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Published Date: 27 May 2009
IF FORTUNATE enough to be in Rome, the city where tonight Manchester United meet Barcelona in the final of the Champions League, it is considered almost compulsory to visit the Pantheon, the origin of a figure of speech so beloved by sporting historians, among others.
The generic term is now applied to a monument where the illustrious dead are buried, though in the sporting firmament it is where the great jostle for position.

Sir Alex Ferguson, however, should have no need to for those elbows he once employed when an awkward centre-forward in Scotland. In the section marked finest British managers of all-time, his seat upon a plinth lifting him above all other contenders is assured, whether he lifts his third European Cup this evening or not. In the crowded penalty box of celebrated managers from these shores, Ferguson already stands tall.

Earlier this week a documentary which profiled the Manchester United manager ran on STV, its tagline being: Sir Alex Ferguson: Greatest ever British manager? The question mark, surely, is redundant. His successes have spanned an incredible 20 year spell with United, during which he has exceeded the achievements of Bob Paisley, the legendary Liverpool manager. In an era of far greater demands, of far higher pressures, Ferguson has done more than just keep on keeping on. He has built a succession of great teams from scratch. Paisley himself acknowledged that he was bequeathed a great side from Bill Shankly in 1974 when he quipped, in the understated style of a northerner: "Mind you, I've been here in the bad times too – one year we came second."

Ferguson aims to become the first British manager to successfully defend the Champions League title, although he also remains the only one to have won it. The switch in format of Europe's premier club football tournament in the early 90s has made grading achievements all the harder.

The irrepressible Brian Clough had a ready line in original wit, and would never have thought to re-heat the famous reply uttered by Ally MacLeod when asked what he might do after the 1978 World Cup. Retain it, said the then Scotland manager. Clough was smarter. He simply went out and did it, first winning the European Cup in 1979 with a team not long out of the Second Division, and successfully defending the title of European champions in 1980. He remains, at least until later this evening, the only British manager to have done so. Many have been stimulated by the recent spate of books on Clough's life, and the release of a film, The Damned United. Although this dealt with his failed attempt to follow in Don Revie's footsteps, enough light is thrown on his genius, which came to the fore as he led Derby County from lower division also-rans to English champions.

But Clough's achievements came in bursts, and though always captivating, he must bow to Ferguson's endurance. Including the Super Cup, which he has won with both Aberdeen and Manchester United, Ferguson has lifted six European titles, although the trophy which dominates his thoughts, which lured him back from the brink of retirement, is the one he hopes to wrestle from Pep Guardiola, his young adversary, in Rome tonight. In the city of seven hills, a seventh European crown awaits.

Paisley, who won three European Cups, operated before the cult of manager was forged. He remains Ferguson's closest British competitor. Yet his claim to be greatest Liverpool manager – not that the self-effacing miner's son would ever have dreamt of proposing it – is debated around Anfield itself, with Shankly, Paisley's predecessor, credited with a perhaps greater feat of pulling an ailing club up by its boot strings.

Ferguson was not asked to revive Manchester United from quite the state which Shankly found Liverpool, who were then in bottom half of the Second Division. But just how lame United had become by the time Ferguson made the decision to leave Pittodrie for Old Trafford in 1986 is the 2-0 defeat they suffered in his first game in charge, at Oxford United. It is well documented that only a Mark Robins winner in a FA Cup tie against Nottingham Forest spared Ferguson after three trophy-less years at United, and with the fans agitating for another change. Four months later United defeated Crystal Palace in the final at Wembley, though only after a replay. The triumph also provided evidence of Ferguson's will to succeed, whatever the cost. He dropped goalkeeper Jim Leighton after an uncertain performance in the first game, and despite an association stretching back to Aberdeen times. Les Sealey justified the change by keeping a clean-sheet, though Leighton found it hard to forgive Ferguson.

He cannot, however, doubt Ferguson's Midas touch, even if it took time to reveal itself in Manchester, where he battled to root out a firmly established drinking culture. Ferguson is a curious mix of firebrand and friend. Although he knows when he cannot afford to act from sentiment, he committed himself to selecting Paul Scholes for last season's Champions League final long before United reached it. Scholes had missed out on the 1999 victory over Bayern Munich due to suspension. Ferguson's compatriot Darren Fletcher, however, was left on the bench as an unused substitute in Moscow 12 months ago. The midfielder misses out tonight due to suspension.

Yesterday marked the 100th anniversary of the birth of Sir Matt Busby, who came into the world on a convenient date in the context of European Cup finals. He led United to their first success two days after his 59th birthday in 1968, and saw United win it again under Ferguson in 1999 – Busby's 90th birthday to the day. While both men were born to greatness, both men also earned it. In the shipyards in Ferguson's case, down the pit shafts in Busby's.

But Ferguson strides across both Aberdeen and Manchester like a colossus. He has inhabited different environments, and never lost the competitive desire. He brought down footballing empires on both sides of the Border. The Old Firm were pallid with comparison to Aberdeen in the mid-Eighties. In England, Liverpool cocked a snook at his arrival, but in time surrendered. The Anfield club have not won a title since the year Ferguson's trophy haul began at Old Trafford. Earlier this month United equalled their 18 championships with the 11th title of the Scot's reign.

Ferguson was a winner when he landed in Rome on Monday. He will leave its ancient streets as one as well, whatever the outcome in the Stadio Olimpico tonight.








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Charlie66,

27/05/2009 02:51:24
Apart from -

St. Mirren (1974–1978)
Scottish First Division: 1976-77

Aberdeen (1978–1986)
Scottish Premier Division: 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985-86
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup: 1983

Manchester United (1986–present)
Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup: 1991
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008.

What has he ever won?
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Tynietiger,

27/05/2009 08:15:09
Barca i Catalunya sempre al nostre cor..

I will be supporting Barcelona apart from their beautiful attacxking football Pep Guardiola supports Catalan independence whereas Alex Ferguson is a Unionist.
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Shape to Shoot,

27/05/2009 08:57:17
I take this Man U side to be the best team that has ever been in the history of the game....if they win tonight, they will set a record which I cannot see ever being broken : the Champions League and English Premiership double in consecutive seasons...it's success on a scale which one can barely comprehend even though it's happening right in front of us.
If this Man U team win tonight, they will I believe carve something in the stone of history which will never be surpassed.
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Darien,

Panama 27/05/2009 10:39:52
#2 is on the wight wines #4. Fwergwuson dwus nwot bewieve in hwis own nwation. He bewieves onwy in the (artwificial) 'nwation' kwown as the Uwited Kwingdom of Gwate Bwitan & Nworthern Wireland. Jwust wlike Gwordon Bwown. Thwey do nwot bewieve in Scwotwand, wend of stwory.

Its onwy a gwame #3, no nweed to gwet too excwited.
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Laddy Saunders,

Glasgow 27/05/2009 11:20:51
#6 bring back the days when numptys like you couldn’t use the internet. Was that post meant to be humorous? Do you still live with your ma? Thought so, bel1 end pure and simple, your an embarrassment to Scotland and Humanity.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

--Donegal---- 27/05/2009 12:00:47
Ferguson record domestically speaks for itself and is a superb collection of trophies and cups that most club managers can only dream about.

In Europe his teams have often been found out and only in recent years has his teams flexed his muscle at a level that reflects the size and stature of Man Utd.

Bearing in mind his domestic dominance and the wealth at his disposal its fair to say that 2 flucky CL wins is not testimony to him being born a winner.

If anything his Man Utd have underachieved in the same way Brian clough's Notts Forrest over achieved.

Anyway hope Barca and Messi rip them apart tonight to demonstarte to the millions of watching kids that playing football the Barca way is the way of winners.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 12:11:41
Yeah im a bigot becuase i want Barca to win.
Well that makes millions of scousers and Man city bigots as well then. What about the Spurs fans from a few years back who wore t-shirts to show their support for Barca just prior to the Arsenal Barca final?

Indeed in The Times today we are told half of Spain want Utd to win so that must make them bigots.

Go to laugh at the forum bigot starting this debate
when he is clearly out of his depth.
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Darien,

Panama 27/05/2009 12:19:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZjwchcY8Q&NR=1
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mybestmatesa,

confused 27/05/2009 12:41:27
I don't think a desire to see Barcelona win is the criteria from which the "bigot" judgement sprang. I would think it is the subjective judgement on Ferguson's achievements in paragraphs 2-4 of post #9; while ignoring the objective evidence presented in #1 that has led to the accusation.

If you genuinly believe that Manchester United under Ferguson is an example of under-achievement, I shudder to think of the standards you set. Maybe God should have made the world in 5 days?
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Xacobeo Hearts,

Galicia, ...but today with a Catalunian vibe!!! 27/05/2009 13:13:30
Almost everyone in this neck of the "bosques" is convinced that it will be Barca's night.

Me? Well my heart most undoubtedly says Barca but unfortunately my head definitely says Man U. Non-existant Barca defence and the attack currently missing a container-ship full of chances every game being a couple of rather important facts.

Think it will be 4:2 to Utd, although I dearly hope I'm wrong.

I think the thing that is surest of all is that it is going to be a spectacularly good game - which makes the fact that I'll only be able to catch the final 20 or so minutes utterly painful.

So if the footballing Gods are listening, extra time would do very nicely thank you!!!

...and at least one of Etoo's strikes against the woodwork actually going into the net instead of back out again!
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Laddy Saunders,

27/05/2009 13:26:17
#9 Cetic fan? You shouldnt really be allowed to talk about european football. (or league football for that matter).
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Daillyman,

27/05/2009 13:58:20
Hope to see SAF add to his CV as the UK's greatest ever manager, with a victory over Barca.
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Daillyman,

27/05/2009 14:16:46
New thread on another who wants to manage the tic.

Bilic the Croat.
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Leatherhead,

27/05/2009 14:45:21
#1

Thats as maybe,but quantity does not in any way make up for quality.

For example,its better to have won one single solitary Title fair and square,to have tasted and smelt that feeling of achievement, than to have "won" 52 that contained none of the above.

I was going to say.....isn`t it.

But there would be too many posters on here who would not be able to agree or disagree.

They have never experienced those special life enhancing moments.

Have they(no question mark).
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Stanley Sedgwick,

Chicago, IL 27/05/2009 15:07:26
Mr. Pattullo clearly believes Sir Matt is floating around blissfully in the football afterlife if Busby was able to see Fergie's team win the UCL in 1999. He shuffled off this mortal coil on January 20th 1994.
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Daillyman,

27/05/2009 15:22:43
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Even the decent tic posters on these threads cringe when reading Idee's posts.
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mybestmatesa,

JHB 27/05/2009 16:11:01
Leatherhead: Double think
"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
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27/05/2009 16:15:02
31 Excellent post you have just summed up 90% of the Rangers fans on these forums.Keep the good work up.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 16:19:39
31 mybest

Ferguson has had 22 years in charge of one of the richest clubs in global football.
In the context of the CL he has 2 very lucky triumphs that are significantly outweighed by many disappointments.

If you think 2 wins in 22 years is good for a team that has dominated its own league for most of that period then i would need to disagree with you.
On a euopean levl he has underachived and its no wonder the guy talks of "being frustrated" at not winning more.

On a domestic level the guy has been superb.
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mybestmatesa,

JHB 27/05/2009 16:40:21
No other manager has won the thing more than twice in its current format, not while in charge of Milan, Real Madrid or Barcelona (or any combination of teams). Ferguson has been around a lot longer than most, but he now has the chance to make it 3 tonight. In history only one other manager can compare with that. He maybe wants more, but his achievements are currently better than anyone else's.
I don't like Man Utd or Ferguson much, but I can't see the logic in any arguement against his achievemnets.
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Daillyman,

27/05/2009 16:44:01
33 Bosco

I think you have to look at the bigger picture, I believe it took SAF 5 seasons at United to qualify for the European Cup/CL.

There were a load of clubs in Britain with the same financial clout as United then.

It was much easier in the earlier years of the old EC to win repeatedly in my opinion, 4 aggregate rounds got you to a final. Holders went in the next year automatically.

Today it is much tougher to win the CL with the amount of group matches etc, being played. It is very hard for a team to win, never mind repeat as champions.

And as you know money helps but does not guarantee a team winning anything.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 16:52:28
Dailyman

I have to disagree with you there on. If anything the CL should be easier to win now as slip ups in early rounds dont result in being knocked out just a drop of points. Equally the richest clubs such as Utd in Europe have just moved further away from the rest attracting all the best players.

To be honest its only a discussion but at the end of the day the most incriminating piece of evidence is the 2 wins in 22 years and they were bloody lucky.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 16:58:45
mybest

"but his achievements are currently better than anyone else's"

But not in Europe and thats what we are talking about.

Currently as things stand Ferguson has achieved in 22 years with the richest club in the world what Brian Clough achieved with a provincial club such as Forrest in his first 5 years at the City Ground.
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Daillyman,

27/05/2009 16:58:56
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The TV money certainly helps.

Barca have only ever won the competition twice as well.
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common sense voice,

27/05/2009 17:26:08
37 Bosco are you thick mate? under the current format u have the top 3 or 4 from the big nations.. hence you likely have the best teams that season. old format was based on the top team from the year before... sometimes they had slumped by the EC next season..

Big Jock.. he started with a bang but after getting to the 1970 final, they were never going to win it again..

and forget all he biggest club talk... Man U have only started buying real big in the past 3 4 years... corresponding with a near dominance of the competition.. Real, Baraca, Milan have bough the best for 40 years... EC loaded in their direction

come on ye Reds..
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 17:43:10
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2 CL wins in 22 years. Not exactly the stuff of legends is it?
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 17:51:16
I should have said:

2 very jammy CL wins in 22 years. LOL
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 19:19:47
I do find it strange that some of the more demented bears on here alligning themselves with Alex Ferguson. Wasn't he the chap who said some unsavoury things about their club?

Maybe for them its just about his background but for me the football facts speak for themselves.

2 jammy CL wins in 22 years means he has every right to " feel frustrated" at the lack of sustained success at the elite level.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 19:22:22
I do wish that the moderator could design some sort of footie savvy exam to weed out the muppets who just come on with their single agenda.

Not real football fans any of them.

Mr Murray was right, "the enemy within" indeed.
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scottish turk,

champions 27/05/2009 19:46:36
as a rangers man i do not support any other team, but tonight i want sir Alex to win after all why would any one in Britain want a Spanish team to win? beats me.

predictor champion

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Jo Jo,

27/05/2009 20:23:25
And Bosco Bhoy shows his raw bigotry and hatred for all things with a connection to Rangers.

Sad bigot that you are.

Ferguson's record speaks for itself and only a bigot like you would be churlish enough to try and belittle such is your hatred for anyone or anything connected to Rangers however remote.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 20:29:40
Men versus boys.

The mighty Man Utd reduced to aimlessly humping the ball up the pitch.

What a team --ha ha ha
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 20:32:42
Strange that i like thousands in Liverpool , Leeds, Newcastle and many in Manchester are labelled bigots for wanting to see the best footie team win tonight.

I know one fine bear who goes by the name of Invictager who hopes to see Utd beaten tonight for similar reasons to myself.

I wonder is he anti Scottish anti British anti Prod anti govan boy done good ha ha ha
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27/05/2009 20:40:39
68 change of subject now ha ha ha
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 20:41:38
I do wish the vangaurdbears.com meetings wouldnt finish up so early. Later the better.
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Jo Jo,

27/05/2009 20:57:11
Why specifically mention Vanguard.

Worried that the truth is getting out Phil?
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:36:56
By the look of big alex auld red face chewing away its obvious you can take the boy oot of Govan but ye cannae take the Govan ooot of the boy.

LOL
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:39:35
Great night for footballing purists and once agian we really see how good the 'best' league in the world is when its top team chase shadows for most of a CL final.

Messi v Ronaldo
Inestia v Carrick
Eto'o v Rooney

Your guys are overhyped and tonight once again came home to roost.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:51:35
Fair play to Ferguson showing class and honesty (something some of the posters could take a lead from) on Sky right now.

Well done Fergie.

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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:53:02
Seems to be that the muppets on here can do nothing but rabble on about their usual single agenda shoite.

Pity on CL final night but what do we expect eh?

The enemy within
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Tynietiger,

27/05/2009 21:54:41
Gracias Barca, Barca i Catalunya sempre al nostre cor

Everyone who believes in self determination will welcome Barcelona's victory. Both managers have strong political views, Alex Ferguson a loyal labour unionist wheras Pep Guariola is a supporter of Catalan independence. It was a no brainer for me apart from the fact that Barcelona is currently the best team in the world to watch.
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Leatherhead,

R.U.I.N.S. RefsUndueInfluencesNeedsStopped !!!! 27/05/2009 21:56:08
"Walters" Rearrangerz would have beaten Barca tonight.


Had the likes of the Stuart Dougalls been in charge of the whistle,Rearrangerz would have humped Barca.

That will maybe open some Rearrangerz fanz eyes as to just what kind of difference a bent ref makes.
Some Rearrangerz fanz.

Alas..... only some.



Sad.
Isn`t it.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:57:47
How about this stat, in the last 25 years the CL has only been won 3 times by an EPL club.

Wow what a league that must be eh!
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:58:36
Yap yap yap.

Yawn!
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 21:59:46
Looks like the baying crowd just cant stop biting.

Its so easy c'mon boys you know youll keep losing if its footie discussion.
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:00:16
We as Super Celtic supporters know what it is like to support a team which have been EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS Nice to see a like minded team winning to-night.lol!
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:02:04
#95 Sorry, Rankers have never been EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS! but the SUPER CELTIC ! have......lol!
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SPBFB,

27/05/2009 22:04:44
Not long until Scottish Champions Rangers are competign aginst the likes of Barca and Man Utd in next season's Champions League.

Meanwhile Ra Poops will exit Europe in Artmedia fashion.

52 and counting..........
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:08:07
Its not about contesting them fool its about winning them.

ha ha ha

This is so easy.

3 Epl winners in 25 years. Read and weep.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:10:27
97 Dún Aenghus

Yeah you are right about that for sure. At least we at the mighty Celtic have pictures of a club captain lifting the big one.

For some other clubs that is only a fantasy, one that has them almost bankrupt in chasing the 'dream'

LOL
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SPBFB,

27/05/2009 22:11:39
The bitterness emanating from BoscoBhoy86 is so reminiscent of that other hater of all things British, Phil McGillivan.

Rumour has it wee Roisin's been in tears again as apparently she has a soft spot for Man Utd, and her nasty Father forced her to endure tonight's torture.

Still, it's over.......... she can now go home
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:12:41
#99 Linfield? Haaaaa Haaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaa!
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S.W.A.L.L.Y. SirWantawayAbsenteeLandLord !!!! 27/05/2009 22:13:14
#98
correction



"52" and counting.

b..I..G difference.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:13:28
103 Dún Aenghus

These fools are so hate filled its almost tragic that some might be parents.

Anyway great game tonight and it was pure dead briliant to see the best team win.
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Just champion 27/05/2009 22:13:54
Celtic and john o'shea losers bad week for the plastics
Chelsea put up a far better performance than the mancs did..

Mind you Chelsea always put up a performance don't they ....Reminds me see you in london ...
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:15:51
Dún Aenghus

The sky team seem hard to accept what Fergie already has the better team won as they have the more skillful players. The Ferdinands, the Rooneys etc are all way over hyped.
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SPBFB,

27/05/2009 22:17:34
#107 Knucklehead,

It'll soon be 53.

Stand up for the Champions.
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G.G.U.F.F. GerzGafferzUndermineFollowFollowerz ! 27/05/2009 22:17:38
#104 Large Johns Bent

Read post #107.

It is "52".
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london calling,

Just champion 27/05/2009 22:20:02
If only the mancs had a Frank Lampard or a John Terry

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27/05/2009 22:21:44
#111 bosco bhoy.......Aye, it all went wrong for the brits to-night. So confident and full of themselves as usual. Then..........Pump! Pump! and the Catalan Nationalists emulate us as CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE! LOL!
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SPBFB,

27/05/2009 22:22:09
I can't wait for the Champions League draw with the real possibility of another "Battle of Britain"; Rangers, the Champions of Scotland against Manchester United, TheChampions of England.

Meanwhile, Ra Sellick get the chance to revenge their Artmedia embarrassment in the Europa League.

Happy Days!
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london calling,

27/05/2009 22:23:51
Was a night of fun when the cellic came to the bridge..
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27/05/2009 22:25:15
Rearrangerz fanz have for ever been put through the purgatory of not knowing how many League Titles they have won.

They routinely declare and shout loud 52 !!!!

But they know fine well its "52".

"Won" not won.


Such a sad sad state of Rearrangerz affairs.
Isn`t it.
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SPBFB,

Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:26:33
I believe Sir Alex Ferguson is guest of honour at this Saturday's showpiece Cup Final in Scotland.

I'm sure he'll be cheering on his beloved 'Gers to the 'double'.

There's not much better than a Bheast free zone at Hampden!

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SPBFB,

. Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:29:46
One wonders where all the Poops fans will be on Saturday when Champions Rangers take to the field at Hampden to contest the Homecoming Scottish Cup Final.

Maybe they'll go home?
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Just champion 27/05/2009 22:30:29
Cellic supporters coming down Sloane st sing their ditties ...

A wee welcome on every street corner was it not. London came to greet you ..Oh what a night...
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SPBFB,

. Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:39:07
#130. Knucklehead.

We are the Champions!
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SPBFB,

. Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:40:10
When is the draw for the Champions League?
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:41:12
134 YOU WILL NEVER BE CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE!

HOWEVER,WE THE SUPER CELTS HAVE BEEN......Haaaaaaaaaa! Haaaaaaaaaaaa! Haaaaaaaaaaaa!
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london calling,

Just champion 27/05/2009 22:41:48
Seemingly the people of London on a democratic decision
decided that another warm welcome will be afforded to cellic in the summer...

Reminds me of the old number by sweet-blockbuster.

you better beware.................
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SPBFB,

Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:43:11
Let there be no doubt about it, Sir Alex Ferguson is the greatest modern-day football manager.

Although his playing career was very short at Ibrox, it is clear that he was groomed well there.

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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:44:18
MAN UTD and CELTIC.....BOTH FORMER CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE!
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27/05/2009 22:45:29
For me, as a true follower of the beautiful game, i can say that i cant be happier with they way the game went tonight.

Football won.
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. Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:45:40
Who do Ra Poops play on Saturday?

What do you mean their season is over?!

Meanwhile Champions Rangers go marching on..........
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:46:49
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You think the mod would get their act together with regards the trash that ruins this forum for the genuine footie punters.
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27/05/2009 22:47:18
#145 Bosco....Well said!
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SPBFB,

. Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:47:28
The best footballing team won tonight in Rome, just as the best footballing team won in Scotland this season.

Stand up for Rangers the Champions.

52 and counting - we welcome the chase.
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:49:13
#149 BENT JOHN.....MAN UTD and Glasgow Celtic
Both former CHAMPIONS of EUROPE! LOL!
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Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:49:17
#148.

Now you know that's a lie, but I'm pleased that you recognise Rangers' role in Ferguson's success.

Make mine a Double!

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27/05/2009 22:49:25
Big Alex can now work out how to blow it again next year in Europe whilst at the helm of the richest club in the world.

Maybe Man Utd need somebody in charge who can work at the highest level.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:51:34
Oh here we go boys with the fav topics of the deranged

1 child abuse
2 RC schools

Wow in a season when RFC won the league what could possibly motivate these individuals to be so bitter and angry?
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Leatherhead,

F.A.T. A.L. will be FATAL 27/05/2009 22:51:46
#136 Silly Pryk Boozzy Feckin Bazza


FBK Tiddlers Kaunus are in your draw.

But dont worry,"Walters" got them sussed and drapt Boydthebench(pen)again.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:52:28
Racist, bigotted and homophobic well what a surprise eh?
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:54:12
Well I'm off to look at my photographs of the CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE '67 THE great win to-night by that great nationalist Catholic team Barcelona,brought it all back to me! BARCA--CELTIC ----BARCA----CELTIC
JUST HEAVEN....
SEE you slobbering mugs! LOL!
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 22:54:36
Oh its so easy when your dealing with hate filled teenagers whose mammy have let them stay up late.

These kids do need to be careful and get to bed soon for school in the morning,Kwikfit do require a few GCSE's.

LOL
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london calling,

Just champion 27/05/2009 22:55:30
All at Chelsea would like to congratulate

The world record holders 52 and counting

The Rangers football club on an other fantastic

Helicopter sunday...Never mind the titles that were won when their boys went to war which are not counted...

110 trophies what a remarkable achievement

Take a bow boys ...
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27/05/2009 22:55:42
~164.

No need to mention Bheastly Celtic supporters in a thread about Champions League games.

52. You know the rest......
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Dún Aenghus,

27/05/2009 22:56:12
#164 Bosco.....Just ignore the animals,they will go away if you dont feed them....LOL!

SEE you Bosco BHOY!
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27/05/2009 22:56:20
52 titles, child abuse, bobo, kafflik schools you know wit a mean and oh that.

Great keep showing yourself up fools.
LOL
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SPBFB,

Gibraltar - Bang! Bang! Bang! 27/05/2009 22:57:53
#166.

Once again bringing religion and politics into football.

The mark of the Bheast.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 23:00:47
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We can go to sleep the night in the knowledge that we support the mighty Celtic Football Club who like Barca
are more than a club.
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Just a Celtic Fan,

27/05/2009 23:05:33
Gaudiola - One season as a manager and he wins the lot - a clean sweep including the big one.

This must make him the best ever.

Very few managers have won everything they've ever entered since the European competition.

I can only think of the late great Jock Stein and now Pep Gaudiola. Both of these also won the big one by playing the game the beautiful way, the attacking way, the way the real football loving people want to see it.

By comparison, in his first season as a manager Alex Ferguson was sacked by East Stirlingshire. It took him close to 9 years before he even reached a European Final and even then it was the mickey mouse European competition. It was 25 years as a manager before Ferguson won the big one, something Jock Stein won within 7 years of being a manager.

No doubt the greatest British manager was Brian Clough. But he didn't do it over a sustained period because he never had the backing that Ferguson or Paisley had. Had Clough been manager of a top club - he'd have been unsurpassed in management.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

27/05/2009 23:06:52
They certainly do tick all the boxes of right wing fascists.

Anti RC, anti Irish, anti gay, anti any sort of tolerance of difference.....LOL
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Just champion 27/05/2009 23:07:36
Chelsea would like to send our best wishes to

The Rangers in their quest for the double on saturday

You chaps welcome the chase..

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27/05/2009 23:08:20
Well that's it for me, goodnight, no point in staying around to engage with the bigots.

So sad to see them raising their ugly heads yet again.

My letter to the editor of the Scotsman is on it's way. In it will be suggesting credit card details as a requirement to post on here. The bigots must not be allowed any more consideration. Enough is enough.

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Just champion 27/05/2009 23:09:21
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You missed out anti-child abuse from the 1940's
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Iainbroch,

27/05/2009 23:20:19
Of Dear outplayed and just outclassed by Barcelona. After Spains European Chapionship win - just who has the best league in the world. Barcelona had three players who no one in the EPL could touch. Tee Hee Hee!
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Xacobeo Hearts,

Santiago de Compostela, ...and rather Barcatastic 27/05/2009 23:23:57
Yeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Firework frenzy!!!!!

Fantstic, full on party in progress at then moment with all the nasty Puta Madrid fans already having slunk off home.

Whooooooo-hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So glad that I got my prediction at #16 so utterly & completely wrong (well apart from the Barca scoring 2 part)

Never more pleasantly surprised.

Better team by a mile won the match - totally indisputably!

...well the 39 minutes that I saw at least!!!!!

Good to see that Manure were, ...well basically MANURE!!!

...AND Messi even scored with his head, don't think I've EVER seen that before.

Try telling me that Iniesta and Xavi aren't the best players in the world!

Barca

Barca

BAAAARRRRRRCAAA!!!!!!!

[....but we'll still beat you on Sunday (I hope!!!)]

Time for another drink I do believe....
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27/05/2009 23:30:15
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"They certainly do tick all the boxes of right wing fascists".

Would that be right-wing fascists like -
Hitler
Himmler
Goebbells
Mussolini
Franco
Salazar
Pinochet
Gaultieri

Apart from being murderous, sadistic racist bigots, all of the above have something else in common - a copy of Mad Phil's book to the first person who answers correctly - ten copies to everybody else, it's the only way he'll shift it.
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Xacobeo Hearts,

Galiza, mmmmmmm & grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 27/05/2009 23:32:48
Look can all you bigots, of whatever persuasion, not just give it a rest for one night.

Forget your stupid, petty, parochial, little hates for a few hours and celebrate the beauty of football for a couple of hours.

So glad I'm in Spain/Galicia at thr moment and celebrating a footballing victory.

...and NOT being being home in Scotland.

Forza Barca
Forza Pep
Forza Depor y Hearts
FORZA FOOTBALL!!!!!
Eu son un Jambo (& all round footie fan and proud!!!)
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Kirrie_Tim,

28/05/2009 01:34:19
If Ye Cannae/Figgy/davesmith1/Como Toes/Ph*l McG*ll*v*n/educator/Wullie Anderson/Ferians/ adam murray/ShropshireBear/W Anderson/JackJ/HeyPally/Yellow Jim/Stanley/Large John Lent et al

You demonstrably meet a diagnostic criteria of antisocial personality disorder:

"Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure."

You're ill, you need help.
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