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Published Date:
18 December 2007
SUPPORTERS' chief Derek Watson today urged Hearts fans to show caution over plans to boycott a home match in protest at Vladimir Romanov's running of the club.
Fed-up fans on the Jamboskickback website are trying to drum up enough support for the boycott when Gretna visit Tynecastle on February 9.
INFLUENCE: Vladimir Romanov
INFLUENCE: Vladimir Romanov

Their pent-up frustrations boiled over after the weekend's league defeat to Rangers and a number of Hearts fans feel it is time club owner Romanov stopped influencing team selection and substitutions.

While the majority of Jambos are keen for Romanov to remain involved with the club, they want him to allow the Hearts management team to be left in sole charge of who plays for the Tynecastle side and when, and they feel the only way to show their frustration is through some sort of boycott.

That could come in the shape of fans staying away from the Gretna game, however, while Watson, chairman of the Heart of Midlothian Supporters' Trust, shares their frustration over the way things have panned out this season, he doesn't believe voting with their feet is the answer to the club's problems.

Watson said: "I don't think that it is the time for knee-jerk reactions. I can understand people's frustrations because I feel the same way myself but I don't believe that boycotts are the way to go. Even at the height of the Save our Hearts campaign I didn't support them because I believe that all they serve to do is divide the fans."

Despite Watson's reservations though, the plans have been getting backing from a number of fans on the website, with one poster suggesting: "We want a manager to be given 100 per cent control of footballing operations. We want a protest against this random team selection, substitutions and tactical nonsense that are self-destructing Hearts.

"If we were all to choose not to go to one match to show our disapproval with this method of madness, then why not the Gretna match on February 9?

"If the attendance was so low it might just implant a seed of doubt into Vlad's mind that all is not well."

Meanwhile assistant boss Stephen Frail insisted there were some positives to be taken from the 2-1 reverse at Ibrox on Saturday and he praised the contribution of defensive partners Christophe Berra and Marius Zaliukas. He said: "I thought the two of them were immense. It was a difficult game for them but they handled it well and they didn't deserve to be on the losing side.

"Rangers, as you would expect at Ibrox, exerted plenty of pressure during the game but they handled it well."

And Frail admitted that Kestutis Ivaskevicius had done his chances of being named in the starting line-up against Inverness this weekend no harm after making an impression when he came off the bench to replace Saulius Mikoliunas at half time.

He added: "I thought Kestutis did well when he came on. He gave us something different, linked well down the right, and gave Rangers some real problems in the second half."



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  • Last Updated: 18 December 2007 12:31 PM
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1

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 18/12/2007 11:46:58
If Derek Watson does not believe voting with their feet is the answer to the club's problems, then what else does he suggest?

While supporting VR in his financial commitment it is time he realised that his constant interference is causing fans huge frustration and they are quickly losing tolerance.

We need a strong manager with a proven record of success, not a constant merry go round of VRs puppet managers
2

LyonHearts,

le teil 18/12/2007 12:04:37
I haven't been to Tynecastle for over 15 years, but if I was in Embra I'd certainly think twice about showing up to watch my beloved Jambos given their recent insipid performances.

1) It's not the players fault, they are rotated till the don't know if they're coming or going!

2)It's not Frails fault, he's not a top class manager or even a top class coach for that matter.

3) It's Romanov and only Romanov who has destryed all team spirit and has yet to explain what his real plan- if there is one of course - is for the club!

Something should be done, but I'm not sure what!
3

Lenny,

18/12/2007 12:16:22
I'm sure that after a couple of wins everything will be rosey again at Tynecastle. There were talks earlier in season about boycots but all was forgetton after a couple of wins. It was pointed out atthe time and I'm sure the same will follow again.

And this new Scotsman site is rubbish!
4

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 12:19:00
why do people think a boycott is the answer?
thats not going to do any good at all. romanov is still going to have an influence no matter what.
lets just accept thats the way it is now unles someone buys him out (never going to happen)

the last two games have been lost due to individual errors caused by players who should be dropped as they have proved a) they are not good enough to play in the spl or b) don't give a sh*t whether hearts win or lose.
in my opinion goncalves, zaulikas and kurskis should be freed for the total disrespect and do not have the mental ability to not make basic schoolboy mistakes.

but it is true that they will probably all play next game as the team selection has nothing to do with things like that. there is no way we will finish top 6 now and it seems like it really doesnt matter where we finish anymore. its just about the fact we exist now.
we have to thank vlad for that.

newcastle jambo will be proud of me. i had faith for so long but f*ck it. we are f*cked!!
5

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 12:26:10
I suspect some of the more negative posters here are right, and ultimately to get Vlad to listen you need to hit his pocket. But the frustrations have clearly hit boiling point now - and the fans need to do something, so I would support a protest of somesort and boycotting Gretna is as good a protest as any.
I don't read kickback so would question why teh Gretna match was chosen? Whats wrong with Inverness, or St Mirren? 6 weeks gives time for a couple of good results to paper over the cracks again.
As I say, I suspect Vlad will ignore the fans, but at least this would get it out in the open - surely event the most ardent Vlad fan would think twice if he didn't budge in the face of a decent sized protest action like this?
6

LyonHearts,

le teil 18/12/2007 12:26:38
#5 that's as maybe, but when Romanov first arrived we were promised CL football, the SPL title, world class players and a new stand!

How many of the above have actually appeared..? eeerrr, I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations we've got eeerrr let me just double check...right none of the above!

We are languishing in 8th place in the league and this must be our worst position in decades!

I was looking at a webpage with the old Hearts players I used to support as a lad - Drew Busby, Willie Gibson, Jim Brown, Bobby Prentice...etc They gave 100% every week and although they didn't win anything we were proud to cheer them on every week!

More of the same from the current crop of overpaid chavs might go a long way to pleasing Jambos everywhere!
7

victor ian,

18/12/2007 12:28:26
boycotts are probably not the answer. in fact there is a possibility that any form of protest could make things worse, they could enrage the self styled club president. as we all know, he despises criticism and perceived acts of disloyalty.

if change for the better happens, it will be on his terms, it will all be his idea, and you wont hear any admissions of failings in the past from him.

8

Lenny,

18/12/2007 12:30:12
# 8

Oh, I know thats what you were promised. My Jambo mates had a right good time back then. Us Hibee's were told that we were not even a challenge to Hearts any more as they had moved on to bigger things!?!?

I just think that a couple of wins (espec against Hibs) would make Hearts fans forget all about this and Vlad will be the Saviour again. It has happened before.
9

BigRon,

Signpost Corner 18/12/2007 12:36:03
I suspect that a bit of stability in team selection may return for a few weeks, results will pick up and the fans will quieten down until about the beginning of February when the next Vlad controversy will blow up.
10

Bilbo Baggins,

Underhill 18/12/2007 12:43:03
Hearts are a joke.
11

Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 18/12/2007 12:46:21
#1 - Agree. What solutions does he have? Some kind of community takeover would be good, like has happened in Europe. Funny how the best clubs in Europe are owned by the fans - Real Madrid, Barcelona and lots of the German clubs too.
12

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 12:53:07
#11

Think thats spot on. Everytime things do seem to settle down a bit and we think things are heading in the right direction - the tinkering and influence over team affairs jump up again.

Its very sad that it has come to a boycott situation as IMO the problems at eteh club could so so easily be sorted out but as we know its one individual that is running the club with an iron fist and causing all the problems.

ps

This new site is total Mick Hucknall
13

Mr Crisps,

Haddington 18/12/2007 12:53:16
#13 Thanks a lot for your comment. It really adds to the debate.
14

UrbanFox,

18/12/2007 12:54:15
So what ARE you going to do Derek Watson? I thought so, nothing.

Its only December but Hearts already have zippo chance of Europe. Romanov is not going to change his interfering unless you give him the motivation to change. Financial or ego, take your pick. But if Hearts fans cant summon up enough guts to do anything then the problem will be exactly the same next year.
15

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 12:59:51
#14 How about another one of those open letters he sent Vlad last year? That worked didn't it??
Seriously, that was 1 year ago - almost to the day, and nothing has changed since. The only way the fans are going to be heard is to escalate their activities until Vlad pays attention - a letter didn't work, so now some sort of genuine action.
16

Shopping anyone?,

18/12/2007 13:00:19
I gave up the season ticket during the summer and stopped using it after January due to the backbone of our Cup winning side being treated so shabbily and shipping out Hartley was the last straw. I wasn't even tempted during the summer as I knew we would not have Craig Gordon after the transfer window closed.

I'm on a permanent boycott already until this rotten regime are no more. The club has sold its soul and to what? I fear for their future - the League table doesn't lie.
17

jumpship,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 13:02:43
Its really simple .... If we don't do anything.. We will finish the season in the bottom 6 . Probably 9th 10th or 11th

Are we all happy with that.
18

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 13:07:53
Quote by Derek Watson "Knee jerk reaction" absolutelty laughable.
If Vlad is sincere in his words and is looking to the long term future of the club then its time we tested his metal.
My own view now is that a protest can not harm the club anymore than it is being harmed presently.
As i stated yesterday a protest in the media is my choice because in the past it has been proved that not only does Vlad read the press he also lets it get under his skin.
I also think the supporters have been patient enough waiting for Vlad to deliver and it appears now we are going backwards.
Do we not protest just because its Vlad.
As stated before,i feel i have put enough in,now i want something back.
WE NEED A MANAGER
19

jambali,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 13:08:50
I'll be there - it's what season tickets are for! Be there & support the players who ARE trying. Vlad's ego is big enough not to put up with failure for long, but he'll have to find his own way out of this. He won't be forced, we know he's stubborn. Anyone with half a brain knew we were going to have these issues when we have an unrestricted owner.
20

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 13:12:04
Given that Watson wants to avoid "knee-jerk" reactions. Here's a thought:
- go to the other members of the supporters trust
- ask them if they think a boycott is a good idea
- vote on it
- boycott the game
That's not knee jerk at all. He's got 6 weeks until the Gretna match, there's very little organisation needed to not turn up for something. If this man claims to represent Hearts fans, the very least he should do is ask them what they want.
21

East at Easter,

Edinurgh 18/12/2007 13:14:17
can i join the big boycott? I will not wear a Russian hat, i will act good and will try my best to look foolish when the cameras are rolling. I will also try not make my club look silly on national tv.
22

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 13:15:29
Charlie Mann says everything is fine.

Move away from the protest - nothing to see!
23

stevie d,

18/12/2007 13:16:10
Have you lot not been boycotting all season?

Last count there were 400,000 fans in the world, how come only 14,000-15,000 turn up?

Thought Vlad would have taken the hint by now....with such a low attendance!

GGTTH!
24

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 13:18:32
#24 "Vlad's ego is big enough not to put up with failure for long"
That's true, but do we really know that he considers a poorly performing football team "failure"? What if he considers the fact that his presence at Hearts has enabled him to open a bank and build a hotel in Edinburgh a success? Or that procuring a £20m debt for Ukio Bankas to service is a success?
There's so many ways you could split it. Ultimately he'll consider profit "success" and loss "failure".
25

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 13:19:40
I think we are all agreed this has gone on too long and too far, Saturdays embarrassment, in a game we could quite easily have won, Rangers were poor, is the last straw for me. More points thrown away by a player not good enough for the grade, the 2nd half performance, a marked improvement as No.16 was removed, why does he start.
Heres the irony though, Goncalves one of those who once looked good, probably he is, but now he plays every week making calamitous errors and isn't replaced.
There is no rhyme nor reasons, merely whims, its haphazard at best, and the sole reason why we lie a shudderingly bad 8th.
We are dropping steadily,now Caley will fancy their chances on Saturday, if someone held a gun to my head for a result on Saturday, I'd back Caley, I have no faith, therefore I can only agree there has to be some sort of protest made.
All those who want to sit and suffer in fear of Romanov, well thats up to you, but he is a bully and eventually if you want whats right you have to stand up to the bully and tell him your not scared.
26

The Jambo,

18/12/2007 13:20:11
I'm not a big businessman like Vlad. He really needs to watch what he does.
If by chance we go to Murrayfield when the alleged new stand is being built how many present season ticket holders will buy one for there.
I certainly will not.No need to.Big enough stadium.
I'll just pick what games I want to go to just like what Vlad does.
How things have changed. Be honest Hearts fans.
Do you look forward to games now. NO
Do you cringe when you hear the changed team each week, YES.
Do you look forward to the pub YES
You would not need to buy one, unless he makes some scheme to force us to.
That could make him sit up and possibly come over to discuss matters.
We obviously do not want to affect Hearts by staying away we all want them to move forward.
I find it hard to watch a team when we all know there could be a better players out on the pitch. They are either sitting on the bench or probably in their house wondering what they have done or have to do to keep playing for Hearts.
No manager in his right mind would take over at Hearts unless hes desperate and I am sure players will probably think twice about joining us now.
I still think we will sign rubbish players in January, hope not but would put my money on it being Crapididdys from Lithuania.
Maybe next year!!!!!!????????
27

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:21:56
When's the surge starting yams?
28

Chris E,

Airdrie 18/12/2007 13:23:02
Why not wait until the AGM and organise a protest.
29

busbyfh,

18/12/2007 13:32:41
There have been - and still are , many positives about Vladimr Romanov's involvement with our club.
One main thing is taking away these positives - His involvement in team matters.
If he could just understand that he is not and never will be immersed in football enough to have the knowledge in team selections and tactics , he would surely put his business hat on and ensure that by butting out - his business would flourish.
Who can get through his ego barrier long enough to make him understand he is not Alex Ferguson ?
Unfortunately there is no one.
I have never even contemplated a boycott in my life as a Hearts fan , but now I feel I am obliged to - Something has to be done to make Vlad realise - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
30

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 13:33:09
Heard on the radio that Barry Robson was a shock target for Hearts in January, no shock he's a target but a massive shock if he signs for Hearts. More talk to pacify the angry troops?
At least he's got the right disciplinary troubles to be a legitimate Hearts player.
31

Arnie,

Newington 18/12/2007 13:36:36
I thought that last time Vlad was in town he got a nice round of applause from the fans, I can't imagine that a boycott would work. A protest after a bad result maybe but organised boycott is not going to happen.
32

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 13:38:44
Why is a boycott being planned for a game in February.Whats wrong with Saturday.
We cannot protest when it suits, we must protest untill something is done.

WE NEED A MANAGER
33

Iain Bhern,

18/12/2007 13:39:39
It seems to me that a boycott would be futile and self defeating. The majority of those attending matches are season ticket holders so Vlad already has your money. A boycott is only going to affect the morale of the players and however much you like or dislike them, for the moment, they are all you've got. The time for a boycott is when next years season tickets go on sale. Don't buy them, pick and choose your games and pay on the gate. As soon as Vlad sees that his income stream has diminished he'll realise that things need to change. Whether they do or not is a different matter.
34

just a jambo,

18/12/2007 13:41:05
Never been a a boycott fan,but things are gettig bad now might be worth a try.
35

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:45:09
hearts have huge problems sort em out now!! or go down a division or two. lol
36

JamboJohnny,

18/12/2007 13:45:32
I think its time to show Vlad that we have had enough. He hides from us, makes the club a PLC so he doesnt have to tell us diddly-squat.

My patience has ran out, and I suspect thousands others has too.
37

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:46:20
Hook line and sinker you fell for the father and son combination, ROMANOV'S ( CHUCKLE BROTHERS )
38

Big Bouncy Betty ,

18/12/2007 13:53:15
I'm sure we have been here before about 100 times since Romanov joined the club. Here we go again!

The fact is Romanov tore apart the best Hearts team in years and forced out a great manger in Burley, he also sacked Phil Anderton and Foulkes all these guys were doing a great job for the club.

I for one will never forgive him for that. The man is a joke, 100% Embarresment to Hearts and football.

Unfortunately not all fans can see this for some reason.

The way the club is being run is a shambles, no football club should be run like this, so the question is why are there any Hearts fans who back this nonsense?

I dont know if there is any way we can get the message accross to be honest i think were doomed, with years of this to come. We should however try anything and everything to do something and if that means missing games so be it.
39

streetwise,

some where in my head 18/12/2007 13:57:33
No point protesting,the man saved the club.Okay he has promised a lot and failed to deliver on any promise yet,forget about a new manager,thats not going to happen,if Vlad is a winner he is going to have to proof it now,or look a complete fool,and if he is the latter who will do business with him or his bank,we put our faith in him,so stay on side,and lets hope he is true to his word.
40

Mixu 6-2,

18/12/2007 14:06:33
Nice to see the yams are being run correctly and well..
400.000 fans lining up every home game for a ticket (gold-dust)..
european champ's league football being played with flair.. and into last 16..
and yams battling it out at the top of the scottish premier league with the old-firm.. only goal difference
spitting the three teams..
yes yams us hibernian fans are pure jealous of you lot..
MERRY-XMAS XXXXXXX..
41

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 14:10:32
Just when becoming a Hearts fan was depressing #49 turns up and suddenly I feel better again.
42

UrbanFox,

18/12/2007 14:12:47
Some Hearts fans really just dont get it.

Romanov is HAPPY with the way things are. He has stated that recently. He is just using Hearts FC as a trading club to showcase players then sell them on.
43

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 14:14:17
#48 There’s an important distinction to be made between protesting against Vlad, and protesting against Vlad’s interference in team selection. As you say, he has done many good things for the club, but he needs to stop picking the team. While fans remain split on whether Vlad has, overall, been a good or bad thing for the club – you’re not going to find a single person who thinks that his involvement in picking the team is a positive. That’s what the protest needs to be about.

#49 PC Mixu! You’re back! Where have you been man? On a special undercover mission? We’ve missed you. I would update you on whats been happening, but as you post the same sh*t on every story regardless I won’t waste our time.
44

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 14:19:51
i dont believe in boycotts etc...i mean what else you going to do on saturday...christmas shopping...F*CK THAT!! i'd rather go and watch the game no matter how sh*te we are!!

but its sad. ive been a defender of vlad and he has done a lot of good for our club.

but if the players dont give a sh*t and throw or kick the ball into our own net then i cant be bothered either. its just sad and i never thought i would feel so disinterested and i actually dont care if we win or lose anymore.
45

Lenny,

18/12/2007 14:20:40
# 40

Hey chas, I think your spot on mate. Everytime things are going a wee bit sour at Tynecastle a nice news story is never far away. Sure it was the Stadium plans last time.

And I aint gloating, we things are going both Hibs and Hearts will be bottom 6!!!
46

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 14:26:02
Mixu62 ate my hamster
47

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 14:29:12
The football side of things has been a shambles since Burley left.

If it wasn't for Ivanauskas/McGlynn steadying the ship, Vlad would have had nothing to show for his time at the club.

If he doesn't return to basics, there will be nothing else to show for however long he stays/lasts.
48

Jam Bow,

LA 18/12/2007 14:29:28
I gave up my season ticket at the end of last season and, believe me, I do not regret it in the least. I'm witnessing one baffling decision after another and now my anger is turning towards my fellow jambos. Why can't everyone see that this man is a liar, a megalomaniac, a mean-spirited tyrant and, above all, the worst kind of idiot you can get - one who thinks (and always will) that he knows better.
Earlier this year we were warned that we need to get in quick for season ticket renewals. After all, we already had over 13,000 season ticket holders with more than 6,000 on the waiting list. Hearts then advertised that they had another 500 or so available. Why did they need to advertise?
My own theory is that there were many more like me who had simply had enough and, if there hadn't been a waiting list, the numbers would have gone down significantly.
Yet, still, the absurdity continues and, still, the madman interferes with team selections, tactics, substitutions, transfers and anything else which feeds his lust for power. It is time for fellow jambos to realise that the only way to make this man recognise the folly of his ways is to abandon their season tickets.
No doubt, everything will quieten down around the season ticket renewal period and many will be taken in by the calm but, I'm eaqually sure, there will be many who are not taken in by him. Hopefully, with no waiting list this time, the cracks will not be papered over and, finally, the bampot-despot will begin to see that we mean business.
Have no doubt, a club the size of Hearts will never die. We may see a bit of upheaval, administration even, but we will not die. Far too many people are afraid to upset MadVlad but they are nothing more than appeasers and we all know what happens when we appease despots.
49

Northern Hibby.,

Hibs fan with no axe to grind. 18/12/2007 14:32:45
I am never much fond of boycotts mainly because despite the chairman/owners investment a club belongs to the fans really. Not turning up and denying the club revenue hurts the club twice. No support for the players or money in the till. But if a gesture needs to be made, then why not boycott an away game?

50

Mastermind.,

scratching my head at what,s wrong at tiny, ah eve 18/12/2007 14:35:44
Where do most of you hearts fans get the money to buy pc's, you can't be workers as the same six punter's are on hearts thread's from morning till noon!
surely the tax payer is not having to stump up bevvy money, pc' money, and dosh for grub!
saying that there are computers in the royal edin hospital,
how come the tiny fans are more interested in the hibby boards,
really find it sad, sad beyond myself,
the maroons are in deep brown stuff ok,
long may it last.
51

maroon74,

18/12/2007 14:37:30
I agree with #42. Why not boycott the game this sat? Leaving it for 6 weeks?? What use is that? We all know that if things get worse(if they can) he`ll pull another trust me trick from his Russian hat!!! I`m a season ticket holder and i would gladly miss the game this Sat! It needs to be done NOW on the back of whats happening now! And if any of us think he`s going to bring a manager in to call the shots... c`mon lads, the man is an egomaniac who is thriving on this attention and it`s only going to get worse i`m afraid!
52

Taras Shevchenko,

18/12/2007 14:38:11
The power of the internet should not be underestimated - good on the kickbackers that are pushing for some shot across Vlad's bows....

Since Hearts used to first play at the meadows - why don't we meet there and march from the meadows to Tynecastle before home games?

It will make a point outside the ground where the players will be less affected by it - maybe it will allow Vlad to keep his didgnity while still allowing him to give us what we want - his participation in picking the tema and the subs to stop!!

This sounds to me like a good first course of action, leading up to more agressive action like sit ins, chants, even boycotts and non-renewal of STs.

Victor could be right when he says that boycotts etc might make things worse; but, maybe things have to get worse before things get any better?

Players and coaches will not flourish under his current setup, so bring it on I say. We need to act in some way.
53

Taras Shevchenko,

18/12/2007 14:41:00
I don't think the Heart of Midlothian Supporters' Trust has any clout; but maybe it could be strengthened with high profile ex players/managers and businessmen joining forces? At least it could provide a starting point to build an organisation that everyone can unite behind?
54

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 14:41:11
#61 too true. well said and a great idea.

ive personally being doing this for awhile.

i agree that not turning up to watch a game when i know its on at tynie i just cant do it...its not right.
im just turning up now though for something to do with my saturday but ive stopped going to away games. its hard when i went to every one under burley and it was great taking that many away fans but i think that is the way to do it. ive slowly just stopped going at all.
55

Gerry M,

18/12/2007 14:44:31
the prospect of tens of thousands (or more if the game falls near when we win the league) of the greatest fans in the world gracing Murrayfield twice a season or more is a wonderful one though, you must admit.
56

Ayrshire Scot.™,

18/12/2007 14:45:22
I'd be careful before p*ssing off mad Vlad, all you jam tarts out there: you saw what happened to the Riccarton 3!
57

maroon74,

18/12/2007 14:47:27
#67 I don`t like the idea of not going to games either, especially when i`ve got a season ticket, but what else can we do? boycotting away games? Our travelling support is getting smaller and smaller by the week antway!
58

Andy Driver for Scotland,

Dundee 18/12/2007 14:49:02
There is no way I'm going to boycott, if Vlad thinks he can pick the team every week then there is no way I'll be backing him, I'll be in my seat in the gorgie road end come Saturday.

Bring back Elvis
59

Bhoyed,

18/12/2007 14:56:19
Can someone explain what the problem is with Hearts? Romanov came in when you were on your knees and stopped you going to Murrayfield, he has also spent a few bob on wages for players you would normally not be able to afford. He won you a cup for the first time in 7 years, he took you to the 2nd in the league and the CL qualifiers (although the less said about that the better!).
And now after after losing to Motherwell and Rangers (at Ibrox) you are all whinging!!
Do Hearts fans honestly think they should be winning every week?
Hearts are no different to Hibs, Aberdeen,Dundee Utd and this season Motherwell. By this I mean every now and then you will punch above your weight and occasionally win the battle for 3rd in the league.
You need to really calm down and know where you fit in Scottish football, as all this posturing and mouthing off from a club that has won 2 trophies in 50 years is getting a bit embarrassing!!
60

The Moth, Vladimir's Wallet.,

18/12/2007 14:56:59
For over a year the phanny's from west edinburgh have got on my goat about how big a team hearts are there huge support is second to none.
get it into your heads the teams sheeeeite the rest of scotland have made hearts the laugh and joke of all football teams,
run by a conman just look behind yourself's at the playing staff,
and most importantly the results.
61

Andy Driver for Scotland,

Moth's Wallet 18/12/2007 15:00:58
Give it a few weeks, we'll be back where we belong in 3rd place.

Hearts for the League...











....Cup
62

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 18/12/2007 15:01:09
We need a manager, We don't need another spokesman for Romanov advising against a boycott. We are Hearts, we are Hearts, we need a Manager with 100% control. If Romanov was a manager he would have been sacked by now. How can anyone pick a side if he doesn't even see them play. Now and then there is a glimmer of hope and that hope is whipped away from us. I wonder if the coaching trinity along with Romanov should be reported for having mental problems as nobody sane would run a team like that.
63

Tynie terror,

18/12/2007 15:06:40
What we'll find now is that there will be a reasonably settled squad for the next few games and once we've went 5-6 games unbeaten, the inexplicable changes will once again ruin our head of steam and we'll be back to square one.
This is exactly what's been happening since Burley was axed, and by the time the Gretna game comes around the latest fiasco will be forgotten about.... for a few games.
I've never voted for boycotting in the 30 years I've been following Hearts but I'm at a loss as to what to do for the best. And as for Mr Watson, don't tell us what we can and can't do, or what might be best for Hearts without volenteering a solution.
Voting with our feet would be a start, and it would show Vlad what we are capable of should this farcical situation continue.... he's an egomaniac and hates the thought of being disliked. WE NEED TO SHOW HIM WHAT WE THINK, because moaning about it on these threads and the like hasn't solved anything.
64

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 15:06:48
I agree with our Hibs friend in post 61. A boycot of home games only serves to hurt the club and demorolise the players even more (If they can be any more demorolised) I agree with everyone that action in some form has to be taken and as already suggested one course of action is to not renew season tickets but thats next year and far off by then at this rate we could be in an even worse position. Im only glad gretna are in the SPL this year as there our only saviour to stop a possible relegation battle. Action by whatever course needs to be NOW not in 6 weeks or at the end of the season
65

Tynie terror,

18/12/2007 15:06:59
oh yeah...

WE NEED A MANAGER!
66

Hibs fc,

I HOPE SO - DO YOU. 18/12/2007 15:16:35
>>> TURMOIL AT THE CASTLE <<<
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>>> ARE HEARTS READY FOR CLOSING DOWN <<<
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>>> GIRUY <<<
67

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 15:16:56
WE NEED A MANAGER
68

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 15:22:52
#6 John Colquhoun - well done my friend!

It's amazing to see so many of the BELIEVE campaign finally taking some notice of what to some of us has been so obvious for around 2 years now. I can almost hear the sound of heads being reluctantly pulled out of the sand one by one!

I refused to renew my season ticket in 2006/07 despite the Cup win as I could see the way the club was being run and I just can't support it. The Riccarton 3 expressed what many of us felt but of course were shouted down by the majority as somehow being disloyal. In fact I believe it was their love of Hearts and respect for the fans that led to them speaking up - and ultimatley being forced out the club. They were too professional to tolerate the club being run in such a ridiculous manner that is totally disrepectful to the coaches, players and fans.

If Hearts goes back to being run as a bona fida football club where the team comes first and a MANAGER is allowed to do his job I will be back. Not before.
69

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 15:26:37
moth you seem more interested in me than your terrible team.
get a life.
70

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:27:09
One-game boycotts simply do not work in football. Man Utd fans protests anout being sold to americans did not work. Name one boycott that's worked?

A half-time exodus would be better, but tough to do if the good Hearts team happens to turn up that day. However, attendances will fall and Romanov will get the message (if he doesn't from the poor league positions which I find hard to believe) if the team continues like this, season ticket sales will decline and merchandise sales will also fall.

Save Our Hearts did not work - the ground still would have been sold had Romanov not come along. And now we are not protesting, IMO, against the future of the club, as I think Romanov's in it for the long haul, but against specific tactics. That's a different thing and much harder to do. It's not about telling Romanov to get out, which is an easy protest, it's about giving him a very specific message, which is much harder.

Something more imaginative like Liverpool fans' recent protest would work better:

http://eplleague.blogspot.com/2007/01/liverpool-fans-protest-during-fa-cup.html


71

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72

Paladoon,

18/12/2007 15:30:17
My own guess is that there will be no boycott and no change in what happens at hearts. There will probably continue to be grumblings of complaint and threats of action but in the end, nothing significant will happen. A few hundred might protest but they will be shouted down by those terrified about what will happen if the only player in town leaves. A few will not buy their season tickets, but hearts will come up with some marketing ploy that has people worried that they cannot see hearts if they intend being walk-up fans, so a lot will continue to buy.
Football fans are optimists, they think every year "this is the year" or that a new player is the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Hearts fans are no different; they will all hope that things will be better tomorrow so they will continue to support their team. I suspect their biggest problem in getting mobilised though, is that a lot of them now seem to have their tolerance threshholds set pretty high after some of the previous shenanigans at hearts and so they just sigh and put up with it.
73

Hibs fc,

7-0 it was a game to cherish. so was the 6 - 2 th 18/12/2007 15:31:13
I dont beat about the bush, I'd love to see hearts fall, why because of the brain-dead fans that enlighten the forum, you deserve all that comes your way.......
74

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:34:43
#91 As opposed to, what, your supreme intelligence and wit?

If you really are a football fan, you'd actually praise Hearts fans. They have done what fans are supposed to do - continue supporting the team on the park, in the main, wihtout fail and in the face of problems no other fans in Scotland have ever encountered. Compare that to Hibees starting to turn on John Collins after half a season and tell me who the true football fans are...
75

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 15:35:54
The good thing is that finally there is agreement that the club is going in the wrong direction under Romanov. We now need the whole Hearts family - former greats, fans representatives etc to work together to force the tyrant out of our beloved club. It's not going to be easy but it's a worth a fight isn't it?
76

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 15:42:24
#94

bet you are the type that finished every post with BELIEVE a year ago. Probably bought the tee shirt and now wear it under your lammies so noone can see it.
Putting WE NEED A MANAGER at the end of every post is very 'insightful comment and reasoned debate' and 'a bit of sharp humour in with your well thought-out points' - NOT!
77

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 15:44:15
lammies - meant jammies (before I get jumped on)
78

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:47:43
#93 That's not the solution. Without Romanov there may well be no "beloved club" so if you're happy with some version of Hearts FC starting again in non-league and working up, which I wouldn't be totally unhappy with, then fine. However, a far better first step is to get clear messages across, eg get the team sorted out on the park which is what football is all about, and find a compromise in the short term. Rome wasn't built in a day and if Romanov is serious about a long-term plan, which off the field he seems to be, then we can't try to get him out. We should be able to get the message across that his long-term ambitions are good but we have a good squad of players who could easily finish further up the league if allowed to.

Bednar's success at West Brom is the best indication yet of what is wrong on the playing side. They gave him time to get fit, played him in the reserves and got him into the team slowly - at Hearts no player is allowed to develop within the team and get match fit. What incentive is there for players at Hearts to get fit if no matter how hard they work, the team is not picked on merit.
79

Another voice,

18/12/2007 15:48:31
There are many ways to hit vlad, the key is to be organised and do it all at once.

Example: Opening of UBIG bank. Open a bank account, lodge the initial £1 or whatever. Then every day send in the post (recorded if you want) 2p to the bank manager to deposit into your bank account. Because it is a cash deposit through the post the financial regulators make the recipient fill out a ton of paper work.

Example: mad vlad and his kilt, get him to the final, the vote en-mass for his opponent. Think he maybe a bit red faced after that.

The hearts support encompases people from every walk of life from parking attendants to company CEO's to shop workers to IT developers. Id each person could use their skill to disrup vlads operations slightly then he would notice.
80

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:50:53
#97 Hearts fans have realised the situation since Burley's sacking, so you're not making sense. No-one expected that and no-one really expected the situation could continue. Just because fans continue to go along to games doesn't mean they're happy with certain ways the club is run. Look at the Scotland national team as another example - we're usually rubbish, win nothing, are run by the muppets of the SFA yet have a massive travelling support. We like our football here and its a hard habit to break.
81

Lenny,

18/12/2007 15:51:50
Serious question to the Hearts fans. Dont you think that you should tread carefully when planning boycots or protests etc? Cause the bottom line is that Romanov has Hearts by the short n curlies and who knows what he could be capable of if he gets too p*ssed off.

82

Jim Baxter,

Alicante 18/12/2007 15:55:59
Its time the fans got a meeting with Romanov and put over their points of view regarding the way Hearts are run.He should be left in NO doubt that Season tickets will not be bought unless certain matters are sorted out by him. New Manager with complete control of team selection, players to be sold off and new players brought in.The worst thing to happen to Hearts was one man put in total control of all matters concerning the Club.Nobody carries the power to go against him.Romanov might have saved the Hearts a few years back but what he is doing now is making Hearts the laughing stock of the SPL and the fans of the other clubs are enjoying every bit of it.
83

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:56:28
#102 That's what this whole discussion and article is about, or would be if the more inbred section of the Hibs support didn't keep sticking their oar in.
84

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:03:59
#103I'm not sure if we are the laughing stock. Celtic's defeat to caley was infinitely worse than any Hearts result this season, as was Rangers complete capitulation against Lyon - considering the Old Firm's massive relative resources.

At the end of the day Rangers needed a last minute own goal from nowhere to win against us at Ibrox, with Hearts playing well enough in the second half to just about deserve a point and could even have sneaked a win. And that was without our two best, most influential playes this season - Stewart and Kingston, not to mention all the other changes. If you're going to have a go at a team - have a go at Rangers. That's why Hearts fans are so frustrated - the OF are there for the taking if only we could get a consistent team.

This team is probably what a decent manager would pick without being able to sign new players:

Banks
Neilson Berra Tall Goncalves/Wallace
Kingston Stewart Johnsson Driver
Bednar Pinilla/Velicka

It's more than capable of doing well in this leage.
85

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 16:06:19
SO I was right , you do have a BELIEVE tee shirt under your jammies.

I do however agree you need a manager of some pedigree and may need to take some drastic steps to shake your owner up and make him understand the distress he is causing as I'm sure he doesn't really understand the feeling Scots have to their clubs.
Maybe a boycott but with 13k + seasons, financially it won't hit him. Better boycotting next years seasons as previously posted.
86

Des' Dad,

18/12/2007 16:09:19
#102
It's way past that now. I for one don't care one jot what Romanov does if there is a protest movement. He needs to be shown that the Fans are no longer prepared to see their team being ridiculed and vilified and if he is not prepared to change then we will gladly accept the consequences even if that means starting afresh in the bottom division.
87

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 16:09:53
106 that's no how ye spell leeg,
88

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:11:31
#109 - see #104
89

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 16:21:46
sweet fa - you make some very good points.

I just get so frustrated with football fans. I said here ages ago that I was sorry to see Bednar go as I thought he was our best striker and it seemed mad. Just as sending Beslija and Pinilla (last season) away on loans just when they were starting to perform made no sense. Lots of people came on here with the usual - "Bednar is over-rated, glad to see the back of him" etc. Now that he's looking like a top striker in the Championship they are all praising him. Why can't people be honest with themselves? The answer is that football is their religion and they are blinded by loyalty - Hearts player good, ex-Hearts player bad.

Several people have been here in recent weeks saying that they honestly believe that the current squad is as good as two years ago. Who are they kidding? I'll answer my own question again - themselves but not me.
90

Lenny,

18/12/2007 16:35:08
# 104

Inbred? What a lovely chap you sound. You clearly do not have the intelligence or are too bigoted to have a discussion with a fan from another club. Pretty sad really.

Anyway, I was making a valid point. I have read these comments and everyone is demanding this and that. However, hardly anyone is discussing the possible repercussions that any protest could have.
91

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:36:11
#112 I'm on who thinks the squad is better than under Burley, but that's not to say I wouldn't rather have Burley here. The fact is he himself was constantly saying he needed to strengthen the squad. I think we now have more, and better, options out wide, we have young players coming through, including more than adequate replacements fo the tiring Pressley and Hartley, and more options than just Brellier in the defensive midfield role. the only area we're weaker in is in goal. Also up fron although we should be able to get a good partnership from Velicka, Nade, makela, Psospisil, Pinilla and Bednar - all good strikers if only someone would coach and pick them. We basically had just 3 strikers under Burley. And Kingston has the most quality of any football player I've seen at Hearts. Much better than Skacel and Hartley.

Forget about Burley. Read Southampton boards for some of the rumours about him and does no-one else think it's odd he's not featuring higher up in the odds for the Scotland job and touted by journalists?
92

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:40:51
#113 What makes you think I referred to you? The fact no protest has taken place should indicate that there is fear over what the repercussions could be.

Hearts fans are damned if they do and damned if they don't these days. The booing of Romanov's selections and substitutions was a form of protest, yet hearts fans were lambasted for it.
93

Jim Baxter,

Alicante 18/12/2007 16:41:19
106 I take your point but I still feel we are now the joke of the SPl.Romanov promised so much when he first took over we all had faith in what he said,but in actual fact he has produced very little.If we had a team playing on a regular basis we might do something but with all the tinkering etc its little wonder we are in the position that we are in now.The defence is losing on average 2 goals a game which is bad and the strickers we have are not getting 2 goals a game. So there is something far from right with the team. The fans pay good money to watch the Hearts and they are not getting a fair deal far from it.I feel the jersey means very little to a lot of players playing for the Hearts. A good clear out is required coaches and players alike .We are doing nothing this Season lets get ready for next Season starting in January.
94

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 16:43:26
#112 I agree that the squad is bigger but I don't share your rose (maroon) coloured view. I said in the summer the current squad would struggle to finish top 6 - almost halfway now and they are 8th 5 points off 2nd bottom. In the Burley season they were top of the league at this point. Opinions are one thing but I'm afriad that football is a results business.
95

Lenny,

18/12/2007 16:51:11
Moth

Cheers mate, honestly didnt see it like that. He refered to my comment so I took it as such.

Yeah, the people who just comment to cause trouble and wind people up are a right pain in the ass. Why I dont comment so much these days.

96

Granton Gadgie,

The Shire 18/12/2007 16:52:42
The problem is... Vlad just can't see there is a problem.

ps. To all you wee tumshie heids fae fester Road.. wibble!
97

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:55:32
#118 Fair enough, but I disagree. As I said Burley felt his squad was very lightweight. It was also much older, with jankauskis, Fyssas, Hartly, Pressley, even Skacel and Brellier, being older than Kingston and Stewart (we have a very young team now which is often overlooked). The only wide option we had was Mikolunus. And, as I said, we were thin up front. That team would not have stayed together under Burley if he lasted to a second season. What Burley proved was that if you get good players who play as a team you can challenge in Scotland.

It's not the players that are the problem just now, it's the coaching structure. We need someone to put his arm round Pinilla, (for example - could have been Bednar) and say "You're a good player son, keep working hard to get fit, we'll give you some reserve games, then a bench spot for a cup tie, then ten mins as sub in a league game, then half an hour, then a starting spot if you do well enough". I feel sorry for the players even if they are earning lots of dosh.
98

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 18/12/2007 16:56:20
Frustration is at epedemic levels, but how to convince Vlad to shange his ways, is open to debate.
Can I just say to Newcastle Jambo, that it's sad, that you take something good out of Hearts supporters decisions to stay away.
You quit very early chum,probably one of the first to jump on your scarf.
The rest of us, the ones who've held out thus far, are really digging deep at times' so pack in this keech "I can hear the sound of heads popping out of the sand".
Our heads have not been in any sand, we have endured, what you were and are incapable of, namely, a difficult period.
There's a final straw for everyone, but right now, I'm hanging in and supporting the team that runs out onto the park every Saturday.
As for "kickback" Who do they actually represent? How many of them are signing up for this "boycott"?
I'm curious to see what moves Romanov makes in this coming "window",unfortunately, I am of the opinion, that he's got so distracted by fann*ing about in a tuxedo, that he's gotten side tracked.
Give up on the dancing Vlad, before a substantial number of fans, give up on you at the end of this season.
99

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 16:56:31
Aside from the fact that there is no leadership, motivation or effective decision making from coaching staff (as they are not allowed to do their jobs), a key difference in the playing staff from 2 years ago is in the lack of influential players in key roles:
* Gordon, Pressley and Webster - so solid together at the back and hard to beat
* Hartley, Brellier and Skacel - a great combination and almost 40 goals between 2 attacking midfielders
* Bednar and Jankauskis - when both were fit and motivated they looked a great partnership.

I'd say we have decent players in Berra, Stewart and Kingston, possibly Zaliukas and Tall and the rest are unremarkable and some who regularly get a game are literally Third Division standard . There is no consistency in selection and therefore no partnerships, no understanding, no team spirit, no motivation and an obvious lack of match fitness / sharpness throughout the squad.

It's not easy to see what's going wrong and how to put it right but apparently Romanov is very happy with the structure and the football side of the club. This from the man who expected Hearts to win the SPL this season. You really couldn't make it up.
100

Semper vigilo,

Glenrothes 18/12/2007 16:56:49
I never knew there were so many alleged supporters.
Having followed Hearts for over 50 years those who advocate boycotts are a disgrace - how does that help the club or players ? You SUPPORT a Club through good and bad times - that's the test of a true supporter -not like some it appears.
101

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 17:01:25
#123 fair point and I admire your resiliance in the face of adversity.

As I've said many times, I have supported the team through thick and thin in the past - it's the way the club is being run that I can no longer tolerate. It's not a football club anymore, it's a money-making vehicle for a tyrant who treats the fans with utter contempt.
102

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 17:02:42
#124 Don't forget Driver, and Neilson was an ever-present under Burley. And Velicka is proving much, much more effective than Jankauskis.
103

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 17:05:47
#128 fair points. Neilson was the weak link under Burley though to be fair. Driver and Johnnson are good products of the youth policy at the club - as are Neilson, Berra, Wallace and Elliot and a few more coming through the ranks. I don't thank Romanov for that - he's incredibly lucky that they are in the squad.
104

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 17:13:39
Anyway, I'm off home.

"you don't know what you're doing".

Go on, gi'us a manager for Christmas.

105

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 17:26:54
Every time I hear No.16's name read out I know there is something wrong at Hearts, I can understand why Tall no longer gets a game, but there are others who have been left to rot whilst others seemingly get preferential treatment.
Even the Lithuanian national manager knows training at Hearts isnt good enough, who ever heard of a team with 3 managers, we even proved this in much different times 2 doesnt worked with McDonald and Jardine.
106

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 17:57:34
Two words - Jim Jeffries.

The best thing Romanov can do for the team and his reputation is to admit his current strategy can't work in the short or long-term and re-appoint a Hearts legend. Jeffries and Billy Brown, with Frail as coach, would soon whip these players into a team. Bring back Jimbo.
107

The Jambo,

18/12/2007 18:11:13
133# Would be great to get them back, but they would last 1 day. Jim and Billy would not stand to be told what to do.
Still do not think we will get a decent manager until Vlad puts his hands up and says i no longer will pick the team my manager will.
Think Santa will not bring that one this year!!!!
I still wonder why Leslie Deans has not commented. Surely he could be the man as such, to speak to Vlad.
Just a suggestion.
108

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 18:12:23
#133 two words - pure mince!
lol
109

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 18:13:36
#133 It's jim davison you need, not jim jeffers.
lmao.
110

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 18:14:07
NewcastleJambo:
You seem to be enjoying recent events and this "I Told you so" attitude is wrong. It's not a case of we hate Romanov like you do. A lot of Hearts fans in fact the majority i know would still support Romanov. It's his interfering we do not agree and the fact he seems to be doing nothing to replace the three stooges. If he stopped this interference and got in a good manager and allowed him to get on with the job we would all be happy.

Just one question for you NJ. IF the fans got what they want (New manager and no interference from Vlad) and we turned it around and became the team we have the potential to be, and say maybe win a cup challenge for the league etc. Will you still denounce Romanov?

Because Since day one you have done nothing in any post i have ever seen your write whether it be here or on the BBC, except call for Romanov's head. I think i have yet to read a positive post from you.Even when we have won a game.
111

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 18:14:21
maybe spelt davidson,
still lmao.
112

LyonHearts,

le teil 18/12/2007 18:18:39
#22 Nobody is happy with 9th 10th or 11th place! Hearts fans deserve a top 3 finish at least!

Something has to be done and although am no in Embra these days I follow the Jambos news everyday! I support some sort of protest as VR is just letting the club drift!

Frail is not a top manager or even a top coach and we are like a ship without a rudder! I don't blame players who want to leave! It's a shambles that he has got to put right or face the full wrath of Hearts supporters everywhere!
113

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 18:18:48
Hibs FC are you still waiting for the special bus to take you home?

I noticed a few days ago you didnt reply to my posts regarding stats between hearts and hibs over the years when you started your rubbish about big team etc and hibs famous achievements. was this because you don't have the intelligence to think of anything original or come up with true fact, or is it because you know you'd lost that argument regarding who actually is the bigger team. IMO it's a combination of both.

Wait till daddy comes home and finds you playing on his computer again you'll be grounded.
114

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 18:22:16
This came up 12 months or so ago and I was very vocal in saying needed to give Romanov more time to prove himself and recognise the significant input he had made.

However in the last year with Miko starting regularly, with some very average players getting games ahead of those we know can perform more consistently, with inept managers, I think some form of protest is needed. We are 8th in the league, around a handful of points off being 2nd bottom and very lucky that Gretna are in this division.
115

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 18:25:51
Oh yes and Watsons comment on it being a knee jerk reaction is hilarious. Longest, most consistent knee jerk in history.
116

no chance,

edinburgh 18/12/2007 18:28:47
I cant see romanov ever changing the way he runs hearts and I dont think boycoting the gretna game would make any diference. He should have been up front about the way he was going to run the club when he bought it instead he brought in Burley under false pretencies and we all beleived the crxp he was spouting. Since Burley left it has been down hill all the way (apart from scrapeing a win in the final against the mighty gretna). The team has been dismanteld and filled with over paid player picked by romanov. As I said I would not boycot games instead we should resurect the SAVE OUR HEARTS campaign and be vocal about letting this ego maniac know what we think of him.
117

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 18:29:01
Demonstration's outside Tynecastle over the course of a weekend when we have a home fixture. Starting on the Friday night Hearts fans should turn up at around 5.30pm onwards and demonstrate, then the saturday before the game with placards of something of that nature being shown in the ground, then another demo outside after the match. This would generate huge publicity from the Friday night onwards. It would be a first stage in sending Romanov the message then further demos or even boycots could then be brought in if it got that far which hopefully it wouldnt.
118

victor ian,

18/12/2007 18:39:43
#123 scorchio and #137 gorgie's finest, both excellent points there.

newcastle jambo seems to be revelling in the upturn in unrest that has occurred in the past couple of weeks. whether he cares to admit it or not, he's got the look of someone who believes he's been proved right, and is enjoying some kind of personal victory.

well said scorchio, the die-hard backers of the current regime do so because they are prepared to give it every last conceivable chance, to go the extra mile. it's most definitely not a case of long buried heads coming firing out of the sand with a loud popping sound.

some people, and i definitely don't include newcastle jambo in this, are able to take each individual issue at any given point in time and make a judgement on it. even the most die-hard of romanov regime backers openly admit that there are serious failings at the club and that drastic change needs to take place, however that in no way means that we have to completely denounce the whole thing as a failed exercise, and that romanov should be driven out.

folk like newcastle jambo only see things in black and white, totally good or completely bad, craig levein or gordon hunter. fair enough, people are obviously entitled to their own thought processes and all that, but i just can't see how it helps us to start running around the place in a panic.

surely it's better to deal with troubling times in a calm and measured manner. having read through the posts above, there are quite a few thinking along the same lines as myself that protest action is more likely to do harm than it is to do any good. there may well be a form of action which would have the desired effect, in theory, and not upset the hierarchy.

what we have to do is keep debating the issues and see if anyone can produce the spark of genius to come up with the right path for us to follow.

WE NEED ONE OF THEM MANAGER CHAVVIES.

119

Taras Shevchenko,

18/12/2007 19:01:10
133 sweet f a,

Two words - Good Idea.
120

The Jambo,

18/12/2007 19:05:20
Is anyone going to be in Lithuania for Vlad's final of Strictly Come Dancing.
If so go to the programme, get in the crowd with a Hearts flag Write on it We need a manager.
Wonder what he would do.
Sure someone could get someone to do that.
121

Lionheart Fodithman,

home 18/12/2007 19:15:23
Victor..you are gonna have to come down of ah that fence.
We are at crisis point and judging by the majority of Jambos posting today and yesterday we are all sick of it.
I understand the fear that if Vlad scarpers of we will be in the mire but can you honestly see us getting out of this mess.It is obvious the man has no feeling for the club.
Perhaps this newspaper in its public spiritedness could organise some sort of poll on potential season tickets for next year and forward on the results to tynecastle.

WE NEED A GAFFER
122

busbyfh,

18/12/2007 19:21:17
# 85

Newcastle....................

Not renewed your 06/07 season ticket.

I recall on the BBC boards you said you hardly ever get a chance to see Hearts and you would not go even if you could do.
Either hallucinating or lying - Take your choice.
Your stock would take a jump up to partially believable proportions if you ever remembered what porkies you told.
Remember - a liar requires a damned good memory.

Any answer would be interesting - After you have passed a polygraph test of course.
123

busbyfh,

18/12/2007 19:26:38
Do I need to post anything to actually state...............................................................................................................WE NEED MANAGER


NOT VLAD PICKING THE TEAM........................................................................................................................SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS ABOUT FOOTBALL
124

Jim Baxter,

Alicante 18/12/2007 19:31:04
125 Its your right to write what you think,but just because you say you have been a Hearts fan for 50 years doesnt give you the right to say, the fans that write about the way the Hearts is run are not true supporters. they probably think more of the Hearts than you do thats why they want to make a stand against the way the Hearts are run.If you are happy to see Hearts way down the league and the way things are at Tynecastle thats your choice. BUT NOT THAT OF A TRUE HEARTS FAN.
125

victor ian,

18/12/2007 19:32:07
#148 LF, i'm not on a fence mate. i'm still a backer of the regime but i'm as dismayed as the next jambo about the team selection and management issues. that's what i was on about - it's possible to take separate issues and deal with them on an individual basis.

good idea about a poll. it would have to be on a better basis than just getting website members to post replies to set questions 'cos, as we all know, there are regular posters of a greener persuasion who will gleefully hijack it and turn it into a farce. even a blanket e-mail wouldn't do it, it's not representative enough of the fan base. it would be nice to see the results of a scientifically conducted poll though, not done by hearts.

look at what we have learned about romanov so far.

* he doesn't recognise constructive criticism, to him all criticism is borne out of other agendas.
* he has an inflated opinion of his own abilities in more or less every field.
* he has virtually no respect for anyone else alive, no matter what their credentials are for a particular job.
* he's as ruthless as a big bag of.... ruthless things.
* he operates in a military style mindset of hierarchy and subordinates.
* he doesn't tolerate insubordination.

if he doesn't listen to qualified football people, what makes anyone think he will pay any attention to supporters.
let's not kid ourselves here, he's almost certain to hold supporters in the same contempt as he does with other groups and individuals.

we need lateral thinking.

126

what a chancer,

abdn 18/12/2007 19:43:51
Look the problem is above frail nobody would drop in form players,my guess is he wants the players to do well then sell,but if you dont play competitive regularly we see a drop in form,he can handle wages so this can only embarrass him now with his staff in the stand.
127

madrab,

edinburgh 18/12/2007 19:45:52
How much do Hearts now owe to this mans bank?

What happens if he should decide to walk away and wants his money back?
128

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 19:57:24
#140 - get a life i'm not on about stats i'm on about league positions you are eighth, im on about players you've got nicksy, dont give me stats dating back 120 years thats for fruitcakes.
we are hibernian fc we hate jamtarts and we hate dundee!!!! stats haha, look how near the famous hearts are to distinction
i'm a hibby and loving it!!!!
by by jambo's!!!!
forgot you beat us 10-2 when haha.
im talking now, when did you last beat us, last season right!!!!
129

the boke,

18/12/2007 19:59:40
Hearts Empty Ampitheartre Ruins Top Sportsclub!
Jolly Jam tarts are set to "do a RAT-ics" and boycott the incumbant loss making imbecile out of power and sweep in a white knight to the rescue.
1. Whos is your Fergus?
2. This is a guy who does not have to depend on the income(?) from the club to make ends meet. I agree with the fans chief. Caution tarties! I think given the idiocy of your current owners actions that you are in fact being played. Vlad the mad could in fact be Vlad the glad if he could use fan action to bankrupt the club, fire sale the players and then tynecastle and finally sell the franchise to the desperate remnants of the support. Remember if he got £25m for tynecastle he can clear most of the debt (held by his bank and earning him effectively £4m a year, where is the incentive to lower the debt?) he can then sell the franchise to a consortium of high Edinburgh rollers for £25m more. Great business if you ask me. Dont mess with the Russian mafia.
130

OhErnieErnie,

18/12/2007 20:00:29
Knee jerk reaction. Come on Mr. Watson, this has been brewing since George Burley got the heave ho for presumably throwing Vlad's faxes where they belong in the bin. Okay, with the odd exception i.e. 4-0 v the Hibs at Hampden.
I'll be interested to see what happens in January when it comes to signing new players. How many more Stephen Hughes will there be, preferring to play for someone who knows his football like Mark McGhee rather than mad Vlad?
The fans might as well boycott Vlad because I reckon most quality players will soon be doing the same if things keep on going the same way.

131

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 20:02:03
You hearts fans are BIGGER duds than your team!!!!
BELIEVERS HA!!!!
YOUVE BEEN RIPPED APART FROM VLAD!!!
132

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 20:05:07
VLADIMIR shouts jump - you lot 13.000 of you shout back!!!!
HOW HIGH SIR!!!!
133

victor ian,

18/12/2007 20:12:51
#155 hibs fc, you don't need to keep proving what a prize plum you are, we all know all about you already.

i suggest a new task for you to occupy yourself with before the men in white coats come to put you back in your soft cell. learn the difference between and the meanings of the words distinction and extinction.

let's start you off with extinction - the rest of your sub species is extinct, therefore they have gone through extinction. you are sadly a remnant.

134

Lionheart Fodithman,

18/12/2007 20:28:10
Victor.I agree with you about the seperate issues mate but only because i cant see Vlad jackin it in untill he is good and ready no matter what we do.
I still reckon the media is our best tool though.
All the while boycotts and protest and general unhappyness are being spouted through sites like these then i am sure he must act.
As for season ticket sales for next season i dont think that we need to threaten anything regards this because if we dont get A MANAGER soon no amount of spin will convince the masses that anything is going to change anyway.

WE NEED A MANAGER
135

Weel Kent Jambo,

Scottish Borders 18/12/2007 20:35:15
#156 - Maybe we need to start wooing Donald Trump seeing as how is so keen to get involved in Scotland these days?

#155 - So that means you've beaten us once in the last five league games - and you're bragging about it. See, we can all do selective stats son.
136

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 20:40:42
Ta Ta the mr know it all mouthpiece has arrived.

137

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 20:43:38
victor <<< the guy who's mammy gets new socks (2pair + a hearts multi-colour scarf) for santa to hand him every year

while the chief!!!
138

victor ian,

18/12/2007 20:49:11
hibs fc, you are a tragic waste of an internet connection. there are thousands of bright, keen & deserving wee kids out there that would vastly benefit from having it instead of you, but alas they are not able to have one for whatever reason.

such are the cruel inequities of life.

139

Mastermind.,

18/12/2007 21:14:42
Notice it's the same face corral, same crap coming from the backward kids, post 166 victor ian you spend your life trolling these threads for a story to mouth about, i've a feeling you are a scientist who's life has gone horribly wrong one way or another, i'd love to sketch a picture of you, i've got my own image in my head, Anyway back to the famous soccer debate, hibs are going tru a bad patch admittedly, but not half as bad as the the team in brown from gorgie,
and as a hibs fan i'd be delighted to see hearts go from bad to worse, not for the actual team but the stupid fans, who talk babcock on this forum, they deserve all that's going there way.
140

Way Out West,

18/12/2007 21:29:12
#157, quality players at Tynecastle? Don't make me laugh! Hearts can't even find a quality manager!!!

I will be very surprised if Fail - oops, Frail - is still at Tynecastle come the end of the season. I predict that he will walk sometime in the new year.
141

Alek Ahauf,

18/12/2007 21:34:23
I have been on a " Vlad out" hunger strike for a week.
Fluids ( best or 80 bob)and no solids!! well just wafer thin ham because that doesnt count.
I have taken to my bed and will not get up till we have change ( hopefully soon as im begining to crack the crust and the wife would be livid if i deposited a chutney molehill on the new mattress)
Point is STV are not interested and no camera crews have shown up....... should i continue??
142

leith keely,

sunny leith 18/12/2007 21:34:48
#135 one word- guffbag!.
143

6rabbits,

penicuik 18/12/2007 22:11:10
Lets face it im no Jambo but if Burley was still there we would not be talking about Hearts in 8th or boycottes but although i feel for Frail he is getting his money easily if things go wrong shrug the shoulders and blame the foreign management you are no Chelsea forget this player rotation and go back to basics
144

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 23:42:55
It's a shame all these idiotic hibs fans will never experience the ultimate high of winning a major trophy. Or even better, winning a major trophy and watching your derby rivals being relegated in the same season. No matter how bad we are you will never experience that ultimate feeling and happiness HAHA.

Hearts = Edinburgh's Big team
Hibs = Edinburgh's wee team

145

Hearts or maybe ex hearts fan,

19/12/2007 00:48:01
Hearts = 8th

Lets not knock Hibs, because at least they have it together at the moment - I'm a hearts fan, and I would love a manager like John Colin's right now.

146

alan smith,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 01:46:16
i agree with Lenny here guys, think you really need to watch you don't p!ss this idiot of a boss you have off too much afterall if he decides he has had enough what happens then? will anyone buy a club in so much debt? i can't see it to be honest, think you guys shouldn't boycott though because as someone has already said on the post your hurting the club and the players what about starting off with a big bannar saying tht you've had enough right across the stand opposite Vlads seat when the game is live on tv here and in Lithuania Hearts V Hibs on the 19th of January maybe a good date. just an idea from a hibs fan who would like to see two strong edinburgh teams in the SPL (although at the rate the two of us are dropping we both may have to put up with best in the first div) ;)


oh and lastly grow up mixu and Hibs fc you make the rest of us look F#¤kin stupid
147

jamtart,

Beechboro 19/12/2007 07:02:02
Never mind just the grena game boycott all home games(save your money and go to the away games) until this pr#ck lets the manager pick the team.This man likes money hit him in the pocket.Get rid of this bullsh@t rotation policy and let the team get some stability.Get Banks in goal and send the other two clowns to the dole office.Nade get him fit or get him out.Velicka scores, is not injured and gets taken off,@####
ps make sure to check out Vlad's new 50Mil stadium on the Scotsman site,the man has some good idea's but jesus we need a team and a manager in full control first then a stadium.
148

jamtart,

Beechboro 19/12/2007 07:03:14
sorry Gretna
149

Johnny Jambo,

19/12/2007 08:06:29
"A number of Hearts fans feel it is time for Romanov etc etc"
How true this is, although A number of us have been against him from almost the start. I am not sure a boycott will make any difference though this man is too thick skinned to care about what the fans think. A boycott will be staged and he wil bring out the "new stand" card again.
Incidentally that one went quiet again fairly quickly did it npot after it being all over the papers last week and now not a mention. Strange?????
150

Taras Shevchenko,

19/12/2007 08:30:03
#178 you're right JJ - the new stand card is wearing thin....

Since Hearts used to first play at the meadows - why don't we meet there and march from the meadows to Tynecastle before home games?
151

Hibernian fc ,

19/12/2007 10:22:20
crazy going-ons
152

Riley Hamish,

Edina 19/12/2007 16:19:43

Chr1st.......just how much sh1t are you jambos gonna take from this megalomaniac. You need to get aff yer collective 4rses and get something done....and as for fear of "upsetting" MadVlad....get an F'ing life....yer havin' a laugh aintcha??
Oh.....Sorry.....it's MadVlad that's havin' the laugh......at YOU JAMBOS !!
Happy wi' that are you?
153

Hibs fc,

19/12/2007 22:05:48
EIGHT weeks without fletcher, going to be tough,

which team in 1973 hammered there bitterest rivals 7 - 0,
on there home ground,
a feat never again been achieved in world foorball

 

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