ends in kaus etc...
9

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 02:13:16
Swordsman, just been out for a wee swally and looking for a message board where it's all happening, sadly this aint it...do you know one?
10

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:19:11
Sorry mate...The Hootsmon has reverted to type...All the sport is about rugby..preserve of lawyers,Accountants and doctors everywhere...DULL! DULL! DULL!
11

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:20:37
BTW are you a Bay City Rouleur...?Shang-a-lang!!
12

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 02:22:52
22" tartan bell bottoms..ye cannae beat 'em
13

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 02:23:42
Where's the usual suspects? Looking for methadone or banned?
14

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:26:51
Anyway..loved the "Road to Damascas" story regarding Robson...Hopefully the guy will do what all championship winning teams need...pitching in with 10-15 goals from midfield.....
15

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:27:23
ITS FRIDAY NIGHT......WORK IT OUT!!
16

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 02:29:14
Swordsman..I had a good bucket tonight and am back for the chat by 2am...you telling me these naughty miscreants are still on tha lash and they haven't invited us...shame on them
17

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:30:26
#12...Remember they were called "Skinners"...don't know why though...!
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 02:32:25
Had a few scoops meself tonight at home..but working the morra so have to stay semi-sensible until the usual suspects turn up at least!
19

CaliforniaBhoy,

02/02/2008 03:08:33
In a recent survey, Ranger's supporters have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!

In the survey, carried out for leading toiletries firm "Brut",

a whopping 86% of the Ranger's supporters said that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.

The other 14% said they hadn't been to prison ... yet.
20

CaliforniaBhoy,

02/02/2008 03:09:39
Couldn't resist!!!! :-))
21

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 02/02/2008 03:13:56
The above router guy talks about celtic taking rangers rejects, no that rangers can afford anyone, skint. But big Bad John Hartson was he no one of they rejects, I seem to remember hin putting the ball in their net and winning the games on many many occasion!
22

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:16:37
Ah Swordsman The laddie who thinks he is Irish but born and bred in Glasgow.
Also the eejit who thinks that its the ugly sisters right to all the cream of the SPL.
Well what crap are spouting tonight laddie
23

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:21:07
USA HOBO..Top 'o' the mornin to ya!That chip on your shoulder is getting rather large...brush it off and hae some salt 'n' sauce oan it ,ken.....
24

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:26:13
ah salt and sauce... love it but nowt over here.
Now where were we.. oh yes about you being Irish..Explain that one again please.
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:32:19
Let me give you a wee lesson here ...My G parents were Irish..moved to Scotland..My parents were born in Scotland,as was I..Proud to be Scots/Irish What's the prob? You support HIBERNIAN ffs....Are you in denial of your heritage, or just at the wind up?
26

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:39:11
still looking it up on Google..? C'mon son, get with the programme!
27

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:39:50
No denial. I am a proud SCOT. You on the other hand want it both ways. Your grandparents are Irish and your parents Scottish and you are Scottish. You seem to have an obvious affection to Ireland but you URNIE Irish.
As for me supporting Hibernian yes very true and i know of their Irish origins and the fact Hibs got Sellick started.
But i don`t profess to be something i am not. You on the other hand are a wannabe. Scots/Irish is like the wannabe`s here Irish/American when they are American.
Your turn
28

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:42:48
Ah!I see....You are catatonic due to the amount of hot dogs/burgers consumed in the lead up to the SUPERBOWEL....
Song moment...John Cougar Mellencamp..."Ain't That America..."
29

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:45:53
ok song title for you now.
If your Irish come into the parlour
Your no so stay oot
30

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:47:17
K mate...get it...You are far from home and feeling all Braveheartish...Nout wrong with that but to expect others to conform to your "Black and White" ideas on racial lineage is a wee bit suspect....last time someone did that there was a world war...
31

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:50:42
Embra version..."If your Irish,come into the parlour...You'll have had your tea?"
32

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:52:15
Oh come on now your just acting the goat.
That`s rich coming from a sellick supporter.
They and Rankers spewing oot the sectarian bile to anyone who listens.
Oh by the way i am a Proddie.
So why do i support Hibs?
Because i like football not religion.
Can you say the same ?
Truth now.
33

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:52:49
reckon you got barred from an Irish boozer for trying to sing "Cap in Hand" at the Karaoke.....;@)
34

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:53:56
liked that lol.
Glesgie version: If your Irish.... What school did you go to.
35

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:55:36
Naw just got Scotland yard for singing.
Am tone deaf
36

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:56:51
But no half daft
37

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 03:57:10
If you have read my posts on many threads in the last year,you will know that I abhor bigotry and division.I am a Celtic fan and make NO apology for that.Having many friends who are 'gers fans (even in Dublin!)keeps it real...after all its only a game...What do you think?
38

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:57:59
Still waiting for an answer to my question on #32
39

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 03:59:58
Yes its a game but it stops when you yourself said yesterday that the ugly sisters keep Scottish football alive. Want to retract?
40

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 04:07:08
on #32...Im a footie fan first and foremost.As an athiest I cant comment on the role religion plays in football (just like 2million scottish men!)I just want
see the game...

#39..An inescapable fact the the OF drives Scottish football...buying the likes of Brown,Riordan,whittaker,Caldwell etc...Go further back to Goram,Dougie BellCollins etc so its no secret...
41

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 04:16:51
Let me explain the errors of your thinking.
If the ugly sisters went to Engurland.
YES the others clubs in Scotland would feel the pinch in the first couple of seasons. There after when the competitive nature of the league would draw the crowds back to the clubs, Revenue increases, crowds increase,more level playing field for all concerned.
Champions League would also help us less financially embarrassed clubs.The UEFA games would gather money also.
So your point is that we need you?
I think not.
Sorry for the delay
42

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 04:20:02
While i am on about Engurland .
How do you think you would do in EPL.
43

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 04:25:51
In an ideal world that might be the case,but the bottom line is that the OF provide much of the revenue that keeps smaller clubs alive via gate money/tv rights etc...PLEASE believe me,I am not having a go, but that's the situation as it stands,Best example I can think of was a OF reserve game a couple of years ago that attracted more than the ENTIRE 1st,2nd and 3rd division ....thats the way it works,Im afraid.
44

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 04:26:58
Mid table..on our day we would beat anybody...but its a marathon rather than a sprint...
45

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 04:31:16
addendum to #43...Could many Scottish clubs survive for a couple of years until the new regime was up and running?Hmmnn!
46

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 04:31:35
Yes but surely you don`t think Scottish Football would just curl up and die do you.
To think that is like the English Media thinking Engurland are going to win every World Cup ...totally unbelievable.
47

USA Hibee,

brandon 02/02/2008 04:32:50
Right bud i will check back for your answer.
Am off see ya the morra
48

Swordsman,

Dublin 02/02/2008 04:34:39
Dont think it will die but it might smell funny for a couple of years...TaTa...
49

Auntiehun,

Fortress Ibrox...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 02/02/2008 07:48:18
So, £750k for Jarosik and £500K for majic, two fringe players not contributing, and we spend it on Robson who, if Strachan has any sense, will be an awesome left back in the mould of Stuart Pearce. If you also consider that they were both earning more than Robson will make then I think that is an excellent piece of business. Well done Celtic.

We then get Hutchinson and the Japanese kid, two young players with bags of talent, for next to nothing and big Samaras on loan, as well as a German International, who looks a real player, for a good fee...we are really looking strong now.
50

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02/02/2008 07:50:50
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51

Pax V,

02/02/2008 08:27:11
RANGERS

Ins:

Steven Davis (Fulham, loan); Neil Alexander (Ipswich Town, undisclosed); Christian Dailly (West Ham, free)

Outs:

Ugo Ehiogu (Sheffield United, free), Alan Hutton, defender (Tottenham Hotspur, £8m), Roy Carroll, goalkeeper (Derby, free), Cousin, striker (Fulham, £3M)

Good bit of "strengthening" there guys?

Is it true thon big Italian arranged to meet Wally & Bain in Milan and when they met them he sang "Hallo Hallo - you ARE the silly boys" and walked away?
52

Gdgy,

dndy 02/02/2008 08:43:31
Robson will get goals, create chances and is a natural left sided attacking midfielder - fits the bill for Celtic I'd say - I hope he gets his chance and makes himself a regular in the Scotland side
AND #49 - Robson is not a left back!!! We played Stewart Duff there rather than move Barry back! That says it all.....
53

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 08:57:46
As expected, the lap-top loyal have been very restiscent about Rangers' humiliating expedition out to Genoa, with an entourage including Walter Smith, Martin Bain, medical staff and sundry hingers oan.

And for what ? A player who noone in serie a seems to want. Rangers fans must breathe a sigh of relief that the deal didn't go through, but at the same time, who wants to see their club being treated so shabbily in a blaze of publicity ?
This was a PR disaster for Rangers...it reads like a script for only fools and horses, and Rangers have been left the laughing stock of European football.

Well known for his media-savvy, Sir Minty has allowed a very embarressing own goal, and if it wasn't for the fact that that the Scottish press has nothing like the appetite to stick the boot into Rangers as it does to stick the boot into Celtic, we would all have been treated to a never ending, barbed, serialisation of the whole affair.
But Sir Minty's poodles are shrewd enough to know that sticking the boot into Rangers means less winalot in the bowl.

54

Boyne Bhoy,

Drogheda 02/02/2008 09:02:48
BR may not be a natural LB however if he has football technique he should be able to adapt and contribute there. Maybe Duff was moved because DUFC relied on BR's talents more than CFC will. Not a criticism of DUFC but a statement of reality given relative squad strength. PS Hope O'Brien does a job for you! (then comes back home).
55

Boyne Bhoy,

Drogheda 02/02/2008 09:16:31
Unfair to describe Rangers as the laughing stock of Europe. Nobody is interested in them, most Tic fans only give them any attention because they are in direct competition.

Always find it heartening travelling abroad when I meet footie fans-huge majority of foreign footie fans positive views of only one Glasgow based team. Wonder why that would be?

Success in internationally important tournaments?
Fans behaviour?
Scottish/Irish=celtic (note lack of capital letter!): e.g. Ask just about any German their favourite/ideal place and the answer is more often than note, 'ah ja, I love ze Highlands and Ireland mein freund' an then hike off to set up home in Sutherland or Kerry. If they are going to choose any team to have sympathy for it ain't going to be the Battle of Britain Appreciation Clubs-everyone's moved on....

There can only be one brand leader and that particular title ain't up for competition this year or indeed anytime soon.

Toodloo, off to feed Schmuck the cat and wander across town for the match after a spot of breakfast....


56

Wee Pal Joe,

02/02/2008 09:51:16
"As expected, the lap-top loyal have been very restiscent about Rangers' humiliating expedition out to Genoa" (53)

"Reticent" you mean? Headline on the back page of The Sun: "PASTA JOKE". A bit OTT if you ask me but that's The Sun for you (or rather, for those of you who don't buy into paranoid conspiracy theories).
57

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 02/02/2008 09:52:17
A wee ditty from the Vlad kickers

Blah, blah, Vlad sheep,
Have you any eyes
No sir, no sir
we swallow all his lies,
One about the manager,
Who'll have the final say,
Our season is now over
Its only January!

More verses welcome!


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Blah blah Vladsheep,
Have you any ears,
No sir, no sir,
I can't hear your fears,
Let's blame Stevie Frail,
Let's blame the team,
Let's not blame the little man,
Who shattered all our dreams.

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Blah Blah Vladsheep
Open your ****in eyes
you got rid of the man who sold the pies
replaced him with the russian
who claimed to be a banker
why cant you see
the mans a ****in w@@@@nker

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Blah blah Vladsheep,
Have you any sense,
No sir, no sir,
I am rather dense,
Vlad has a cunning plan,
Of that I have no doubt,
Let's just ignore the crock of s***
He regularly spouts.

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Blah Blah Vlad sheep
You are such a tool.
Let that little hitler
treat us all like fools.
Out of the scottish cup
and nowhere in the league
Stadium is still the same
So tell me what has changed!
__________________
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Blah, blah Vlad, sheep,
Are you really such a fool,
Yes sir yes sir,
VR really makes me drool,
with sand in my ears,
to dry up all the tears,
worst team i have seen in many ****ing years.
__________________
58

Waitin´and hopin,

02/02/2008 09:55:40
# 53 POS....Don´`t know what was embarrassing about the trip! But you´re right that the majority of Rangers fans are relieved, I for one didn´t know a lot about the player and the fact that no other Serie A club was interested casts dobts. Wait a minute , isn´t the same true of Donnutti ?! Well, lesson learned glad we kept our money!
59

Waitin´and hopin,

02/02/2008 09:57:24
56....saw Smith interview yesterday and it made sense to fly over in the private jet and speak to the boy. This is not an option to the Beggers as Ryanair don´t go there.
60

Lennon is King,

bothwell 02/02/2008 10:04:28
#59
too much to take,my sides have literally split open with your wit.
61

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 02/02/2008 10:06:06
And their's more

Bla bla Vlad sheep,
You've really got some baws,
Despite this circus pantomime,
You keep behind the cause,

But they kickers ain't much better,
wi' their fickle ragin' rants,
The one thing that we all concur,
Oor team is ****in; pants!
__________________
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Blah Blah vladsheep
Burley was the man
Getting sacked for drinking was such a ****in sham
We liked Rix and Valdas
And we like Stephen Frail
But with this management team we’re bound to ****in fail

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Blah Blah Vladsheep,
Have you any life !
No sir no sir I want to be his wife !
I suck on his **** !
And suck on his toe,
And canny handle anyone that tells him where to go !

62

Bosco Bhoy,

Donegal 02/02/2008 10:07:42
59 waitin

So you do admit that RFC under Mr Smith were looking in to the prospect of signing a fella many of their fans did not deem good enough?

Strange! i thought the messiah that is Mr smith could do no wrong.
63

Waitin´and hopin,

02/02/2008 10:16:47
# 62..Not at all, raed the post.I said I didn´t know anything about the guy but I accept that Smith and his backroom satff have a better insight than me. Good to see you acknowledge his position as MESSIAH
64

Boyne Bhoy,

Drogheda 02/02/2008 10:24:44
Ah, Mr Murray's fabled jet-at least he's consistently anti Green: arranging pointless journeys across Europe. Truly the Rangers way I suppose.

Anyway, you can fly to both Genoa and Brescia from London Stansted on Ryanair, frugal Celtic simply didn't think he was worth the effort.

Allegedly the Cardigan King has been after this guy for years and enquired at the opening of the window but waited till the window was almost back on the latch before travelling-really desperate to get his man? If not why did he travel at all??
65

Waitin´and hopin,

02/02/2008 10:28:03
Presumably he waited to see the situation with Cousin and Hutton....i.e. money, similar to what Chesney did with Robson, waited til he got the 750m k for jiri.
66

Reasoned Debate,

02/02/2008 10:36:02
Barry, You have been bought to dilute the opposition in line with most of the other signing the OF make from SPL clubs.
It's quite simple really: You wont get a game !!
67

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 10:37:07
63 waitin

You cant have it both ways.

You are delighted your club didnt sign him but obvisiouly Murray and Smith did want to sign him.

So tell me who's judgment should we ignore, yours or the senior people at Ibrox?
68

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 10:39:36
66 reasoned, maybe not

He will get a game if he merits his inclusion into the team via his application and ability. You only have to look at Scott McDonald to see what a player coming from a smaller club can do it at CP. Deeks should follow his example instead of clubbing it every fecking weekend.
69

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 10:46:12
reasoned debate

all you chip on the shoulder brigade that follow the other clubs in the SPL should be happy that Celtic and Rangers have needed to downsize their financial spending in recent years. Many of the 'local' lads playing for both clubs would have hardly been good enough for the reserves 10 years ago. Think of the many thousands CFC and RFC pump into Scottish football via the purchasing of players form these clubs.

Currently you have the best of both worlds- you sell us, often mediocre players for significant sums and since we no longer buy the same volume of foreign talnet you can sometimes give us a game.
70

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 10:47:31
#63

Could nobody pick up the phone at Ibrox...and just save everbody the time and effort?
71

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 10:51:32
#69...Bosco

Lets not forget the away support money they rely on so heavily!
72

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 10:54:39
#69

Or the TV revenue brought in!

Each team I understand get 7.5 % of the revenuE generated in Celtic selling the games to Japan!
73

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:10:50
#70 Nah I reckon they fancied a wee jaunt to Milan in Sir David's private jet.
74

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 11:18:00
#73...Rouleur

Fair enough....

I was beginning to think...maybe Minty had asked Wattie to take baldy bain out to be dealt with by the cosa nostra?
75

Bosco Bhoy,

Donegal 02/02/2008 11:22:57
Rouleur 73

"I reckon they fancied a wee jaunt to Milan in Sir David's private jet"

I was going to say 'hope RFC are not repeating the decadent mistakes of yesteryear as we both know where that got RFC' but then i thought no we dont actually know what the consequences of that era are, do we?
76

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:25:04
Paulmac, Bain most probably used the opportunity to punt some timeshares..the man looks like a second hand car salesman.

Anyway how many are you going to put past Killie today? I reckon Samaras will score a barrowload up here, he's a quality player and I wish we'd signed him.
77

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:27:36
Bosco...are you Al Gore in disguise? Are you saying Sir David's galivanting in his lear Jet is harming the environment? Well I am sure if you looked at the carbon emissions Nakamura has clocked up going back to Japan since coming to Scotland far outweighs a wee spin in the flugzeug for a spot of window shopping.
78

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 11:28:19
Rouleur

Did you know that Rangers chairman David Murray is the fifth richest person in Scotland with £750m.

However Dermot Desmond is estimated to be worth €2.121 billion and is ranked 5th on the Irish Rich List and 746 among 'The World's Richest People'.[1]

I wonder how many private jets Mr Desmond has.

79

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 11:32:06
Rouleur

This could be a first on this forum- you a RFC fan think a fella CFC has signed is good player were i think, based on what i saw of him in his Man City days is a bit of a dud. Granted he may be able to shine in the SPL but im not overly excited about him to tell the truth.

My earlier comments were less to do with the damage to the environment but more to do with damage to RFC finances. It was meant as a bit of craic, you know.
80

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:32:11
Bosco, he most probably owns his own airline also as for a while the canny man owned City Airport. Why doesn't he lay one on for his window shopping? Or is the habit of meeting in the fine fare car park too hard to shift?
81

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 11:35:07
Rouleur

He might if he isn't one of those 6 foot 5 forwards that jumps 5 foot 9...

Had to laugh...as he entered Fir Park last week...a reporter asked him a question...as he turned to answer...he kept walking....thud...head butted the top of the door frame....

He has to be more mobile than Jan.

Killie has always been a difficult ground to get a solid result for both Celtic and Rangers....and I don't see today being any different.
82

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:36:37
Bosco, I don't know Samaara granted did have an abysmal time in Manchester but lets be honest the whole team did under Pearce and even with all their dodgy $$ from that Thai guy they still lack a quality striker who'll bang in 20 a season. Samaras did the business at Heerenveen, he's young, big and a real handful. Would have been a perfect replacement for that diddy Cousin.
RFC finances..yeah oil is nearly $100 a barrel almost doubling in the last year. Would have been better saving it as it was a silly trip.
83

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:40:15
PaulMac, ouch, I once did that getting off a prop plane, fecking sore. Also once fell down the steps of a plane at Chambery, I to this day still blame the slippery conditions and nothing to do with the fact I had consumed half a bottle of vodka before I got on the flight.

3-0 Celtic is my prediction with Samaras and Robson on the scoresheet.
84

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 11:40:52
Has Rugby Park survived today's pitch inspection?

I'm looking forward to this one. I expect a big performance from Celtic. With Barcelona almost certain to put an end to their CL campaign, and Rangers now firm favourites for the SPL title, it's fair to say that the Scottish Cup represents their best prospect of a trophy this season, and their most obvious means of escaping a barren season.

It may not be easy though. Kilmarnock were very unlucky to go down to a freak own goal at CP a few weeks ago, and also drew there back on opening day, so a home match with Celtic will hold few fears for them.

Should be no place for the faint-hearted.
85

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 11:47:15
BE, I dunno Killie are mince. I might have a wee punt on them getting relegated. That result at the start of the season was with Naismith who was an irritant to the Celtic defence that day sadly they lack any cutting edge up front. Killie will be pumped.
86

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 11:49:10
Pitch apparently is in pefect condition.

Jim Jeffries has just said "the park will make for a great footballing game"

Gordo Strach says " the pitch is fantastic, give the groundsman the Groundsman of the Year award now"

Mon the hoops
87

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 11:50:27
Rouler

Robson is cup tied and isnt playing.

I reckon 2-0...Naka and McD...

88

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 11:54:49
Rouleur.

Good tactic to talk Killie down as much as possible. It just gives us so much more leverage for ridicule if they turn around and dump Celtic.

It's the Cup, though. They're the home team and they're up for it, so I think it will be competitive. Celtic should edge it, however. They'll be absolutely desperate to lift this trophy so they should be able to match Killie's level of desire.
89

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 11:57:30
jeffries has never beaten celtic as killie boss...

celtic have the greatest scottish cup record in the entire history of the tournament...we are also the holders...

2-0 the hoops

90

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:00:32
"celtic have the greatest scottish cup record in the entire history of the tournament"

Is that a pompous way of reminding us that they've won it a couple of times more than Rangers?

Too bad that the reverse is true, and more emphatically so, for both the League Championship and the League Cup...
91

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:00:48
oh oh...ref is Ian Brines...a policeman...

Maybe Killie have a chance afterall...
92

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:03:13
BE you just cant help yourself can you?

I used to throw you bait and smile when you bit. Now I don't even have to try.

song moment - here comes that 19th nervous breakdown...by the fabulous Rolling Stones.

93

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:05:28
No worries Tim.

I'm just pleased that Rangers are doing so well this season, given your view that our very best player isn't as good as the 25th best at CP.

In fact, it's almost miraculous.
94

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:08:18
no miracles...just referees...simple

If we had fair refs we'd be 10 pts clear

Onto the match and Celtic have started well...Caddis looking comfortable, McGeady probing and broonaldo running the show...
95

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:09:45
Celtic's subs today...

Mark Brown
Sno
Samaras
O'Dea
Hartley

I cant think of one rfc player that i'd want on the bench in place of those guys...
96

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:09:59
If you had better players you'd be 10 points clear, you mean.

Only the most bitter and terminally deluded can put it down to corrupt refereeing, the last refuge of the desperate.

Life at the top is peachy.
97

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:15:01
14 mins gone...3 decisions wrong already by ref Brines...guess which team suffered...yep all against Celtic...

VofH misses a sitter, but Celtic starting to crank it up...

Donati and Broonaldo having good games

98

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:16:16
naka free kick...

99

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:18:27
hits the wall...celtic still in control...

100

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:18:38
Naka free kick, he says expectantly...

He's hardly Charlie Adam, is he?
101

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 12:18:53
Tim, what's going on with Donati's beard? He looks like he's Amish. A poor effort indeed.
102

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:19:42
yet another decision against celtic...even billy dodds says "it's never a foul"
103

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:20:30
100

No he's not Adam...he's NOT a fat ugly thug...

104

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:21:10
Rouleur.

He says he won't shave until Celtic win a trophy.

Should make a convincing Santa by next Xmas!!!
105

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:21:21
McD thwarted after a great Celtic move...
106

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:22:12
Ah Tim.

I used to throw you bait and smile when you bit. Now I don't even have to try.
107

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:22:41
McD misses one then a minute later McD scores another cracker...

Brilliant play from Naka and Caddis, great finish by McD...

108

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 12:23:06
BE, haha!
109

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:23:26
McD misses one then a minute later McD scores another cracker...

Brilliant play from Naka and Caddis, great finish by McD...

110

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:23:26
McD misses one then a minute later McD scores another cracker...

Brilliant play from Naka and Caddis, great finish by McD...

111

Sláine,

02/02/2008 12:23:36
#82 Rouleur - Good to see that there are others that look without the confines of the SPL/EPL at players, Samaras certainly did the business at Heerenveen, in a team where he played alongside Klaas Jan Huntelaar he did well, in a competition that is renowned for it's technically and tactically good football...

...not saying that he is the new Henrik, but he has the potential to be something special...

...However, as usual, it remains to be seen whether or not he can adjust...

...I do have the sneaky feeling that Samaras, Hinkel and to a lesser extent Robson are the signings that can make all the difference in the run in...

...let the games commence.......
112

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 12:23:58

Bemused
#84
"With Barcelona almost certain to put an end to their (Celtic) CL campaign"
"Rangers now firm favourites for the SPL title"

Very optimistic are you not?
Can you show me a bookie that has RFC as firm favourites?

#96
"Only the most bitter and terminally deluded can put it down to corrupt refereeing"

I thought we got this all sorted, not corrupt as in some pre meditated and contrived way just old fashioned human psychological behaviour as you have admitted can occur, its called biased referring and it does happen.
113

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:24:47
Was that 2 identical goals that Skippy just scored, or did Tim just get trigger happy?
114

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:25:21
1-0 to the holders....

Nice to see BE using my lines...maybe the old dog can learn new tricks...
115

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:26:54
Celts are playing excellent...

Caddis having a good game
116

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:29:58
I probably could show you a bookie that has Rangers as favourites, Bosco, but you and I both know that championships are won by the players. (Or by the referees, according to Tim).

I would argue your use of "biased" regarding officials. That sounds too close to corrupt to me. I do think however, that referees can be susceptible to pressure, such as 50,000 bears inside Ibrox or bhoys inside CP.

but I firmly believe that they do their best to be as fair as possible.
117

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:31:43
VofH hits the post...then two cleared off the line...nearly 2 nil...again magnificent play by THE CHAMPIONS

Its all one way...VofH smashes a shot on target and coombe beats it out...good save...
118

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:33:16
Invincible takes on Mick but our Captain makes an excellent tackle...
119

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:36:04
a crunching tackle by Naka...and Gibson of Killie writhes on the ground in agony before hobbling off...

Get in Naka

From the free kick the ball breaks to Corrigan...he shoots from 25 yards and Boruc makes a great save..
120

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 12:39:00
Bemused

I'm fair and honest as the day is long, i think- but come a football matche that involves my club and i need to ref it then i know my ability to always be fair with the 50-50 decisions is put to the test and i dont always pass it. Its not something i think about beofre hand its just normal human programming.

Thats why in England you have to declare what team you support as a ref as they are aware of the very thing you are trying to deny.
121

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:40:02
VofH booked for late challenge...

122

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 12:40:17
Tim, thesy are certainly playing well, however not sure Killie are the greatest test. Not trying to denigrate the performance but they are mince. More importantly what's with the running commentary? Also why aren't you at the game as the attendance looks shockingly small.
123

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:41:52
Close chance for Killie...ball flashes across goal...
124

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:43:20
That still falls a long way short of "corrupt" though, Bosco.

And there can't be too big a difference in Scotland these days regarding numbers of Rangers supporters against Celtic supporters, so therefore probably not too big a difference in numbers regarding referees either.

So why is it only Celtic supporters who bang on about corrupt refereeing?
125

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:44:28
rouler...not at the game cos I am in London and even if I'd had a ticket I doubt I'd have got through the weather...

Running Commentary is for those who cant see the game...
126

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:46:12
only 4 Catholics are refs is Scottish football...approx 8%
127

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:47:01
Maybe so, but Celtic aren't a Catholic club, are they?
128

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:47:05
If it was proportionate...it would be 23%

HT - Celtic up and on top...great first half from the Bhoys...
129

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:48:21
127 who mentioned Celtic???

I am only showing a disproportion... dont know how many Refs are Celtic fans
130

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 12:51:19
Bemused

Its plainly absurd to claim there are the same amount of RFC as CFC fans in Scotland. Outside of Scotland we dominate but in a country were approx 80% of the poulation are non RC its only reasonable to presume most refs are clearly not in favour of Celtic.

Lets not be pedantic about CFC and RFC and whether they are RC or Prod clubs, we know fine well that is basis as to how many people decide what team they will follow.
131

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:51:30
130 silly billy...it was a great save...he did the job and kept the ball out...

STAND UP FOR THE CUP HOLDERS

132

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 12:53:26
Bosco take religion aside...I reckon over 70% of Refs support RFC...

It should be declared in Scotland...the cheating bias has to stop...

133

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 12:55:57
Bemused

I and many other Celts are not saying refs are corrupt but are like everybody else in society and face the same limitations when attempting to act in a completely impartial manner.

That’s the very reason why President's try and jam the Supreme Court with judges with a leaning to their views. It’s called bias decision making and nobody claims these judges are corrupt but just susceptible to human failings.
134

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 12:55:57
That's five and a half games without conceeding a goal from the defence which the lap-top loyal would have you believe is the worst in Scotland.

A decent first half from Celtic...Naka looks quiet.

Caddis is looking very comfortable, and is enjoying his first start.
Donati has come into the game. JVOH could see himself getting subbed at around 70 minutes. His first toich has let him down a few times.

We need another couple to be safe.

135

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 12:57:39
Tim, not a jibe just a question and fair enough if you are in London. As for the fans who cannae watch it..check out freefootball.tv sorry Tim but it beats your commentary.

Anyway whereabouts in London? PS Don't say Kilburn ;-)
136

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 12:58:04
Bosco

I don't think that Protestant V Catholic numbers in the West of Scotland, where the OF mainly draw their local support from, is anything like 4 to 1 anymore. Probably not much more than 2 to 1. And while it's a fair certainty that very very few RCs support Rangers, there is probably a much larger number of Celtic fans from Protestant backgrounds.

My initial point was that regarding referees, there was probably not much difference between numbers of Rangers fans and Celtic fans, to which tim jumped straight in and quoted some stats about the amount of Catholic referees, yet I'd never mentioned religious denomination at that point!
137

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 12:58:43
Tim 133

I dont know about the 70% of refs support RFC but i feel very confident in saying that it will not be amazing if Rangers supporting refs outnumber celtic supporting refs on a ratio of 4:1.
138

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 12:58:51
So what's the attendance today? It looks pretty low. Maybe 8,000? Usually Celtic fill both ends, where is everyone?
139

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 13:06:49
Bemused

Rangers have a significant following well outside of Glasgow and the west of Scotland and for many are the ‘national club’ a sort of Real Madrid albeit with much less euro cups, the establishment and all of that. I have no probs with that but you can’t divorce from the analysis that since refs are drawn from all over Scotland the likelihood of them being pro RFC rather than proc Celtic is quite large.

How you deny these obvious ‘truths’ is beyond me.

Remember im not saying that Murray is phoning the Masons who get onto the Orange Order who email Special Branch who call round to see a ref the night before a Celtic Rangers match for a wee friendly chat. That’s JFK , Mafia CIA etc stuff im just saying refs are humans and can’t always act in a truly impartial manner.
140

Thommo,

Glasgow 02/02/2008 13:07:33
"a crunching tackle by Naka...and Gibson of Killie writhes on the ground in agony before hobbling off...

Get in Naka" (#119)

A foul but Knacker isn't booked by the Masonic referee.

As for the percentage of Catholics in Scotland (#128) it's around 15%, not 23%.
141

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:08:19
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




142

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:09:21
Get Caldwell....

Go home ya huns sing the fans...brilliant
143

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:10:02
This has 4 or 5 nile written all over it...rout is on the cards...
144

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:10:19
nile? Nil of course
145

Bosco Bhoy1,

02/02/2008 13:12:03
Thommo 142

"As for the percentage of Catholics in Scotland (#128) it's around 15%, not 23%."

But still come the weekend more RC's are in Church than Protestants, so for many it s just a tag a badge.
146

Thommo,

Glasgow 02/02/2008 13:14:35
As for what team referees might have supported as boys, it's similar to players who supported one team but went on to play well for another.
147

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:15:51
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VofH....Get in Big Man...Great Finish.....


Easy Easy

Ha ha BE ridicule us ha ha...not for the faint hearted...ha ha ha

Ooh ahh samaras
say ooh ah samaras

sing the fans........
148

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:17:17
McGeady booted and then booked..disgrace
149

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:18:34
3-0 after an hour...

the bhoys are back in town...the real celtic are back...

roll on the treble...
150

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:21:41
silly billy - wee jealous narra saddo...
151

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:23:16
an injured naylor lets invincible cross and killie score a close range header...

But McD makes it 4-1 a minute later....

Rout...all too easy for the best team in Scotland.
152

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 13:23:21
I have no problem with Celtic winning 3-0 Tim.

I actually think that Celtic are a good team. Indeed, in Scottish terms, a very good team, and they seem to be proving that today. I also think that Rangers are a good team, and that there are fine players on both sides.

That's the difference between us.
153

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:24:41
Samaras on for McD....

I reckon the big man will score...

Naylor struggling with injury
154

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 13:33:50
Is it 2 bookings and a ban in this competition?

I can see Celtic missing some big names in the semi or Final if they get there.
155

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02/02/2008 13:41:39
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156

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 13:43:59
I know....

Tremble, Rangers, TREMBLE!!!!
157

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:45:37
Nearly another from Samaras...

we are running riot....
158

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:47:41
This has to be the best performance by the hoops all season....we could have scored 15
159

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 13:49:13
Shots are 25-9.

13-6 on target.
160

Colin P,

02/02/2008 13:50:23
Interesting to see that not one Celtic supporter has complained about the orange boots worn by their new player....

Now, cast your mind back a few years at the outrage that another SPL team would DARE to have an orange away strip!

And...Barcelona have an orange away strip...oh dear.

Cue the bigots
161

Colin P,

02/02/2008 13:51:53
William Hill has the following odds for the SPL

Rangers 4/7
Celtic 5/4
162

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:52:12
BE are RFC playing this coming midweek?

163

Sláine,

02/02/2008 13:52:54
#164 - Sad and totally unnecessary Colin P, why so bitter?...

...not usually your style...

...you wouldn't be, naw, not you surely?...

...nervous?.......
164

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 13:53:48
Tim.

Not at the moment. You suddenly fancy a quickly arranged OF game after that?

However, if the game at Easter Road tomorrow is a draw, then this midweek is the ONLY possible time for a replay.
165

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 13:56:34
Terrific performance by Celtic today....

For the short time Samaras was on...he looked good...

This will kick us on....the timing couldn't be better!
166

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:56:43
164

Colin why would Rangers have an orange away strip...what has the colour orange got to do with RFC?

Also I dont care what colour boots a player wears as long as he puts them to good use...
167

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 13:57:35
Well done Celtic an emphatic victory and the result superceded my prediction of 3-0 but I did say Samaras would score. Anyway back to reality, Killie are atrocious, a pub team at best. They have systematically sold all their best talent and not replaced it. Like I said earlier a good bet for relegation. If not this season then definitely next. The reason I say this is a good friend of mine is a Killie fan and he walked out in disgust at the inept performance.
168

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 13:58:03
That was a blistering second half performance...and big Samaris' goal was a belter...it was Larsonnesque, the way he collected the ball in such a wide position, and then turned absolutely hee-haw into a goal.
Getting goals from nothing is the mark of a good striker.
As the ball hit the back of the net, you could easily imagine the teeth of thousands of Rangers fans, shattering a la tom and jerry, their faces frozen in a dumb smile.

The Celts were red hot in the second half, and made Killie look like third division. It was an absolute slaughter.

My man of the match is the prodigious Paul Caddis...this young man has a great future.
169

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 13:58:11
168

BE reason I am asking is because next week is an international week.

Why was this week left free? Is it becuase of potential replays in the Scottish Cup?

170

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 13:58:18
'Go home ya huns sing the fans' (144)

Hmm. And some Celtic fans try to tell us "hun" just means Rangers supporter....
171

Rouleur,

On ma bike 02/02/2008 13:58:34
Tim, what has the colour orange got to do with Barcelona? Or for that matter DUFC? It is just a colour after all.
172

Boyne Bhoy,

Drogheda 02/02/2008 13:58:50
Colin P: Thought our 'brothers' on the southside wore Tangerine as per representative Nick PEEL? Tic have had players wear all different colours of boots since plain black became passe. What's your point. Everyone knows wht the southside brethren chose their colours. Remember the Shenzhen debacle-sold the orange strip in the official shops (long since sold off now of course!) Number 1 seller allegdly and it transpired was actually 2nd or 3rd strip as Shenzhen 1st kit is green! You really are a sad bunch aren't you? You have a formal tie up with another club but the colour of the kit puts you off. Meanwhile I can vouch for the acy I have seen plenty of blue tops in Paradise whether Brazil away, Sweden away etc etc-would have said ad infinitum but suspect you object to Latin.

Oh the colours they are fine unless they are green! Surprised you like Rangers being a personal fiefdom, I always think of them as limited......
173

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:00:57
172

Here here Patrick...

Caddis must be one of the best right backs in Scotland now...wonder if Man U will bid £20 million for him as he looks twice the player Hutton Muttonheid was/is.

174

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:02:29
Tim.

I think it's an international "get-together".

Scottish Cup replays would be the following Wednesday, but Rangers would have to do it this Wednesday, because they have a UEFA cup tie on the following one.

Rangers next free midweek after this one is on 19th MARCH (if they get past Panathinaikos) so it's a pretty tricky situation.
175

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:04:00
Strachan now has a selection headache ...all three strikers scored today, McDonald bagging a brace.

Samaris almost got a hatrick and was only on the park 15 minutes. Big Jan had a fine second half, and his finish for his goal was world class.

These are problems which are long, long , overdue at CP.
And they are most welcome.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:04:06
So if it's a draw tomorrow at Easter Rd...then RFC have to play this wednesday coming?
177

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:04:56
Logically, yes. Because they have no other free midweeks before the next round.
178

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:07:05
Patrick were you surprised that WGS subbed McD, Broon and Mick?

I thought he would have subbed Nayls, Donati and VofH.

All I can think is he feels our younger players need a rest...
179

Colin P,

02/02/2008 14:08:45
The sa part is that the Rangers orange strip was actually an issue with Celtic support...so much so that it was removed.
What difference should it make to you what colour a team wears? If indeed it was "tangerine" then why the outcry?

Let's face it, you whine when it suits you.
I'm not nervous about anything. Celtic played well today, young Caddis looks good....in fact, Hinkel might have a fight on his hands when he returns.
Remember though, this Kilmarnock team is dire. To be shouting from the rooftops that Celtic are amazing suddenly is a bit premature.
The OF game will tell. One way or the other. I'm not worried about the result, as I know Rangers have improved vastly over last season, and are still improving.
180

paulmac,

surrey 02/02/2008 14:09:08
#174

And some Rangers fans try and suggest it's sectarian!

Now maybe you'll understand it ain't.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:11:22
I though it was six and half a dozen whether McD or jvoh gave way to Samaris...they were both on yellows, and SM can get a bit narky , and robust in the challenge ..jvoh has a cooler head.

Again, I thought Brown was, inexplicably, starting to lose the rag a little bit. He was getting a bit moody, and on a yellow.

Big McManus was injured and I think he came off as a precaution.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:11:38
I think that the Orange strip is best left alone.

Rangers claimed that it was a tribute to the heavy Dutch influence at the club.

Celtic fans preferred to see it as a tribute to a different Dutchman from the House of Orange.

It's water under the bridge.
183

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:13:46
#184,

No, it just shows the depth of some Celtic fans' bigotry. They regard Ayrshire as a Protestant stronghold and Kilmarnock as a Protestant club.
184

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:16:47
187

Ayrshire a protestant stronghold ? Is it ? Tell us more.
185

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:17:57
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186

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:18:19
"Ayrshire a protestant stronghold ? Is it ?" (#188)

Some Celtic fans regard it as such.
187

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:18:38
Killie a protestant club? Tell us more?
188

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:19:29
How many Celtic fans ? Have you counted ?
189

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:19:34
190

Would you say Scotland is a protestant country?
190

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:20:08
It never felt like a Protestant stronghold when I was growing up. I keep getting told on here that Protestants outnumber Catholics about 4 to 1 in Scotland, but that certainly didn't fit with the split in North Ayrshire which seemed almost 50/50 to me.

I would say that the proportion of non-denominational secondary schools to RC ones in North Ayrshire was only around 2 to 1.
191

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:20:20
What exactly is a 'Protestant Stronghold' ?
192

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:20:27
190

Can you tell me what Protestants are protesting against these days?
193

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:21:47
194

Wouls u say it was an Irish Catholic IRA stronghold where you grew up in SaltyCoats?
194

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:23:36
"Killie a protestant club?" (191)

Some Celtic fans regard it as such. Perhaps it's partly their sectarian paranoia over the game at Rugby Park when they lost the league on the last day of the season.
195

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:24:43
Absolutely not Tim, although they certainly had their sympathisers, as they would have had in other parts of Scotland.
196

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:24:50
198 we also won the title twice at Rugby Park in recent seasons, does that make it a catholic club?
197

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:25:01
186 - It was claimed by Rangers, to be a tangerine strip, so in my book that absolves Rangers of any charge that they tried to make a buck out of the lowliest of all lowest common denominators.

Exploiting those of limited IQ was the 23rd immutable law of marketing that Al Ries and jack Trout deemed too unethical to make their famous " Immutable laws of marketing" book and hence there were only 22.

But as you say, water under the bridge!

198

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:25:35
"Can you tell me what Protestants are protesting against these days?" (196)

You misunderstand the meaning of the word "Protestant". It doesn't refer to "protest" in the usual modern sense of the word.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:25:38
Teary,

In order to maintain the false pretence that 'hun' is pejorative reference to a Protestant, you accuse an indeterminate number of Celtic fans of holding the view that they regard Ayrshire as a "protestant stronghold", a term which you seem unable to define.
200

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:27:15
"It never felt like a Protestant stronghold when I was growing up" (194)

Once again the point is about how it is regarded by an element of the Celtic support.
201

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:27:34
Laddies, Tim, Bemused, lets not let this slip into one of those painful religous debates....theres a lot of football points to be discussed today. Like:

Did the beginning of the end of Rangers title challenge happen on a day that they werent actually playing?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:28:13
Dominick.

I've got a nice collection of Rangers strips from the last 20 years, and the tangerine effort was one of the most attractive.

Too bad about the furore.
203

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:28:20
"we also won the title twice at Rugby Park in recent seasons, does that make it a catholic club?" (200)

Do Celtic fans harbour grudges about those games too?
204

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:28:46
199

and england, an wales, and canada, and USA, and Australia, and South America, and in the middle east, and in many latin countries in Europe...

Bet the English (then British) wished they'd never attempted genocide against the Irish people.
205

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:30:57
There's NO chance of me slipping into a religious debate, Dominick.

How can Rangers title challenge slip on a cup day?
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:31:46
Never seen the game, but my brother, who has been very critical of Celtic all season was quite excited about the team (granted opposition were poor) and claims Samaras looked good, tanned, great hair, nice legs.....only joking, but looked a good player.
207

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:31:47
202

so what does it mean then?

Catholic means universal.
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Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:32:05
"What exactly is a 'Protestant Stronghold' ?" (195)

It's pretty obvious I would have thought. An area where there is a high proportion of Protestants. Also, in the case of Ayrshire which is close to Northern Ireland, a relatively high amount of Loyalist sympathy and activity.
209

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:33:10
208

why would cfc fans harbour grudges on league winning days for celtic?

210

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:33:11
I never said slip - that would indicate that Rangers needed to slip - what i mean is, there is now a team in the SPL that is better than any other team by a clear gap. That team is Celtic - your thoughts, sir?
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 14:33:35
Teary, there is an alternative, far less far fetched than your own homespun beliefs, and that is that a section of the Kilmarnock support do 'play the orange card' with the Celtic support, in much the same way , but on a smaller scale, as many Hearts fans do.

The term 'hun' is used by a number of Celtic fans to identify those supporters who 'play the orange card', NOT the 'Protestant Card', so to speak, the blatant , in-your-face, anti-catholic card.
212

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:33:35
212,

Professing your own faith, your own beliefs.
213

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:33:40
Just saw Hutton warming up on Sky Sports, while Ronaldo was doing the same opposite him.

An interesting clash of two mega-talented young footballers.
214

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:35:26
BE

213 says where you grew up was in fact full of loyalist sympathisers. Are you sure there guys coming roon yer doors weren't collecting for the UDA/UVF?
215

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:37:03
"Teary, there is an alternative, far less far fetched than your own homespun beliefs, and that is that a section of the Kilmarnock support do 'play the orange card' with the Celtic support, in much the same way , but on a smaller scale, as many Hearts fans do." (216)

So it is a religious/sectarian reference. Now we're getting somewhere. The thing is it is often applied to Hearts fans when they are not "playing the Orange card", as you put it e.g. "Huns without the bus fare".
216

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:37:05
218

I know yer chucking oot some bait...but I will respond nonetheless...Hutton Muttonheid will be a lamb to the slaughter today.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:38:30
217

So what faith do you profess?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:38:59
Interestingly, Dominick, I've said since day one that Celtic's strongest team was more talented than Rangers equivalent, and this hasn't changed.

Where Rangers score heavily is in squad depth, which Celtic allowed to become too light at the start of the season. January's activity may just have cancelled that advantage out.

Tim, however, as he stated yesterday, doesn't believe that there's one single player in the Rangers team with enough talent to deserve a place in the Celtic squad. If that is true, then Celtic will surely now run away with the title.

Personally, though, I suspect it will be desperately close.
219

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:41:01
198 - from my perspective, the only problem i had with the Kilmarnock team on that day was their attitude. They were time wasting in the last 10 minutes of a game at home when they were losing heavily. Thats the peroagative to conduct themeselves in what ever manner they wish, but to be honest, I would have thought they should have been trying to save some face and lessen the gap.

But thats the difference in the mindset of Celtic (fans and players) who would expct better. As for Killie - small team, small men - best they will ever be able to hope for is the occasional small victory which they got that day.....while losing 5-1.

I dont like their club and its got nothing to do with Christianity as everyone knows the town is yet to see it!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:41:12
Tim #219

LOL

They would have had lots of joy at RC doors, would they not?

There may have been a UDA equivalent nearby, but they certainly didn't visit us, and wouldn't have been welcome either.
221

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:43:04
223 - I'd take Whittaker, Thompson and Ferguson. If I'm being honest!


Give you 5 million for them all



"Done" shouts Murray!
222

Pax V,

02/02/2008 14:43:34
225

Why not?
223

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:45:53
Why not what, Pax?
224

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:46:26
226

why? none of them would enhance the squad.
225

Pax V,

02/02/2008 14:47:38
228

Your closing comment in 225.

Why not?
226

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:48:07
tick tick tick....only 10 mins to the start of the Hutton humiliation....
227

Pax V,

02/02/2008 14:48:57
Hi Tim,

werent Sellick great today?

Caddis looked a bit tasty..

Good debut from Oo aa.

Early days....but looks promising.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:49:44
Of course you would Dominick.

You may also be interested in McGregor as back up to Boruc. You may just think that a fully fit Smith is a better left-back than Naylor. You may grudgingly like Bazza's passing and passion. You may think that Cuellar is a decent central defender. You may admire Hemdani's neatness. You may even find a use for the flair and trickery of Burke or Naismith.

It's just possible.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:50:06
Tim,

I'd say that Ferguson or Thompson would easily have put in superior performances to Donati who while sometimes looking like a good footballer, has been "Jews wish" on too many occasions. Whitaker will do as a replacement Hinkel when were resting him for the CL final and Mark Wilson can come and make me my tea at work and deliver the mail round the office.
230

Pax V,

02/02/2008 14:50:34
Tim,

I think you might have confused Teary.

Like others he knows who\what he is AGAINST....but he doesnt know what he's FOR!
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 14:51:13
Celtic were magnificent today . New signings have obviously had the desired effect on the existing players. A few upped their games considerably .

Nakamura, McGeady, JVofH,Caddis and Samaras for a cracking goal were all excellent .

I think Caddis though deserves motm for a composed and confident first full 90 mins.
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02/02/2008 14:52:18
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 14:53:41
Bemused

Whereabouts in Ayrshire are you from? I'm also originally from there.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:53:42
223 - Is Burke a better player than Riordan - if your being honest, you'd have to say he isnt.

Smith is injured - we have enough injured players apart from we could possibly do with Lee Naylor getting injured to help the title challenge. What use is he to us and is he any good - I cant remember...if he was, will he be good again.....lets wait and see.

Yes, I would also take Cuellar - yeah, he would be an addition.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 14:56:19
Saltcoats, Stevie.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 14:56:19
237 - No idea, but he does!
238

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 14:57:04
237

Pax, Alex Miller? Aye remember him well. Who can forget his epilelptic fit on the pitch at Hampden when McGhee overpowered him and then cross for WGS to score a third for Eberdeen as they hammered RFC 4-1 in the Scottish Cup Final.

239

Teary Ennui,

02/02/2008 14:57:55
222

None.

Decent performance by Celtic today against a Killie side who will have to hope that Gretna continue to perform poorly.
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kenny mcg,

02/02/2008 15:00:21
#238 Tim,

Pleased with the result today? Listen mate, i work with a guy who is a Rugby Park season ticket holder and he is demented about how crap Killie are and for even Caldwell to score as well really cements that feeling. So id watch your praise of your team until you come up against a more superior set up (no dis respect to Killie) the score today was a foregone conclusion.............
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 15:02:34
Bemused

My wifes from Saltcoats and I'm from Kilwinning. I take it you dont live there anymore.

Saltcoats was always regarded in the past as a bit of a Catholic 'enclave' in Ayrshire with two large Catholic parishes. Kilwinning has historically carried an image of a bigotted anti-catholic backwater with some justification but even there the catholic parish St Winins has 2000 parishioners out of a population of aroung 15 thousand so its hardly a protestant stronghold.

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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 15:04:27
We can only destroy, with clinical precision, the teams who are in front of us mate.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 15:04:40
Wise old Fergie has switched Ronaldo back to the right wing so he doesn't have to deal with Awesome Al Hutton.

The old devil knows his stuff!
244

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 15:05:48
246 - Stevie, what if he used to go out with your mrs?
245

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 15:07:28
Stevie

I've lived down in Berkshire for over 20 years now, but go back to Saltcoats regularly. My dad and sister are still up there. I lived at the top end, above the North Parish church.

Kilwinning has practically been swallowed up by Irvine these days!
246

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 15:09:09
248 - Naturally, Ramos who now knows who Alan Hutton is, after being informed by the press 3 weeks ago, has signed him to seriously mess with fergies game plan.

I totally agree! - Ps, why do you think that wasn't deemed newsworthy enough for a single scottish newspaper to print a story about it (Ramos at the now infamous pres conference) - and dont say: because it didnt happen?
247

Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 15:15:23
249 Dominik

Unlikely mate she was plucked straight from the tree.

250 BE

I lived for a couple of years in the top end of Salltcoats. It was a bit grim then but if you visit these days I guess you get a shock at how bad the area has got. Junkies and dealers everywhere.

I only left Kilwinning last year and the town was spreading out in all directions. Its probably closer to joining up with Stevenston than Irvine. The houses are all being snapped up by Glasgow commuters due to the excellent train service.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 15:18:43
Anyway, we are drifting off the point...Samaras showed his quality today. The way he carved out that goal for himself was very impressive...

And what about young Caddis...if he keeps this up, it's another headache for GS when Hinkel comes back in.
A very assured performance ...he plays the RB position very well.

We just blew Killie away, the first time we've really blown anyone away in a long time. The players will get a huge lift from that. And great news that Puyol is apparently out injured for the CL match.

Are we heading for the last 8 ? I get more confident that we can do this with every passing day.

That's more like it Celtic ....plenty more of that if ya please.

HAIL ! HAIL !
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 15:20:24
Stevie

Have you checked out the "threetowners" website?

It's an ex-pat site for people from Ardrossan, Saltcoats, Stevenston, Kilwinning etc. Really interesting. A lot of members in Oz. I've got old school friends in Melbourne and Brisbane.
250

the boke,

02/02/2008 15:21:12
Oh deary deary me. A pantry bare Killie is put to the sword by RAt-ic and dHimy Tim-me pronounces "roll on the treble". Now with "them" already out of the CIS cup I can only assume he aint totally thick and actually includes the CL. Lets see now Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Kilmarnock! yeah I see where your coming from its all wrapped up then. Another gem to place beside the comic prdictions of the WattieMittyT1tty. Astonishing!
Looks like Rangers will have to surmount their toughest away venue in Scotland once again to make the next round. Has the draw already been made, I take it sickly Melts will get the lowest seeded team once again. Into the bag go 14 heavy and two light balls for draw master Neil Lemmon.
Spurs one up to Man U! Wonder how they feel so confident.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 15:23:01
Hutton-inspired Spurs lead Man Utd!
252

Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 15:24:38
BE

No I havent have you got a link.
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kenny mcg,

02/02/2008 15:25:29
#253
To add to my post (245) So....beating Killie today has convinced you that you are going to dump Barca on the was to the last 8? ? ha ha ha ha ha ha

Follow Follow
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 15:26:05
Stevie

It's just www.threetowners.com

You'll probably find somebody you know. Take a look.
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kenny mcg,

02/02/2008 15:40:36
#258

On the WAY to the last 8.
again..............
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Follow Follow
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the boke,

02/02/2008 16:02:36
So "them" win a romping 1-5. Where are all the R.U.I.N.S etc............... Nowhere not even an "inspite of them" post. (que a plethora to cover tracks) We only hear the pain and suffering find its cypher when they are dumped on their erses and cry like good little MOPEs. That will be Smaras told to grow a beard and resemble the second "c*m-minger!" since in one goal on a debut (theres a revalation) he is obviously the new Lar-son-of Diver! I never saw the game but did Sama spend his entire contribution lying on his front spreadeagled on the grass and looking sheepishly at the ref!
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john devlin,

02/02/2008 16:06:46
I smell the smelly smell of something that smells smelly....Ahhh HUNS.
258

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the boke,

02/02/2008 16:16:57
#262 Odd name to call yer baws-bag!
260

Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 16:18:23
260 - Its unlikely Kenny, but the last 8 is still 'do-able'!

well if your actually still in the tournament, it is;-)
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 16:19:01
264 - Baws-bag?
262

the boke,

02/02/2008 16:21:08
#263 That isexactly the same endlessly optomistic post which we read throughout the summer break. No talk of R.U.I.N.S just Wattie will be PLG11 and it will all be over by Oct.........Nov......Dec and it all turned out to be RAt-ic who needed a clean out and massive re-inforcements to have a chance at salvaging something from their season. Now in typical MOPE fashion forget the facts and post that its all over by March!
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Alexei Verdy,

The Press Box 02/02/2008 16:21:56
Without doubt the BEST performance from Celtic all season and, possibly the best since WGS arrived. Didn't think that Killie were so bad; just that Celtic were on another level. When Naka gets forward like that, they look unstoppable. Serious selection problems for WGS methinks.
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john devlin,

02/02/2008 16:22:10
Thinking of you.

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john devlin,

02/02/2008 16:27:08
Bokey Bawbag....your just spittin blood cause your insides are eating themselves at the thought of your lot bottlin it again this season.

Make no mistake....we shall not be moved!!!!
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 16:27:16
268 - I reckon Naka is wasted out wide and would be better playing off 1 out and out striker with McGeady an A.N. Speedy Other on the right handside. He has little pace, but his defence splitting passing and his finishing with either foot is fantastic.

What do you reckon?
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 16:28:10
271 - Obviously I meant McGeady left and AN Other on the right.
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Colin P,

02/02/2008 16:46:52
I have to laugh at all those who bragged that Alan Hutton would be dismembered today. He just made a great stop on Ronaldo and does not look out of place against one of the top sides in the world.

Well done, young Alan!
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 16:52:48
Colin P!!! Thanks again for the link to clyde for use through Canada, I was listening to it this morning, but had to leave 3-0 Celtic to go to my 8 year old daughters game, she scored her first ever goal and guess what, the ref called it off must be some kind of conspiracy.

Its Ok though they won 6-0.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 16:55:09
I hope Alan Hutton does well and brings it back to the Scotland team.
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Colin P,

02/02/2008 17:03:29
#274 Finnharp
LOL please don't start....

Once again, you're welcome. Anything to promote Scottish football.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 17:13:24
Colin P Don't start what.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 17:14:25
I gave the clyde link to my Rangers fan mate, he used to listen to it regularly.
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the boke,

02/02/2008 17:24:12
London BBC Review Spurs Utd.

"Michael Dawson and debutant Alan Hutton in particular were imperious and United rarely looked like getting anything out of the game."

Looks like the Media conspiracy goes U.K wide then, eh MOPEs. Whats that you say Europe, The Western World, Earth, The solar system, the milky way...........





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Colin P,

02/02/2008 17:31:56
#277 Finnharp

don't start the ref conspiracy...lol
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 17:32:03
Boke, I hear Spurs & Rangers are under investigation over the Hutton sale, the reason and complaintant Sir Alex "He said I would have considered him if I knew he was available", there is something up with this sale and Enic Group & Joe Louis, which Rangers owes 40 Mil.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 17:33:35
I am telling you Colin P that 16 year old ref, she was terrible (one when my daughter scored), and my daughters team blue & white.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 17:36:39
Only when my daughter scored
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 17:49:37
BBC Sport site names Alan Hutton as Man of the Match in his debut against Manchester United.

Still hopelessly out of his depth, Tim?

Or is that you?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 17:56:13
#281

A load of nonsense.

Spurs first bid was made public at the start of January. Ferguson or anybody else had the option of matching the bid throughout the month, and neglected to do so.

His loss, by the look of things.
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Colin P,

02/02/2008 18:00:14
#282 Finnharp

Does the club your daughter plays in have a mentoring programme for young refs? They should always be given feedback, just not from irate parents.
I'm sure your daughter will score lots of goals. :-)
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 02/02/2008 18:12:21
285 BE

You seem quite chirpy about Alan Huttons performance today.

How much better would you have felt if he had still been playing for Rangers.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:12:22
BE
no I think you are wrong back in the first of January Ramos said "who id Hutton", Hotton said "Im not leaving Rangers".

Colin,

No the game was fine just havin a laugh, I hope she scores lots, it was he left peg to.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 18:17:15
Stevie.

I've made no secret of the fact that I wanted Hutton to stay, but I fully understand the importance of £9 million to RFC at this time. But he goes with my good wishes, and I hope that he is a huge success. I certainly think he has the talent.

Finnharp.

The fact of Rangers accepting Spurs bid has been known since early January. Other teams could have bid for him if they had wanted to. For anybody to now suggest that they didn't know he was available is just foolish.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 18:19:34
289 - Wake up son! His post was dripping in sarcasm!
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 18:20:53
285 - ps, Man Utd don't lose out to spurs on signing targets. if Man Utd want a player, he doesn't end up at Spurs.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 18:26:55
Well, you know what they say, Dom.

80% of communication is body language.

So it's easy to misinterpret on here.

I'm not sure that you're right though.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:35:49
BE, I am telling you Sir Alex is pissed, that a deal goes through without his blessing, because ENIC & TAVISTOCK GROUP want re-paid.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 18:38:25
I think I know who's "pissed", Finnharp.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:40:06
Were is all the usual posters, whos pissed.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:40:53
or is it pist
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:41:14
either way you get the point
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 18:44:02
Is English not your first language, Finnharp?

Just wondering.
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Finnharp,

02/02/2008 18:47:11
no
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 18:48:32
In which case you are doing a commendable job, but practice makes perfect.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 19:10:57
bemused author

its going to be 3 in a row , the helicopter changed direction on a fatful day for celtic but the jet story is the best story in years lol jan 31st ,the day the 3 in a row was won ,hey the big greek fellow looks some dud eh and with the orange boots and the hoops ,way to go son fly the flag lol
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 19:15:16
I don't think it's as high as 80% but yes, it appears I'm not right!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 19:37:03
Things are seldom as they seem on these threads, Dominick, but you do seem to make a sensible contribution, so the odd misjudgement is neither here nor there.
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wes mantooth,

02/02/2008 19:38:08
that was the best performance from celtic for a long time today. played some nice football and created a lot of opportunities.

great to see caddis do so well, though again lee naylor was poor. a basic thing for a full back is to at least try and stop the cross coming in but he never does it. we lost the goal as a result. if hinkel can play left back i'd consider playing him there with caddis on the right.

lovely composed finish from samaras for the 5th.
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Bosco Bhoy,

Donegal 02/02/2008 19:41:33
I for one thought Hutton had a brilliant last 12 months and in particular since August his performances have rarely dipped below 9/10.
No use RFC fans goating at the fact he was sold for 9-10 mill and telling Celtic fans they were all wrong about his ability.
First, all sets of fans do this especially when it involves players from your greatest rivals ( did RFC fans not tell us Larrson was pretty average and he would be found out at the higher level and guess what we learnt he could handle the Nou Camp and Old Trafford) and although i think Hutton will do well in the EPL lets see him do it week in week out and over a number of seasons, we only need to look at the abject failures of Bazza and Petrov to realise how big a jump it can be from the SPL to the EPL.

Oh another thing if he is this bloody good, well great, cos RFC will miss him big time as i dont see any other player at Ibrox who is attracting 9 million pound offers.
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wes mantooth,

02/02/2008 19:50:14
sounds like hutton did well today and good luck to him. you want to see any scottish player do well down in england. it is about doing it week in week out though.

i remember petrov having a blinder on his villa debut but it's not really happened for him.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 19:53:29
304 - Totally agree, Wesley. At the risk of sounding like a obsessional freak, Lee Naylor needs shooting and its no wonder Boruc looses it with him at least once in every single game. A defender who cant defend is as useful as well......something not too useful.

Caddis must be cursing his luck - a month into the season and the two senior players ahead of you in the pecking order for your position are injured with a CL campaign just beginning and then....he gets injured himself. Poor guy, I hope we haent seen the last of him when Hinkel gets fit.

Hutton has all the attributes to be a top full back, apart from his loose-cannon approach to 'asserting himself' on the pitch( or trying to act hard). If he curbs that, he will become that player!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 19:55:44
Bosco

You don't lose affection for a player who has played for your team after he leaves, particularly if he has come through the ranks, served you well, and appeared to leave reluctantly.

I wish only the best for Hutton, and I hope he shines in the Premiership and continues to serve Scotland well for the next decade.

By Scottish standards, however, it was a very large transfer fee, and I can't blame RFC for accepting, particularly when a very good right back of a similar age and style in Whittaker is already in place.

There are no other players at Rangers capable of attracting £9 million offers at the moment, although few of us could believe that Hutton did. Who knows, we may be sitting here a year or 18 months from now discussing a similar bid for Steven Smith, or Steven Whittaker, or Steven Naismith (what's with all these Stevens, by the way?), because the Hutton story would have been unthinkable back in 2006.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 19:59:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu02XFp9tjI

Samaras goal on youtube - first thing that strikes me is: Great hair, nice bounce when he runs. Reminds me of being in the jungle during Paul Elliots first season and a guy next to me asks his mate "do you think hes any good" to which his mate replies "nut, hes scheidt, the only thing good about hims his hair when he runs".....Henrik also had great hair so it augurs well for this guy!
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 20:01:04
308 - Yes, plenty of Stevens but why no Stephens. I think we all know the answer to that. Same old story over at the bigot-dome;-)
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 20:25:28
That must be one of our bigest wins at Rugby park...we've had 4 a few times, but I can't remember a five...and jings it could have been double that.

Samaris, Hinkel and Robson all apear to be great signings. Mizuno is the only signing whose abilities are unknown.

Samaras showed his quality today, and he has it in spades.We haven't seen many individual goals this seasom, McGeady has had two or three and McDONALD one or two. But taking the ball from where he collected it and turning it into a goal takes a special player. Henrik was the last player in Scotland who could score goals from nothing with dazzling regularity. Samaras might have added another two to his tally. He reads the game well, and uses the ball well in attack. You can see this guy scoring in every match.

So, Rangers fans had hoped that Samaris would prove a white elephant, but know now that the spl fits him like a glove...quite honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw Celtic play the way they did in the second half, which as it wore on Celtic seemed to get better and better. The passing was crisp and accurate, and the running of the ball was mesmerising to watch, and for Killie , a nightmare to contend with. When all our forward players hit form , as happened in the second half today, the overall effect is lethal.

Sugestions that Killie were useless are not valid in my view.
Until the fourth goal went in, Killie kept their heads up and kept pushing ...there was only a minute or so between their first and our fourth, but throughout the game, Killie stuck with it until we went 4v1 up. It was only then that they fell apart, but by then Celtic were in a state of supreme confidence, as though we could score with every attack. It was great to see the bhoys really shine , and offer such fantastic promise for the title run-in.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 20:35:04
Yep.

No hyperbole in Patrick-world.
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wes mantooth,

02/02/2008 20:41:38
311

we got a 5 nil in henrik's last season. seem to remember jefferies complaining about a penalty we got.

today was very encouraging.
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jerrymanders,

Rfc, they flatter to deceive. 02/02/2008 20:43:35
Celtic showed why they are the top team in Scotland today.
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cloud 9 02/02/2008 20:46:59
gerry cue ,the bemused author , with his usual boring stuff ,r u tryin to draw it oot him, do u know hes an author? he won,t take me on cause i,m to dam smart for him and his drivel ,good luck bhoy
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 20:48:49
Actually, jerry.

Measured by the most accurate barometer available, the SPL table, Celtic are actually the 2nd top team in Scotland.
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jerrymanders,

Author of his own............. 02/02/2008 20:51:08
#315

He's not that good, just like his team.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 20:52:02
lol lol lol told u jerry he was rite on cue ,what a bore ,hes an author u know,in the middle of his 3rd novel ,his 4th is LEER jet ---how the league was lost lol lol lol
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jerrymanders,

Polishing trophies. 02/02/2008 20:52:47
#316

Have you got silverware to back that up?
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Bosco Bhoy,

Donegal 02/02/2008 20:54:36
309 Dominick McGlinchey

Thanks for the link. Yep a classy finish and by the looks of it far greater mobility than either VoH or Magic.
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aficionado de ?,

author of bemused,s destruction 02/02/2008 20:54:49
oh mabe not hes the author of his own destruction lol
319 wait 4 the inane drivel reply from the bemused author lol mon the hoops
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jerrymanders,

Lord of the ayes 02/02/2008 20:55:17
#318

My stuff gets published.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud 9 02/02/2008 20:56:06
hey bosco ,where in donegal r yi ?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 20:57:11
Nobody has silverware in February, jerry, but the SPL title is the most accurate gauge when assessing who the best team in the country is, and right now, Rangers lead the race for that particular title, and are in the midst of a run which has persuaded the bookmakers, who are right far more often than not when it comes to a 2-horse race, to make them favourites. So, my confidence and belief are high, and are backed by the current positions.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud 9 , 02/02/2008 20:58:33
bemused author publishes his own novels and then sends the paint on the walls to sleep with them, he,ll be stripping the blue paint when he reads "LEER JET" THE DAY THE LEAGUE WAS LOST LOL
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aficionado de ?,

CLOUD NINE 02/02/2008 20:59:58
ON CUE AGAIN ,INANE DRIVEL ,BUT I LIKE THE BIT ABOUT THE "CURRANTS POSITION" LOL
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:02:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_yEKvvQ3Hs
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 21:03:36
PS If anybody wants a tip about some excellent new software, may I recommend the latest "bullshit filter" from PC World, which is now operational on my laptop.

My empty boxes at 321, 323, 325 and 326 are testament to its quality and effectiveness.
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jerrymanders,

If you are not first you are last... 02/02/2008 21:03:46
HEARTS?
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 21:08:35
Whatever Rangers fans might say, when you sell your best players , and don't replace them with the same quality , you are, as a result, weaker.

Conversely, if you add quality to your squad and lose a player for whom the term 'fringe' would be flattery , and a squad player who blew warm and cold, you get stronger.

Celtic have grown several inches, and Rangers have lost a few.

When we look back in May, all will agree that it was the deals done in the January window that won the title...Walter will I hope live to eat his words , that suggested 'January buying' is for the birds.

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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:08:39
Anyone know why box 328 is showing blank?
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:10:56
323

He's in a gorgious wee place to the north of Letterkenny.
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aficionado de ?,

ORANGE BOOTS N GREEN AND WHITE HOOPS 02/02/2008 21:11:30
ye i was at PC WORLD and got a hold of the LATEST "CURRANT" FILTER ON THE MARKET LOL

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aficionado de ?,

CLOUD NINE 02/02/2008 21:14:31
i,m a moville man masel ,over soon to try ma luck in the "town clock" , and mabe a wee trip to free derry n davincies will be on the cards ,can,t wait
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:16:20
aff de, 336

I'm a proud Glaswegian....but wi strong roots in Fanad.
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Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 21:16:37
323 aficionado de

Im just 15 minutes from Letterkenny in a wee place called Milford. I was chatting to a guy the day, whilst he was at the Celtic match, about taking kids over from my under 10's GAA and soccer teams to play in Glasgow. Soccer match one day and Gaelic the next then maybe catch a Celtic game.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 21:17:44
this is the story---rangers r skint ,murry says to joe lewis heres 9mil cash pay it in to rangers and we,ll give u hutton ,anybody who thinks otherwise is just plain daft ,bemused author?
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:18:21
My fellow Celts

anyone goin to the Barca game at CP?
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:19:36
aff de, 339

dont think he can see your 339.

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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:22:56
bosco

recognise this site?

http://www.ferryandcottage.co.uk/site/prop/prop.asp?fldProp=6637
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 21:23:06
hey the kids will love that,contact lawell he is keen to arrange tickets for irish school/clubs visitors ,mabe get the kids a tour as well, hail hail, p.s do u play against carn or moville, oh mind keep clear of muf-f lol
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:23:55
Hey Pax

Not me. Watching it on Sky Sports.

Talking of sky sports, I have just watched the whole first half of Man u v Spurs. Hutton has hardly been tested, in fact he's hardly had a touch of the ball. How can BBC site give someone on the complete fringes of the game MOTM?

I am disappointed Man U never turned up today to exploit Haddie Hutton. But there is time yet, he will be found out for the basic player he is.

Physically he can compete with the best but as a footballer Hutton is a muttonheid. Well done RFC for getting good money for him.

In one season's time I wonder what Caddis will be worth. £15 million?



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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 21:25:12
pax , my "currant " best on the market PC WORLD uefa 2008 SPAM FILTER is workin a treat lol
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:26:33
Hi Tim,

Aye, caddis was a bit special today.

Pity he isnae 6" taller.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 21:27:04
"I can't believe that everyone is buying the Murray Media spin that Rangers got £9 million for Hutton"

Here's a quote from a link on Tottenham's official website.

"Tottenham have finally agreed the transfer of Rangers right back Alan Hutton. The transfer of the Scottish International who has picked up 6 caps for his country will be completed before the end of the transfer window for around £9 million."
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 21:28:44
340 - no, but going to Barcelona with my brother. We booked the flights with the thought that at the very least we will be watching the game in a bar on Las Ramblas, but on the offchance asked guy from work who is from Barcelona if he knew any Barca fans who could help us with a ticket - i didnt thin he'd have any football connections as hes "Clark Kent" to the max - he told me his cousin works in the Museum at the stadium and is actually an employee of the club.
Fingers crossed!
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 21:29:08
Bemused, if Fergusson was out for 6 weeks through injury, do you think Rangers could hold on ?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:29:54
342

Totally agree. Watching Celtic today was a sheer joy.

Riproaring football with so many dimensions.

We are back b ig time and Rangers will be trembling.

Patrick, we won 5-0 at Rugby Park in 2004, Sutton got a Hat Trick.

ps...Just watched Hutton go on a wee ten yard run, lose the ball and dive theatrically. In Scotland he would have had a free kick...ref on this occasion waved play on...welcome to England Hutton, a land where refs are fair and have no Rangers bias.

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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 21:29:55
Pax, at a quick glance on youtube, I'd say Caddis is nearly 6 foot tall. Tall enough!
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:30:16
Dom, 350

Enjoy!

Great city too!
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 21:31:07
pax i,m taking this "currant" best PC WORLD UEFA 2008 spam filter, it gone on the blink ref 349 note the AROUND 9 mill ,hey this is a get oota jail card for rags it so transparent and the COLP will visit WALT ER disney land govan soon ,its jist such a fairytale
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:31:43
Dom, 353

I wish you were right!

Look at pic of him standing wi Scott McD:

http://www.celticfc.net/home.aspx
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:32:33
Celts,

did yous watch the link @ 327?

It's very funny.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:32:55
Dom

Caddis is 5ft 6.

Same height as Roberto Carlos.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 21:33:26
Domink, best of luck...and I hope all Celtic fans are able to demonstrate to Rangers fans, for the umpteenth time, that it is possible to go to a place like Barcelona, have a few sangrias but manage to do so without p*ssing everyone off....indeed, often we find ourselves being warmly received by our hosts.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 21:35:13
I have no idea, Patrick.

I don't even know if we can hold on with Ferguson available. As I admitted earlier, Celtic's strongest XI has more quality than Rangers equivalent, so it will be a white-knuckle ride, but it comes down to much more than pure talent on the field.
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aficionado de ?,

cloud nine 02/02/2008 21:38:39
james ,try not to expose the esteemed bemused author ,THATS MY SELF STYLED JOB LOL
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 21:42:31
Pax, Tim, I watched the Gorgeousio Samaras goal and he looked taller at the beginning, but have to concede, he looks like another midget from the Celtic production line.

i will enjoy the city, and Im sure we will be doing our best to establish a good reputation. I think the catalans may be about see the most surreal sights since their own salvador dali was in his prime as drunken Scots help suspicious old ladies across the road and pick up litter thats not even theirs just to try and make themselves look better than their bluenose bretheren.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 21:42:32
360 Bemused, I am genuinely much more confident. It is not bluster when I say that I think the worm has turned.
Time will tell if I am right. But, I fear that Fergusson is carrying this Rangers team on his shoulders. I think Hutton substantially shared that burden with him, but I don't see anyone else in the team that Ferguson will be able to have the same kind of interaction with.

I think that Bazza will feel a bit lost without Hutton, and a heavier responsibility. If Bazza goes down, I can see Rangers going into meltdown.
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:43:08
James & Aff

Poor old BE makes an erse of HIMSELF!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:43:09
364

Pax and I did expose poor Bemused and he nearly had a nervous breakdown. He wasn't the same for weeks. Since then I have just let him ramble...and tossed him some bait for amusement.

After today's performance by Celtic I have noticed a change in BE. He is no longer saying Rangers will win the title and dismissing the idea that Celtic could win it.

You see he's realised, we are coming for them and they don't have the squad to handle it.

Roll on three in a row.
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 21:43:54
363 - how come you managed to post the H word - I gave up after getting moderated every time I used it.

You're Neo, arent you?
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:44:35
Tim, 368

Aye, true....but let's be gentle and show some compassion Tim, James, and Aff.

Think of it as dealing with someone much less fortunate than yourself.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:46:20
Dom

Samaras is 6 ft 4...he's a big big lad.

Caddis is only 5 ft 6.....he's a good bit smaller.

Ben Hutchinson....is also 6 ft 4...and full of power and pace.

Koki Mizuno is 5ft 8...but stockier than Naka

I met Naka at Glasgow Airport last year and was surprised just how skinny and small he was. Still he hits a nice ball and his defence splitting passes today were a real joy to watch.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:48:35
Yet another Hutton Dive...no free kick awarded. What Hutton got away with in Scotland just doesnt happen when the refs are fair.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 21:49:29
Actually, my view of the title race has never materially changed. I said at the start of the season that it would go to the wire, and I still believe that.

Certain posters who claimed a "double-figure" points margin, or that it would be over by February, are the ones who appear to be out of touch with the reality.
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aficionado de ?,

CLOUD NINE 02/02/2008 21:50:05
JAMES HE,S AWAY to P.C world to confess all
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aficionado de ?,

02/02/2008 21:50:45
guess whos back lol
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:51:46
My fellow Celts

Stephen Pressley
John Kennedy
Mark Wilson
Koki Mizuno
Ben Hutchinson
Barry Robson
Deek Riordan
Paul Hartley
Bobo Balde
Chris Killen

Just a wee reminder of the Celts we DIDNAE see today!

The future's bright - the future's green & white!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:52:05
BE a few weeks ago you were saying it's RFC's title and that they will stay top right to the end of the race...

Now it's going to be a white knuckle ride and down to the wire...etc...

So are you saying Celtic could win it?
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Dominick McGlinchey,

02/02/2008 21:54:08
Lads, lets not turn on the only Rangers man with the cahones to still be on the thread after a hoops performance that made the footballing universe shudder!

Tim - I like stikers who can offer a bit of physicality as well as skill. If you add pace into then your talking serious problem for a defence. As for Naka, he doesnt need pace or height when you have a brain like his.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:54:49
Pax

And Doumbe our cup winner last year and Hinkel - The Good German...
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:54:58
A few more..

Doumbe
Hinkel
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 21:55:14
Before this transfer window, the spending gap between Strachan and Smith was around £10m in Rangers' favour.

Strachan's net spend this window is around £1.5m.

Smith has still spent around £8.5m more than Strachan.
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:55:31
Tim,

great minds think alike...
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 21:55:47
There are no certainties in football, Tim.

Of course Celtic could win it.

Mathematically, I expect that Dundee Utd or Motherwell could win it.

You are confusing fact with belief. The fact is that Celtic could win it. My belief is that Rangers will win it. But as I've said all season, it will be close.
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Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 21:56:09
Pax V

where is that house in Tawny, Fand?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 21:56:22
Gotta say I am delighted that Zwuraski and Jarosik have gone.

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Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 21:58:48
389 Tim

Agree big time but i would love to see the back of VoH and if Sno and Deeks cant get their act together then sayonara too.
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 21:59:21
Bosco 388

Despite the caption, it's not in Tawny (I think they mean Tamney)

Remember them old boys we talked about a few months ago? Tommy & Vincent? (God Bless both of them for they were good to me when I was a wee boy)

It's just up above where they lived.

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Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:00:00
Bosco

Look closely, you'll see the Trialough in the background. Your Mrs will recognise it.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:01:47
387

BE what gives you that belief?

I mean if it goes to the wire, it really is flip of a coin stuff...by definition down to the wire means both teams are really the same...and luck, fate whatever enters the fray.

So what BE, do RFC have that makes you believe they will win it. Where is the edge coming from?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:02:58
Can you believe it the moderation on here does not allow the verb..T.o.s.s as in to tosss a coin....
383

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:05:02
Bosco

Deeks is an enigma. Where does he go from here and where does he fit in if he stays? Where is he in the pecking order?

The guy has talent but lacks a workrate and heart.
384

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 22:10:05
With the arrival of Samaris , and jvoh returning to form , there is not the slightest prospect of Riordan getting into a striking partnership with anyone , barring an injury crisis.

McGeady owns his jersey, and today Naka was beginning to show again the jaw-dropping skill that he can turn on, and barring injury, he is unlikely to dislodge either.
385

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:12:11
Tim, 394

For me the entertaining thing is the new improved Scotsman site allows the hun word.....after thon t1t repeatedly producing a Scotsman article as his bizarre justification for his claim that it was somehow sectarian......though he could never explain his assertion!!!
386

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 22:12:40
Donati's form is the most shaky. If Riordan can show GS that he could doDonati's job better than he can, Deeks would be back in the team.
387

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 22:12:57
When I say down to the wire, Tim, I mean that it will not be decided before the last couple of games, and another last day finish is on the cards. That is my expectation. I believe that when you take every important factor into account, which amounts to more than a mere subjective comparison of "quality", there is not a lot to choose between the teams.

As a vociferous critic of Hutton, you will not be of the opinion that his absence will matter, so Rangers remain as strong as before, and with Webster and Dailly now available to cover for the tiring Weir, and Smith back to give us width on the left, it could be argued that we should actually be a little stronger.

You have consistently adopted the view from the start that there is a wide gulf between the teams, and you would not have expected the current situation of Rangers being 4 points ahead. Nor would you have expected Rangers to put together a run of 10 wins and a draw from their last 11 SPL matches. Your prediction of a Celtic win now relies on things getting better for Celtic and getting worse for Rangers, but there is no guarantee of this, as we both know. Many factors will combine to decide who prevails.
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:14:19
Guys,

Deek can only be there as cover for the more gifted wide players (Naka & Aiden)

But with new jappy chappy here....Deeks will exit in summer after Muz has got settled.
389

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 22:15:10
Tim

Work rate and heart will make up for many a technical deficiency, don’t ya think. Look at wee Scotty McDonald or from the past guys like Keegan. Players such as the 'young' Barry Robson who actually did, must realise the privileged position they are in and try and maximise every ounce of ability in their bones.

Far too many of them just fail to make the necessary sacrifices and its so fecking sad to see.

Pax V

Yep I’ve looked again and yes I recognise the fields and shore. Great place in the summer but by God wouldn’t like to be there right now on a romantic stroll.
390

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

02/02/2008 22:15:29
I think when all our players are fit, it's difficult to see where Hartley fits in...he is a great squad player though...don't know if that will be enough for Hartley though.
I wouldn't be all that surprised if he went in the Summer.
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Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:15:44
BE 399

"it could be argued that we should actually be a little stronger"

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
392

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:17:25
398

Patrick are you having a laugh?

Riordan in the middle of midfield, the engine room. You'd put a player with no physical presence, no workrate and no heart in there ahead of Sno, Hartley, and Robson?

You amaze me at times.
393

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 22:19:02
Sorry Pax.

What exactly is wrong with that statement?
394

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:19:51
Bosco, 401

Aye, true.

I once visited in November (stayed VERY close to that site) and had a great time.....though it was bl00dy cold.

I recall goin in to see Tommy & Vincent when they were at their best...in thon wee thatched house of theirs.

Sittin on a bench....in the dark....a few candles goin....and a big fire....drinkin...well God only knows what I was drinkin...but the craic? Magic.

God Bless them, and may they rest in peace.
395

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:21:49
BE, 405

Naww...you're right, BE....yous are defo stronger withoot Hutton, Cousin, and Ehiog....now that yousa have replaced them with such class.

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!



396

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 22:25:23
Sno has really dissappointed me. Sometimes he reminds me of your under 14 player who just needs to realise to move up a gear in terms of speed of thought and concentration. I believ he has the technical boxes very much ticked but he often looks like his head is in another place.
397

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:28:16
BE

"Our success relies on things getting better for us."

Not really if we continue to win as we have been doing most of the season, we will win the domestic double.

You are not taking into account the three OF games. Rangers won the first and only OF game of the season when even I said beforehand we would lose because:

1. McGeady was on the bench
2. We played one forward up front on his own
3. Naka was struggling with form.
4. We played with no right back
5. The ref was bias (whatever you say he was unfair)
6. Add to this, we were away from home.
7. Our new players hadn't completely bedded in
8. Our captain went off after 38 mins.

If we played RFC at Celtic Park and Rangers

1. Had their best player on the bench.
2. Played with their smallest forward up front alone.
3. Had their second best player/POTY knackered from playing football 24 months solid.
4. Had no right back (or had say Webster playing RB)
5. Had a catholic priest who supported celtic refereeing.
6. Had four new players yet to bed in.
7. And lost their captian a third into the match.

If the factors were reversed BE, what do you think the outcome would have been?




398

Bosco Bhoy,

02/02/2008 22:28:29
Pax V

A good mate of mines live fairly near to Brendans (not sold yet) and he is bit of a tight git. He lives the whole winter next to that shore with just one bar on one of those old fashioned calor gas heaters. After visiting this fella you need to sit your ass on the car heaters for about half hour.
399

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:28:30
RANGERS

Ins:

Steven Davis (Fulham, loan); Neil Alexander (Ipswich Town, undisclosed); Christian Dailly (West Ham, free)

Outs:

Ugo Ehiogu (Sheffield United, free), Alan Hutton, defender (Tottenham Hotspur, £8m), Roy Carroll, goalkeeper (Derby, free) Danny Cousin, Striker (Fulham, £3M)

Yep, much much better now!!!

Big improvement!!!!!
400

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:29:57
Bosco, 410

OMG....I think I'd give yer pal a miss til April!
401

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 22:31:11
Well Pax.

Let's look realistically at the changes.

Carroll out, Alexander in. A slight plus.

Ehiogu out, Dailly in. Again, a very slight plus.

Webster now fully fit. A plus.

Smith now fully fit. A plus.

Hutton gone, to be replaced by Whittaker. A slight minus.

Davis, a £4 million midfielder and captain of NI, in. A plus.

That adds up to a stronger team to me.
402

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:32:23
Tim, 409

Role reversal would ensure a riot, and maybe we would have been wading knee deep in blood.

The McCurry thing has got to be sorted before there's a riot.
403

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:34:22
BE, 413

Danny Cousin?
404

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 22:37:43
Pax.

It's not my belief that the Daniel Cousin deal will be allowed.
405

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:38:07
Oh, and BE 413:

how about Thomson's injury?
406

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:38:18
Pax

If there is a riot or crowd trouble at an OF game because of McCurry, I will blame two organisations. The SFA for employing McCurry and Celtic for not reporting him and presenting the mounbting evidence this season that clearly shows his anti-celtic bias.

It has to stop but Celtic can do something about it and raise concern with the SFA.

There is too much money in the game these days to allow one or two bias individuals cost a club.

If say Celtic never made the CL becuase of McCurry and lost £10 mill, can you imagine any other business allowing one person to financially damage a business to that tune and not have to face the courts.

407

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:38:41
BE, 416

And if it is?
408

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:39:52
Tim, 418

Raise concerns with "agenda against Rangers" Smith?
409

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:41:16
420

Pax, explain?
410

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:42:23
Pax

The SFA is not gordon smith...he is just an employee.

411

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 22:43:22
Re Thomson's injury.

A decent player who will be out for a month, but who can be replaced by either Davis or Hemdani, so not significant.

Re Cousin.

Our front line will be weakened by his absence, but it could even be a blessing in disguise, because it will probably give Boyd a run, and we all know the type of scoring run he is capable of going on at SPL level.

Hope springs eternal, my friend.
412

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:45:06
I reckon RFC will gub Hibs tomorrow. 3-1.

413

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Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:47:26
BE, 423

Would you care to add Cousin and Thomson to your 413 plus\minus list?
415

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:50:37
what happened to Rangers big Jan signings?

Kenny Miller
The DU keeper
Lee Wilkie
Russell Anderson
Marcus Bent
Faddy
Yon big Italian guy
Barry Robson (oh yeah he preferred the hoops didn't he?)

416

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:50:45
BE,

Now, are you aware Steven Whittaker is facing a fitness test tomorrow?

Who plays RB if he fails?
417

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:51:53
Tim, 427

Davie is saving his dirty dosh for his £700M stadium revamp ;-|
418

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:52:44
428

Prob Hundani or Papac...
419

Pax V,

02/02/2008 22:53:54
Tim, 430

LOL!

Aye...that would be much better than Hutton in BE's new & improved Rangers!!!
420

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:55:02
429

yeah another false promise, but no worries pax, according to the "beliefs" of BE, gers are getting stronger - a bit like the loony who is being integrated back into the community because the shrinks tell the authorities "he's improving every day"
421

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:57:09
Pax

What happens if Burke gets injured who plays right midfield?
422

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 22:58:09
right chaps I'm off to ma kip...

tattie bye
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 23:00:33
My expectation re right-back tomorrow would be Dailly, who has played the position a few times for Scotland.

As I've already stated on your other point. I don't expect Cousin to leave, and Thomson may miss as few as 3 matches, so they don't belong on my list.
425

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 23:03:39
Re other above points.

If Burke gets injured, Naismith can play right midfield, and WS has also started with McCulloch on that side a few times.

As for who plays in midfield with Bazza if Hemdani is elsewhere (?) Davis would be my first choice, followed by Adam and Buffel.
426

Timothy Malloy Esq,

02/02/2008 23:05:08
BE

Nice how you just evaded my BIG question in post 409.

Did that one shatter your belief?

nite nite

Pax nite GN & GB

final question...Has Christian Daily ever played in Goal or Up Front?

RFC = Christian Daily FC...mmm now that does have potential to become a religious club.
427

BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 23:08:44
#409 is an irrelevant question, that's why it wasn't answered.

What happened, happened, and has no bearing on the remainder of the season.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 23:32:05
Ref James post at #361 regarding the Hutton fee, which I've just noticed.

The link is http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=503908

I never stated that it was on the Tottenham website. I stated that it was on a link from the Tottenham website, which they use to report news items for their fans.

So sorry, bhoys, but I didn't lie!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

02/02/2008 23:33:48
It's an irrelevance and you know it, Tim.

WS sent out the best team available to him on that day, and so did WGS.

Rangers were the better team, so they won.

That's all that matters.

Next time? Who knows?
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Colin P,

03/02/2008 00:35:06
440 it couldn't possibly be that Celtc would be 2 points clear if A) they played clean, or had no late tackles, or B)they were a better team than you tell us they are?

It's so sad that you feel the need to blame a big boy, who ran away.
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Finnharp,

03/02/2008 01:35:53
Just in case you missed what I heard yesterday:

I hear Spurs & Rangers are under investigation over the Hutton sale, the reason and complaintant Sir Alex "He said I would have considered him if I knew he was available", there is something up with this sale and Enic Group & Joe Louis, which Rangers owes 40 Mil.

 

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