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McFadden hailed as Scotland's best



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Published Date: 07 May 2008
JAMES McFadden has received a timely boost ahead of Birmingham City's relegation decider on Sunday by being named the inaugural Scottish Football Writers' Association/Tennents International Player of the Year.
The attacker's performances in Scotland colours over the past season have cemented his cult status, not least the swerving, dipping shot that defeated France in Paris in a Euro 2008 qualifier last September.

That was one of McFadden's three goals for his country since the beginning of the season, having also contributed crucial strikes against Ukraine and Lithuania at Hampden. But the player once termed "my cheeky boy" by Berti Vogts found himself catapulted into Scottish goalscoring folklore alongside the likes of Archie Gemmill and Kenny Dalglish by his strike against France.

McFadden was touched to have received the Player of the Year award, but admitted he would swap it all for Scotland to be taking their place at the Euro 2008 finals this summer.

"It is a massive honour, especially because this is the first time the award has been won," said McFadden. "It is nice to be picked ahead of the rest of the guys but it has been a real team effort.

"I really don't know how big the impact of that goal has been but all I know is that down here (in England] when I meet people they always say nice things about that goal against France. I suppose the recognition has increased but to be honest I did not know the impact that goal was going to have. It probably still hasn't sunk in yet.

"It is nice to get a personal award but I would gladly swap it to be at the Euro 2008 finals. I am sure we will all be reminded how close we came come the summer, when we are stuck watching it on the TV. I try not to look back too much but beating France, the World Cup finalists, in Paris and scoring the winner with a good goal is special."

Scotland were denied even a play-off spot by a last-minute winner for Italy at Hampden in the Scots' final qualifier, which ultimately proved to be Alex McLeish's last match in charge of the national team. Within two weeks, he had taken charge at Birmingham City but was reunited with McFadden in January when he ended the player's frustrating spell at Everton by taking him to St Andrews in a £4.75million deal.

Now the pair find themselves involved in another vital 90 minutes on Sunday, when Birmingham host Blackburn knowing they must record a better result than both Reading and Fulham to avoid relegation from the English Premier League. McFadden is typically matter-of-fact in his assessment as to why the club find themselves staring at the drop.

"It is out of our hands regardless but we need to do our best and hope at least one of them slips up," said McFadden, who has scored four times in ten league appearances for Birmingham.

"It would be the great escape but if we go down we have nobody to blame but ourselves. We got ourselves into this, now we have one game left to get out of it. If we lose we have failed."

Even in the event of relegation to the Coca-Cola Championship, McFadden believes that his international prospects will not be harmed especially if, as he presumes, McLeish continues as Birmingham manager.

"There is a good chance we could go down but I only joined in January and I am in no hurry to leave," said McFadden.

"He (McLeish] will be here regardless and, if we go down, then I know that if I am playing and scoring goals it should not make that much of a difference to my international prospects. The main concern is Sunday and making sure we get the win."

The full article contains 648 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

jerrymanders,

Hacking around? 07/05/2008 00:10:31
PFA's the one to win. We all know that.
2

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 07/05/2008 00:12:19
i repeat..let us comment or close the service..having to find an open thread isnt easy..funnily enough the closed threads were not as bad as in the past..but hey maybe thats me with a chip on my shoulder..no comments on rangers struggles..no comment on the sfa attempts to assist "their" team..no comment on smiths untruths regarding getting no help from the spl and rangers would never ask for an externsion..no comment on the hysterical ranting of the daryll kings and derek johnstones..and no suggestions as to a fair solution to rangers fixture "crisis"..they all would make such good reading x
3

paulmac,

surrey 07/05/2008 00:26:08
Congrats to James McFadden....it's well deserved!

Moving on...Funny I don't remember Minty calling it a laughing stock when their request for the Gretna game to moved....was granted!

His use of the Russian situation as some sort of yard stick in fact does have a similarity.....

The Gretna game was postponed by the SPL when there was still 6 months left in the Scottish season to re-arrange the fixture.....in Russia they have 7 months left in which to re-arrange the fixtures.....not 2 weeks!

Let the panic continue!
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07/05/2008 01:01:16
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07/05/2008 01:10:29
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 02:49:22
This isn't about Rangers needing help to win the Uefa cup. This is Rangers looking for favours to help them try and win the league.
The fixture congestion is unfortunate, but there is no solution to it other than what the SPl has proposed. The alternative is to makes changes which are unfair to other clubs or unacceptable to sponsors and television backers.
Clearly in the future this needs to be sorted out so that there is some plan in place in case of such problems arising, but right now all clubs simply just have to get on with it.
7

FooFoo,

Glasgow 07/05/2008 05:02:26
#5, surely you can't be comparing West Brom's situation with Rangers'?!

If you take the total number of matches completed up to now over the whole season, Rangers have played 61 and West Brom have only played 55 in the same period. I know I shouldn't dignify that with a response, but just couldn't help myself.

That said, Rangers should just get on with it now. As #6 says it is unfortunate but it has been an extraordinary season fixture and postponement wise and one which is unlikely to be repeated for some time.
8

Richardinho,

07/05/2008 05:12:15
Incidentally, I have to laugh at the number of pundits i've heard over the last couple of days saying that 'the SPL needs to sort this out', before admitting 'I don't know what the solution is!'
9

JR,

07/05/2008 08:13:08
The word credibility keeps getting thrown around, and I'm afraid Murray lost his with this recent turn of events. They knew last Thursday evening that they would compete in the UEFA cup final. No approach was made at that point to the SPL. Nothing on Friday. Nothing on Saturday. Approach made Sunday evening following the dropping of 2 pts at Easter Road.

Smith recently said Peter Lawell should be honest and admit that he was acting in Celtic's best interests and acting to seek an advantage for Celtic when refusing to agree to any extensions which would interfere with Celtic's close season plans.

Apply the same honesty Walter (and Murray) in admitting that this latest request has sod all to do with the Uefa final and more to do with buying time to allow them a better chance of winning all 5 remaining SPL games.

10

Hugh Hefner,

07/05/2008 08:49:37
As Paul has told us, the use of the Russian situation as some sort of yardstick is ridiculous. Its like a child unable to see reason. Why nobody in the press deems it neccessary to ask david "Muzz" murray how he can possibly compare both league federations when one is in its infancy and the other (the SPL) is in its final days with anything that happens seriously affecting the financial fortunes of 5 other teams.

If it wasn't the scottish winalot press we were tlaking about here, Id be honestly surprised that nobody had the cahones to ask him or even mention it?

Sad
Isn't it?
11

Hugh Hefner,

07/05/2008 08:51:27
Walter Smith seems to be coming down with the early onset of alzheimers disease. 'Nobody at this club is asking for an extension' he said. Until he then forgot he'd said that and said 'We want an extension because we are getting pumped'...

12

Hibby,

Highlands 07/05/2008 08:52:38
Well said #6,#8,#9. most of the so called fixture pile up follows the EUFA Cup final and as you guys have correctly identified, this farce is all about the mighty Glasgow Rangers trying to get an advantage in their attempt to win the SPL.Murray in particular just shows himself up as the unscrupulous opportunist that he is.Before they embarked on this disingenuous campaign I didn't care who won the league but now I hope it's not them.
13

Hugh Hefner,

07/05/2008 08:54:58
12 - Cant help but agree with you, however, Hibs are still really cr@p!
14

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 08:55:17
Again the wrong forum for this, but I think Rangers should be given some help, they are a Scottish club appearing in a European Final and as such representing Scotland. It would be no hardship to postpone there game against DUndee United and play it afterwards.
I wish Rangers the best of luck in the final from a Scotsmans point of view regardless of team supported.
15

Hibby,

Highlands 07/05/2008 09:06:55
#13. And I must admit that our failure to beat a very ordinary Rangers on Sunday does indicate that we are pretty cr@p.
#14 And do you think that if it were Dundee Utd who were playing in a European final that Murray would be happy to acommodate them if such a switch of date could in any way have a negative impact on Rangers. United, after all are still playing for 3rd place and have good reason not to want their game this weekend put back until after the Scottish Cup final.
But then again they are only a provincial club aren't they?
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Lenny,

07/05/2008 09:18:51
I'm not exactly partial to the ugly sisters of the Old Firm, however I think the SFA, SPL or whoever should bend over backwards to help them here. It is a Scottish Club in a UEFA Cup final and we should be giving the club every chance we can. So what if the Scottish Cup Final or a cpl of League games have to wait for a week or so. We need to look at the bigger picture here.
18

Lenny,

07/05/2008 09:20:55
Oh, and post 16 is exactly why you lot are not even allowed to comment on your own stories.
19

JR,

07/05/2008 09:21:07
14#

I would have thought you more than anyone JJ would have least sympathy with Rangers' plight. Don't you recall Hearts returning from a European tie in 2004 and asking Rangers and the SPL to move the Sat match scheduled between Hearts and Rangers by 24 hrs? Both the SPL and Rangers refused.

What goes around.....
20

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 09:22:29
#17 Well said Lenny, I agree with you 100% and as I said before we are Scotsmen regardless of which team we support and as such should want Rangers to do well.

I think the SFA are frightened to set precedents.

And another thing, it makes a mockery of some Jambo's fans who think that there is a conspiricy and the SFA are always in favour of Rangers or the OF.
21

no fan of the sfa,

07/05/2008 09:23:19
#16 - your one seriously disturbed guy.

Back to the article.......

Mcfadden is worth his award as he was the standout player for the national team. If it wasn't for that crass incompetent fool mccleash then scotland would be there. Loosing to georgia was the worst ever result for the scotland team, winning that would have seen scotland there. Against italy he played 1 up front for 60 minutes while a goal behind, whats worse is that scotland had to win.

I really feel for the brummies.
22

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 09:24:51
#19 Like I said its the SFA Making a precendent I think it should be different for a final than for a normal Euro tie.
23

Hibby,

Highlands 07/05/2008 09:25:03
Lenny, you just seem to discount entirely the effect that you're proposed switches would have on the other clubs involved. None of them want to damage their own prospects and why should they?
24

JR,

07/05/2008 09:35:27
22#
It's nothing to do with the SFA, it's the SPL, and the SFA were happy to assist by allowing the SPL to use the Saturday scheduled for the Cup final to used for league ties. The spl refused. Now, given that they want the last SPL day matches to ko at the same time on the same day, to ensure no unfair advantage is gained, this would have meant all other SPL clubs would be given less than 2 weeks notice that their arrangements were changing. Who compensates all of the fans travelling from afar who have flights booked, hotels booked, coaches arranged? Rangers? The spl?sfa?

Apart from that, why the hell should the other SC cup finalists on the biggest day of their lives, yes another cup final we are talking, have their plans and arrangements scuppered?
25

Lenny,

07/05/2008 09:44:13
# 23

Dude, I'm a Hibee and am completely aware of the affect the switch would have on other teams. However, it is a huge boost for Scottish Football one of our teams getting to the final. I just think we should be helping them out to give them every chance we can. Like what the Russians are doing.

Put it this way if it was Hibs in the this situation I would be feeling pretty peed off too.
26

Yirman,

07/05/2008 09:45:45
Murray, gie’s a break for goodness sake, why should they SPL/SFA help Rangers again..!!

Rangers requested and were granted the game against Gretna be postponed to further their chances in the Champions League and look what a failure that was!! ...so you've already had your favour from the SPL.

Help Scotland..? Is that why 4 (or 5) of Rangers players weren't able to play for Scotland in the recent friendly on a Wednesday because they were injured yet they all turned out for them on the following Saturday...so Rangers let down the SFA so why should they be helpful to you now..?

Rangers are the victims of their own success and their lack of ability to finish games off in the scheduled 90 minutes. So if they cannae finish games off in the allotted span of the season, too bad, so sad.!!

Get on with it for God's sake Murray and chuck yer whingeing!!
27

James,,

07/05/2008 09:45:55
If Scottish football is a laughing stock, it is because Sir Moonbeams has made it so, with his outrageous attempts to engineer a FURTHER fixture extension with the collusion of Peat & Smith at the SFA and his in-house rag, the Daily Record.

He has made himself a laughing stock, having "Walter" tell everyone they did not want an extension, and that they had not and would not ask for one. Then he goes crying to the press when the SPL GIVE them the extension that they neither wanted nor asked for.

Funnily enough, their latest tantrum only came AFTER they dropped points to Hibs on Sunday. Mere coincidence I'm sure.

Most laughable of all, in an exclusive interview with their tame tabloid, given before the story broke, he claimed to have done everything privately.

Where DID the Dignity go?

If Scottish football is a laughing stock, it is because the powers that be have pandered to a spoilt child of a club who equate their own interests with the interests of Scottish football as a whole.
28

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 09:49:34
A quote by Jim Traynor who can never be accused of supporting Rangers.

"The problem with too many in this petty little country is they would have seen a move to give Rangers a free week before their final as the establishment trying to favour the blue half.

Sadly, that's the way it is here and it has been forgotten Celtic were helped to have a free run at this same trophy back in 2003.

Of course, it was a simple matter to accommodate them because there were no problems with fixture pile-ups five years ago.

But despite what their many apologists in the media continue to write and say, the SPL did have options.

In fact, Peat put forward a few yesterday, but the real problem, the only problem, is the SPL themselves and their behaviour has been cowardly.

Gold flexed his muscles just enough to shake his head at every suggestion and his argument that the integrity of the league would have been compromised had he decided to change any dates or allow Rangers to finish their programme a few days after everyone else was always lame."


My own take is that people keep talking about prescedents. There isnt any because this situation has never arisen. By the end of the campaign we will have played more games than ANYONE else in Scottish football history.
I do see the point from other clubs not wanting to be adversley affected but the job of the SPL is to look at the best interests of the Scottish game. A UEFA cup win would be the best thing to happen to Scottish football in 25yrs and would raise it's profile to a new level.
Having said that no perfect solution has been offered and in any case the decision has been made. Time to suck it up and play for the best season in history.

29

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 09:57:35
#16 Tim

You are a disgrace.

Wannabee players? Over history we are FAR more successfull domestically. Sebo,Nisbitt and Malcolm? I give you the fraud that is VoH, Caldwell,your captain McAnus,Donati,Brown. And they are from your current team.

As for your accusations against the Rangers support? Sure we have our bad element as do ALL clubs. Im not goin to sit and label an entire support but remind me why we cant have a league decider? Who has had several security breaches THIS season at their home ground?
And what about that the good "Christian" behaviour involving support for a terrorist organisation?
There are other discracefull elements of Celtcs past that i am not going to go into.

To$$er.
30

GRP,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 09:58:35
Has anyone noticed how many fixtures Middlesborough had before the UEFA cup final a few years ago? Just as congested a programme as Rangers. This is not a first time or a unique situation.
The other clubs & their fans have already been inconvenienced by the rearranged fixtures for May 22nd. Nearly all of us would have preferred the games at the weekend.
To move the games to 28th May would mean other teams waiting over two weeks to play one fixture. That would make it tough for them to keep in shape, keep motivation up. Costs would escalate, holidays be curtailed or re-arranged etc etc. That idea was farcical - where did it come from?..... oh yes, Rangers.
And Rangers continue to say in one breath "we will have to get on with it" - and then whine incessantly about how badly they are being treated.
Congrats to McFadden in his award. Were there one for shallow hyporcrisy David Murray & Walter Smith would be impossible to beat.
31

James,,

07/05/2008 09:59:41
#28,

As a direct result of getting into bed so publicly with Sir Moonbeams, the Daily Record's credibility has been shot to pieces.

They took the exclusive in return for regurgitating Murray's propaganda and nothing Traynor or anyone else at the record says carries any weight any more.

In 2003 Celtic's match against Dundee was BROUGHT FORWARD, so there was no season extension. Celtic sacrificed preparation time for a league match in order to gain preparation time for the UEFA Cup Final. An impartial journalist would realise that.

From this point on, the Daily Record can be seen as nothing more that Murray's Mouthpiece.
32

Royalty,

Zandvoort 07/05/2008 10:06:09
#31

Its 2008, & its 7 days 9 hours & 40 minutes until the Uefa Cup Final kicks off.

Nobody cares about Celtic in 2003, so get over yourself & move on.

Celtic are yesterdays news.



33

James,,

07/05/2008 10:08:25
#31,

Sir Moonbeams obviously cares, he's telling anyone who'll listen about it.

Wait till the end of the season before you write off Champions Celtic.
34

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:09:36
9 JR
Rangers made the request on Friday not Sunday ! Your lies are tae be ignored by any right minded individual !

16 Please don`t take my Alloys Away
You are just a warped individual with a huge inferiority complex that can`t think rationally as you are drowning in hate ! Everyone ignore !

27
You are a serial anti- Rangers thread closer with a huge pro- Celtic agenda and should also be disregarded as you even manage the ridiculous claim that the Daily Record is pro- Rangers thus ending any credibility you may seek !

Funny thing is that you lot have just scored the biggest own goal of the season and Rangers will grow stronger and take all 4 trophies !

Thanks for the kick start ! Cheers Once again Bhoys !
35

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:13:22
33
You are now posting tae yourself ! Go and lie down bhoy !
36

Hibby,

Highlands 07/05/2008 10:24:14
#25 Lenny, If it were Hibs, this debate wouldn't be taking place. It's only because it's one of the bigot brothers that it's an issue. Any other club would not qualify for such sycophantic support from the Daily Retard.
And if Hibs were to be disadvantaged in any way to accommodate Rangers on this one I would also be pretty peed off but not too surprised because as we all know, that's the way it is in Scottish Football
37

JR,

07/05/2008 10:30:57
34#

Wrong. Just have a quick check. The request was made on Sunday. In fact, I'll save you the bother..read below from Monday's Scotsman and note..."yesterday's request". Try again.

"The SPL turned down yesterday's request to postpone Saturday's match at Ibrox against Dundee United, but it is understood that the governing body for the top flight will continue to assess potential options to help the Glasgow side".


38

runrig,

07/05/2008 10:31:45
Just a wee thought.
Had Scotland qualified for Euro 2008.
CFC had qualified for final of euro cup
RFC already in uefa cup final

Who would have sorted out this scenario?
39

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 10:32:50
#37 JR

Other reports stated it was made on Friday.
40

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 10:33:54
I think the whole discussion about fixture congestion is being talked about in the wrong context, it should be a discussion around helping a Scottish teanm to perform at their best in a Euro Final and giving them a chance to prepare well for it, as opposed to a discussion about the SPL/SFA helping Rangers it couls be any team in the SPL so lets get of this Rangers should be or should not be supported in this and think wider and outside the box.
41

Royalty,

Zandvoort 07/05/2008 10:34:37
I get the distinct impression that the Celtic "family"
are feeling the pressure.

Fired up Rangers have everything to play for & its in our own hands.

One slip from Celtic & its over & out.

Rangers are on the brink of a historic quadruple & the Celtic "family" is on the verge of a break up.

Its going to get messy.
42

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 10:34:39
#31 James

"In 2003 Celtic's match against Dundee was BROUGHT FORWARD, so there was no season extension. Celtic sacrificed preparation time for a league match in order to gain preparation time for the UEFA Cup Final. An impartial journalist would realise that."

I do see your point although as i said there cant be a prescedent because this situation has never arisen before.
43

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 10:36:28
#41 Royalty

Yip. Referees everywhere will be preparing to put the crash helmets on and board up their windows.
44

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:36:30
36
Rangers are not being supported by the Day Late Rebel !
They are merely pointing out that the SPL and in particular Lex Gold and Ian Blair are incompetent in many ways and are not up to the job and site the fact that a full card was played at New Year as a mistake along with the ground share at M`well and the Gretna affair. You could go on and mention the pathetic split that gives advantage tae some and disadvantage tae others or how about the 6K min stadia requirements that are changed tae suit some whilst not others.
They should be chased out of Scottish football !!!
45

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:38:37
37
Don`t believe everything you read in the papers ! David Murray states Friday ! Must Try Harder !
46

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:43:00
37
JR
Are you an Aberdeen fan !
47

JR,

07/05/2008 10:46:42
45#

"David Murray states Friday"

Aye right..the same David Murray who according to Wattie 1 week ago "had not and would not be requesting any help from the SPL"







48

James,,

07/05/2008 10:47:15
#34,

"You are a serial anti- Rangers thread closer"

Surely you would support the closing of anti-Rangers threads. Is there such a thing?

"with a huge pro- Celtic agenda"

Are you Gordon Smith?

"and should also be disregarded as you even manage the ridiculous claim that the Daily Record is pro- Rangers thus ending any credibility you may seek !"

You've obviously never read the Record.


49

James,,

07/05/2008 10:52:10
Let's get one thing clear - the Daily Record has sold its soul (if it ever had one) to the devil.

Sir Moonbeams went squealing to them when the SPL rejected his latest season-extension plea, and refused to speak to any other media outlet. In return for the exclusive, the Record agreed to put Murray's spin on the story.

They are henceforth officially as well as unofficially The Daily Ranger, Murray's in-house rag.
50

Kenny Boy,

07/05/2008 10:55:40
I don't think the SPLs decision is about the here and now but also the effect on next season. I don't think Scotland's co-efficient is high enough for the top 2 in the league to qualify straight to the Champion's League group stages. The champions qualify and are guaranteed £10 million. That has to be taken into consideration. If Rangers win the league in this situation all credit to them but there is a competition integrity to be retained.
51

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 07/05/2008 10:55:58
Right enough anti-football doesnt make Scottish Fitba look bad either, does it? Or pulling players out of Scotish Internationals,away and take a f--k tae yirsel Rangers
52

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 10:56:36
To be honest now the decision has been made i would rather just getm on with it and get back to football.

No matter what happens it has been a great season in Europe. Just look at some of the results.

We have beaten the French and German champions as well as drawing with the mighty Barca in the CL. Even in the UEFA cup we have defeated the second best team in Portugal, and three of the biggest teams in their respective leagues in Pana,Bremen and Fiorientina.

Despite their grumbling no tim can take that away from us. We know and they know the main reason for them having a chance in the league is down to us playing a record amount of games. Having said that i will concede their run of late has been very impressive results wise if not performance.
53

Magnet,

07/05/2008 10:57:32
48 & 49
Name one pro Ranger at the Rebel !
54

Lenny,

07/05/2008 10:59:54
# 40 Johnny Jambo

Thats the way I am looking at it too mate. Too many people are letting rivalries get in the way. Any normal day I will want Rangers to get beat, but this is a European Final and I will want them to win just like I did Celtic a few years ago. The authorities should be providing any help they can.
55

James,,

07/05/2008 11:02:08
The SFA, or rather Peat and Smith, come out of this episode with no credit either.

On behalf of one member club, these two have tried to put pressure on the SPL to extend the season, for the benefit of that one club.

They even offered to move the date of the Scottish Cup Final, the SFA's flagship event, for the benefit of Dignity FC.

No consideration for QoS, nor their fans, who have made arrangements for the biggest match in their history. No consideration for the resulting loss of prestige for the Scottish Cup.

Do Peat and Smith even have the authority to move the date on their own? The we have Smith yet again talking about "agendas", his favourite buzz-word. He should be asked for a full explanation of that remark.

These two should resign in shame.
56

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:02:12
54
Faith restored in Scottish Fitba Support ! That is the way it should be viewed ... well said !
57

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:04:48
55
You are a prize plum ! You make claims without substance only tae fuel your anti- Rangers Rantings from last century ! Go and lie down and stop embarrassing your fellow Celtic followers any further !
58

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 11:07:34
#54 Lenny, it is good that we have something that we can both agree and have good debate about, despite our own football loyalties, too many "other" fans are still looking at it from a biased point of view and to be honest, there should be no bias here, Rangers are a Scottish team and we should all want them to win the UEFA Cup, I know Celtic suporters will see it differently but there are some who will want Rangers to win.
59

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 11:09:37
And another thing, I am disapointed that we cannot comment about this on the correct thread, this is a shame for James McFaddens report he has won a very prestigious award and here we all are talking about another story on his thread.
60

Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 11:14:15
Morning All !!

Thought this topic was sorted yesterday. Guess not.

The reality of the situation is no one is coming out of this looking good. It has been a monumental F**k up from the start.

With David Murray, Bain and Wattie saying they did not ask nor want an extension, to Celtic getting involved and saying they are not having one due to sporting integrity. The reality is Rangers wanted one Celtic don't. The reasons don't need explaining or justifying by either side.

The SFA & SPL have shown themselves to be completely incompetent in all aspects of this subject.

In reality if it was possible without having a knock on effect then Rangers should be given a clear week, but it isn't possible therefore the decision has been made. Lets all get on with it. This is a fantastic end to a season, the championship is up for grabs, he who wins all of their games is likely to win the championship, because if only one side win all of their games they will be champs. Rangers probably still marginal favourites but it is all very precarious and could come tumbling down with a dodgy result tonight.

By the Magnet, sorry but I cannot picture you sitting there supporting celtic in a Euro final, I have read too many of your past comments.

61

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 11:17:56
#60 TDD

Good, balanced post mate.

I wouldnt even have us down as favourites any more. Our recent form,plus the effects of an incredibly long and hard season is taking its toll. I think its unlikely that we will win all our games so i reckon we may need you lot to slip up somewhere.
The fact a few players are coming back into contention is a timely boost however.
62

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:18:36
60
What has that got tae dae wae the price a cheese ?
63

Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 11:20:09
#60 yes I agree with you if the decision is made lets accept it and get on with it, every team in the league would be happy to be in Rangers position regardless, and the Scotsman should allow the debate to rage on if they continue to report the situation but they are not and that also adds to the frustration here I think.
I will be supporting Rangers in the Final though.
64

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 11:22:10
#60 TDD

With regards to supporting Celtc Seville? I would lying if i said i wanted you lot to win. Dont get me wrong i will (usually!) give credit where it is due and congratulate decent tic fans but i just cant bring myself to support Celtc!
I didnt cheer for Porto. Never could i for a team that cheated so blatantly and so often.
65

Lenny,

07/05/2008 11:22:45
Johnny Jambo,

Yeah mate, I'd like to think that us Edinburgh fans can at least have a bit of debate. Not seeing eye to eye is what football rivalry is all about. this is a different situation though , where we should look to the good of Scottish football.

Some of the comments from Old Firm fans above show clearly why they are not allowed to comment on their own stories.
66

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:23:40
60
Just because I may not support Celtic in a Euro final does not mean that I would like to see them get nobbled along the way ! Everyone deserves a fair crack o` the whip ! Although you being Celtic minded may not agree ! That`s the difference !
67

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:28:18
65
When you say OF fans can you be more specific and name some posts !
68

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 11:28:42
#65 Lenny

Get off your high horse mate. I frequently read the Hearts/Hibs pages. You lot have nothing to be proud of either.
There is good and bad in both. Unfortunatly its the bad posts that tend to get noticed more.
69

Royalty,

Zandvoort 07/05/2008 11:29:44
#60 has summed it up pretty well.

Im sure any supporter would want their club to be in Rangers shoes right now.

The problems being faced by Rangers are problems all other teams in the SPL would love to have.

Its time to focus on winning our remainig SPL games, enjoying the gathering in Manchester next week & hopefully lift the Uefa Cup.

I just hope the cup is the only thing getting lifted in Manchester next week!
70

Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 11:31:19
66 You comment in post 56 re Lenny in post 54, saying thats the way it should be, I assume you were agreeing that other supporters of Scottish clubs should support any scottish team in a Euro final. Except of course you, who is not included.

Have a read at post 64. That is probably true of just about every Celtic and Rangers supporter that I know.

You have constantly slated posters for being nothing but anti rangers over this and many other affairs while you are no better and continue to issue contradictive posts such as 66 and 56.
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Johnny Jambo,

07/05/2008 11:31:58
#68 I think there are some posters no matter who they support that make a mockery of the whole idea of posting. It just appears that in recent days and weeks the Rangers and Celtic threads have been stopped for one reason or another.
We all like discussion and debate but when it gets personal and bigotted, no matter who it is, it should be stopped.

In addition I think the Scotsman are wrong to stop them on the Rangers and Fixture congestion reports because it spoils the debate on other subjects
72

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:35:15
James
Still waiting for you to name some pro-Rangers at the Daily Record ! Name them or keep schtum !
73

Jealousy,jealousy,

07/05/2008 11:36:57
#71 Johnny

I agree mate. You have shown yourself over the last few days to be a decent poster. The large majority feel the same,unfortunatly a small minority of bams ruin it for everyone else.
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Lenny,

07/05/2008 11:37:07
Jealousy,jealousy

There are one or two idiots that ruin the Hibs/Hearts stories but thats about it. Nothing like that mayhem and hatred that gets spouted whenever there is an Old Firm story. I refer you to post 16....
75

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:41:49
70
Your main flaw is that you assume that I think all supporters of Scottish clubs should support the Scottish team in the final. Not true. I do think that post 40 is correct and and 54 agreed that the SFA or SPL should be helping the team in the final regardless of who they are ! Read back the threads and then you will maybe understand better and stop wrongly accusing people of contradicting themselves !
76

Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 11:51:36
Thats the way I am looking at it too mate. Too many people are letting rivalries get in the way. Any normal day I will want Rangers to get beat, but this is a European Final and I will want them to win just like I did Celtic a few years ago. The authorities should be providing any help they can


Faith restored in Scottish Fitba Support ! That is the way it should be viewed ... well said !

Magnet, I have cut and pasted both posts, the first refers to supporting scottish teams in Euro finals (Simple Answer is Yes)

Your reply speaks for itself, thus my earlier comment re couldn't see you doing it, erg contradiction.

Discussion over.
77

Magnet,

07/05/2008 11:54:49
Yeee ! Haaaaaaaa! Just got news of ticket for the game in the post ! Oh! Manchester is Wonderful !
78

Brother Walfrid,

07/05/2008 12:01:08
I don't think that we should lose sight of the fact that it is not possible to give Rangers any leeway WITHOUT conferring an advantage on them for the spl.

The two are inextricably linked. If it were possible to cut Rangers a bit of slack WITHOUT giving them an advantage in the title race, I'm sure the spl and all other clubs would be much more flexible.

David Murray and everyone at Rangers are perfectly aware of that.

The sfa , Rangers' brothers in arms, are also perfectly aware of that.

However, neither Rangers nor the sfa have acknowledged this fact. It is disingenious of Rangers and the sfa to focuS ATTENTION on their preparation for the final.

That leads me to the conclusion that in truth, Rangers are far more concerned about the spl , and are using the UEFA final as a pretext to give them a helping hand with the league...aided and abetted by the sfa.
79

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:02:35
76
I was agreeing with 54 about post 40 you dumplin ! Stop trying tae see only what you want tae see and maybe you won`t look like such a fool in future !
Read 40 as I put in my last post ! Is this easy enough for you to understand !
80

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:04:31
76
"Discussion over" ... are you female by any chance ?
81

Brother Walfrid,

07/05/2008 12:06:04
George Pleat is a bluenose, and so is Gordon Smith.

When David Murray says 'the world is laughing at us', he is absolutely right.

The footballing world is laughing at all the whinging from the Ibrox camp and the hilarious intervention by the bluenose brigade to try and help them win the spl.
82

Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 12:08:43
79 Then why refer to post 54 in your post not post 40 numpty.

The reality of the situation is you cannot see past the fact that you think rangers are being put upon.

No one has come up with a solution to the fixture lists that would not give one team an advantage over the other therfore the situation as it is should be accepted and not be used as an excuse should Rangers fail in their bid to win either or all of the current competitions.

Get on with enjoying your season,, and if you win the league good luck to you and vice versa for Celtic. As I have said many many times the best team wins the league. Every year!!! That is why it is played over 38 games, not the last few.
83

Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 12:10:20
80 Sexist too!!
84

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:11:25
74 Lenny
81 is another example of what you refer tae as OF fans above in post 65. The common denominator is that they are all from the same side of the OF .... funny that !
85

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:15:19
83 Discussion over
Seriously are you female ? Nothing sexist ... it`s just a term that I am familiar with when a difference of opinion arises with any lady in my life ... past or present ! Nothing at all wrong with Lady posters !
86

Brother Walfrid,

07/05/2008 12:17:22
'Seriously' are you female ?

Watch out girl...he's getting 'serious'. He sounds lonely and desperate.
87

Brother Walfrid,

07/05/2008 12:17:54
Like Rangers' title hopes !
88

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:17:57
Shug Hefner
Is there anything wrong with lady posters and I don`t mean the ones on your office walls.
89

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:21:07
86
Read 77 you comedian ..... hardly lonely and desperate in Manchester wae another 100K bears ! Anyway Brother you are the one that has not had his Nat King !
90

James,,

07/05/2008 12:21:22
#53, #72,

If you seriously think the personal preferences of the football writers drives the editorial policy of any newspaper, you are naive in the extreme.

The Record's stance speaks for itself, regardless of who pens its Rangers propaganda.

Maybe simplistic analysis comes naturally to you.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

07/05/2008 12:22:26
The phrase was meant to be used to end the fact that it was pointless arguing over semantics. However one does get the feeling that Magnet has been put upon by the "women " in his life. Just like he feels his team are being "put upon" The reality is that for once Rangers are not getting their own way, despite their hysterics.

Looking forward to tonights game.

A few Squeaky bums around the blue half of glasgow tonight.
92

Hugh Hefner,

07/05/2008 12:25:16
Does anyone think that Rangers apologist Johnny Jambo is anything other than a bona fide rangers fan?

Thought not!

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Hibby,

Highlands 07/05/2008 12:27:19
#78 BW. You are absolutely spot on with that post.None of those who keep repeating that the SFA/SPL should be helping Rangers seem to acknowledge that other SPL clubs would be disadvantaged by such help Very few would deny that any Scottish Club should be able to expect help from the governing bodies but the BLIND/BIGOTED on here simply refuse to acknowledge that such help is fine AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE INTERESTS OF ANY OTHER CLUB and further changes to the schedules would inevitably help Rangers AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER CLUBS.
94

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:27:19
90
So the powers that be that advocate the politically correct world that we live in are all in fact Rangers fans ! So what you are saying is all only in your imagination and as I said previously you cannot substantiate any of these accusations that are your backbone of propaganda against Rangers ! Once more go lie down Bhoy !
95

Hugh Hefner,

London 07/05/2008 12:29:17
JJ, Celtic are in with a chance of winning the league because they have more points than anyother team in the league. You only took a lead due to our injuries earlier in the season so accept your medicine mate!

On the other subjects, the stance taken by the record and obviously this paper - who, in the leading story give comment but accept none - shows the influence of Murray on his poodle parlour. Jim Traynor only plays the tune that his master requests. We all work for someone, i suppose.

96

Magnet,

07/05/2008 12:30:21
92
Not only that Shug but TDD is in fact a lady poster !
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Hamish 123,

London 07/05/2008 12:31:39
It may have been over 20 years ago, but I don't recall anyone trying to extend the season/move the cup final when Dundee United reached the Scottsch Cup and UEFA finals. They had to play the Scottish Cup Final between the two legs of the UEFU Cup Final, and finished the season playing over 70 games with a tiny squad. And all each player earned was probably about a tenth of what an average Rangers squad player earns now. So quit the bleating. Scottish football is not run f