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Hearts 0-0 Falkirk: Season falls flat for lifeless Hearts as Falkirk tighten grip on top six



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Published Date: 24 March 2008
Home side's inability to be properly motivated proves costly as golden chance is squandered
HEARTS played this game listlessly, as if it were the end of the season. Given the result, it very probably was, at least for them.

This draw and Aberdeen's against St Mirren mean nothing has changed in terms of points difference among the three c
ontenders for the last place in the top six, but the significant alteration, of course, is that there are now only two games to play. Falkirk's three-point advantage may yet be wiped out if Aberdeen beat them in the last game before the split, but they still have a significantly superior goal difference and so are favourites to finish in the upper half of the SPL. Saturday was Hearts' chance to alter that situation in their favour, but, after a lightly sparkling opening, the occasion soon fell flat.

This was not quite a return to the poor form of December from Stephen Frail's team, but given the match was tantamount to a cup-tie for them, their lack of drive was surprising. Nerves, rather than apathy, may have been the cause of that, but the squad's inability to become properly motivated is still a persistent concern.

Tynecastle sources continue to suggest that the over-long pre-season training under the heavy hand of their former coach, Eduard Malofeev, has been the primary cause of their ills, but the excuse collapses under the mildest of interrogations. The veteran's barking sessions surely contributed to Hearts' shambolic start in the league, but by early autumn they were playing with pattern and purpose. The resounding 4-2 home wins over both Rangers and Falkirk, for instance, would surely not have happened had Malofeev's methods been as chronically maleficent as has been alleged.

In other words, something rotten remains – something which Frail has been unable to eradicate. Hearts have lost a good few quality players over the past couple of years, but they still have a lot of talented players in their squad, and man for man look stronger than Falkirk. As a team, however, they do not.

John Hughes' side work hard, play decent football, and know how to stick to a game plan when it is working well. Here, for example, they closed Hearts down on the flanks by playing five across the back, and in the middle blunted the home team's attacks with some resolute defending.

But, while those tactics were sensible and posed Hearts a problem, they were hardly revolutionary, and should not have been enough to claim a valuable point. What do you do when you are being closed down by your opponents? If you have it, you use your superior skill to find a way through, and in players such as Laryea Kingston, Michael Stewart and Ruben Palazuelos, Hearts have that skill. But, with Kingston short of match fitness in his first club match since the Africa Cup of Nations, and Stewart off-form and given to futile displays of frustration, there was only so much Palazuelos could do. Home hopes were not helped by an early injury which forced Deividas Cesnauskis off. He was replaced by Audrius Ksanavicius, who had possibly his worst game since joining the club, and appeared to lose possession more often than he succeeded in passing to a team-mate.

Up front, Calum Elliot's hapless afternoon was epitomised by a second-half shot from a reasonably central position which went out of play for a throw-in.

Frail argued afterwards that Andrius Velicka, the top scorer who was sold to Viking Stavanger, would not have fared any better given the lack of chances created, but the striker at least presented more of a threat to defences when on the ball. Selling Velicka – to Norway from Kaunas, as he was only on loan to Hearts – may have made economic sense to Vladimir Romanov, who has a controlling influence in both the Edinburgh and Lithuanian clubs. But no-one at Hearts has simply stated that Velicka went for more money than the club would gain if they made it into the top six; in fact, no-one at Hearts has said anything to suggest they know what is going on inside Romanov's head.

Elliot at least had a shot on target during the bright start to the game, but it was blocked by Darren Barr, and in any case, passing left to Kingston would have been a better option than shooting. Saulius Mikoliunas was also denied early on when Robert Olejnik rushed out of his box – the goalkeeper had the home support appealing for handball when the winger's shot came off him.

And that was it from Hearts, who failed to muster another proper scoring chance in the remaining 70 minutes. Falkirk were also slow in coming forward, and Steve Banks hardly had a direct save to make, but that did not matter so much to them. Getting the point did, and they deservedly achieved that objective.

• Falkirk midfielder Patrick Cregg says he wants to stay with the club and is close to agreeing a new deal. There was a big gap at first between what the 22-year-old Dubliner was looking for and what was offered, but the parties are now closer to reaching an agreement, with manager John Hughes keen to keep the player. "I want to stay at Falkirk, so hopefully I'll sign," said Cregg.

Man of the match
Darren Barr (Falkirk)

The centre-back was at the heart of an assured performance by the Falkirk defence, calmly dealing with everything which came his way – whether it was on the ground or in the air. As John Hughes said, Falkirk's defence began from the front, but Barr was nonetheless the crucial marshalling influence.




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1

bring them on,

24/03/2008 01:43:07
Always the new stand to look forward to
2

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/03/2008 03:29:50
#1 New stand's a bit away. Personally I'm looking forward to a new striker or two to compliment the cut-down squad, the new boss (hopefully the media's assumption that it's McGhee are true) and a better season than this which won't be difficult.
3

GOA-JAMBO,

Back Hame 24/03/2008 05:37:50
#2 New stand will go ahead, as for the manager hope your right as I do not want levein back, he has stated he wants to go back to england, he also said it was a good idea to go to Murrayfield when chris robinson was there so yes bring in Mcgee or Billy Davies.
4

hibbie,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 06:27:24
Davis you might get but wouldn't bet on it, McGhee no chance, in fact I would be very surprised if any UK manager would take on that poisoned chalice of a job.
5

kiwidoug,

22 In A row 24/03/2008 07:04:53
The only disappointment for me is that close to 17,000 turned up to watch. Also, I suppose, I am disappointed that Falkirk didn't win.

Romanov does not deserve any support or any decent results. He had commenced the decimation process even before the 4-0 thrashing dealt out to the cabbages. It was already clear that Skacel and Webster were on the way out and Burley, Foulkes etc were already long gone.

That decimation has continued at pace under a wall of silence from the so-called management.

Where is the puppet Chairman? Where is the majority shareholder? Where is the new manager? Where is the new stand? Where are the new signings?

We are simultaneously a joke and a disgrace.
6

Yamfudkas,

Cammo 24/03/2008 07:11:06
#5, there was no way there was near 17,000 at the game on Saturday. I'm an ST holder in the Wheatfield and there were plenty empty seats around me - other ST holders who have had enough. My guess - and it pains me to say so - is that there will be plenty more empty seats next year unless VR gets the proverbial finger oot and lets our proud club achieve its potential.
7

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/03/2008 07:23:55
It may not have been a full house but it was very,very close to it.
Alas, once more we had to sit and endure another serving of mediocrity. Some Hearts players swan'd about as if it was meaningless fixture, and no one on the park took it upon themselves to drive people on.
Bathgate alludes to the possibility that somethings might still be "wrong" in the camp...well! he's right there, our "manager" and a good few too many of the players are what's "wrong".
Perhaps the cold added to the malady, but this game was responsible for numbing my mind so much, I actually got into long conversations with folk around me during it.
8

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 07:42:19
5

My sentiments too.

No self respecting manager or player will come to Tynecastle while this farce continues.

The absent owner.
The empty promises.
The hidden agenda.

What are the fans groups saying?
9

Broomageboy,

Falkirk via Kazakhstan 24/03/2008 08:24:38
#1 is that the third stand at Falkirk you're talking about ?
#2 & 3 why would any manager with a half decent job come to you at the moment, you guys cover the down side yourselves. Billy Davies ? can't see it, never really rated him, and as long as mad Vlad is in charge I can't really see anyone turning you around so #8 aye your right son.
#5 Sorry to agree but aye you are simultaneously a joke and a disgrace but don't feel too badly about it you're not the first, or the last I'll wager, support to be taken in by an incoming chairman's bluster and lies.
Anyway, I'm shocked to have agree'd with all of your points lads, agreeing with Jambos isn't commonplace with me but look on the bright side oh sorry there isn't one for you !
10

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 24/03/2008 08:42:55
9*

We don't need you to slag our team off. You have one above average season for once. WE know our team is rubbish, but rubbish by our standards. I don't think you were any better. The truth is neither team deserved a point.

As for a new manager if Vlad is serious about a new manager then I am sure there a a few managers would be happy to double their wages.

FRail needs help, he is in a state of delusion, if we don't have any youngsters that can do better than what was served on Saturday the things are worse than bad. To many below average players chosen every week. If Tall is fit so why not him instead of Zaliukus. Why no Screpis in from the beginning Chesney and Miko have f(r)ailed continually to produce the goods. We have to wonder if he has full control of the team or is suggested he doesn't have a clue. No wonder we have Neilson and co asking for him to be kept on. What other team would play them. I think Vlad was deluded into thinking his Liths are the best players in the world.
11

Russ,

24/03/2008 08:48:32
There was nowhere near 17k in attendance on Saturday (remember season tickets are counted amongst the attendance in grounds whether the holders turn up or not) Looking over to the Wheatfield, there seemed to be numerous empty spaces of two or three seats together. I can hardly blame them to be honest.

I honestly don't have the energy to start disecting the game itself, I wouldn't know where to start... (possibly by booting Michael Stewart up his rear).

12

viator,

Crail -sur-mer. 24/03/2008 08:49:43
Some of us are suitably motivated to take a day out to travel 3 hrs each way by public transport in the faint hope that our efforts are mirrored on the pitch and dugout.....some hope.Toothless and apathetic, professional players should use their "nerves"as a tool to motivate.One less £450 winging its way to Ukio Bankas next season from me.
13

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 09:17:17
#12. Elliot giving away a throw in when going for goal, sums him up really. Had blanked that one.

#7. You are just describing the symptoms of what's wrong but don't mention the cause??? All these stem from Romanov.
14

Honest Truth,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 09:41:00
Sorry to change the subject, but does anyone have the access code for Fantasy Golf game from the Scotsman newspaper?
I cant get out to buy one today?
15

victorian,

24/03/2008 09:53:06
from the article...

"Falkirk's three-point advantage may yet be wiped out if Aberdeen beat them in the last game before the split, but they still have a significantly superior goal difference and so are favourites to finish in the upper half of the SPL."

they have a significantly better GD over aberdeen (9) but it's only 4 over hearts.

if hearts can win their 2 games and falkirk win and lose theirs, it's going to be mighty close in GD.

right now it's odds against hearts getting it but if hearts were to win their 2 games, i would say it's even money.

it's not over yet.

16

Phil C,

24/03/2008 10:03:51
#15 Victoria

'Hearts' and 'win' in the same sentence!! That should only be in a sentence like "The Hearts fan chucked up through the window"!
17

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 24/03/2008 10:09:26
#15
Hearts have to play Dundee Utd before the split, given their head to head record against them I would think it's highly unlikely that Hearts would win.
It's sounding a bit Like Frail "we can win the next five games"
18

LionheartFodithman,

24/03/2008 10:12:03
#15 Vi
Morning m8.
VI the eternal optimist.Dont no whether to commend you or send you off to Biley,s padded cell for elevensies.
I cant even see us scoring a goal never mind winning two out of two m8.
Hope iam wrong though.

I have lost confidence in the team and the management and if we finish in the bottom seven it will definetly be because we deserve it.AND THE MRS WANTS TO GO SHOPPING.
Iam losing it !!!!!!!!
19

moon glorious 1874,

herts 24/03/2008 10:12:12
victor, you are clutching at straws a wee bit,but if there is still a chance i`m in. why when the goals are so rare do they no give makela a game,was he burleys signing? or is vlad going to use this season to show the big improvement next season?
20

victorian,

24/03/2008 10:12:36
#16, well 5 wins, 2 draws & 2 old firm loses from the last 9 says different.

#17, the day hearts go into a home match vs dundee united thinking they can't win is the day i cease to be a hearts fan.

21

victorian,

24/03/2008 10:18:07
#19 LF & #20 MG1874,

maybe it could be misplaced optimism, mahybe not. if it's there to be played for then that's what they have to do. even if we end up in the bottom 6, i would want them to finish 7th.

if beating dundee united means doing hibs a favour, so be it. i'm not interested in hibs.

22

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 10:22:31
#15 Sorry Vic, where are the goals coming from.
Its a pity this season, we have to hope the downward spiral is coming to its bottom most point, but who knows.
I have sympathy for some of them at Hearts at the moment, they aren't the right people, but time being there isn't a lot we can do about it.
A proud record of being the only side outwith the OF to be perennial top 6 side is coming to an end, but the chaos in the first part of the season is to blame in the main, the sale of Velicka has sealed our fate.
23

victorian,

24/03/2008 10:27:56
#23 chas, it only takes 1 goal to win a game if you don't lose any. nade may be back soon. it can be done.

24

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 24/03/2008 10:29:23
#21
Beaten 3 -1 at home and lost 4 -1 away, that was in the days Hearts had a goalscorer.
I would get down to the bookies if you think hearts can beat them this time
25

It's me!,

24/03/2008 10:32:04
Billy Davis would take the job because he is unemployed and needs the money, just like everyone else. But I really hope it is not him. He is a feisty character who fell out with a mild chairman at his last club. An disagreement between Davis and Romanov could start world war three.
26

victorian,

24/03/2008 10:32:17
#27, if games always followed the pattern of previous results then the bookies would be taking an absolute pasting. they don't.

27

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 10:37:31
#24 Big Rob, fair play to you for trying to cheer us up.
#26 Vic, it can be done, but do you really believe it?
I must admit my confidence is shattered and I'm usually an optimist, like you I believe Hearts should beat anyone, however unrealistic that might be, but without a striker, it just wont happen. I pity Elliot, he takes dogs abuse, he's not up to the job, but there is no one else anymore, they are either unfit, mentally unstable or political outcasts.
28

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 10:41:18
#28 Tend to agree with that, I personally dont want to be deluded that it will be McGhee, I cant build myself up for the falls any longer.
29

victorian,

24/03/2008 10:44:57
#30 chas, i see the dundee united match as a fairly even match, i suspect the match odds will reflect that. i would imagine it wont be too far away from 6/4 either side. we'll just have to wait and see but if nade is back that's a start.

30

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 24/03/2008 10:45:42
#29
And that's exactly why you should get yourself to the bookies - you will get great odds on a Hearts win.
And if you can get a double on Hearts first goalscorer I'll be really impressed
31

SirSerg',

24/03/2008 11:06:48
The match won't finish 6/4 victor. HoM can't score 6 goals in a game.

You are maybe correct about the Dundee Utd score though.
32

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 11:13:40
In September, it looked as though Hearts could score for fun, in March, it would be fun if we could score at all.
United aren't any great shakes, but are well organised and confident, meanwhile Hearts are under a cloud and demoralised it seems.
33

Glorious Hearts,

24/03/2008 11:15:49
#4 "I would be very surprised if any UK manager would take on that poisoned chalice of a job."

complete nonsense.

there are two possible scenarios.

1) a manager comes in, does badly and is sacked. given all the fuss about romanov, the manager is assumed to have been hindered in his job and his reputation is undamaged and bank balance is increased.

2) a manager comes in and does well. he's a miracle worker, has succeeded despite romanov and his reputation and bank balance are both increased.

pretty much a win/win situatuation for a potential UK manager IF you actually think about it
34

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 24/03/2008 11:31:24
Both McGhee and Levin have been touted for the job. McGhee on a radio interviewed said that he was happy at Motherwell and was planning for the new season, targeting players etc.. Meanwhile Eddie Thomson was quoted as saying "Craig Levein and I have a special relationship which, as has been demonstrated by reaching the CIS Cup final, clinching a top-six place and having a wee chance of qualifying for European, is proving highly successful. I'd be astounded if he would consider such a move (to Hearts]."
Is it all a ploy to sell season tickets as soon as possible ??
Surely not...........
35

JamboThrough&Through,

24/03/2008 11:32:43
The fact of the matter is Probably any manager in the SPL outwith the OF would jump at the chance to manage hearts, providing there is no interference and he is allowed to build his own team, choose his own players and tactics etc, and no-one can deny that. The big problem is as i stated the manager having the full autonomy as promised, which judging by whats going on at the moment appears to be the case.

This might be hard for a lot of people to admit especially those with a green tint in there specs but Hearts and dare i say it Hibs are two of the biggest jobs in Scotland outwith the OF, the potential and size of both clubs makes the jobs only second to those with either Rangers or Celtic. Although i cannot comment on the Hibs for wages for paying managers again the managers post at Hearts will be vastly superior to any other club again outwith the OF

It was only a couple of weeks ago Billy Davie was in the paper practically begging Vlad or Hearts to pick up the phone and call him, even though he did say providing he has his own way. So for people to say no manager worth his salt or no credible manager would touch the Hearts job is basically either jealousy or foolish talk, unless of course there now counting Davies as not having any credibility, which basically shoots down the arguments for saying Davies wouldnt be interested.
36

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 24/03/2008 11:37:20
#38
I'm sure Billy Davies through the media gave the SFA a "call me - I want the job" then said he didn't want to be interviewed. I'm sure he would take the Hearts job because he needs to work, but then so does Stevie Frail and that doesn't make him a good manager.
However he did well with Derby and Paul Jewel isn't doing any better in the Premiership than Davies did
37

victorian,

24/03/2008 11:40:13
#38 JT&T, yes that's right. it's utter rubbish to say that no british manager would take the hearts job. in fact it's lazy thinking to say that.

#37, that may well turn out to be true but eddie thompson may well simply be playing the age old political game by dismissing the speculation. chairmen don't tend to capitulate at the first suggestion of their manager being linked to another job, they tend do take a stance to strengthen their position regarding the compensation they stand to receive in the event of an official approach. it goes on time after time.

38

JamboThrough&Through,

24/03/2008 11:43:56
#34

I see maths isnt your strong point serg, or is actually reading and understanding what people say he was talking about match odds not a scoreline

a 2 goal swing in favour of hearts and 2 goal swing against falkirk is all that is required.

If Falkirk lose by 2 or more against Killie next week and Hearts were to win by 2 or more we would go above them, or a 1-0 win to hearts and a 3-0 win to killie next week then theres the week after as well where falkirk travel to aberdeen, there are many possibilities that can turn the goal difference around.
39

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 11:45:02
#37, 40 Thompson was also quoted as saying he'd be really afraid if Hearts came calling for Levein again.
Levein is Hearts through and through but a relationship like he has with a seriously ill man, may not be sacrificed for the very real possibility of a terrible one with a dictatorial major shareholder.
40

JamboThrough&Through,

24/03/2008 11:53:42
#39
You could be right about the Davies thing and "call me" re SFA, however I think theres an argument for saying he was hoping to recieve a call from Hearts or another possible suitor with regards to club management and therefore backed down.

It's one of these things at the moment where we can only speculate, big robs post earlier was interesting if its genuine, I read it yesterday when he posted it, but is the person who wrote this on jkb genuine or not?

What was interesting was the first 2 paragraphs
"Myself, Gary Mackay and Lord Foulkes met with Charlie in Glasgow last Saturday and we had an open and frank discussion about all things HMFC, apart from the actual game that day, which we all agreed was pretty dire stuff!

All parties divulged things to each other in complete confidence so you will have to bear with me if you think I'm being a bit vague on certain topics - there are sound personal / commercial reasons for this and if you can't live with that I suggest that you skip the rest of this post"

If there was only 4 people involved in this conversation and 3 have been named then those 3 named will know who has posted it, so why be vague about things,

But interesting stuff Big Rob
41

Catholic Jambo,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 11:58:52
Every chance of beating Dundee Utd but accept that they are favourites.The HEARTS supporters will turn out in thir numbers again(whatever the attendance was on Saturday it was still impressive considering the teams performance)

i do not think anyone should assume that the postings are indicative of the Hearts support.It is the same dozen or so Hibs parasites & Hearts doom & gloom merchants who post,along with a few optimists (incl myself)who acknowledge the PAST negatives and are prepared to wait and see what the end of season brings.
Although i (like the vast majority of HEARTS supporters) will support the team to the end of season(since Frail took over his record is OK considering the quality of the squad) i cannot rule out the senario of appointing frail(has my sympathy but no where near experienced enough) & further substandard
Lithiunans however ;
1.I am prepared to wait & see
2.My balanced(as opposed to wishfull thinking) opinion is that we will have a new manager /new team that will return Hearts to it's place as the third force in Scotland.
Whilst the parasite Hibby's will continue to be pre occupied with Hearts instigated by a inferiority complex.
42

Dave the jambo fae Burnley.,

Burnley 24/03/2008 12:44:11
As a lifelong JAMBO of 56 years i have been living down south for 40 years now and still travel regulary ro the HEARTS games,but after last weeks debacle i will have to sit and study what games to go to next season.Once a JAMBO always a JAMBO.
43

Catholic Jambo,

Edin 24/03/2008 12:48:27
#45 My guess is that you will sit and study and come back like the vast majority of us even if it does mean more punishment. Because it is in your blood .
44

JamboThrough&Through,

24/03/2008 12:54:38
#46
I have to agree with you, i was one of the first on here to say as far back as beginning of february i would not be renewing my season ticket ive held for 19 years unless proof of a new manager the kind we have been promised and players brought in to the standard that befits wearing the famous maroon jersey, although I WILL wait it will be extremely hard not renewing, as you say its in the blood.
45

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 13:07:41
Perhaps we can put down the tittle tattle from the usual subjects and consider serious matters.

Where has all the money gone? ( WHATMG.)

Not on the park.
Not on buildings or infrastructure.

Anyone got any idea?

What are HOM supporters groups saying about the shambles.?

What is the democratically elected Supporters Trusts position?

Is waiting to see what happens a realistic option?

Only serious posters please.
46

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

24/03/2008 13:08:08
Billy Davies was on Goals on Sunday yesterday and was listening to him for any hint as to wether he would be interested or Hearts job mentioned. Said he would listen to any interesting offers in Scotland and definately back in the game this summer after taking in a few foreign teams structures at a few clubs before then.
No mention of Hearts but could well be him although McGhee would be a great appointment as would Levein. Why not McGhee and Davies as assistant, frail can work with the under 19's or something.
47

JamboThrough&Through,

24/03/2008 13:18:12
#48

Same old bull son, think of some new material please your gettin very boring now and only look foolish when everytime you post it is the same, If your a hearts fan im sure your not why do you never actually talk about the team or about results? do you go to games?

I dont think i have ever saw a post from you commenting on a game or about the team, just another hibs fan out to try noise people up. please try to think up soething new instead of copying and pasting your previous posts you have been making for months
48

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 13:27:02
50

Is Hearts financial well being of interest to you ?

If you have an opinion -voice it.
49

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 13:34:58
Well thats the best part of twenty minutes gone since I posed the central questions concerning the well being of HOM.

No sign of any constructive follow up.
Certainly not from the usual suspects.

Perhaps if I post about my grannie telling me that she met a man on a bus who knew a man who thought he heard a man say that Craig Levein or Mark Mchhee were interested in the Hearts managerial position I might cause a stampeed on here.

Thats about the level its got to.
50

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 13:42:01
My Grannie has been a Hearts fan for 90 years.

On Sunday on her return from her Altzeimers treatment she thought that she heard a man say something of great importance to all Hearts fans.

The man spoke in Lithuanian. My Grannie cant speak a word of Lithuanian.

She believed that this man was about to invest £40 million pounds into Hearts.

I believe her and I wondered if this might start a run on season ticket sales.

What do the usual suspects think about this ground breaking news?

51

victorian,

24/03/2008 13:47:01
tommytommy, i suspect the reason why nobody is engaging with you is that you have shown yourself up to be a buffoon of the highest order many a time in the recent past.

it's most certainly the reason why i wont be.

52

Catholic Jambo,

Edin 24/03/2008 13:56:33
##Tommy T: is your pre occupation with Hearts financial position based on your concern for the club?

Starting to doubt it.

As a shareholder/season ticket holder/supporter for 40 plus years it is of great interest to me.Once again i acknowledge that we are totally exposed to the gratuity & stability of Romonov/UKIO etc.A position i would prefer not to be in.

Where has all the money gone?:primarily on unsustainable players salaries. circa £1m on planning application. Hence why Romonov intends restructuring same.You appear incapable of understanding that the increase in debt exposes Romonov/Ukio financially(accept as well as our very existance if UKIO collapse)

What are supporters groups doing: considering their options & sensibly deciding to wait a few weeks to see if (as we all expect) that Romonov will demonstate by his actions that he has learnt from his mistakes.

Is waiting to see a realistic option: as opposed to what? Yes.

The Romonov era has been a roller coaster/more negatives than positives/we have gone backwards in the last two seasons.
However he funded a team that split the OF/qualified for CL/one the Scottish cup/funded Gordon/Hartley/Prssley/Fysas/Bednar/Skacel/Jasnauskas etc Some more succesful than others but a Champions League winner/Euro Championship winner playing at Tynecastle.

53

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 13:58:25
Your engaging now 54.

I recall the time when we engaged and you found yourself contradicting yourself.
That was funny.

I recall that you suddenly developed an illness and went to ground for a week.

However.

As one of the "usual suspects" who has an opinion on everything from the origins of life to embro development you will no doubt know what Romanov has done with the debt he has run up in the name of Hearts.

I'm waiting.

54

victorian,

24/03/2008 14:00:53
#56, you'll be waiting a long time then.

cheerio.

55

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 14:03:57
Thats one down.Victornoopiniononheartsfuture.

I'll have to tell my Grannie to post for him.
56

Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 14:39:30
If Vladimir Romanov seriously wants Hearts to progress, he need only consider this fact: club success is achieved by good managers in secure employment, not by the whims of owners or directors.

Think about it: Harry Rednapp at Portsmouth, David Moyes at Everton, Arsene Wenger at Arsenal, Alex Ferguson at Manchester United, Walter Smith at Rangers. And we can now add Craig Levine at Dundee United.

It really is that simple!



57

Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 14:40:58
Sorry... Craig Levein.
58

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 15:59:39
From tonights Dundee Ecening Telegraph

"It gets a bit monotonous to tell you the truth, but I suppose me getting linked with them (Hearts) is not a huge surprise,” said Craig.

“All I can do when it happens is stress how happy I am here at United and that I have no intention of going anywhere.

“I’ve said before that, at some point, I would love another go at managing in England and try to get to the Premiership, but that’s no more than a thought and, right now, I am really enjoying what I am doing and have no plans to stop.”

End of speculation.

59

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 16:00:10
Should read Evening.
60

Chas Niceass,

24/03/2008 16:26:56
#61 Well done Tommy for doing something useful for a change.
Mind you I wonder what would happen if he was actually made an offer, but I'm convinced he won't be offered the chance, knowing the current situation at Utd.
Thompson is actually one of Romanovs few allies in the Scottish game.
61

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 16:38:05
63
Where did you get that from?
62

victorian,

24/03/2008 16:44:06
#64 tommytommy, excuse me while i pi** myself laughing. you asking someone where they got something from is the epitome of irony.

63

what a chancer,

abdn 24/03/2008 16:48:02
All the bulletins in the scotsman,are what we have been saying for the last two seasons.HAS THE SCOTSMAN BEEN TO FEARED TO SAY THIS.
64

what a chancer,

abdn 24/03/2008 16:50:42
I see falkirk have beaten us to it to sign some of gretnas players,missed the boat again,any way they would have been perched on the bench i suspect.
65

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 17:02:11
65

From the BBC web page 25th Jan 2005

By the way .Your engaging.Good.

"Romanov's group held talks with Dundee United last week, but discussions with Dundee administrator Tom Burton are more advanced, the Lithuanians having claimed that they have the ability to wipe out the club's debts."

"They have been at Dunfermline, they have been at Livingston, they have been at Dundee United," said Marr.

"I know Tom Burton has spoken to somebody, but I can't see it."



Tom Burton rejected the Romanov offer.

Burton was acting on behalf of HBOS who also hold Dundee Utds overdraft.

Thomson wouldn't touch Romanov with a barge pole.Fact.

66

victorian,

24/03/2008 17:08:52
tommytommy, why are you posting that? what interest will it have for anyone?

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TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 17:17:28
I thought you were engaging victor.

Is it not of interest to you and your victornomics ?

Read the meaning of the statement and then put it against the idea that Thomson allies himself to Romanov.

Thomson distanced himself from Romanov the day he approached Dundee Utd.

I know of a senior hbos person who stated in no uncertain terms what would become of any club that sold out to Romanov.

Thats how it has turned out.

68

victorian,

24/03/2008 17:19:47
#70 tommytommy, all very well but does it say anything about how thompson and romanov are now?

69

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 17:26:58
Their financial interests do not overlap.

The hbos back Thomson not Romanov.

They are not allies in any shape or form.

Does Romanov have an ally?

I see conflict wherever his interests are challenged
70

victorian,

24/03/2008 17:45:45
#72, why then does he tolerate his MD at hearts being a vice president of the sfa?

71

TommyTommy,

24/03/2008 17:54:18
More importantly

WHATMG?

What is their to show for a debt of £40 million.?
72

victorian,

24/03/2008 18:01:13
and it's cheerio once more.
73

kiwidoug,

22 In A Row 24/03/2008 18:48:50
Hearts are in my blood as well Catholic Jambo and the flag flies proudly above my house. I do not think however that you can just be an optomist and hope for the best.

The lack of management and direction at Tynecastle is scandalous. If there are positive plans for the future, why does Romanov not tell us about them. And why did he decimate a great squad and management structure. We were the best in Scotland 2 years ago. Our performances against the OF proved that.

Why did Romanov build that up just to destroy it again?
74

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 24/03/2008 23:34:40
I seem to remember Craig Levein making a very similar comment No.61.I have no interest in leaving Hearts,2 days later he was off to England.Don't believe what you read.Personally I thought McGee was a buffoon as a player and I think he is still a buffoon as a manager.Would rather have oor Craig back or for that matter John Robertson who got some very poor treatment from Hearts on his short spell as manager.A Hearts great deserved much better treatment.Don't know much about Billy Davis.The great Waldo likes a challenge,maybe we could make him an offer he can't refuse plus he would have the added bonus of getting out of the Glasgow slums and living Glorious Gorgie.
Mon the JT'S.
75

Catholic Jambo,

edin 25/03/2008 06:57:34
kiwidoug; i respect all the opinions of genuine Hearts fans and whatever their own personal stance is.

Totally agree with your summary. I would go further;he has turned us ino a laughing stock.There is no logic other than his ego to expalin why he pressed the self destuct button when we are on high.

There are signs(but as yet no tangible proof) that he recognises the error of his ways.The Federation met Romonov a few weeks ago and he cleary admits mistakes.(summarised in last match programme)
I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt for two reasons;
1. It is only a matter of weeks before it will become obvious if there is to be tangible proof(ie new manager/signings etc)
2. For all his faults he is far too intelligent not to realise current position unsustainable(forget all the cr#p about asset stripping as it does ot stand up to even the most basic scrutiny)

However i do find it hard to argue with those that will not renew season tickets before the see appropriate actions.

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Hans Eskillson,

Glasgow 25/03/2008 12:51:29
I recall with a fond smile the heady days of the preseason. Does anyone else recall the yammish hordes gleefully telling all and sundry that the yams had the third, and possiby, second best team and squad in the SPL?

Delusion is such a funny thing. Never mind lads and lasses, the Pits League is still there for the winning.
77

BustlinDrew,

- 28/03/2008 04:15:22
"Frail argued afterwards that Andrius Velicka, the top scorer who was sold to Viking Stavanger, would not have fared any better given the lack of chances created". Good point Stevie, and guess what you’re the coach, you’re responsible for setting up the team to create chances, and guess what Stevie, you screwed up again. When Chesny was taken of why didn’t you just put Ksanavicius wide left and leave Miko and Larry where they were ??? Instead you switched Miko to the left, Larry to the right disrupted the whole set up and put Ksanavicius in the hole where the wee guy was abysmal all afternoon and Elliot playing as the striker was worse. You Stevie are a complete numpty.

 

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