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Published Date: 03 December 2007
RAYMOND Domenech had been a fierce critic of the seeding system in the days leading up to the Euro 2008 finals draw, so it came as no surprise yesterday when the French coach described being grouped with Italy, the Netherlands and Romania as "madness".
Group C stood out from all the rest when the 16 teams were drawn into four sections for next summer's championship in Austria and Switzerland. The Italians are world champions, France were the World Cup finalists last year, the Netherlands were the t
op seeds for yesterday's proceedings, while stylish Romania came through their qualifying group three points ahead of the Dutch.

"I have to say the way the seedings are worked out is madness," said Domenech after a draw that was about as unkind as he could have feared. "Not to have Italy, as the world champions, in the first pot is crazy. I am not happy. Nothing I wanted has worked out."

UEFA had calculated the seedings on the basis of results in the qualification tournaments for the 2006 World Cup and Euro 2008 and not taken into account performances in the World Cup finals themselves. That meant Domenech's men were among the four bottom seeds and suggested a Group of Death was always likely. Furthermore, the top seeds, for once, did not contain the strongest teams because three of the four spaces were reserved for joint hosts Austria and Switzerland and reigning European champions Greece.

While the French at least have good memories of playing Italy in the European Championship - they beat the Italians in the final of Euro 2000 in the Netherlands and Belgium to win the tournament for the second time - Les Bleus are still smarting from losing to the Azzurri in Berlin at the 2006 World Cup final. Italy also finished above France in the recent qualifying section for Euro 2008 in a group that included Scotland.

"We would love to have avoided the three other teams but now we've got it we'll have to deal with it," continued Domenech, before also lamenting the fact that the Group C fixtures will be played in Switzerland rather than Austria.

The French play Romania in Zurich, the Netherlands in Berne and finish up back in Zurich on 17 June. "I would also preferred to have played in Austria and not Switzerland because we would have been hassled less," explained Domenech."

Former Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier, now France's technical director, was disappointed but bullish. "We'll have to be very good from the first game and it may all come down to the one against Italy," he said. "I think Italy will be eliminated because the Netherlands will be better."

Italy coach Roberto Donadoni, whose side needed a win over Scotland last month to secure their place at Euro 2008, told reporters at Lucerne's Congress and Culture Centre that he was disappointed to be in another tough section.

"We didn't have an easy qualification group and we haven't been lucky here either," he said. "I had a gut feeling on the way here it would turn out like this."

The Netherlands, European champions in 1988, also had bad luck in the draw for the 2006 World Cup finals, where they came through a group featuring Argentina and Serbia & Montenegro. Dutch coach Marco van Basten said: "At the last World Cup we were already in the 'group of death'. I don't know what we're going to call this one. But I think everything went normally and legally in the draw so what can you say?"

Romania's best performance in three previous European Championship appearances was a quarter-final place in 2000. But coach Victor Piturca saw the funny side yesterday. "For us it's a very nice, easy group," he joked.

"I hope it will be an extraordinary experience and why shouldn't we be one of the teams to make it through?"

The draw was not particularly kind to the co-hosts either, with Switzerland facing the Czech Republic, Portugal and Turkey in their group and Austria meeting Croatia, Germany and Poland. Switzerland open the tournament against the Czechs in Basel on 7 June, with the final taking place in Vienna on 29 June.

Holders Greece kick off the defence of their title against Sweden and also face Spain and Russia. Their group is almost a replica of Group A in Portugal in 2004 when Greece, Spain and Russia were drawn together along with Portugal.

After meeting the Czech Republic, Switzerland face Turkey on 11 June in Basel, a game that recalls an ugly incident two years ago when Turkish and Swiss players were involved in a brawl at the end of a World Cup playoff in Istanbul, leading to severe sanctions for both sides.

Switzerland coach Koebi Kuhn said: "I think we will see a fair game with no spectator problems."

What

the coaches say
GR

OUP A

"There is no problem between Switzerland and Turkey [after a mass brawl at the end of a World Cup qualifying play-off in 2005]. Too many people have been fixating on things that should have been long forgotten."

- Koebi Kuhn (Switzerland)

"The last person I embraced before coming here was [Swiss striker] Alex Frei. So there is no problem."

- Fatih Terim (Turkey)

"All the teams have their own qualities. I will only be able to say I'm satisfied if we go through."

- Karel Bruckner (Czech Rep)

"All the coaches in this group are very experienced. I hope it's a fair group. Let's see who can benefit the most from the experience."

- Luis Felipe Scolari (Portugal)

GROUP B
"For me Germany are the clear favourites. We are, of course, the outsiders but there are worse things than being outsiders."

- Josef Hickersberger (Austria)

"This is the most difficult group. Austria are playing at home, Germany are one of the best teams in the world and Poland are here for the first time which is a good motivation."

- Slaven Bilic (Croatia)

"It's a group that's not as difficult as Group C but everyone has to play at a high level to win this championship."

- Joachim Loew (Germany)

"It's a big challenge but I love big challenges and so do my players. It is always good to play against the best, and we will be playing close to Poland."

- Leo Beenhakker (Poland)

GROUP C

"At the last World Cup we were already in the 'group of death'. I don't know what we're going to call this one. I think everything went normally and legally in the draw so what can you say?"

- Marco van Basten (Netherlands)

"We didn't have an easy qualification group and we haven't been lucky here either. I had a gut feeling on the way here it would turn out like this."

- Roberto Donadoni (Italy)

"For us it's a very nice, easy group! Why shouldn't we be one of the teams to make it through to the quarter-finals?"

- Victor Piturca (Romania)

"I don't think we're the happiest four coaches here after the draw and the way it worked out."

- Raymond Domenech (France)

GROUP D

"I won't speculate on who is favourite for the group. For me the important thing is that my players are sound, in order that I can bring them here safely."

- Otto Rehhagel (Greece)

"I think Spain is one of the absolutely best teams in Europe and it's a good thing, I think, that we had the experience of these two matches in qualification."

- Lars Lagerback (Sweden)

"I believe that everything we went through to get here will serve us well. Personally, I think it's a manageable group."

- Luis Aragones (Spain)

"If you read the press, everyone wants us to be in their group, then these three are the luckiest that they have us. But at the end, we'll see. "

- Guus Hiddink (Russia)



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  • Last Updated: 03 December 2007 12:25 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Euro 2008 bid
 
1

Colin P,

03/12/2007 01:38:56

Domenech has got to be the whiniest national team manager ever. Instead of looking at the positives of two recent matches against the Italians, he's moaning about the draw. I wonder how he managed not to mention ballboys....?

2

Sydney Arab,

03/12/2007 02:08:36

What a dick that Domenech is. I personally will be cheering on the Netherlands and Romania in that group :o)

3

Fayneant,

NZ 03/12/2007 02:54:30

Even the French think Domenech is a joke - but he has a point. Italy and France in the same group again?!?! FFS!

4

Hobo Harry,

It's only Kaunas Dorothy 03/12/2007 03:22:51

Ach, he could always go back to his old job as Parker from Thunderbirds...........

5

Fayneant,

NZ 03/12/2007 03:46:03

4 - That's Noel Gallagher.

6

dixon,

03/12/2007 05:04:04

#4. If you are interested,the guy who made Parker can be found every day in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow where he runs a superb puppet collection.He's called John Blundall.Not many people know that.

7

Doubly-negative,

03/12/2007 05:06:25

Domenech? Moaning? Quelle surprise.

And that other *rse Houllier already making predictions that the Dutch will be better than the Italians.

They really are becoming the most dislikeable team in the world, totally disrespectful of their group opponents once again and behaving like spoilt brats when they don't get their own way.

At least Italy, for all their other faults, respect their opponents and get on with the job.

Hope les Blues get stuffed.

8

Media 1,

cape town 03/12/2007 07:33:58

UEFA and FIFA are the real joke.

These two organisations manage to escape criticism all the time. The game is a joke these days because of these two organisations. The rules are farcical, the referees are confused, the players are blatand cheats, (yet FIFA protect them by calling their cheating dives "simulation") racism is not tackled, it is commented on and then a fine is dished out.(Who knows where that money goes)You watch this Euro 2008 tournament. By the time the 3rd game is played, there will be over 30 yellow cards and 5 or 6 red cards handed out. The referees will be branded fools, and FIFA will escape the wrath of the press, even though it was their instructions that led to the referees dispensing so many cards. Then when the media frenzy is at its most critical point in terms of the referees, the second round of games will see FIFA instruct the referees to be less stringent.

Seeding is a joke to begin with...The world rankings is where they should look to find the top 8 sides. What is the point of having world rankings?

After the top 8 have been seeded, it should be a free for all, you get who you get!!

9

jamboforever,

los 03/12/2007 08:13:21

I always thought Domenech was really Freddie from the Dreamers......one for the older readers.

Seriously I do think it strange that clubs who played in the same qualifying group should be drawn together in the final

10

Johnny Jambo,

03/12/2007 08:58:08

Domenech may well be a whinger, but lets be honest, he has a valid point.
Italy in Pot two thats a joke they are World Champions so should be in Pot 1 regardless, Switzerland and Austria in Pot 1, another joke, just because they are hosts does not mean they should be in pot 1. Neither of these two teams will put in any kind of challenge, so Domenech has a fair point I think.

11

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03/12/2007 09:09:25
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12

james 1st,

nz 03/12/2007 09:15:25

france struggled against scotland, they lost twice, perhaps they should have been in the fourth pot.
stop whining domenech and get on eith the job.
there should be no seeds anyway all teamsd should have an equal chance

13

Johnny Jambo,

03/12/2007 09:21:39

#12, no seedings, you talk rubbish, seedings are used in every sport so why should this be any different, every team has an equal chance, in fact more equal because of the seeding, Switzerland are possibly one of the weake teams but they have a chance because of the seedings, if they were not seeded they could have had Holland Italy and France in the same group which eans they would probably have no chance of getting through the group.

14

Jambo-ree,

03/12/2007 09:37:56

#13 - Think you are totally wrong there and I agree with #12 that there should be an open draw with no seedings. Can you imagine the world of athletics with seedings? "Well, Ed Moses, you've done so well in winning every race for three years that we're going to give you a 5 metre start".

Or "Carl Lewis, as you've won again and set a world record in the long jump we're going to move the take-off board half a metre closer for you."

It's no different in football and the seeding is there purely to maintain the elite few in their top positions and to prevent up and coming teams or nations from getting a fair crack at the whip. It's really all about money though as the sponsors wouldn't really like to see a Romania/Sweden final, would they?

All teams should just all be in the one pot together and take who they're given IMO. Anything else just becomes a farce, like this draw.

15

Gerry M,

03/12/2007 10:56:25

8 Media 1

You forgot to mention the hugely lenient treatment shown by UEFA to Glasgow Rangers football club and its followers. They should be two years into a several year ban by now, but instead monobrows are travelling all over Europe making enemies whilst they witness the finest brand of anti-football you are ever likely to see.

16

Riley Hamish,

Edina 03/12/2007 11:15:08

Gerra grip here...........the french have a real point here and are well entitled to moan. The grouping is a total farce..........and anyway, part from the fact that the french have such a rerr team to watch...Scotland tussles apart.......they are unique inasmuch as they seem to be as pleased as the scots over the non-appearance of a certain southern neighbour, whose players were more interested in night-clubbing in the run up to their finl games and whose captain saw fit to fill a different cup onna night club floor in order to show just what it takes to lead that nation's overpaid prima donnas.........at least the french take their preparations seriously !!!!

17

Media 1,

cape town 03/12/2007 11:24:00

Gerry M

Anti football should be the FIFA pay off line...

18

Jealousy,jealousy,

03/12/2007 11:30:55

#15 Gerry M

Anti-football? Is that why the gers have scored 7 goals in 5 CL games compared to Celtic's 5. Havnt even managed a quality goal yet, every single one has been either from a goalkeeping error or deflection.

19

Dons Fan,

03/12/2007 11:40:24

What about Slavan Bilic. Not only did he claim that Croatia's qualifying group was the hardest, he's now saying their group at the euros is the most difficult. What is he smoking?

20

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03/12/2007 12:11:03
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21

Louis Theroux 2nd,

Paris 03/12/2007 12:22:16

20 - Please be careful with your language.

The fault is with the seeding system not taking account of the standings in the World Cup Finals.

I can understand their logic behind it - i.e. you can't compare non Euro teams with Euro teams, but surely you have to add a factor for Euro teams performance in the sudden death rounds of the World Cup.

It would be a shame to see good teams getting knocked out early because they are in tougher groups.

22

AJ of Fife,

03/12/2007 13:13:23

Forget the France/Italy/Holland group, it's Germany/Austria/Croatia vrs Poland group that's the most intriguing.

In a bizarre twist the Axis, powers with their Croatian henchmen are to terrorise little Poland once again.

Auswitz 2008 is certainly going to be interesting.

23

Media 1,

cape town 03/12/2007 14:08:51

Seeding should be changed.

The world rankings are the only way to work out the pots. But after we establish who is in pot 1, based on world rankings..The rest should be a free for all!

24

Malc.F,

france 03/12/2007 15:06:33

Why the anti-French bias?.What about the old alliance?
Ilive in France and yes,Domenech is not popular but the fair minded French were very gracious in defeat against Scotland,so lets celebrate the fact that the awful English are not there. Can you imagine the stink if England were put in a similar group? They would probably get a re-draw.
As for doubly negative's assertion that the Italians are a fairer team,don't make me laugh their anti-football wait for the penalties display in the last World Cup Final soured the name of football.
So it looks like Spain v France in the final.

ALLEZ LES BLEUS.

25

OLD GIN,

FIFE THE KINGDOM 03/12/2007 17:13:27

WELL SAID No 23 media 1. ALL EUROPE INCLUDING CHAMPIONS AND UEFA A DRAW NO SEEDINGS , AND SAME COUNTRIES SEPERATE. ONE POT ONE FOR ALL

26

OLD GIN,

FIFE THE KINGDOM 03/12/2007 17:14:30

SORRY NOT SEPARATE ONE POT 4 ALL

27

Louis Theroux 2nd,

Paris 03/12/2007 17:30:03

Old Gin - can you press the caps lock button the next time you type. BIG TEXT does not make your point any wiser.

28

OLD GIN,

FIFE THE KINGDOM 03/12/2007 20:04:04

LOUIS GO AND CROAK AND HOP OFF TO YOUR POND

29

hairystovies,

glasgow 03/12/2007 21:12:42

Too bad for the French, Italians and Dutch, But at least there is 1 hugely competitive group for the rest of us to watch!

30

Sydney Arab,

03/12/2007 22:47:59

#9 I'm not old enough but I've seen him on the telly. I wonder if Domenech can do that wee bandy leg dance as well :o)

31

Bright Spark,

20/07/2009 15:25:45
Pretty crazy really. The seedings need to be looked at sometime soon.

 

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