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Mercenary transfer system should put Old Firm deals into perspective



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Published Date: 08 July 2008
AT A time of year when the majority of workers are flushed with the holiday spirit, football managers are engaged in the least appealing aspect of their job, the business of operating as both buyer and seller in the transfer market. It is an obligation that is especially gruelling for those in charge of clubs with aspirations to high achievement at home and abroad.
And the system, complicated by the rampant commercialisation of the game and the ever-growing influence of agents over the past two decades, has become so polluted that it moved the Arsenal manager, Arsene Wenger, to bitter condemnation at the weekend.

The great Frenchman's criticism was prompted primarily by the conviction that the free-for-all has turned players into mercenaries. He talks from first-hand experience, facing the prospect of losing Emmanuel Adebayor and Aleksandr Hleb to Barcelona, with both men claiming they will earn more in Catalunya than in north London.

"If I had the power to change anything in football, it would be the transfer system, which makes mercenaries of players," said Wenger. "If they are bad ones, they stay. If they are good, they think only of leaving".

To some observers, this may sound a bit rich, coming from a man who has proved himself peerless in the art of unloading jaded superstars – Emmanuel Petit, Marc Overmars, Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry are prime examples – at prices far above their true value and acquiring young talents who can be sold later for colossal profits (q.v. Anelka, Nicolas).

But Wenger's record serves merely to ratify his distress and highlight the grotesqueness of a situation in which even clubs such as Arsenal and Manchester United – the latter striving to keep hold of Cristiano Ronaldo – can be both predator and prey.

The experiences of Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford this summer should help bring some perspective to the operations of Scottish clubs, most specifically the two strongest and wealthiest, Celtic and Rangers. While it is reported that Ferguson will have to fight off an offer of upwards of £70million from Real Madrid for Ronaldo (plus after-tax wages of £150,000 a week to the player) and Wenger is likely to receive a bid of £30million for Adebayor, Gordon Strachan and/or Walter Smith are accused of signing an expensive flop if a player such as Massimo Donati, at a cost of £1.3million, fails to impress.

Even the most extravagant fee, of course, is no guarantee of value for money. It was widely acknowledged that, when Ferguson paid Lazio £28million for Juan Sebastian Veron in 2001, he had bought the world's most accomplished midfielder. When, after three largely undistinguished seasons at Old Trafford, the Argentine joined Chelsea for half the amount United had paid, Ferguson – not surprisingly, given the nature of fans and certain sections of the media was accused of gross incompetence.

Veron would be among the most extravagant examples of a tall reputation disappearing under the burden of expectation, but the history of the game is littered with others, certainly enough to have tempered the tendency of supporters to rush to pre-judgment of the capabilities of recruits – either approvingly or dismissively – before they have even been brought to trial.

There has also been sufficient chronicling in recent years of the economic weakness of Celtic and Rangers in relation to the most populous and richest European countries. The Parkhead club may have returned momentous financial figures in terms of turnover and profit over the past few seasons, but they are impressive only in a Scottish context and nothing like weighty enough to allow Strachan (this applies also to Smith at Ibrox) to choose his prospective signings from anything other than the middle-to-lower tiers of available merchandise.

In an interview in The Scotsman at the start of last season, Strachan concisely articulated his challenge. "If great players have, say, five assets, we are working largely with twos and threes. As coaches, what we have to do is try improve the threes into fours and the twos into threes".

Neither the history of expensive failures nor the evidence of the Old Firm's financial limitations, however, seems to have impacted on those supporters who continue to clamour for "big-name", expensive signings. Indeed, they appear, disappointingly, to remain in the majority.

In a newspaper 'hotline' yesterday, a Celtic fan, clearly agitated by the apparent inactivity of Strachan in the market, said that, despite reports of numerous names on the manager's list, nothing seems to be getting done.

"I hope," he added, "we're not spending our time haggling behind the scenes over cash instead of getting moves completed."

This kind of naivety seems misplaced in the present day. Of course Strachan and Peter Lawwell, like managers and chief executives everywhere, will be haggling over cash. They would be failing in their remit if they were not.

The complexities of the modern market, often involving numerous interested parties (among whom the player himself frequently has the least influential voice), can make the formerly straightforward business of buying a player difficult and protracted. But it is underpinned by one universal truth: disappointment is in-built and no club, no matter how resourceful, ever gets everybody they want.

The full article contains 885 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 July 2008 10:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rangers FC , Celtic FC
 
1

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 00:08:46
30mil for one season wonder Adebayor, Arsenal take the money and fly the numpty out on a private jet paid for by yourselves.

They have probably got a decent reserve who could score the goals he did.
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08/07/2008 00:09:49
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Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 01:10:36
Donati was signed for 1.25m
4

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:14:23
I believe that most of the Celtic squad are staying...

Which did Wenger say that made them..was it good players or was it bad ones..

Have to read the article again.
5

melbourne bhoy,

Melbourne 08/07/2008 01:20:31
I believe it made them cahmpoins bring them on
6

melbourne bhoy,

Melbourne 08/07/2008 01:20:58
or even champions
7

Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 01:26:54
OOOOOOOOOOOOHH

It was in the paper so it must be true.

Anyway, you muppets are always going on about us being skint and here you are, trying to talk UP our transfer fees.

Grow up you braindead moron.
8

Gianni,

08/07/2008 01:28:37
"Celtic have bagged Massimo Donati in a £3m deal struck with AC Milan this week." - Andrew Smith, Scotsman, 1 July 2007.

"MASSIMO DONATI has dropped a bombshell on Celtic by sending a come-and-get-me plea to Italian clubs....The midfielder arrived in a £3million deal from AC Milan last summer but now claims he misses the style of football in Serie A." - Daily Record, 24 February 2008.

9

Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 01:33:04
#10 - and your point is?

Another neanderthal.
10

Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 01:34:55
What has his fee got to do with anything anyway? Only braindead Gers idiots would grab this story and turn it into an anti-Celtic tirade. Donati signed for 1.25m but again, what does it matter.

Gers morons.
11

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:40:21
Rasky

You either have to chill out or get more sleep.

9 brian dead moron

11 another neanderthal

12 Gers morons.

Why can't we all just get along? lol
12

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:43:23
Rask,

And Scotlands pundit is rarely wrong!

EURO 2008 winner and runner up prediction was on the mark.

Right,, OF.
13

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:45:49
15 OF

The pressure I am under, I typed my own name.

Cheers, OF. LOL

See what happens when you support the Gers for 40 years
14

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:47:16
Rasky

Excuse the spelling in post 14

should "brain dead moron"

Much like me tonight.
15

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:49:03
OF

Tell me again, when is it that Rangers play Liverpool.

Two world class teams eager to play each other.

And which friendlies do Celtic have lined up?
16

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:49:35
bto

August 2nd I believe
17

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:51:32
Dailly

Celtic must have some high profile games lined up?
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 01:52:42
Morning lads..two bald men fighting over a comb again,I see..the perfect antidote to insomnia...see how long I last!
19

Gianni,

08/07/2008 01:53:45
"Massimo Donati was removed at half-time during the 1-0 defeat at the Nou Camp on Tuesday, as much in anger as frustration by Strachan.....Donati has not improved Celtic in ways that could justify his £3million transfer fee." - Graham Spiers, Times, 6 March 2008.
20

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:55:40
Swordsman

As you join, we were just about to enter into the intellectual phase of the thread.

After coffee, of course.
21

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 01:56:31
Gianni...do you do odd jobs at the local school wi that name?In addition to trawling the net for paper talk on a players "Worth",of course...
22

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:57:04
Good evening Swordsman,

Can't wait for the season to start, tired of all the rehashing of the last 40 years on these threads over this close season.

It makes you feel older. lol
23

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 01:57:08
Coffee???? Large cold Heino in front of me,mate!!
24

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 01:58:29
Morning Dman...Echo your thoughts on the silly season/phoney war..Cant wait to get it started again so we can really bitch about the footie!
25

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:58:30
Molson Canadian Lager on my end.
26

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 01:59:27
29

"B!tch about the footie"

That would be a first!
27

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 01:59:53
Isnt the 'pool game in the middle of that tiresome CL qualifying round type thingy?
28

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 02:01:06
Dman,"Molson Canadian Lager on my end." An impressive party trick I'm sure but too much info,I fear...
29

bring them on,

08/07/2008 02:01:22
Swordsman

As you have what should be an interesting game against Man City ahead, we will have some football to talk about again soon.

Watched a dozen or so of their games last season.

Either good or rubbish.

Too much running aboot with no objective in mind.

Should be a decent game to watch as a neutral.
30

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 02:02:16
Yes its in between our 2 other friendlies in the CL qualifiers. lol

Am I correct OF.
31

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 02:03:33
BTO Yup..Started the season with a bang then,as ever fizzled out,but a few good players to watch..
32

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 02:05:03
33

Made you're night and mine, ooooohhhhaaaa

bto 34

I thought at the start of last season Man City were playing some decent football, then they just seemed to fade away.
33

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 02:06:09
Are the tic not going to London for a friendly, maybe QPR?
34

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 02:08:37
Dman...Tourney involving Spurs,I believe...On Murdochsportvision too!
35

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 02:08:50
Be back shortly
36

Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 02:09:19
Yes, you are right. I apologise for losing the rag. Silly me.

Celtic are playing Southampton and Fulham away friendlies. Then Middlesbrough, Cardiff City and Porto in the Algarve Cup. Followed by Spurs and Feyenoord in the Feyenoord Jubilee Tournament. Finally, a home friendly v Man City.
37

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 02:09:37
Is that the tournament in Holland?
38

bring them on,

08/07/2008 02:10:17
#40

If their supporters go to London for a day oot, I don't think they will be allowed to refer to it as a friendly.

Trade Descriptions Act, and all that.
39

bring them on,

08/07/2008 02:11:53
#45

A decent wee fixture list there.

Live football coming up soon.....
40

bring them on,

08/07/2008 02:17:27
#47

Aye, but what exchange rate did you use to convert to Sterling.

Maybe that's the difference.........

No?
41

Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 02:22:37
Anyway, will The Boke, Dubalamanzi and Mabozza materialise for the start of hostilities? They disappeared without trace on Thursday 22nd May. I wonder why?
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Raskolnikov,

08/07/2008 02:26:39
Celtic never reveal their transfer fees to the press. Donati's fee appeared in Celtic's audited accounts as 1.25m, but that was long after the press made up a fee, as they did in the case of Nakamura.
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charlie nicholas(THE PUNDIT),

sky towers 08/07/2008 03:05:58
donati wos signed for nearer 1.5 million. pundit bhoy i will gladly go on holiday where u get 2 euro for a pound? 6 m euro in calculations is nearer £5 m!!!! me thinks u are trippin son
44

charlie nicholas(THE PUNDIT),

08/07/2008 03:08:39
4 IN A ROW!!!! HERE WE GO
45

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:11:02
Who cares what the fee was for Donatti, he was rubbish.

Just wait until you see big Lafferty!!! when he is 25.
46

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:18:02
#60

Dailly

An extra million in value added on for each year he plays, would be my guess.
47

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:21:48
bto

We can only hope, both managers fancied him so there must be a lot of potential there. Time will tell.

5 or 6 years ago most people thought Crouch would be a big stiff, but he has really worked on his game and improved.
48

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:24:25
#62

Going to leave Liverpool for a mere 9 million....
49

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:27:03
43 Rask

Some good matches lined up.
50

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:28:22
63 bto

9mil? so that makes Flo a better player we paid 12mil. lol
51

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:36:09
thepundit never loses.

The legend goes on (as does the price of asking him for a prediction)
52

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:36:49
Again??
53

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:37:39
bto

Did OF ever give you the lottery numbers?
54

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:39:03
#69

Dailly

He only gives us grief, free of charge.
55

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:40:25
Come on OF give us 6 numbers for this weeks draw.
56

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:42:01
I split the draw here in Canada when they come up. Its easy to find you.
57

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:52:15
Why, are you one of the little people?
58

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 03:55:21
Just read the caption under the photo..Reminds me of a shop window in Enniskillen a few back..."Bargain Basement,Second Floor..."Only in Ireland..lol
59

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 03:59:11
night,night..omnipotent one..
60

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 03:59:47
Swordsman

The wife is trying to talk me in to coming to Dublin with her in early September for a week, she has to go there for business meetings.

My mates are pushing to go down to South Carolina for golf the same week. Oh what to do!
61

Daillyman,

08/07/2008 04:00:55
GN, Of, Swordsman, BTO
62

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 04:04:21
Dman..so thats either crack cocaine or craic..I guess you know which one I'd go for...Just saw Billy Connolly in town tonight and he sums up the Dubs in one wee tale..Walking down O'Connell St he is accosted by a wee Irish woman who recognises him.."Here,Billy" she cries,"Your the spitting image of yourself!"..fab!
63

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 04:07:44
Song moment..Eric Carmen.."All by myself"
64

bring them on,

08/07/2008 04:56:00
A wee lunch inside me and I'm ready for the afternoon shift..
65

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 05:15:19
BTO..sent u that Fbook link..
66

bring them on,

08/07/2008 05:28:30
Swordsman

Cheers.

Looks like another clone of thepundit is out and about. Not a very good one, but he "tested" it oot on the news pages. Different font.

Still, should get OF's blood pressure up again.

Good gig?
67

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 05:33:00
Gig was fab...Did a whole routine based on Smeato and the burning jeep at Glasgow Airport...Thought I was gonna wet meself...
68

bring them on,

08/07/2008 05:36:31
Glad to hear he can still do the business.

Nae decent comedy over here. I'll need to spend a few more bob an Amazon this month.

So, Crouch didnae sign for Rangers, eventhough it was his first choice.
69

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 05:41:34
Think the price tag/wages would have seen him going anywhere but Glasgow...Fair player but given his height was always gonna be set up as "target man" ...unfair as he has a nice touch...
70

bring them on,

08/07/2008 05:46:43
Seems crazy when Portsmouth can pay a player much more than Rangers or Celtic (Richy will give me hard time for putting Rangers first).

71

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/07/2008 05:47:48
Bed time for bonzo....later...
BTW..punch in Wishbone Ash on groups at FB and catch up with likeminded souls...Have a good one!
72

bring them on,

08/07/2008 05:55:52
Cheers
73

wayne bijlyeerheid,

middle of ffing nowhere 08/07/2008 08:51:46
#89
>Seems crazy when Portsmouth can pay a player much more than Rangers or Celtic<
Every team in the EPL is guaranteed more money in a season, win lose, come nowhere or get relegated, than the OF can earn. Not sure of the Championship's cash but reckon it is also above the SPL.
Have to laugh at the bampots like rasclattinoff, on here from midnight to midnight spewing hate, then calling others all the biggoted terms under the sun.
Get a life, get a bath.
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08/07/2008 09:16:48
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/07/2008 09:25:55
..gee is that what happens when your the also rans..you try to score points by saying your pre season friendlies are bigger than your pre season friendlies..ouch....enjoy your triumph gers fans it must be great to have a meaningless pre season friendly with liverpool lined up..i take it you will not be getting charged to go and see it...
80

Pud Pu,

New York City 08/07/2008 09:27:04
All of yous disgust me with your old firm blog ping pong. If Rangers were part of a United Kingdom league then we wouldn't have to be drageed down by playing in the 'non country' Manchester showed our potential and our poweer. We are truly great and we are truly qunitiseentiul.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/07/2008 09:27:41
#93..ally mccoist thinks laffertty is a gamble..vrlicka looks sound and miller is dire...xxx
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Pud Pu,

NYC 08/07/2008 09:27:56
Celtic fans - isn't there an amateur league in Rome that you can go and play in ?
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/07/2008 09:31:20
#99/101 how are things in nyc..are you up early or up late ??
"Manchester showed our potential .." never a truer word !!!!
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Pud Pu,

NYC 08/07/2008 09:35:03
I'm not in New York - I always take my holidays around the 12th. Celebrating the great day this year alongside some evangelical brothers in dar es Salaam and handing out 100 rangers shirts as part of charity
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Pud Pu,

NYC 08/07/2008 09:38:01
I'm handing out the orange Sir david Murray topes with the 1707 on the back. We are not scared to say we are politically and religiously affiliated like them. WE ARE
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/07/2008 09:40:11
103/104..just try and remember this is a football messageboard,.but i fear the worse xxx
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/07/2008 10:37:23
#108 as ive said hes dire but im glad your pleased with him
91

bring them on,

08/07/2008 10:49:15
KM was a good buy.
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Bosco Bhoy,

----Donegal---- 08/07/2008 10:53:30
I know it’s customary for Celtic and Rangers fans to denigrate any signings the 'other lot' make but I would like to make a few points about Miller.

Every Celtic fan I know respects the guys application, professionalism and dedication to the teams objective on any given match day and most of all we really hoped he could come good during his time at CP.
Thinking about it, he stands out in my head as a Celtic CF who was given more time than usual bearing in mind his many awful misses.

I like the idea some Rangers fans are peddling that although he 'may' not score that many for them he will create chances for others to capitalise on.

C'mon lets get real here. Yes he has superb pace but that’s diminishing every year, but his first touch is terrible, his link up play is non existent, his runs off the ball are often pointless, his hold up play is sub standard ........need I go on?
How on earth will KM create chances for others you guys only know.

Lets be very clear what you are getting is a guy who can run very fast and who will burst a gut for the cause but what your not getting is an accomplished forward player.

Sad but very true IMO.

BTW
Since 99% of bears felt he was a cra-p player while he played for the Celts how come he is now a good player?
Strange mindset.
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 10:58:45
111 JR

I would like to see MORE young talent come through at CP and if we are going emulate clubs like Ajax and attemtp to be a thorn in the side of the super rich clubs at CL level then we need to get the fecking coaching right and bring forward more McGeadys.
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Waitin´and hopin,

Madrid 08/07/2008 11:04:55
I´ve read with interest the comments over the last few weeks re miller. I am one who did´n´t want him back at Ibrox, not because he has played at Parkhead but because he´s not worth the money.# 108 ...he had apont to prove at Celtic and failed why would he succeed at Ibrox? I hope you´re right about the number of goals he´ll score...but I doubt it! # 112 I agree totally with your points.
I have to say that given the choice I would prefer Novo but really neither should be in the frame.
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 11:15:37
JR

I must confess to getting a bit pis*ed off sometimes about the idea that we are still a work in progress re getting the coaching right.

Celtic, Rangers, Scotland Derry City and the bloody dog have known now for a few decades about the Dutch/Ajax system and how that country punched above their weight due to proper effective coaching and this is very evident from the players they produce.

Why cant we just do what they are doing and instead of McGeady being the odd one out of a youth/reserve team that has his type of ball control, they should all be at that level. Dont ye think?
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 11:18:51
115 Waitin

I suppose we never do know do we. I mean i thought Mcdonald would be at best a decent squad player last year and couldnt see how Donatti wouldnt fail to shine in the SPL after learning his craft in Serie A.
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Waitin´and hopin,

08/07/2008 11:20:50
We are restricted in who we can buy from outwith the EU as so many players need work permits in UK and don´t in Holland, Portugal etc.Rangers had this problem when they brought Jardel to Ibrox and couldn´t get him a work permit....he then signed for Porto, Sporting , Galatasaray and was the top scorer every season....until he found bevvy!
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Waitin´and hopin,

08/07/2008 11:22:25
Bosco.......you´re right but Miller has had several chances at various clubs so in my opinion the odds are stacked against him
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Gerry M,

08/07/2008 11:29:32
112 Bosco Bhoy

Or "headless chicken" to summarize
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Plonker,

08/07/2008 11:35:33
Mr Gibbons is rather stating the obvious here, which is neither of the OF can afford top talent. And as to the mercenary tag - 'twas ever thus.

I think Celtic are trying to sign younger talent from European clubs - Donatti and Sno spring to mind. However, I don't see this strategy working. If the youngster's any good, the club won't want to sell. If he's not, as is the case with both Sno and Donatti, the quicker the club can offload for a fee, the better. Celtic may say it's worth a gamble. However, neither of the OF make too many mistakes when it comes to selling/releasing youngsters they don't think are up to standard. I don't think Celtic should expect other, bigger, clubs to mistakenly sell them someone who's going to be any good.

Answer ? Get the (continental, English, Welsh, Irish) youngster into your own youth set up as early as possible, as you would with local lads. Not easy but this way, you spread the risk, because you're never going to populate your first team with a whole load of guys born within a 30 mile radius of Glasgow. Not these day you won't.

Donatti - 1.3m quid. Press often add wages to the transfer fee and call it a "deal".
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Jealousy,jealousy,

08/07/2008 11:38:57
#119 Bosco

Unfortunately the competitive nature for which we are known plays a big part in it. In youth football games are played on full size pitches with full size goals. Naturally talented players are then overlooked for the big, fast, strong boys who can cope with this better. This serves them well up to a certain level but they then dont have the skills to progress further. Just try playing the smaller, less developed, but more talented boys. Results suffer and parents etc shout for the big boys to come back on. How many fights are there on the touchlines between parents?

In Holland the emphasis is placed more on technique than winning with smaller pitches and goals. Until the whole way youth football is run and thought of is changed things i fear will remain the same.
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 11:48:16
125 JJ and Hugh 126

IMHO we still do a very poor job at nurturing young talented players through the age groups and ensuring that by the time they become pros they have all the technical requirements of a modern day footballer.

Remember the Youth World Cup in Canada last year were the Scotland team was totally outclassed by the Japanese. The fecking Japanese. All they do at high school is play baseball and do judo and still they looked like they had come through the ranks in Brasil compared to the donkeys on show with Scotland ( many of them were CFC and RFC kids).

More quailty effort is needed now!
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 12:08:52
129 Simple

Why would Scotland play boys in a Under 20 World Cup not at the maximum age.

C'mon are you a real football fan?

Get real!

Facts can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup_squads#.C2.A0Scotland
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Bosco Bhoy,

08/07/2008 12:10:39
The Japanese werent older they were just more skillful, quicker, had better movement, better athletes etc etc etc.

In other words they had been coached better over the years.
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08/07/2008 12:13:59
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Daillyman,

08/07/2008 12:14:11
128 Bosco

Re. the WC U 20 last year in Canada, Scotland were outclassed by every team they played. After playing a full season with their clubs the team did not even look fit when compared to other sides. I know they did not play for a month but the team looked very disorganised on the park. Or again was it poor management.

Some brilliant young players on show, the kid Dos Santos that went to Spurs is one to watch and just turned 19.
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08/07/2008 12:14:40
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Plonker,

08/07/2008 12:16:07
129 - 26 when he signed, hardly old, should have all of his best years ahead of him. But the age at which Donatti moved just proves my point. You may get a 32 year old seasoned professional on the cheap, and he may do a good job for a couple of years. However, you're not going to get any continental side to sell you a young player who's any good on the cheap. If you think you're going to make him a better player, you've got another think coming.

Re Sno - we'll assume you're correct and that Sno plays well for Holland under-whatevers. Why do YOU think this is the case ?
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08/07/2008 12:16:20
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Killie Sammy,

08/07/2008 12:19:22
136. Raw nerve Bheast?

Nonce FC - Scotland's Shame

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view from the grassy knoll,

08/07/2008 12:24:46
re the talent coming through - i wouldn't be too pessimistic - i was at the england v scoland schoolboys match at wembley in May - OK we wur humped 2-0, but missed a pen and had a good goal disallowed (same old...). Anyway, what struck me was how we got the ball down and played football on the deck - can't remember his name but the Scottish captain skated the MoM award. In contrast, england had a team of 6 footers - 17 year olds FFS - honestly, they had a few inches on all our players. I think the future is worse for england - long ball to a crouch type figure, wait for a set piece (1 goal was from a corner) and charge.....oh, and the scots celebs won 2-0 - darren jackson (celeb? scored a belter!!
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08/07/2008 12:26:19
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BillyBlue,

Hamburg 08/07/2008 12:27:27
137. But they tell us Rangers are Scotland's shame Killie Sammy. I've always found this rather amusing when you consider their eh....shall we say "past misdemeanours".....
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Plonker,

08/07/2008 12:27:51
Bosco and Daillyman. This debate about lack of skill in Scottish youngsters has been going on for as long as I can remember. No one really knows the answer.

Does every other football nation(apart from the English who have the same basic problem and the Scandinavians who copy the English) have lads who are intrinsically more skillful ? Or is it that we are so insular and/or stubborn that we have failed to learn from the coaching methods of those countries who invariably produce footballers who are "comfortable on the ball" ? My money's on the latter