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The endless quest for perfection resumes as Strachan seeks fourth consecutive SPL title



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Published Date: 09 August 2008
FOR Gordon Strachan, tomorrow's seasonal opener against St Mirren at Celtic Park is the resumption of the search that never ends, the quest for progress towards an unattainable perfection.
No amount of honours could ever be enough to induce the ultimate satisfaction in managers of Strachan's bottomless ambition. And, as he confirmed yesterday, the constant striving for an unachievable objective often necessitates sacrifices. It was a r
evelation that could be construed as a rebuttal of the accusation, made regularly over the past three years, that Celtic's success has been gained at the expense of flair and verve.

"My hopes for the new season are the same as they always are," he said. "That is, to try to score goals, to try to entertain and to try and win. For all people talk about the beautiful game, what everybody involved in it wants first of all is to win. To do that and to maintain that, you have to be constantly trying to improve, and that will never stop, no matter how successful you may become. For me at this moment, I can't ask any more from my players in terms of character or fitness. They've already proved themselves there several times over.

"Ability-wise, that's where I get off. That's where it's up to the players themselves. For us, the single most important aspect where improvement is needed would be in the completion of the ten-to-fifteen-yard pass. Get that right, be able to do that consistently, and other things will fall into place. You will retain possession of the ball for longer, you'll create more opportunities and you'll score more goals. It follows that you will also win more matches."

Since he succeeded Martin O'Neill in the summer of 2005, Strachan has not stopped winning, his three successive league championships complemented by Scottish Cup and CIS Cup triumphs in 2007 and 2006 respectively. It is hardly surprising that he should be relieved that the pre-season friendlies are over and the legitimate action is at hand.

"I enjoy the working part of the pre-season, but not the friendlies," he said. "I like coaching, I like being with players, but I don't enjoy the games, because they are not competitive. I've always been like that, even as a player. I think I was sent off five times in eight pre-season friendly matches and once in 832 competitive games." The expected arrival this weekend of the Barcelona midfielder, Marc Crosas, is a relatively isolated instance of recruitment of a player from one of Europe's leading clubs, underlining the difficulties that Strachan has to endure nowadays in the business of competing in the transfer market.

"There's a clamber here for top players, but no clamber among top players to come here, and by here I mean Scotland," said Strachan. "So what we have to do is try to find bargains or gambles. A big part of any manager's job now when trying to recruit is to assess the degree of risk. I mean, every transfer is a gamble. You look at clubs like Fulham and others of comparable status in England buying players for £12million and none of them can guarantee they will bring them success. In terms of purchasing power, we get off a long way before those kind of figures. With somebody like Crosas, who is costing an initial outlay of just £400,000, you believe that's a gamble well worth taking. I've only seen him on video, but others have seen him in the flesh and, if you talk to people whose judgment you trust, you think, right, he's worth the risk. What do I think he can bring to us? Well, from what I've seen, I believe he'll start with mastery of the ten-to-15-yard pass."

Where improving individuals is concerned, Strachan is entitled to credit for the progress of Aiden McGeady, unquestionably the most skilful player in his squad. McGeady himself admitted yesterday that he began to make proper use of his natural gifts when he became receptive to the manager's advice.

"We understand each other better now, because I'm taking on board what he says," McGeady said. "I've realised he's said things in the past that have helped me. I remember specifically before the match away to Benfica in the Champions League last season when the manager said that I would be most effective by running at them in straight lines.

"In preparing for the game, I was still zig-zagging inside and out and he kept insisting it was the wrong way. In the game itself, he proved to be right. I was running straight at them and had a good performance that night. I'd always seen myself as a central midfield player, but I've also realised I'm not quite ready for that and I can be most effective playing in the wider areas. I'd like to score more, but I'm working on that, mainly on composure when I get goalscoring opportunities."





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1

crepes84,

Ayr 09/08/2008 00:24:25
What a difference a few weeks make! WGS credibility has reached new heights on the back of his third league title and an enthusiastic pre-season. He also appears a calmer individual although it will be interesting to see if he is 'suited' and sitting in the Directos Box for Sunday's game. He was one of the country's best players of his generationa and we may be about to see him reach his peak as a manager!
2

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 09/08/2008 01:15:34
I agree. I never really liked strachan, and not becasue of all this "not Celtic minded" rubbish. I didn't like his sarcastic interview techniques; which is not becoming of a Celtic manager, and like MON, he tends to stand by his signings, even when they are rubbish, like Naylor.

However, he has done the business and proven me and thousands of others wrong! Hail Hail Gordon. You have grown into the job and despite what the laptop loyals will continue to peddle, the Celtic support are behind you (at last).

And another thing, where is the broken crest of the stinkgers in the press. Is it only Celtic that get that kind of treatment? I am utterly amazed at how lightly this rabble were criticised for such a dreadful performance last week. If that was us there would be hoardes of stories villifying us.

Scotland will remain a backwater until this type of hypocrisy is eradicated.
3

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 03:30:47
2

You're first 2 paragraphs say it all,,,hypocrite.
4

Richardinho,

09/08/2008 04:23:10
Fair enough that Celtic are installed as favourites; they've earned that right with three straight championships, and rangers miserable pre-season only strengthens that case.
Nonetheless, I certainly am taking nothing for granted and I very much doubt that Gordon Strachan is either.

I am looking forwards to seeing some, hopefully, great football. I think we have some great players in our side-McGeady, Brown, McDonald, Venegoor of Hesselink etc and I think this will be a big year for all these guys to really show what they can do.
5

twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 05:27:33
Morming guys,
I think I'll need to log onto Confused.com. Following yesterday's RST meeting with SDM,WS,MB, the tabloids, including this one, stated reassurances had been given that Rangers' best players would not be sold, and that 2 creative midfielders would be in place before the window ends.

We were told yesterday

"Fans were assured key players – such as Carlos Cuellar, who has been linked with Tottenham and Aston Villa this week – would not be sold to compensate for the failure to secure Champions League money.

And they were also told efforts have been stepped up to ensure two new creative midfielders check in at Ibrox before the end of the transfer window"

This morning the quote from Walter is

""The situation has always been the same," said Smith. "It was the same with Alan Hutton. If someone comes in and offers the club a level of money like that, there is always a pressure on you to give that consideration. Especially now, after being knocked out of Europe. You are maybe more liable or susceptible to an offer. But so far, although everyone is talking about that, we have not had one (for Cuellar]. I am hoping, and everyone here is hoping, that continues to be the case."

What a difference a day (or a few hours make!

In my opinion Rangers would be crazy to turn down say £10m for Cuellar, so why didn't they just tell the RST and other representatives this yesterday?

It would seem to me Walter is encouraging a bid for Cuellar. Why didn't he just repeat the statement that they gave to the RST? Seems Walter and SDM have told the faithful one thing, and the press another.


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Richardinho,

09/08/2008 06:07:07
I'd be amazed that anyone would spend 10 million for any Rangers player. Seems like the media has talked this up just to help out their pal Dave Murray.
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09/08/2008 06:53:04
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 07:36:49
Fancied Falkirk for a point myself but that was before Rangers received a massive morale boost from the news yesterday that Kenny Miller is injured and is likely to miss out.

So my weekend predictions;

Falkirk 0 Rangers 1
Dons 1 Caley 0
Hearts 1 Motherwell 1
Killie 0 Hibs 0
Celtic 4 St Mirren 0
Hamilton 0 Dundee Utd 2
10

twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 07:42:53
And my fancy for a 30/1 accumulator on 4 aways

1. Wolves @ 13/8

2 Reading @ 11/8

3 Leeds @ 5/4

4 Dundee Utd @ 11/10
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 07:45:12
Above teams = very slightly under £300 for a tenner. Fill yer boots!
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09/08/2008 07:58:05
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09/08/2008 08:04:06
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paulmac,

surrey 09/08/2008 08:10:35
After the treatment Kenny has been given by his own support.....is it any surprise he is injured?
15

paulmac,

surrey 09/08/2008 08:11:49
9

Novo and Weir are suspended today...something else that might worth bearing in mind!
16

paulmac,

surrey 09/08/2008 08:13:45
Morning Tim

That £1m ...is that all up front?
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09/08/2008 08:14:32
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09/08/2008 08:15:48
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09/08/2008 08:17:50
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 08:25:56
Paul

Novo Weir AND Miller all out..hmm..better amend my forecast to 2-0 Rangers.

Kenny Miller? Going to cause Wattie some sleepless nights.

Thinking about it, I'll be watching to see if Kennyboy is in the stand, 'cos if he is not, I have a fairly good idea where he might be.

A town called "Fruita" in Colorado hold an annual event called "The headless chicken day"

The main event is the "5K Run Like a Headless Chicken Race". I kid you not, google it if you don't believe me!

If I can get confirmation that Kenny has sneaked off to the race, I'll be revisiting that bet I referred to earlier, and investing my money on Kenny to win.
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09/08/2008 08:26:24
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Richardinho,

09/08/2008 08:30:51
'I don't want to be in the game that puts us out of the Champions League'
He must have been gutted then, when he get sent on in the 88th minute!
23

LAST ORDERS FOR SDM AND WATTIE,

Ibrox 09/08/2008 08:31:55
When will the bheggars get it through their thick neanderthal skulls, Rangers are the number 1 club in Scotland.
Always have been and always will.
celtic may be champions at the moment, but Rangers are still the biggest club with the most fans.
That's FACT and that's why you won't see the magnificent club crest shattered like the celtic one regularly is.
Rangers are the majority.
celtic are 2nd class in every way.
The minority club.
If only they could get used to that they'd be a lot happier.
24

LAST ORDERS FOR SDM AND WATTIE,

Ibrox 09/08/2008 08:35:52
Got to laugh at all the support for strachan....how many weeks is it since the dim tims were shouting for his head?
Pathetic.
Looks like he's signed another genius in Crossass....according to the comedian he's a master of the 10 to 15 yard pass.
On ye go wee man, another quality strachan signing.
The guy must be a bam if jhe thinks going to the piggery is a step up from Barca.....ho,ho,ho,ho,ho!!!
25

paulmac,

surrey 09/08/2008 08:36:17
Tim

I've been saying for a while....Rangers peaked last season...

They punched well above their weight...they caught teams cold...with their style and tactics...

They carried a fair amount of luck in terms of fixtures and results..

I just don't see them taking all the above points across into this season....
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09/08/2008 08:36:42
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09/08/2008 08:39:23
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Richardinho,

09/08/2008 08:41:36
'celtic may be champions at the moment, but Rangers are still the biggest club with the most fans.'

That just makes Celtic's success all the more remarkable then. Rangers have been far behind Celtic for over forty years. Ranger's 9 in a row years were only achieved by spending far beyond the club's means and they have suffered for that since.
There must be something seriously wrong with Rangers to be so far behind Celtic for so long when they have so many things supposedly in their favour.
29

a bhoys life,

Dublin 09/08/2008 08:41:58
Congratulations to Celtic & Owen Coyle for getting the rotten mob to blow the majority of their borrowed transfer budget on Kyle ( ave no got a clue ) Lafferty.
30

twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 08:47:16
23#

The club crest? That'll be the one that says "Ready"?

I'd change that to "Not Quite Ready". Wouldn't you? Or maybe "We'll be ready in a wee while"

Cos when you analyse it, your not "Ready" are you.

You were not "Ready" to play an SPL game and had it postponed.

You were not "Ready" when you had to see out the season without an extension?

You were not "Ready" a few days back to deal with a bunch of part timers from a European backwater!

Aye, I think that makes much more sense;

"Rearrangerz, we'll be Ready in a wee while"


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09/08/2008 08:51:27
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a bhoys life,

Dublin 09/08/2008 08:51:42
Rangers Scotlands shame.
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09/08/2008 08:52:39
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a bhoys life,

Dublin 09/08/2008 08:52:59
Celtic our greatest hope.
35

a bhoys life,

Dublin 09/08/2008 08:54:13
They purport to be british, but the majority of British people abhor them.
36

a bhoys life,

Dublin 09/08/2008 08:57:49
Yogi,s bairns to rattle the roten mob today
37

paulmac,

surrey 09/08/2008 09:01:49
#23

Really?

You may care to remember the comments of your ex-director...a Mr. Hugh Adam...in 2002

Rangers do not have the customer fan base to improve their financial standing. The so called Global appeal is a myth.

We did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans to recommend a realtive or a friend abroad....

a big response was expected some even thought up to 100,000 names...

We got back...2,800..names & 3 quaters of them didn't know they had been nominated...

The difference is that while the Irish have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don't support Rangers...but actively dislike them...

It is no surprise that CELTIC are officially the best supported football club in North America with more official clubs than any one else.

GIRFUY
38

twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 09:15:43
24#

"Looks like he's signed another genius in Crossass....according to the comedian he's a master of the 10 to 15 yard pass".

Could have been an invaluable asset that on Tuesday night, you know, someone with the skill to play the ball 15 yds.

Just ask Wattie. How different would things have been had Christian Dailly been able to bring a ball off his chest and move it 15 yds?

Instead of that, he proved once again he couldn't trap a bag of cement, and before you know it, Archie Macpherson is giving it "Whooooooosh, there goes £15m"
39

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 09/08/2008 09:17:51
# 37 paulpac
hit the nail on the head
"the oirish have an allegiance to krapheid"
plastic paddies then ?
a shamrock goes a long way in boston
40

Richardinho,

09/08/2008 09:24:42
#39
Pretty rich given the plastic proddies allegiance to a foreign monarch.
41

invictager,

Kent 09/08/2008 09:34:58
#38
Sorry to say I have to agree with you on that one. I would have settled for someone who could play a five yard pass on wednesday.

However, I still think there is little between the clubs as last season proved. All the false bravado and league will be over by xmas etc is the same rubbish as last year. You too easily forget your own clubs failings
42

Bryce Curdy,

09/08/2008 09:37:11
#23 - I will happily concede that Rangers are Scotland's establishment club. Your comments are rather silly.

#30, twists'n'turns - good stuff, but don't fall into the trap of repeating 'Sir David's' lie about there being no season extension. Rangers Losers lost the league DESPITE the season being extended for the benefit of them and them only.
43

Pat the Hat,

Cloud Nine-and-a-half 09/08/2008 10:12:10
Sorry for being late, lhads, but my chest is still hurting with all the laughing I've done over the past few days.

And just when it's about to subside, up pops a typical idiot with "we're still rabiggestinnat so weurr" and the knuckledragger from Down Under (did the Australian authorities really admit a fool like that or is he fantasising in some South Lanarkshire kip) and the laughter starts again. Woohoo!

i don't know which was louder last Tuesday night – the laughter around Europe or the sigh of relief. I'm betting on the latter.

And I'm also betting on four-in-a-row – it won't be a stroll, it's unlikely to be a canter but it WILL be done.

All together now: "Low lie the fields of Athenry… "
44

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 09/08/2008 10:26:24
# 43 pat the prat
ffs you never been at an of game
lyrics after all together now are
the cry was ..........
you know the rest
but maybe
it's another thing your proud chlub has stolen
45

2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 10:43:18
Yesterday afternoon, Smith, Bain and Minty met with the We arra Peoples' Front of Judea, The Judean We arra Peoples' Front and off-course, The We arra Peoples' Popular Front and gave assurances that none of their star players [snigger] would be sold and that no less than 2 creative midfield players would be on the books at Ibrox before the window closes.

They must all be scratching their heads this morning when they read Walters' interview in this blatt this morning, which in dull grey tones tells us that as a result of getting pumped in Kaunas, Rearrangerz are "susceptible" to accepting a big offer for Carlos, and sounding very pessimistic about bringing in 1 never mind 2 creative midfield players before the window shuts.
46

Celtic Forever,

no-one likes them, they don't care 09/08/2008 10:44:21
At least Europe is spared the filth from govan urinating their way around the continent, mugging people on every away game.

The stinkgers used to be the shame of Scotland, now they are the joke of Scotland.
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Pat the Hat,

Cloud Nine-and-a-half 09/08/2008 10:56:51
Dear God, the knuckledragger from Down Under thinks that the musical instruction "All together now…" was composed by the rabble at Ipox and belongs to them! lol!

"it's another thing your proud chlub has stolen" lol!

Oh my aching sides.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 10:59:00
45

GM 2P. Yep, my point exactly at #5. What an abysmal way to treat the fans. Tell them one thing, and send out a "come and get Carlos" message the next.

Better get in touch with Mot Juste and ask him to reserve another seat on his Hutton bus.


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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 11:12:10
48 tnt

It certainly is "come and get carlos".

After pouring cold water over the idea yesterday afternoon, Walter then gives an interview during which he hangs a big 'FOR SALE' sign around Cuellar's neck.

You could not make it up. He treats the rearrangerz hordes with the same contempt as Blackadder did the Prince Regent.
50

2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 11:19:57
During Strachan's interview yesterday, he pointed out that any of the young ones that get a chance this season will have to shine like stars if they want to get another shot at it.

Strachan said coming in and doing "a'right" just isn't good enough...they will need to be brilliant.

The extent of Strachan's ambition is clear....though he would never say so in public, he believes that anything is possible at Celtic and he wants the players around him to feel the same way.
51

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 09/08/2008 11:24:55
# 47 pat the prat
i don't think that "all together now" belongs to us
i know it
just as i know that
day follows night
success follows failure
enjoy ur day in the sun
winter is coming soon
52

twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 11:42:35
Could be doing with a wee bit of winter. Been fekkin' melting here for 3 years now. Forecast is not too encouraging tho'. More of the same according to the experts.
53

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 14:48:44
8 Tim

My post @ 2 I thought was spot on, its a pity CFC supporters who have backed WGS since day one did not respond to the post. But that's normal.

Yes we are out of Europe and there is a loss of that revenue. Hurting now?,, I got over it quickly as we did not deserve to win the tie, we were poor.

I am sure you can relate to early exists in Europe and loss of revenue.

Last year the best team won the league as they always do.

The new season has kicked off and despite a weakened squad through injury and suspension the Gers pick up their first way win of the season.
54

Ribbonman,

09/08/2008 17:27:02
#39 Stay in Sydney, you plastic Englishman!
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Ribbonman,

Kilmarnock 09/08/2008 17:37:31
#51. The words of a song are all you seem to have, you bird brain. It must be sad having to follow a loser team like Rankers. Well I think that the people here in Scotland are mighty proud that the mob from sectarian central have been booted out of Europe.We wont be holding our breath this season waiting for our country to be disgraced on the European/ World stage by hooligan mis-fits who support the most sectarian club in the world.Rangers supporters= sectarian plastic Englishmen.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 17:46:44
It's "hunt the open thread" time again. I see that the RFC match report has already bitten the dust.

Is it really too much to ask posters to leave their hatred for individuals/football clubs/religious denominations behind and just have a civilised footballing debate?

The end result can only be the closure of all "Scotsman" football threads which relate in even the smallest way to either OF side.

Every decent poster will be the loser.
57

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 18:03:45
56 Bemused

The threads were going good light banter nothing over the top.

Then who appears but the CFC supporter who loves to clone Gers posters today he hijacks "bemused and above it all" user name.

Then proceeds to post "I hope you're wife gets cancer"

Most of the tic supporters are pretty decent and can take the back and forth banter without dragging comments down to the level the "the clone with no stones" did.

Pretty sad to see no condemnation of the poster on the thread that was open at the time by Celtic supporters online.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised but I was.

Anyway 3 points to the Gers with hearts up next.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 18:16:09
Brian

Certainly a poor comment.

I think we're all a little guilty of ignoring the more offensive posts from our own side, but certain things do deserve universal condemnation.

Not overly impressed with Rangers today, but any kind of win was welcome after recent events. Hopefully with players returning from injury and a new player or maybe two coming in, we will push on from here and make a real fight of the SPL title race.

Reading between the lines, it certainly appears that RFC are prepared to sell Cuellar if the right offer comes in. However, if that offer is closing in on £10 million, and the money is used to buy a replacement AND two good midfielders, then I'm happy enough with it.

Interesting season ahead.
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invictager,

Kent 09/08/2008 18:16:17
I have said it before and will say it again, all posters should have to register with a credit card. You can fake a user id if barred but it would be harder to fake a credit card identity.
60

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 18:25:25
59 Invictager

I said the same thing in an email I sent to the papers editor, credit card registration for proof of name.

As bemused has said the forums are a great idea and touching base with "FOOTBALL" supporters from all over the globe is terrific. Yet there are some, well enough has been said about them.

61

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 18:28:13
58 Bemused

Al kinds of rumours in the English press, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal all reportedly interested.

Every player has his price!!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 18:38:36
Brian

I think we honestly have to accept that the days of Rangers being able to hold on to players in the £9 million bracket are in the past. It's a lot of money in a Scottish context, and only the CL riches, which we sadly ain't getting this season, can compare.

I was sorry to see Hutton go, but I fully understood that it was simply too much for RFC to turn down, and Cuellar is a similar situation.

SDM is still paying the price for getting caught up in Advocaat's expensive dream, and Smith, like McLeish before him, is having to suffer as a consequence.

It frankly makes more sense for Rangers to have 3 x £3 million players rather than a £9 million one.
63

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 18:51:55
Agree with you, after all it is the SPL title that the goal is not winning the CL.

Qualification for the group and knock out phase is great for the support, but from the clubs point of view the extra revenue is the plus.
64

BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 19:26:11
James

I think that, generally speaking, a condemnation carries more resonance when the offending poster is criticised by his "own side".

Pax, for example, has, on many occasions, "invited" me to condemn posts from the RFC side, usually to subsequently turn around and describe my condemnation as "weak", but at least I've made an effort of sorts!

I think there is a real need for posters of all persuasions to jump on offensive posts, without any regard for which "side" the poster is on.

There are precious few OF threads open for business any more.
65

Daillyman,

09/08/2008 19:31:54
64

James am I the only Gers supporter who is supposed to jump on abuse.

You have never once seen a post from me supporting sectarianism, bigotry, religious persecution, or child abuse. Or abuse against any ones family.

I have been on these threads many times and condemned RFC supporters for such posts.

As for the tic supporters who were online during the chat that was decent craic, yes I thought one of them would have said something, WHy? you might ask, because post like that are not needed. By either side.

I'm so sorry that I failed to comment on a sick post made by a Gers supporter, maybe if we ignore them they will stay away. But I love you're logic.
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 19:34:51
Very well put James.

It was a particularly vile post, but , Brian, I've had just as bad and worse as I'm sure you've had yourself.
I'm sure you can rise above it although that's a bit rich coming from me because I often react badly to it.

Anyway, let's get back to talking about Champions Celtic....aren't they a grand old team to play for ?

The sports scientists at CP report that without exception, every player's fitness has improved since this time last year.

This is an area which could hold the key to Celtic making the last 16 and possibly further than that. Having superior levels of fitness is a great leveller.
Against the barcas, chelseas, man u.s, etc, man for man they have better players and you have to try to match them or even better them wherever you can and fitness is one department where Celtic can be the best.
Paddy McOURT was reportedly shocked by the intensity of Strachan's pre-season regime, and all the players who've passed comment have said that it has been extremely demanding.
Supreme fitness levels bring greater confidence and the skills stay with you for longer in the match.

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Daillyman,

09/08/2008 19:42:22
67 Patrick

No sir I have not had worse, having family members who have passed away from the dread that is cancer, it was a poor comment.

And had a Gers supporter said the same words to you while I was on line would have let them know the comment was over the top. And I have done so in the past.

We can slag each other off all all day and then get on with things but as Bemused said until we start policing ourselves on these threads they will be doomed.

Enjoy you're day.
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 19:46:50
Personally , I think clubs should look at the royal marines or parachute regiments' selection tests and take some ideas from them.

One test prospective marines go through is 4 miles in 30 minutes, some of it uphill, and carrying a load of 30lbs.
For me, that requires a ferocious level of fitness, and if players were doing that every day in training - it's only going to take out 30 mins - they would never have to worry about fitness issues against anyone.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 19:48:41
"4 miles in 30 minutes, some of it uphill, and carrying a load of 30lbs."

Charlie Adam does it every Saturday.
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09/08/2008 19:49:18
Takes him 90 mins though.
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09/08/2008 19:52:10
Brian,

I agree...it was a bloody awful comment, absolutely disgusting.
I didn't make a conscious decision not to respond. I just read it and thought what a disgusting comment.
Sometimes I feel it's better just to ignore other times I get involved. It just depends what sort of mood I'm in.

Don't let it get you down bro !
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 19:55:48
James

I know from bitter experience that you and I simply won't yield, so we can either argue all night (not truly an option since I'm about to leave) or we can agree to differ.

The poster in question has posed as many posters, myself included, always of an RFC persuasion, so I'm satisfied regarding which side of the divide he belongs to. If RFC posters are upset by him, he probably feels like he's doing a good job. If CFC posters were to voice their disapproval, he might be dissuaded from continuing his antics.
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Cloud Nine-and-a-half 09/08/2008 20:14:48
And so the new season starts and Rangers get back to where they left off, scraping 0-1s against the bottom six having been mostly outplayed. Still, a win is a win, three points are three points. They couldn't stay top for long, though. Well done, Caley.

Can't believe a poster said what he was quoted as saying – there are some serious sickos out there.

Bemused One, haven't seen you around for a while. Was it depression with recent results or, as I hope, tiredness due to late nights nursing a new addition to the family? I hope all went well and the buachaill arrived safely.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

09/08/2008 20:27:51
Greetings Pat

I was alive for Celtic's NIAR, so I'm immune to footballing depression. It has never quite got that bad again. Anyway as a master of spin, I'm fond of pointing out that, over the last 7 seasons of Celtic "domination", both teams have won exactly 9 maor domestic trophies, both have reached the CL last 16, and both have contested a UEFA Cup final. So let's just call it a draw, eh?

The baby is fine. He weighed in 7 days ago at a bouncy 9lb 12oz, and has a fine pair of lungs. Many have observed his likeness to me. Just how good a start in life is that?!
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 20:41:04
Evening folks.

Not overly surprised at Rangers' victory, indeed I called it 1-0. (the least said about my other scorecasts the better!) Very surprised however that any Rangers fan could have derived any hope from the performance. Of course, satisfaction at taking 3 pts is understandable, but the performance? It was absolutely dire, and the signs are that the failure to beat a top 5 side away from home last season could manifest itself again.

If Celtic cannot put some distance between themselves and Rangers, based on that showing (and the Kaunas showings) then some serious questions would need to be asked of WGS.

A message of intent should be delivered tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how Celtic perform in their first competitive match. I'll be astonished if it's not way above the level of what Rangers have produced in their 3 competitive matches to date.
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Pat the Hat,

Cloud Nine-and-a-half 09/08/2008 20:41:07
lol!

If six out of eight titles and two last 16s as opposed to one is your idea of a draw, mate, best not do the pools.

However, if the young fellow learns to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear the way his dad can, he'll never be short of a bob or two. Good luck!
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 21:11:21
Pat, expectation levels have dropped over Ibrox way. Probably borne out of Celtic's domination this milennium. As you say, 6 titles from the last 8, and 2 x last 16 entries. This has seemingly diluted expectation across the city.

It would seem that some would accept Celtic winning the league every year if Rangers could keep grabbing both cups. I'd be desperately unhappy if that situation was reversed. The cup final is a nice day out at the season's end, but unless it has been preceeded by claiming the league title, it does not bring any great degree of satisfaction to Celtic or Rangers players.

Rangers have been dealt a double blow in the last 3 months that will, and is already having, serious repurcussions.

Celtic FC will be failing the fans if they do not take advantage of that. We have the opportunity to put the boot in and have to take it.

I think we will.
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 21:17:47
My , my, we've all been so busy with the woes of the rearrangerz that it sounds like world war three has kicked off without our noticing.

I haven't watched the news for the last couple of days and saw something coming up on aol, but there are so many conflicts going on that I couldn't be 3rsed paying much interest.

But this looks like a horror story.
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I believe that Celtic are doing everything they can to strengthen. Lawell was back and forth to France quite a few times trying to sign Tamas and the fee being quoted was over £3m.

So why the deal collapsed we'll probably never know, but Celtic had to agree a fee with Auxerre before they got permission to speak to the player. But at least we're prepared to spend 'big' (in the scottish sense) and mibees someone better than Tamas has come on the radar...hope springs eternal!
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 21:29:24
In any case I believe our current squad is good enough for both 4 in a row and a last 16 place.

If we get Crosas , I will not be that bothered if we get noone else : we still have the january window if things are tight.
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 21:43:52
2P

Something other than finance became an issue with the Tamas deal, that's for sure. There had to be something in his personality profile that didn't sit right with Lawell. The money offers from Celtic were all acceptable, but Lawell stated Celtic's position had changed and they were no longer interested, and emphasised that money was not the issue.

Playboy? Who knows!
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 21:49:26
I tend to agree : something crawled out the woodwork that was most unexpected and when that happens it's better to just say nothing and walk away.

But it demonstrates that Celtic are in the market for £3m-£4m players.
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 21:55:48
Here 2P, I'm bored. Do you think this team would have wound up the bears had they all played at the same time?


Boruc

Anton Rogan
Mick McCarthy
Roy Aitken
Chris Morris

Neil Lennon
Peter Grant
Scott Brown
Aiden McGeady

Mo Johnston
Alfie Conn
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:00:38
Tim, I really like Robinson. Seen him in action and he's decent. A real hot head though!

Hope you are correct about that CH. I've asked for a full back and CH the last 2 seasons, but Santa keeps letting me down!
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:01:40
James, good shout. Forgot about Frankieboy.
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 22:01:43
Raging Ranger Syndrome would reach unprecedented levels. Johnny Doyle and Charlie Nicholas on the bench ?
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:06:05
Oh no 2P, forgot about Johnny Doyle. He's in. Broony oot!

I should think about bed I guess. Long drive tomorrow to see Mrs Burns unfurl the flag and to hopefully see the Champions get away to a flyer.
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:06:57
Aye, all valid Tim. Jings geez a brek man, I rattled them off in 30 secs!!
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 22:10:12
How about we just clone Neil Lennon 11 times and field a team of Lennys ?
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09/08/2008 22:11:09
Now that would be class.
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:11:25
Tim, that's a tough mob, I was sticking ma shin pads oan as I read thro' that list!! Ouch!!
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:15:57
Your memory is clearly better than mine's Tim, but the first Ger who always sticks in my mind (and used to stick in ma throat) was wee Doddy. He was always "up for it"
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2Pasquenade ,

09/08/2008 22:16:59
Timothy I think the sight of 11 Lennys on the park against the rearrangerz as a one off would be too good an opportunity to pass up.

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09/08/2008 22:19:06
Quality
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twists'n'turns,

09/08/2008 22:21:33
My oh my, this Russian situation is on Sky news. Pretty bad.