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Criticism of referees is undermining recruitment drive, says Peat



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Published Date: 02 December 2008
GEORGE Peat, the SFA president, has accused Scottish managers of using criticism of referees as a device to cover up their own shortcomings.
This season has seen an almost weekly barrage of complaints directed at match officials by managers in reaction to a series of controversial decisions. According to Peat, the trend is threatening current SFA attempts to enlist new referees.

While
he sympathises with the level of demands placed on managers in the modern game, especially those in charge of Celtic or Rangers, Peat condemned what he sees as their deliberate attempts to make scapegoats of the officials. "A lot of managers criticise referees to deflect attention from their team's deficiencies," said Peat.

"Kids thinking of taking it up will see some of this criticism and think 'that's not for me'. There is a recruitment drive on just now and we just have to hope not too many of them are put off.

"Managers are always under pressure, but with the Old Firm managers are under severe pressure if they lose just a couple of games. They are under more pressure than anyone else. Referees are under more pressure because more games are televised now.

"When you listen to some of the pundits, they watch an incident three or four times and still can't make their mind up about it. Yet they expect referees to do it within seconds. At times the criticism is over the top. People in the game realise how hard a job it is. Unfortunately, some people don't."

Peat, however, would like to see referees resume providing public explanations of controversial decisions. The practice was briefly introduced on the 'whistleblower' section of the SFA's official website, but the referees decided to call a halt as they felt it consistently painted them as incompetent.

"I think it's a good thing for referees to explain themselves, although not immediately after a match," said Peat. "I think it is perfectly feasible for them to do it on the Monday after a Saturday match, for example, and I think they should explain some of their decisions. It is something we are looking at all the time."

The SFA, however, has removed another layer of transparency from the way in which its disciplinary system operates. At the behest of Hibs chairman Rod Petrie, who heads the general purposes committee, there will be no public disclosure of players or managers being called before them in advance of their cases being heard.

Rob Shorthouse, the SFA head's of communications, confirmed: "The committee, under the chairmanship of Rod, felt that in order to give people the chance of natural justice, the first people who should be discussing the goings-on of the committee are the members of the committee and the people whose comments are being looked at."







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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2008 11:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 00:32:36
"Managers are always under pressure, but with the old firm managers ...They are under more pressure than anyone else."

Sympathy vote for "walter" anyone ? Don't remember George Pleat taking the same approach when Craig Levein - speaking with overwhelming justification - launched what was a nuclear strike at the disgraceful conduct of mcarpark.

Nope...Pleat had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from microphones as he bellowed an accusation that Levein's behaviour was "criminal" to anyone who'd listen.

"Walter", with no justification whatsoever, tries to smear Tom Murphy with the same accusation, and Pleat is sobbing to the press about how much pressure managers are under , PARTICULARLY old firm managers.

Quite a contrast in approach ...startling in fact.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

02/12/2008 00:51:37
I listened to 'Paper Talk' on Radio Scotland last night, and the panel of journalists on were almost unanimous in admitting that they give Gordon Strachan a much harder time than they do Walter Smith. Yet whenever any Celtic fan has suggested this quite self evident truth, they have been automatically labeled as 'paranoid'.
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Fayneant,

NZ 02/12/2008 02:51:02
2 - On similar debates on BBC Radio Scotland it has been repeated a number of times by various pundits that the overall standard of refereeing has dropped this season. It may be easy for managers to pick on officials when they drop points, but the refs and linesmen are not helping themselves.

What's the answer?

More money for refs? That approach doesn't appear to be helping so far

Video replays for big matches? Some validity in this approach, but it does slow the game down.

More respect for referees? I'm a long time believer that football refs should be afforded the same level of courtesy as rugby union refs get - and I do believe it would encourage better behaviour from fans, a better quality of candidate for refereeing positions and ultimately a better level of rapport betwene refs and players where refs can openly admit mistakes.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 02/12/2008 04:25:20
#1 - Well said.

Look up "imbecile" in the Concise Oxford and there's a picture of George Peat.

Who the **** is George Peat anyway? My guess is a complete nobody who is under his wife's thumb, spends much of his time wearing an apron and doing the vacuuming, and his wee hobby at the S.F.A. offices is his only chance to be the "big man" that he wishes he was.

As an aside - and this is not an anti-OF comment (for a change) - don't try and tell me that other managers in the SPL are under less pressure than WGS or "Walter". Different pressure, maybe, but not less. Most managers have the pressure of operating on a shoestring budget, scouring the bargain basement for squad players, knowing they're never going to win anything, but knowing that a few losses in a row will see them out on their ear, with enough money put aside to keep them going for 6 months, if they're lucky. Hearts' manager doesn't even know if he, or his players, are getting paid next week, FFS!

Peat - you are a tube of the highest order. A complete nobody. A legend in your own mind. The sooner you **** off back to whichever Sunday league team you came from, the better for everybody.

Everybody, that is, apart from the poor b******s in the Sunday league team who were glad to see the back of you when they offloaded you to the S.F.A.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 02/12/2008 04:32:46
#5

In some ways I agree with you about the rugby analogy.

The difference in my mind is that even if players are told they have no choice but to respect rugby referees, those referees generally earn the respect of the players regardless, even if they don't need to.

Contrast that with too many (but not all) football referees.

Can you imagine the S.F.A. trying to bring in a system where Craig Levein was told "Have the utmost of respect for McCurry - or else!"?

Read Jim McLean's column on refereeing incest in the Daily Rearrangerz from about a year or so ago. Unless a referee is from the Glasgow area, he has almost zero chance of making it, because the people he has to "impress" to make it to the top level are all "Glasgow-minded". While the current set-up exists, with Peat and his blazered cronies running the show, nothing much will change for the better.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

02/12/2008 07:37:44
As journalists admit in unguarded moments that they favour rangers over Celtic, it's not surprising the attitude they adopt towards referees. When rangers get decisions against them, the headlines scream 'refereeing crisis'. When decisions go for rangers, such as numerous players escaping red cards on Saturday, there is suddenly no talk of any refereeing crisis.
We really don't have it so bad with refs in this country these days. We have yet to have any incidents such as that of the 'phantom goal' down in England.
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 02/12/2008 08:52:50
If George Peat spent as much time and energy getting the referees and assistant referees to do their job properly as he does criticising football managers then the quality of refereeing in Scotland wouldn't be under so much scrutiny. It's easy to pass the blame onto others and accuse managers of trying to deflect attention from their own "shortcomings" but when you see wrong decisions being made on a weekly basis then that tells you something is blatantly wrong.
Get your own house in order first George before you start criticising others to cover your (and your organisations) OWN shortcomings.
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James,

Dundee 02/12/2008 09:20:03
Bottom line is that the Refs have been hung out to dry by the Blazers at FIFA/UEFA and the tiny wee SFA.

The inverted snobbery, which prevents the introduction of technology, which exists in almosy every other professional sport to help the Men in Flourescent Yellow/Black, is quite breathtaking.


The excuses such as interrupting the flow of the game dont wash. The prolonged protests by players and coaches at perceived injustice already do this!!!

Sort it out and the discipilne of players and managers
will improve.

Technology has 'outed' refs like McCurry, and Levein not being of the 'GlASGOW' MINDSET has been proved rich - he wont go away!!
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Gerry M,

02/12/2008 09:32:34
The standard of refereeing may be an issue but over 100 years of Rangers bias is more so but scandalously ignored.
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arthurscross,

02/12/2008 09:35:47
As a Manager or someone in a professional position the use of upto date technology is invaluable and saves time.
Referees etc do not want technology to assist them because they believe they have the right to call wrong decisions. Technology would not waste time.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 10:12:31
James....

Please pass our thanks to Father Ignatius.....last week was a stroke of genius to contruct a 2-1 defeat for the death star and create controversial debate in allowing the elbows 11 to get away with murder....

He is a man of many talents....

He does however need to work on weee Davie Somers...who seemed to forget we expect at least 2 ropey decisions in a game.....and we got zilch....it's just not on!

PS. Where did you get the figures from?
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 10:16:59
In the bygone days of yore, referees were rather eccentric fellows who enjoyed the banter & usualy had the respect of players & managers.

They appeared to be almost human like.

Fast forward to the present & referees are now automitons who talk in Police language.

I think the SFA must look to Europe (Holland) and hire decent referees who still retain the "human touch".


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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 10:26:14
Holland?.....why Holland?

Their refs are as good at making awful decisions as the rest!
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Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 10:41:48
James

When you say "they have assets of £158m..", you do mean the rearrangerz ?
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 10:50:00
#14 Why ? Because the referees in the Eridivise are not..ahem..."celtic minded" as appears to be the case in Scotland.

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Royalist,

02/12/2008 11:02:31
James & Helter aka the financial whizz kids of the Scotchman threads.

Or are they just a pair of boring old bankers?

Anyone actually reading that stuff?

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Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 11:02:33
OMG.

Oh deary, deary me.

James, no need to reply, I have just tracked the information down, and I am genuinely staggered...lordy the laptoployalists have been keeping this one dark.

MIH debts for the year end Jan 07 stood at £677m ....and the figures recently released for the year end Jan 08 show that their debts increased to £759m during that 12 month period.

That was an increase of £82m over 12 months BEFORE the credit crunch really started to bite and oil prices were still 'normal'.

Has Minty done to MIH what he did to the rearrangerz only on a far, far larger scale ?

The market conditions are much , much worse than they were between Jan 07 and Jan 08, and if they were losing money hand over fist then, what now ?

If these figures are accurate, this is the doomsday scenario for rearrangerz and there is absolutely no doubt about it.
I don't see how MIH can survive with this level of debt (which will be substantially higher by now) as we stand on the edge of a world recession.

Until Jan of last year, they were managing to service the debt by the skin of their teeth, but as the debt figure is rising at staggering pace and trade is falling, they must be right on the edge.

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Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 11:09:27
Minty's recent, somewhat uncharacteristic, bad tempered outbursts are beginning to make a lot of sense.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 11:13:59
James....the figures do not yet appear on the MIH website?
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 11:15:54
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 11:16:55
James....I do all my banking with Lloyds TSB...they are the most conservative bank you will find....

And yer right....they will look to resolve the situation PDQ...based on the figures you've presented.
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Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 11:17:52
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James, the stick out fact is that in the year Jan 07 - Jan 08, MIH increased their debt by more than double the interest due on existing debt (£39m per year at that time)

A clear case of borrowing from peter to pay paul.
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Helter Skelter,

02/12/2008 11:19:17
But I should add they're borrowing twice as much from peter as they're due to give paul.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 11:23:18
17...Not at all....they are just as mistaken ridden as any others....

It's like takin a comb aff a bald man....only to it give it to another bald man....

Pointless...which also describes Rangers weekend.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 11:24:40
Lets not laugh at this lads.....

WE OWN RANGERS!
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 14:53:06
Lies & propoganda from the hoopyloop puppets of Liewell & Co.

If the write this pap enough times they actually believe its true.

Charlie says CFC fans are being spun a line by Lieswell
& we can see the evidence on these threads.

I pity these poor souls.

The know not what they do.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:12:54
James....

Apparently the Hutton transfer money was to be paid by Spurs over.....wait for it 29 months? the payments are due to finish around May 2010...

So there was no real immediate cash injection from the sale...once you deduct the £1m given to Hutton then Rangers are looking at receiving £275k a month less tax etc...
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:21:46
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Fraid not Royzer....things do look rather gloomy regards the finances....

I honestly believe there will be a group or an individual that will buy Rangers....but only when it's all gone pear shaped....and they can be bought for next to nowt!
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 15:26:00
Scotlands premier club is Glasgow Rangers.

Always was, always will be.

Thats what realy bites at the the hoopyloop puppets of Liewell & Co.

Rangers were established before CFC & have won more trophies over the decades.

CFC hang on to Rangers coat tales with a large chip on the shoulder (make that a boulder).

Secretly, the hoopyloop puppets of Liewell & Co wish they were Rangers supporters.

Its *enis envy, football style.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:26:53
That £5m profit James....was that operating profit...or just profit?

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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:30:34
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And yer still in a hole that's getting bigger by the day....

If you love your club so much....then maybe you need to think more about the hole that's getting bigger!
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 15:40:41
the hoopyloop puppets of Liewell & Co should listen to knowledgable ex-celts like Charlie Nick & Davy P.

They are the only ones big enough to speak there mind about the state of affairs at CFC.

You wont see them on Celtic TV's daily huddle.

Something to do with not towing the party line.

CFC - getting more like old labour every day.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:45:11
The bank manager:

"Ahem....you appear to be in debt to our bank to the tune of £759m"

Sid:

"Rangers were established before CFC"

The bank Manager:

"I see....and when do you think you can substantially reduce this debt?"

Sid:

"Rangers have won more trophies over the decades"

The bank manager:

"mmmmmmmm.....I get the feeling your skint...but you just don't want to admit it"

Sid:

"we got tae the Yufa cup final last year"

The bank manager:

"Make sure the door doesn't hit the back of yer heid on the way out"

Sid:

"dis that mean everythin's ok?"

The Bank manager:

"are you still here?"

Sid:

"cheers fur that....now can we discuss a wee loan?"

The bank manager:

"security!"


You see Royzer....the hole doesn't get any smaller no matter what you've won or how long you've been around to win it!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:48:23
James....

January is mid season and not the best time to pick up the best players.....more of a make do and cover for injuries scenario...

Who they can shift and for how much will be interesting to watch!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:50:07
41

And what is the party line?
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 15:57:59
#44

the party line is.."its all about the brand".

Liwell buys Mizuno because "he'll be good for the brand".

No matter if he never plays an actual match then eh?

Join in with me chaps...altogether now...

"Oh koki koki koki oh koki koki koki oh koki koki koki
the brands what its all about hey!"

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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 15:58:11
39

The complex nature of how various companies are connected does raise the question......why?

There was a detailed report back in 2004....by a Rangers fan who was an accountant that looked into the financial background to Rangers debt at the time....which commented on how complex and difficult it was to find out exactly what Debt Rangers had due to the pyramid of companies that were involved...

It also highlighted how difficult it might be for Rangers to be sold under such a structure....due to the difficulties in knowing what their actual debt was...
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 16:06:58
#47

No such problems examining the CFC financial background.

A simple stroll through Paddys Market & The Barras will suffice.

Shoddy goods abound - Mizuno, McCourt, Baldi, Caldwell,McManus, Loovens, Borat, Maloney, Samaras etc

Any offers accepted.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:24:41
James interesting point.....the 2 clubs in a season rule wipes out...

Mendes
Bagette
Velicka

That leaves....

Sponge Bob Charlie Adam....free transfer
Edu........................free transfer
Beasley....................£500k
Whittaker..................£250k at a push
The Camel..................£300k
Weir and Dailly............past it...finished
Laffatme...................£500k at asqueeze...
Naismith..Webster..Smith.....all injured...

ANy body else James?
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 16:25:53
#50

When you are the big club in a small country, like Ajax in Holland or Rangers in Scotland, everyone raises their game against you.

Its a simple fact of life.

Rangers & Ajax will overcome these obsticles & come out on top when it matters - the end of the season.

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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:26:08
Hing oan.....

Hemdani....remember him....free transfer
Papac........£1m
McCulloch....couldn't give him away!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:32:06
49

Celtic figures....straight forward....easy to read and digest...

Unlike the book...within a book....that's within a book...which is how Sid appears to have set it up!
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Royalist,

02/12/2008 16:32:46
first they said nothing less than the last 8 will do.

then they said the last 16 would suffice.

then they said the uefa cup would be fine.

I'm afraid its the Glasgow Cup now bhoys...if yer lucky!!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:35:14
and another....

Alexander....buy anyother player get him free offer..
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:36:03
Oooops almost forgot.....weee Snatchie....free transfer for him and his teeth!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 02/12/2008 16:37:08
56

Our u19 won that earlier this season....
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02/12/2008 17:47:54


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