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Published Date: 19 August 2008
THOMAS Gravesen's unsuccessful spell at Celtic has finally come to an end. The Scottish champions have confirmed they have parted company with the Danish midfielder.
The 32-year-old signed from Real Madrid in August 2006 but was unable to establish himself in the first team at Celtic. He returned to former club Everton on loan last season but failed to win a permanent move to Goodison.

Gravesen was given a sur
prise start in a pre-season friendly against Manchester City, but was not involved in the two SPL games against St Mirren and Dundee United.

A statement on the official website, www.celtifc.net, read: "Celtic Football Club, Thomas Gravesen and Thomas' representatives have agreed that he will part company with the club. Thomas wishes Celtic every success and, likewise, the club wishes Thomas all the very best for the future."

Meanwhile, Rangers defender Andy Webster has joined Coca-Cola Championship side Bristol City on loan until January. The defender, 26, has been allowed to leave Ibrox in search of first-team football after suffering a series of injuries since his arrival on loan from Wigan in January 2007.

Webster signed a three-year deal with Rangers earlier this summer and manager Walter Smith believes the short-term move to England will help him get his career back on track.

Motherwell had also confirmed their interest in the player, but he will now spend the next six months south of the border instead.

Smith told the Ibrox website, www.rangers.co.uk: "We have allowed Andy to go on loan to Bristol City until the January transfer window.

"We feel it will be beneficial for him to get first-team football there and we hope he can return to the level we all know he is capable of.

"Andy has had a torrid time since he arrived at Rangers and it will be good for him to get games every week in another environment."





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  • Last Updated: 18 August 2008 9:42 PM
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1

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 00:27:12
I wonder how much Celtic had to pay Gravesen to pack his bags?
2

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 00:59:41
1 - I don't agree. Webster needs first team games and this will be his first real chance for a couple of seasons. With Weir, Bagheera, Edu and Broadfoot (plus Papac) I think we're covered for central defence.

I agree about Gravesen - he was sorely missed by Everton when he went to Madrid. Did absolutely b@gger all for Celtic.
3

Loki,

Valhalla 19/08/2008 01:43:17
Eddie Smith, Charlie Richmond and now Tommy Gravesen. Who is next for a payoff from Celtc? Craig Thomson or Bobo Balde?
4

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 02:05:59
It should be a worry to rearrangerz fans that between Balde and Gravesen around £65K per week of our available wage structure has been dormant, yet we've still been winning the title and reaching the last 16.

The £2.5m windfall arising from Rearrangerz catastrophic exit from Europe at the hands of minnows Kaunas will MORE than cover Gravesen's severance package.

During the two seasons Gravesen spent at the club, Celtic turned in profits totalling £20m , reducing the club's overall debt to a paltry £3.5m.

Gravesen's period at Celtic was costly, but it came during a time when Celtic have been financially strong with one of the most successful business models in the world.

It's not good for morale when someone like Gravesen is hanging around the dressing room earning double and treble just about everyone else, and for that reason, I'm glad he's gone.

Noone knows what percentage of his wages Everton paid last season.
5

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 02:15:20
9 - Do you mean Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits fame?

Why would he know?

Helter Skelter, he's comin' down fast, yes he is.....
6

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 02:16:55
9 - 65k per week of salaries has been 'dormant', has it.

Is that just a nice way of saying 'p1ssed away by a couple of wasters'?

Helter Skelter it's a belter.
7

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 02:17:27
11 - Faddy?
8

Canadian Jambo,

19/08/2008 02:19:12
Interesting case -this guy Webster. Does anyone remember his excellent contribution to the Burley Hearts team before Romanov went sour on him, and indeed anyone else who played under Burley. He's not the first player that Romanov has tried to hurt nor will he be the last.
I wish him well.
9

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 02:20:39
Morning All

Pundit .."i prefer to concentrate on my own team"...Is that the reason why, on just about EVERY thread on this website you are "concentrating" on your team?

As for Graveson..glad to see the back of him.Every team has its fair share of clunkers and this boaby was a beezer..still,you live and learn..
10

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 02:24:27
Ah,a subtle difference then...lol
11

Harlem Tam,

19/08/2008 02:51:11
You'd think reading these posts that Celtic were the only club in the world to spend big on a failure.

Firstly, when Celtic bought Gravesen, it was hailed as a shrewd signing because of his pedigree and reputation. That he proceeded to bomb is hardly the fault of Celtic or Strachan.

Secondly, Rangers must have squandered more money (fee and wages) on duds than any other club in Britain over the past 10 years.
12

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

19/08/2008 02:53:37
#14 It was Burley who left Webster out of the pre-season tour to Ireland because he'd been tapped up by Rangers and was unsettled. Romanov offered Webster a massive contract, as with Hartley and Gordon, and made it clear he would not be sold for peanuts to the club that turned out to be our nearest rival that season - good decision I'd say. Webster deserves everything he gets for shafting both the club that made him into an international and his first club Arbroath by ensuring they got virtually zero compensation for losing the best young centre-half in the country at the time. How ironic it's another Hearts player that now has that title. If Webster had signed on, as with Gordon and Pressley (and Skacel) he would have got a great salary for a while, a cup winners medal and a lucrative move on terms that suited him and Hearts, not just him.
13

Harlem Tam,

New York City 19/08/2008 02:55:03
Isn't it interesting that the Scottish media, including The Scotsman, is gleefully reporting that James McFadden "would not entertain a move to Glasgow because of the negative publicity attached to the Old Firm" as if this was an attack on the two Glasgow clubs? Anyone with half a brain cell would realise he was actually attacking the Scottish media for the way they cover the Old Firm.
14

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 03:04:26
Tam..Who could resist a move to the Hoops or Rangers?

Who could resist being stitched up like a kipper for being in the "Vicinity" of a barroom punch up (ie,100metres) and having it plastered over the front pages of the daily rancid et al as "Old Firm player in late night brawl" etc?

Who could resist the charms of Glasgow to remain in that cultural panacea that is Birmingham?

There is one downside for Faddy,should he stay in the Brummie bin...Nae pictures o his burd/wifie dressed up like a ten bob hoor in the fashion pages o the Sunday Mail...Nice wan,Jamsie!
15

celticdaft,

19/08/2008 03:21:38
#20

"Webster deserves everything he gets for shafting both the club that made him into an international and his first club Arbroath by ensuring they got virtually zero compensation for losing the best young centre-half in the country at the time. "

You must be the most loyal employee in the world. I would hire you. After all you would compensate all your previous jobs every time you moved on. Webster or anybody else owe nothing to any club they play for . Its a job. They train, they work hard and if they are good enough then they get a start and if they do well eventually a call up. They make THEMSELVES an international not the club. Contribution and reward. Simple. They earn it. And when someone else with better dough, conditions, prospects or whatever ( even a gamble) come along then they make the choice for themselves and /or their families.
If you don't like the basic nature of employment and progress in the modern world then Bu**** off to 1920s russia. Like you wouldn't jump if another employer offered to double your wages. Aye right !!
16

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 19/08/2008 06:50:01
Well I've read the article but I'm still confused.
The headline says "...and Stoke get Webster on loan"....fair enough.
But then in the last paragraph..
Smith told the Ibrox website, www.rangers.co.uk: "We have allowed Andy to go on loan to Bristol City until the January transfer window.
What the foock??
Also, as far as I'm aware Edu is not a centre back.
Good bit of business wherever Webster goes. So far he's not looked the part so 6 months in the premiership will find him out either way.
See the shambos are still bleating on about him.
Get over it. The guy didn't want to play for your 2 bob club. Simple as that.
And no wonder.
17

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 19/08/2008 06:58:21
I can't believe this paper. There's another thread titled "Rangers defender Andy Webster joins Bristol City on loan".
Which one is it?
Think I'll check the Rangers website.
Get the finger out Scotsman!!!
18

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 19/08/2008 07:05:08
Gravesson - waste of time, money and effort by Celtic. Every club is guilty of such errors of judgement at some stage.

Webster - Farmed out to gain match fitness. Hopefully no more injury worries and back to Ibrox a fitter and better player in teh New Year when Rangers will be driving towards winning the league.

#2 - If you are referring to me when you say "F*cked up", in relation to my comments in the thread about Scott Cuthbert going to ICT on loan, when I mentioned Webster going to Motherwell I was merely stating what was reported/speculated that day in the press .
Unlike you I don't profess to having an Encyclopedic knowledge of all things football.
19

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 07:14:59
27 Angoos - I think he's referring to the fact that reporter Angus Wright's headline states Webster is on his way to Stoke, when he is in fact on the way to Bristol.

Calm down, now...
20

Scotland Uber Unionists,

19/08/2008 08:20:32
All aboard,the GRAVy train is finally leaving town, just a bit pash stained after it's time in the east end.
21

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 19/08/2008 08:32:11
We'll probably never know why Gravesen decided to leave the pressures of Real to go to celtic.
Nice fat fee, big fat wages and I don't think I'll bother playing very well.
Then maybe they'll leave me alone to go shopping.
No, we may never know why.
All we can do is say a big THANK-YOU Tommy, you stuck it right up them!!
While I'm at it, nice one Bobo! Not only did you cost the dims the Uefa cup and countless other games, you're STILL bleeding them dry!
There's only one Bobo Balde!!
22

Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 08:59:07
#21 - it was McFadden himself that said he would not go to the OF on an interview on TV
23

Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 09:00:16
#2 Proof readers nightmare I'd say.
24

Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 09:01:47
#27 take a chill pill and relax mate
25

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 09:21:56
30 - If you have nothing else to celebrate in the coming twelve months (and you probably will have nothing else to celebrate in the coming twelve months) at least you will have that. When the Dims are lifting their 4th SPL title in a row you can sit back and feel contented about that.

26

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 09:23:26
32 - No proof reading by journos these days mate - they rely waaaaay too heavily on spell checker.
27

Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 09:27:35
#35 well it has been a while since I worked in the written press, is that true that they no longer have proof readers in Newspapers, cant believe that somehow, although this story would appear to back you up wholeheartedly.
28

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 09:36:26
graveson we need to take on the chin...very disappointed and apart from his 2 goals against rangers and i think a hat trick against st mirren he will quickly disappear from memory..at least he has gone
regarding dundee utds "penalty" i agree with strachan re the foul on mcmanus..but also as butcher suggested the player dived and made the contact..which there certainly was..look more dramatic...but hey ho we were slaughtered by the media for getting a soft corner against motherwell last season so i guess we can expect a bit of stick..because my god the cronies of murray must push for a rangers title win xxx
29

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 09:39:53
#30..and with graveson and balde bleeding us dry we still have won 3 in a row...fair chance those wages will bring in more successful players..or we could just wipe out our 3 million debt...xxx
30

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 09:52:33
#39..and youve watched rangers games this season !!!
scott mcdonald looks like hes carrying a bit of beef..however he does have goals in him...will kenny ever even be a one season wonder ???
31

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 10:00:38
Ah, Scotty McDonald, the one season wonder. He's been a one season wonder for the last three seasons.

Its harldy surprising that the Murray media machine is in full flow. Celtic - the team who got a dodgy corner last season - are now openly criticised in most sections of the press and even on the BBc website (althought its Chick Dung, so no surprises there) when none of them dared mention the Mike McCurry season long fiasco last year until Craig levein came out and said what everyone else was thinking. Even at that, the onus was more on Levein than McCurry.

Still, desperate times call for desperate measures!
32

wayne bijlyeerheid,

middle of ffing nowhere. 19/08/2008 10:00:58
#23
>There is one downside for Faddy,should he stay in the Brummie bin...Nae pictures o his burd/wifie dressed up like a ten bob hoor in the fashion pages o the Sunday Mail...Nice wan,Jamsie!<
Swordsman, I think that would be an "upside".
That's a decent thing about Birmingham, the local press don't appear interested in manufacturing celeb nonsense about their city's teams.
Neither do they employ hypocritical "writers" whose sole vocation in life seems to be to provoke hatred and enmity between their teams' supporters in the name of selling newspapers, and then pen stories decrying "bitterness".
33

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 10:03:53
42 - Wayne,

Neither do they employ hypocritical "writers" whose sole vocation in life seems to be to provoke hatred and enmity between their teams' supporters in the name of selling newspapers, and then pen stories decrying "bitterness".

Spot-on, mate!
34

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 10:04:08
#40 sonofcosmos

Difference is that Kenny is a squad player, no-one is expecting a lot of goals from him. Celtc however are heavily reliant on McDonald's goals. When you dont get them from him you struggle to find another source of regular goals. The first two games have been a perfect example. A dodgy penalty and a deflected 1st league goal for Hartley.

We havnt been great so far but have several strikers who can and will score goals. Even last season we had Boyd, Novo,Cousin,and Darchville all scoring reasonably regularly and already this season 3 of our strikers are off the mark.

The performances so far cant really be used as to how we will be this season as we have added a full new midfield .
35

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 10:04:57
#42 fair point the scottish media monkeys are bilious parasites who negativity and wind up is their natural position...#41 very true..
36

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 10:09:16
#41 MF

Hear we go already. Did you not read exactly the same kinds of reports last season after our decisions against DU?
We were starting to get heavily critised in the press after Cuellar and only our splurge in the transfer market abated that a bit.

PS A dodgy corner!!?? Yeah mate thats the only questionable decision you lot got last year.

Sometimes i wonder if you lot are for real or just at the wind up. It beggars belief after the help you have had ALREADY this season from refs.
37

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 10:10:06
#44 i agree with you a bit.. our central midfielders are played too deep and hartely and brown who scored goals regularly with their last clubs are hardly even in positions to score at celtic..although after a very poor season brown already looks a bit more of an influence..
on the other side our 2 strikers scored over 50 goals and samaras will get his fair share...but isnt miller a joke when as you say as a striker you dont expect him to score many goals d'oh xxx
38

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 10:10:07
36 - JJ - they still 'officially' proof read, but the money in journalism is so p-ss poor and the required qualifications so useless (media studies, anyone?) that the level of effort put into checking type is negligible
39

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 10:11:00
#42 wayne

"Neither do they employ hypocritical "writers" whose sole vocation in life seems to be to provoke hatred and enmity between their teams' supporters in the name of selling newspapers, and then pen stories decrying "bitterness"

Good point mate
40

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 10:12:48
#47 cosmos

"on the other side our 2 strikers scored over 50 goals"

Better hope McDonald lays off the McDonalds soon then mate because without his goals you might be in trouble.
41

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 10:18:43
#46 the "dodgy" corner was not the only decision to go our way lasat season..however never has so much been written about a corner..especially in a game where motherwell got an equally "soft" decision..but as mentioned the media forces of darkness will be moving into overdrive this season...good example being chick youngs disgraceful article on the bbc website....
42

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 10:20:46
#50 ..and you would be right ..the good thing about football is we will find out as the season unfolds...
and my god we are talking about football..maybe the scotsman will let us on all the threads again xxx
43

Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 10:38:07
#48 which is so obvious in the headline of this report.
Surely the journo and particularly the Editor must be so embarrassed by this it would be changed ASAP but obviously not the case.
44

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 11:03:32
Celtic bought a rolls royce with 80,000 miles on the clock and an excellent service history.

There was no 'error of judgement' on Celtic's part as many of the laptop lackies have been reporting over the last 24 hours.

The herald's article today hints at a psychological problem, and even Gravesen's closest friend in the Danish media had thought that he would produce the best football of his career at Celtic...this was a sporting journalist that had tracked Gravesen's career from his Everton days, and who Gravesen himself describes as his 'personal correspondent'.

At the time of his transfer to Celtic, he was still regarded the no.1 footballing hero of the nation back in Denmark, in much the same way as Henrik was regarded in Sweden.

That his career would come to a shuddering halt at Celtic wasn't on the radar of anyone close to him.
The feeling was that he would thrive at Celtic and become a legend.

The Dainsh reporter states that after he started at Celtic, his behaviour quite suddenlt became odd, and he describes how Gravesen begaN to isolate himself from people involved in Danish football...people with whom he had previously been close to, including his 'personal correspondent'.

So, we were just very unlucky with Gravesen, and it is nonsense to speak of an error of judgement on Celtic's part when we did not foresee something which even his most trusted inner sanctum had no inkling of.
45

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 11:05:04
the herald article is pretty interesting..the scotsman will anonomously cut and paste it as an article tomorrow..xxx
46

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 11:06:10
There is a bit of a 'John and Yoko' scenario hinted at vis a vis his involvement with a porn star.
47

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 19/08/2008 11:12:38
Here's hoping Webster sustains a career-threatening injury - little parasite!

Then Rangers and Wigan fold on the same day - If only Carlsburg did Tuesdays
48

Fayneant,

NZ 19/08/2008 11:13:14
54 - Which begs the question, just what was it about Parkhead that turned a perfectly sane, talented footballer into a dribbling lunatic?

Helter Skelter made to swelter....
49

Rosscobhoy,

19/08/2008 11:41:19
Shame it turned out the way it did for Tommy G, got off to a great start with the goal against them and looked like things were going to go the way we expected. Maybe he lost his appetite for the game after leaving Real? Heard rumours of other personal problems too. Whatever happened, we didn't get the best of a player who really should have shone for us. Sh*t happens i guess!
50

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 19/08/2008 11:43:59
#28 I've been away and calmed down now.
Makes me laugh when he is critical of sport journalists and real "pundits" when his warblings on these forums are akin to that of a schoolboy.
Realised now the best way to deal with him is to ignore him.
51

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 19/08/2008 11:46:16
just finished reading the rangers hearts article..it is funny that potentially dubious decisions are "explained" in that article..a bit like dundee utds poor record being mentioned every few minutes at the weekend...how long has it been since hearts won at ibrox ????
"Even if the Lithuanian may have been considered a little unfortunate to have been cautioned for 'diving' just a minute after he took the field.." which led to him being sent off for anoter deserved yellow..will we have this "mistake" mentioned all week..will wee chick young write about it in his rangers news blog..oops sorry bbc blog...naw...xxx
52

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 11:48:00
Jealousy......so can you tell me how many goals your strikers scored last season?

They weren't scoring THAT regularly if my memory serves me correctly!
53

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 11:50:29
As for Graveson...Who knows what goes on in the mind of a footballer?Here we have a man at the top of his game,loved and lauded by his countrymen,admired by his fellow professionals,earning sums of cash that would make most lottery winners blush and yet it wasnt enough!Surely some underlying problem remains hidden (and should remain so,IMO)sadly for Strachan and the Hoops we werent to know the fragile state of the player and we suffered the consequences...Still, even though it turned out to be a bum deal,the championship was once again delivered to CP...so,apart from a hole in the balance books,no real harm done.
#57...Shame on you for wishing harm to a footballer ..disgusting !
54

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 11:55:28
Already the hacks have put 2 + 2 together and made a connection between this week, last week and er...the St Mirren game of last season. Just cant work out why the Nakamura free kick got so many column inches when this little peice of controversy that happened around the same time was swept under the carpet.

http://media.putfile.com/Rangers-Boyd-v-Falkirk-Feb-9-2008
55

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 11:57:00
Edinburgh has no big teams. Get used to the idea. It will part of your transition into reality!
56

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 12:54:33
#62 MF

Without checking exact figures,

Boyd - 20-25
Novo - 16
Cousin 12-15
Darchville 15-17

These may be a goal or two out but my point was that Celtc were far more reliable on one or two players goals.
57

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 13:03:03
66

And Boyd was far more dependant on scoring against one or two teams.
58

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19/08/2008 13:12:11
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59

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 13:19:23
#67 Helter

Fair enough.

It still stands though, Rangers IMO would be able to comfortably absorb a bad injury or loss or form to any of thier strikers. I dont think at the moment Celtc are in the same position. Time will tell.
60

Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 13:22:09
Or, to be more accurate..Celtic relied on goals from midfield as well as up front.
61

Salvatori,

19/08/2008 13:36:35
Stoke or Bristol City? Which one is it? ;) Shoddy stuff
62

Jealousy,jealousy,

19/08/2008 13:44:34
#70 mf

Didnt think any of your midfield scored many last year did they?
63

Daillyman,

19/08/2008 13:54:33
54 Helter/Patrick,

If I bought a used Rolls Royce with 80k on it I would expect to get more than 22 miles (sorry 22 matches) on the road driving it.

All kidding aside I think most people thought he would do well in the SPL. Costly mistake but that happens sometimes in football.
64

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 14:07:46
Dman..My Roller has a few miles on the clock and it didnt cost that much...And the lawn looks as flat as a billiard table...
65

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 14:44:45
73

Brian,

That's my poiny, it wasan't a 'mistake'.

'Mistake' implies error and I don't see that there was any...three year contract wasn't excessive, though a 4 might have been IMO.

Two would have been on the short side , so I think , in terms of length of contract, we got it just about right.

As regards the wages, it was a good bit less than he'd been getting at Real Madrid , and not excessive for a player with his background.

Finally, the transfer fee was 'normal' for Celtic : far from the highest we've paid for a player since MON arrived at Celtic....I think Sutton cost £6, almost three times what we paid for Gravesen.

So in the three essentials of the deal - the transfer fee, the length of the contract and the wages - I can't see anything that wasn't reasonable BASED ON the information thatwas available at the time when he signed.

Tommy Gemmel is in the papers today calling for someone's head to roll over the Gravesen contract, but it appears that noone could have foreseen that the player was on the verge of what we might vaguely refer to as a nervous breakdown from which it seems he cannot recover, at least not as much as to rediscover his ability as a player.

We took Gravesen on just at the point of burn out ...as is often the case, symptoms tend to lag behind infection.
66

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 15:00:36
As I recall, Gravesen took a substantial drop in wages to come to Celtic , a team which he said his father held in great affection.

Possibly, with 20:20 hindsight, you might say that it was a bit odd for a Real Madrid player to take a drop in wages to come and play in Glasgow.

As against that, you shouldn'tlook a gift horse in the mouth, but I imagine and expect that if Celtic are presented with such a signing opportunity again, a more cautious approach will be adopted.
67

Daillyman,

19/08/2008 15:02:07
75 Helter

Must give you credit on the spin you have put on the Graveson time at Parkhead.

For the return on investment the tic got I would say he turned out to be a poor signing, and a costly mistake the board is glad to get off the books.

As for poor signings we have made a few of those over the years, every club has done it.

I could just imagine these threads if he was a player at Ibrox.
68

Florestan,

Geneva 19/08/2008 15:22:02
Has anyone else heard this rumour that the Daily Record are about to sack one of their leading Executive Director figures because he leaked the "exclusive" about Cuellar going to Villa to, wait for it, his pals at the Follow Follow fanzine/website? Apparently this had happened a few times before and the Record journos couldn't understand how Murray's exclusives were cropping up in the Times etc. However, 15 minutes after Murray had gven them the Cuellar store, the FF messageboards were full of it. They found the source and he is a Mr Big, allegedly. The journos are furious and want him sacked but the ed, a big friend of Murray, is vacillating.

Bur the most chilling thing about this is that a top Record Exec is pals with the FF crowd, ie; the most vicious, bigoted, anti-Catholic Rangers fans of all. It says a lot about the culture at the Record...
69

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 15:45:21
78

I haven't heard of this rumour though it surprises me not one jot.

As is often the case, the establishment will judge it better not to sack him as to do so would bring exposure their network.
They prefer an appearance of normality and many a blind eye has been turned to such misadventures in order to preseve the status quo.

My guess is that if it is true, we'll hear no more about it.
70

Florestan,

Geneva 19/08/2008 15:55:40
The person who told me this is someone involved in the media in Scotland. Apparently all the sports journalists know about it, but are scared of running the story as they might have to work for the RECORD some time in the future. Pathetic. What about you journos at the Scotsman? Surely you are above all this? You don't need to kowtow to Murray et al? Or do you? Why don't you lot break the story? Or are you just cowards too?
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Montgomery Flange,

Soho 19/08/2008 16:20:30
Florestan, you havent read much of the Scotsman have you?

The poodles of print here at the Hootsmon have their heads wedged firmly in Murray's Winalot Trough.

Their little piggy tails wiggling the whole time.
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Florestan,

geneva 19/08/2008 16:25:34
Montgomery Flange;well I understand that Tom English of SOS wants to have Murray's babies, but surely things are different at their sister paper?
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paulmac,

surrey 19/08/2008 16:42:50
78

When you say "the ed" do you mean the sports Editor?
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Florestan,

geneva 19/08/2008 16:47:55
84

No, this is MUCH bigger than the sports desk. I mean the editor of the paper. The guy who leaked is not sports desk either.....
75

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 16:50:20
Man, this is like "All the President's Men"...Can I suggest Chick Young as "Deep Thoat"?
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paulmac,

surrey 19/08/2008 16:54:28
86

What....with those teeth?
77

Swordsman,

Dublin 19/08/2008 16:58:54
Sorry..Typo..No "Deep thoat" ever coalesced in Chuckies head...Meant "Deep Throat" as he has knee pads sewn into his Garish wardrobe from Ralphie Slaters..Allegedley!
78

Florestan,

glasgow 19/08/2008 17:04:48
87

OK, leaks at the Daily Ranger are hardly important, but top Scottish media executives hobnobbing with out-and-out bigots such as the FF crowd, whose website was closed down a few years ago because of its rank sectarianism, is outrageous. Just how ingrained and institutional is anti-Catholicism in Scotland? In English terms,this would be like the editor of the Daily Mirror being caught at a BNP rally.....
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Daillyman,

19/08/2008 17:44:37
87 paul

Speak to bto he is the expert on, teeth in teeth out.
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paulmac,

surrey 19/08/2008 17:47:50
89

Rise above it!.....See it for what it is!
81

Helter Skelter,

19/08/2008 17:53:57
89

We don't need these kind of revelations to know that the daily rearranger seeks to undermine Celtic whilst at the same time promoting Rearrangers.

Remember Bratislava and the cracked crest...and that wasn't the first time.

In fact, the night after Celtic were eliminated, the sports editor appeared on Reporting Scotland , telling the nation that Celtic would never recover from it, going over finacial stats chapter and verse.

The Daily Rearranger is heavily infested by those who are not simply pro-rearranggerz, but also bitterly anti-Celtic (Catholic).

This revelation if true will not change things one iota, but will simply give them a short term PR problem as regards how to deal with it.
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Daillyman,

19/08/2008 18:03:40
89 92

Not up on the inner workings of Scotlands newspapers I give way to you're more informed information. All I would say if there is in you're opinion is an agenda against CFC by certain factions of the media leave it at a football level. There are sure fire ways to get the OF threads closed again and that is the posting of personal beliefs.
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Florestan,

glasgow 19/08/2008 19:13:20
93

Whit???????
84

Colossus Mark 2,

19/08/2008 19:58:56
Helter

Must admit I'm with Dailly on the debate re Graveson.

I think it was an almighty F*** Up.

I disagree with Big Tam though - The Manager buys players. Some work. Some dont. This one didnt. WGS is still going for 4IAR.
85

Colossus Mark 2,

19/08/2008 20:00:36
Guys,

You all aware of problemos with the Davis deal?

Quote Daily Mail:

Steve Davis' proposed £3million move to Rangers is in danger of falling through, following a snag over personal terms.


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Florestan,

glasgow 19/08/2008 21:36:40
The Exec's name is Caldwell, apparently....
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BEMUSED EXILE,

19/08/2008 22:15:40
#96

My understanding is that Davis, via his representatives, has fully agreed personal terms with RFC, and that RFC have agreed terms with Fulham.

The hold-up appears to be due to Davis trying to negotiate a pay-off from Fulham, based on the fact that he didn't request a transfer.

#98 Tasteful. Webster is off to Bristol city for 5 months in order to have a sustained run of first-team football, but he'll be back to rub your nose in it just a little further. RFC are in the market for a central defender due to Cuellar's sale, but both Weir and Dailly will leave at the end of this season, so Webster will become an important squad member again.

Anybody who cleverly engineeers an exit from the ridiculous and vainglorious Romanov regime deserves our respect and applause, IMO.
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Edinburghs only big team,

19/08/2008 22:55:11
Goodbye Kevin Webster.

You will always be remembered.
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Colossus Mark 2,

19/08/2008 23:11:32
99

Aye, that'll be an interesting negotiation!

Yer getting nothing, son - now do you want to go and play for Rangurs or not?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

19/08/2008 23:27:49
PS

Interesting angle on the Cuellar deal...

SDM has revealed that it's 5 million euros (£3.9 million) now, and another 5 million euros next summer.

but 5 million euros next summer might have a completely different value to 5 million euros today.

so, by that reckoning, the total fee could be below £7 million at one extreme, or maybe as much as £9 million at the other.

Unless of course, both clubs have agreed to accept today's exchage rate for the whole deal.

 

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