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Published Date: 17 November 2009
ORGANISERS of the 2014 Commonwealth Games have insisted their lasting benefits will far outweigh rising costs, after they were forced to pump in an extra £81 million, taking the budget to £454m.
Read the opinion of Lord Smith, chairman of the Games organising committee, here

The Scottish Government, Glasgow City Council and the Games Organising Committee yesterday announced they had had to plug a funding gap caused by an increase in broadcasting and staffing costs. It followed a budget review by the organising committee, which had put the initial cost at £373m.

The increase – making the Games £23m more expensive than the cost of building the Scottish Parliament – was described as "appalling" by the Scottish Conservatives' deputy leader Murdo Fraser.

"This is every bit as bad as we feared and it is no wonder people believe that every single public works programme runs over-budget," he said. "At any moment, it would be a problem, but in these difficult economic times, it is simply appalling."

Of the extra cash, £59m is coming from the Scottish Government, £9m from Glasgow City Council and £13m from the organising committee.

Two years have passed since Glasgow beat Nigerian capital Abuja to host the event, which will be held over 11 days, starting with an opening ceremony on 23 July, 2014. Thousands of athletes and officials will stay in an athletes' village in the east end of the city, which is to also to be home to a new national indoor sports arena and velodrome.

Speaking at Hampden Park yesterday, Lord Smith, the Games chairman, insisted: "This organising committee is committed to running a tight ship.

"We understand fully our responsibilities to the taxpayer, as well as the athletes, spectators and other stakeholders in the Games. None of the Games' partners want a position to emerge where the budget keeps creeping up over the period between now and 2014, so we have approached this exercise with a desire to be as realistic as possible.

"We are all united in the belief that these Games can be the catalyst for significant change, and that they will generate enormous sporting, social and economic benefits for the whole of Scotland." Lord Smith said broadcasting costs had increased "dramatically" due to advances in technology, such as the introduction of high definition. This had been compounded by the failure so far to sell the domestic rights to the BBC.

He went on: "Previous Games have been able to offset the host broadcast costs against the sale proceeds for the domestic rights. At this stage, the organising committee has been unable to engage the BBC on this basis and, with the current categorisation of the Commonwealth Games as a 'B-list' event, is unlikely to be able to secure another domestic broadcaster. In effect, the Commonwealth Games is viewed as a 'BBC event'."

Organisers said an extra 100 staff would be needed to help host the Games, taking the total to between 950 and 1,000, and putting an extra strain on costs.

Since the bid was finalised, companies are now also legally required to pay compulsory pension contributions to all staff. The rise in staffing costs was estimated at £8.8m, while the specialist support provided by people involved in previous Games required an extra £5m.

The contingency fund is being increased from £40m to £60m, to cover risks associated with hosting the Games, such as the conversion of Hampden into an athletics track.

An additional £20m has been also set aside by the Scottish Government as a special reserve to ensure no future budget increases. First Minister Alex Salmond said: "The budget increases are going to be challenging, but they are necessary. It means we can guarantee the successful delivery of the Games."

Glasgow City Council leader Steven Purcell said: "I'm disappointed that we found ourselves in this position. I'm certain that this is necessary if we are to stage a Games that will leave a lasting legacy."

Mr Salmond said: "Bringing the Games to Glasgow will boost business, tourism, infrastructure and regenerate the city. Of course, this funding represents an enormous commitment to Glasgow, but the benefits and value will be felt throughout Scotland."

Liberal Democrat sports spokesman Ross Finnie said: "What Scotland cannot afford now is for question marks to be raised over the future of these Games. Everyone in Scotland is committed to delivering a top-class Games, but it must be done at the right price."

Key questions

Why did you bank on the BBC buying it?

"As a publicly funded event, one that seems a BBC event, one that the BBC itself said to the Davis commission ranked alongside the World Cup, the Olympics and the European Championship as one of the key events, we don't think that is unreasonable." – Alex Salmond.

Why did you underestimate staffing costs – pensions, number of people, etc?

"(There were] employers' pension contributions (now a statutory requirement] and relocation allowances to recruit certain specialist skills. Also, the organising committee's analysis of Melbourne's actual staffing levels (for the 2006 Games, available only after the bid was finalised] suggests staff numbers require to be increased." – Press briefing.

Why do we need a contingency fund for the contingency fund?

"To allow for the unexpected and the unknowable aspect." – Alex Salmond.

Will you need more money?

"I don't see it. But if you look at the Olympics in London, with a 400 per cent overspend, even Beijing with 75 per cent overspend, we have gone to a lot of trouble to bottom out what this core budget will be and I think we should be able to live with it.

"These events are five years away and strange things happen. I would be very disappointed if we eat much into that contingency but, if we do, I will be absolutely devastated if we can't do it within that contingency" – Lord Smith, chairman of Games Organising Committee.


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1

Justin Timbercake,

16/11/2009 22:40:57
Salmond needs to pull the plug on this now or at least cut back on some of the extravagant options being pursued.

Why should the taxpayer be paying to upgrade Celtic Park for the opening ceremony for example?

Why can't Hampden be used? It is being used for the closing ceremony so it must already be fit to hold it.
2

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/11/2009 23:00:03
BBC. Say no more. Broon's Broadcasting Corporation.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 00:09:38

It looks like the 2014 Commonwealth Games have prematurely started, as the runaway costs are exceeding all expectation.

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 17/11/2009 00:19:34
'.. was described as "appalling" by the Scottish Conservatives' deputy leader Murdo Fraser.'

Because none of the largesse had greased the fat palm of his Murdoness, or he'd hae said it was wonderful and marvelous.
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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 00:22:11
So what!
How much is the Inner London regeneration project (Olympics) costing the Scottish tax payer?
Already we have seen 250 million getting stolen from Scottish lottery project and charities. The Scottish tax payer has shelled out for the rebuilding of the New Wembley. It was supposed to have cost 290 million, but ended up costing 790 million!!! The UK government stepped in to help pay for it, and the Lottery was raided.
So as usual the Scottish tax payer pays out for jobs for the boys in England.

How much money did the UK government give to the SRU and the SFA get for the refurbishment of Murrayfield and Hamden???

Another union dividend.
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Jose Hartley,

17/11/2009 00:36:11
Why is this not surprising...? Funny how they never seem to under-estimate costs... And are we really to believe that the extra staff and TV costs for a two-week event are that high?
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Handsome Scotsman,

Stirling 17/11/2009 00:37:35

I fail to see the point in comparing the costs of the Scottish Parliment with the Commenwealth Games.

Other than to try and whip up some public frenzy against the games.

£2.5 billion wasted on invading Afghanistan, or £100 billion on New Trident, or £500 billion on creating the database state, all sound like bigger wastes of public dosh.
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17/11/2009 00:47:21
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Handsome Scotsman,

17/11/2009 00:50:59
Oh no,
Here he is again with his massive copy and paste routines.



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17/11/2009 00:51:41
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danbob,

17/11/2009 00:51:44
5# Anna. Get a handle on reality. Wembly was part funded by the lottery but the biggest slice of the £904 million was paid for by the english FA. Now repeat after me 5 million scots in a nation of 60 million do not pay for everything. The english always have and always will pay the lions share.
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danbob,

17/11/2009 00:52:53
5# Thats including bailing out Scotlands sh**e banks.
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17/11/2009 00:53:45
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Alice Cooper,

17/11/2009 01:00:19
so does this glasgow is being ripped off as stated by labour last week?
why does the DTI give you the reply"not in the public interest" when you ask for the exact amount of revenue ,which the north sea has produced since 1975?
and where its all been spent?
#9 have you added the millions that whitehall and the MOD get that the gov doesnt count in the cash given to london?
why are giro joes paid more in london,yet asda is cheeper in gravesend than edinburgh?,given the london rate is what its called,yet we are supposed to be equal
civel servants getting travel subs for travelling the same distance as edinburgh-glasgow or vice versa
yet scots ones dont get it
or are we scots just farting against thunder when we say give us the same amount?,fund our sporting events like londons?
nae chance far easier to lie to us
well if we cost the english so much give us our freedom,and what comes out the north sea ,but for some reason london would rather hold onto that revenue for some reason
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danbob,

17/11/2009 01:06:25
15# Alice If you are refering to unemployment benefit when you call them giro Joes. I think even the most basic enquiry will reveal the benefit rates are the same everywhere.
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Handsome Scotsman,

17/11/2009 01:11:51

The UK is a trillion or 2 in debt.

England can't fund itself never mind Scotland.

Brown has been able to borrow more and more and more on the basis that he has a guaranteed sorce of income in North Sea oil revenues.

If / when Scotland goes independent that could put England's economy into serious depression.

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 17/11/2009 01:16:04
-- pay the lions share

Aye. The wimmen do maist o the huntin' and the english lions lie aboot haeing a roar like they were in a Glesga pub. Or Glesga Cooncil Chambers.
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17/11/2009 01:16:23
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Brianwci,

17/11/2009 01:16:57
The obvious comparison is being made with the London Olympics spiralling out of control.

It's about time some Scottish regeneration project spiralled out of control, certainly makes a huge change from yet another English project....Channel Tunnel, St Pancras Station, Waterloo Station, M25....the list goes on, the vast majority of it paid for by Scottish Oil and Gas.

Is that Generosity or Stupidity? I can never make up my mind.
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17/11/2009 01:18:41
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danbob,

17/11/2009 01:20:12
17# So tell us. How do you square up your synopsis against the fact that official government figures show out of the last 30 years Scotland would have had a surplus in only 7 of them. The truth is even when oil is in the equation Scotland largly operates at a loss.
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Alice Cooper,

17/11/2009 01:24:53
typo mean ,was ommited
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Alice Cooper,

17/11/2009 01:26:56
why do some type scotsland?,its SCOTLAND dummies,god cant you even spell our country right
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Alice Cooper,

17/11/2009 01:28:56
#16 no there is a london rate,its to offset the high cost of living in london,but accordin to some reports edinburgh is just as expensive
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 01:32:11
22 Danbob*

Who knows what 30 years of investment would have brought. Scotland's economy would be unrecognisable from what we have today that is for sure.

The figures are all based on Scotland withing a union that has failed Scotland, failed to develop the economy, failed to invest in core industries while presiding over the virtually complete eradication of Scotland as a manufacturing country!

The figures prove that the union is a failure...no surprise...why would Scotland be uppermost in the thoughts of home counties MPs...or those in Bradford?
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 01:40:06
21 The Answer*

Unemployment Scotland 7.2%
Unemployment Midlands 10%

Why are Scottish workers paying for the layabouts in Brummieland..in fact all over...Uk average is 7.8%...well above the Scottish figure!
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17/11/2009 01:41:41
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 17/11/2009 01:43:21
But we are told voters in Glasgow N/E feel the SNP would rather spend money on Edinburgh than Glasgow.

Thats another dribbling Labour myth dead then.
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 01:46:44
28 Th Answer*

Still Scottish unemployment is lower than the UK average and as the West Midlands has 5 million it's about right to draw a comparison...

South East and London cannot be compared to Scotland..so why is there such a huge difference and why is the Scottish worker paying a subside the rest of the uk?
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 01:49:53
The Answer*

Yorkshire and Humber unemployment a whopping 8.7%...money pouring out of Scottish pay packets as we speak:


The number of people out of work in the region (Yorkshire and Humber) is down by 4,000 - from 231,000 to 227,000.

Despite the 1.73 per cent fall, the jobless rate in Yorkshire and the Humber is the fourth highest in England, with 8.7 per cent of the region’s workforce unemployed'
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Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 01:52:43
"Salmond needs to pull the plug on this now or at least cut back on some of the extravagant options being pursued."-#1, Justin Timbercake

And should Macavity also pull the plug on the London Olympics which will cost 25-40 times more AND at the expense of good causes?

Or is Rufus setting up Eck as a SLAB aunt Sally for another "anti-Glasgow policy."
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 01:55:51

~14.
When you wish upon a star,

You are correct, and you have a nice user name, I noted your comment on the health page and 203.

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Cynicus Unbound,

#11 When you wish upon a star 17/11/2009 01:56:22
"First rule of Commenting:

Keep it SHORT"-#11 When you wish upon a star

NO: "Get an attention span greater than a gnat's"
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17/11/2009 02:05:01
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Graham in,

Alloa 17/11/2009 02:05:21
#20

Yes, that comparison is far more valid than the one chosen to support the labourious agenda of this newspaper.

It is saddening, yet essential, to realise that the organisational media in Scotland, including BBC Scotland, defer to London centric decisions.

But... wait a minute, media forms are changing quickly. These days I can watch my choice of TV channel online and have local and international news twittered to me.

The Commonwealth Games organisers should set up their own TV station.

Glasgow Commonwealth Games TV. On cable and internet. Get on the phone to India so you can project some advertising revenue into your budget.



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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 02:10:31
9 The Answer,Glasgow. "wonder how big your foot must be!!!!!!!!"

I know where my foot would like to be!

However here is just SOME of the imformation to prove you wrong again, my little Brit Nat

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=1Ft&
q=funding+for+the+new+wembley&start=20&sa=N

Again I have to state if you English/Brit Nat don"t like paying for us grubby "Sweaties" then please feel to grow a spine, and vote to "Free England"

Go on mate it won't hurt.

Well it will really, without Scotland, England will be a third world country, and you know it.



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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 02:12:31
Chew on this.

North Sea Oil Could 'Save' UK

The North Sea oil and gas reserves could be used in order to rescue the UK economy one of Scotland’s leading businessmen has said.

Sir Ian Wood said a plan was needed in order to maximise output and boost the economy which could lead to a massive £800billion worth of oil and gas income in tax receipts for the Treasury.

Offshore industry leaders have already made repeated calls for tax incentives to encourage investment in the sector. Sir Ian said: “North Sea oil and gas probably saved Dennis Healey’s mid-70s UK from the International Monetary Fund.

“Even now, UK’s oil and gas enhances our economy and balance of payments by some £30billion per annum.”

Some business leaders have accused the UK government of milking the UK oil and gas industry to near breaking point.

Estimates suggest reserves still to be recovered could vary between 12billion and 25billion barrels of oil equivalent.

The 13billion difference could be worth £787billion – money that would be at risk if the UK seriously under-recovered its North Sea oil and gas reserves, said Sir Ian.

Graeme Coutts, executive chairman of international oilfield service group Expro, was in agreement with Sir Ian’s comments on change being needed in order to help the oil and gas industry.

Mr Coutts said: “For a long time, the Labour government has completely milked and ignored the health of the UK oil and gas business almost to the point of breaking.

“The industry is under a punitive tax regime, higher than any other industry in the UK. “It would be nice to see something of a long-term and stable government policy related to investment in oil and gas.

“It’s not going to happen under a Labour government. The current government and the Treasury are only there to take and not to give in any way.”
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17/11/2009 02:15:50
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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 02:19:38
Also Brit Nat, since you claim that Scots do less work then the rest of England, perhaps you could tell us why the UK government allows this to happen, since it CONTROLS the economy of Scotland.
Then again it always has been the case that Scottish jobs will be sacrificed first, in order to save English jobs.
Do you really want me to remind you about the Roysth V Devenport stitch up?
No I thought not.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 02:21:11

Commentating, turns into a boring encyclopedia on this thread, but leapfrogging is all in the games!

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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 02:23:26
35 The Answer*

The Scottish Parliament chooses how to spend the cash at it's disposal so why quote all the figures?

The Scottish has has re-allocated the Scottish budget money since devolution ...that was the point...and seems that it is a success.

Great!

Mind you...Scotland is still paying for those on the dole in most regions of England according to the figures...shocking!

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17/11/2009 02:31:19
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 02:44:50
43 The Answer*

We have more public sector workers which is great and if you have been to Birmingham and Hull i think you would agree..so good news for Scotland.

As for workers in the private sector Scotland has no manufacturing base, England has all of them, cars, planes, engineering, factories...have to be close to government hence the reason Scotland has virtually nothing.

But hey all things considered more Scots are in work and are contributing more in taxed than the rest of the uk...fact!
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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 02:51:21
New Scottish Oil Find

Scotland’s reputation as an energy rich nation was again underlined when two Scottish companies announced a further significant oil and gas find to the west of Shetland.

Dana Petroleum and Faroe Petroleum enjoyed success with their Tornado well, which was drilled in an area of the Atlantic Margin to a depth of 1000 metres.

Oil Discovery Near Shetland

The well confirmed the existence of both oil and gas in an area of reservoir which had the qualities that the partners in the license had predicted.

The find was made 10km north-west of the Suilven discovery and 30km north-west of the Schiehallion, Foinaven and Loyal producing fields, it may be possible to develop it relatively quickly by using infrastructure that could be shared with those developments.

Graham Stewart, Chief Executive of Faroe Petroleum commented:

"We are very pleased to report the successful outcome of the side-track appraisal well, which has reconfirmed the presence of a significant accumulation of hydrocarbons and, based on the preliminary logging data, the results exceed the prognosed net hydrocarbon column and has found better than predicted reservoir quality.“

"Tornado is the second of a firm five-well Atlantic Margin exploration drilling programme which Faroe is undertaking over the coming months. The first well in the programme, announced in October, made a significant discovery, the Glenlivet gas field, which is currently being appraised. We are scheduled to drill three further very high impact exploration wells, the Anne Marie oil prospect in the Faroes (operated by Eni), the Cardhu oil prospect in the UK (operated by BP) and the Lagavulin oil prospect in the UK (operated by Chevron)".
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Giggity,

17/11/2009 02:51:30
The Answer

'The main purpose of the labour party is to lower the expectations of the Scottish people'
Martin O'Neill. Labour MP.

When we have politicians like that and a party like labour it's no wonder that Scotland has been devastated.
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 02:53:51
The Answer*

Small exapmle for you...list of major car plants in the UK..spot ho many are in Scotland:

1. Aston Martin, Gaydon
2. Bentley, Crewe
3. BMW, Oxford
4. Honda, Swindon
5. Jaguar, Birmingham
6. Jaguar, Coventry
7. Jaguar & Land Rover, Halewood
8. Lotus, Hethel, Norwich
9. Land Rover, Solihull
10. MG, Longbridge
11. Nissan, Sunderland
12. Rolls-Royce, Goodwood
13. Toyota, Burnaston
14. Vauxhall, Ellesmere Port
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17/11/2009 02:55:08
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17/11/2009 02:55:35
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 02:59:54
All jobs, tax, investment and spent...Scotland has virtually nothing....imagine the boost post independence from all the HQs that could be tempted to re-locate, embassies, manufacturers (quite possibly), oil companies, shipping, insurace and finance (with tax breaks)....quite a thought compared to your depressing analysis!
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17/11/2009 03:14:31
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The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 03:18:49
#49

what about

Zambia ?
Zimbabwe ?

Dont they count as countries?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 17/11/2009 03:24:24
Any fool can quote statistics but that doesn't equate to any understanding of economics. It could be that Greater London produces 100,000,000 metric tonnes of hot air per annum and 10,000 people are directly and indirectly employed to measure this. And we are none the wiser.

How's the economy here where I live? For it only makes sense on a local and rit egional level like the weather. Mohamed Noor says it's fair to good. Far better the opinion of one intelligent man who actually runs a successful business than any number of opinions from economists, experts, think tanks and tv pundits. And the autumn weather has been fair to splendid. The place is hotching wi bunnies, so you'd never starve if you had a good lurcher.

If you want an Answer from Glasgow, I doubt that it was a question worth asking.
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 17/11/2009 03:36:20
54 Yok*

Indeed, but funny because if you remove the midden parts of his city (and his ilk) from the equation then Scotland would clearly be better off than Kensignton and Chelsea!
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Anna nexr door,

17/11/2009 04:07:38
Nothing to be proud of.
But as long as England pulls the strings thats ok then.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/rugby-union/scotland-shamed-by-sporting-facilities-that-are-a-national-disgrace-1.925381
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Baggy Troosers,

17/11/2009 04:54:28
What i find confusing is the fact that The Answer keeps singing the praises of England ,whilst telling us what a basket case Scotland is .

He keeps hitting us with statistics after statistics all singing the praises of (i assume his homeland) England.

Why is he posting continuously telling us that we cant look after ourselves and that England is the land of milk and honey ,all from Glasgow.

I assume that if things are as bad as he thinks up here, and that they are so wonderful down in England then he needs to head home and so spare us all his inane witterings.
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Political Exile,

Nizamuddin 17/11/2009 05:40:32
The same noises are made about every major event in every host country. However when we get to the closing ceremony every Jock, Agnes and Mary will be acclaiming the success and taking the credit for the positive image portayed of the City and the Country.
There are event professionals at present in Vancouver, Delhi, South Africa, London and elsewhere who will be heading to Glasgow to deliver the 2014 CG while creating legacy skills for the local workforce. Yes, they have to be paid. Yes, they need to be relocated. Yes, they will bring economies through experience. What is surprising is that the OC did not factor this in to the original staffing plan!
Some of us in this business have lived through the Media attacks of Sydney 2000, the carping of Manchester 2002 and the continuous allegations of mismanagement in France 1998, Germany 2006, Melbourne 2006 and Athens 2004 yet we still deliver great events, with the support of the volunteers sourced from the local population, in spite of the bleating.
Is there a hint of jealousy here from those who cannot deliver in local, regional and national government?
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Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 05:40:40
9 19 21

If yer going to persist in posting lies and wind up bullsh*t then at least have the decency to keep them consistant.
Your lies today contradict your lies yesterday and the day before.
Get a life to silly little person you.
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Mèths,

17/11/2009 07:12:09
The Answer

Thanks for pointing out that the union isn't working for Scotland.
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TWC,

exLabour 17/11/2009 07:46:07
There is no doubt that Scotland is not getting it's share of investment hence the demand that Scottish Revenues are spent in Scotland with Fiscal Autonomy.
Why are Scottish Unions supporting this rip off of Scottish Finance - forget about Independence - this is about Scotland and the Scottish workers.

Will the unions not wake up till Feb March next year?
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Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 17/11/2009 08:04:23
Isn't The Idiot, I mean The Answer, being a bit disingenious with regards it's stat spouting?

After all, the Commonwealth games in Glasgow will be the only opportunity The Idiot will get for gainful employment. Glasgow will always need somebody to sweep the streets in 2014......
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paulr,

edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:08:47
Complete and utter waste of taxpayers money.
lasting benefits
Look at previous games, custom built stadiums and swimming pools, after the games they lay unsued for years.
Athletes village, not suitable for resale as apartments without major restructuring.
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Scottydawg,

17/11/2009 08:09:30
#49 Nevsky.
The embassies are all in London because it is the capital of the UK. If Scotland were independent, many countries would establish embassies in Edinburgh but London-based embassies would not relocate.
There are no embassies in Edinburgh, but there are already a number of consulates.
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Aman,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:12:59
When was the vote to try to stage the Commonwealth games in Scotland ? If the TV rights are so great, then why is STV not at the front of the queue bidding for them ? The BBC is not the only terrestrial broadcaster in the UK.
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sam the god,

17/11/2009 08:15:05
for sale Glasgow City Chambers one careful owner sealed bids by 25/12/09
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Scottydawg,

17/11/2009 08:20:41
The Answer.
Council Tax
25.634 billion England
2.1 billion scotsland

Business Rates
17.137 billion England
1.724 billion scotsland

These statistics do little more than demonstrate that, given Scotland has 1/10 the population of England, tax income is broadly in line with expectations.
Why are you reproducing these without comment? Or do you just not understand what they are telling us?
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Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 08:22:36
64

Moron the Commie pool is nearly full every day of the week its hard to get wet for the amount of bodies in it so is the gym. And the Stadium although getting slow now was for a long time one of the most popular places in Edinburgh to hang out. Great place for 5 a side fitba.
If you feel the compulsion to post sh*te then at least make it less obvious.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:24:01
By coincidence, an article in this morning's Independent claims that the final bill for the 2012 London Olympics could well exceed £12.5 billion!

The original estimate was just over £2.1 billion?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:26:30
The estimated cost of hosting the 2012 Olympics was “entirely unrealistic” at the time of London’s bid, a report by the public spending watchdog.

The Public Accounts Committee accused the UK Government of ignoring factors such as a contingency provision, tax obligations and security requirements that resulted in an “astonishing” increase in the budget from £4 billion to £9.3 billion within two years of winning the Games.

MPs also say that the Department for Culture, Media and Sport is guilty of wishful thinking in its prediction that the private sector would contribute £738 million towards venues and infrastructure.

In a revised budget presented by Tessa Jowell, the Olympics Minister, in March 2007, that figure had fallen to £165 million, or less than 2 per cent of the total.
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Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 08:29:53
45

It will be interesting to see how the trolls will manage to manipulate the Scottish English border in order to locate them in English coastal waters right enough.
I wonder what angle our border shoots out at on the West coast? anybody?
73

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:33:30
Nesky 51 and other London dependency junkies..

Scotland is getting ripped off and has been for the last 70 years. Post War Nationalisation closed off Scottish HQs and moved them South. Then Oil massively subsidised the UK in the 70s and 80s and still contributes motre to the UK economy than Scotland receives in return.

Qatar produces less oil than Scotland yet has a $60 billion wealth fund. Norway, another independent nation, has a $410 billion sovereign fund, the third biggest in the world. None of these countries have a problem with a fluctuating oil price and are actively investing globally for the long term benefit of their respective people.

There are 25 billion barrels of oil and gas remaining in the North Sea. According to experts including Sir Ian Wood in Herald on 6 November 2009 the oil and gas remaining in the North sea is worth over £1500 billions. And even now the UKs oil and gas enhances our economy and balance of payments by £30 billion per annum.
Much more oil and gas remains in deeper waters of the west coast of Shetland and in the Minches. Remember that 90% of oil and gas is in Scottish waters.


74

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 08:35:49
This piece of sh*t tory rag will spin any story to the detriment of Scotland as a nation.
It seems to have only one purpose to exist and that is to print as much anti Scottish bullsh*t it can fit onto its broad sheets.
And it has the gaul to advertise itself as Scotlands national newspaper.
Its about as credible as Zanu Lyebour advertising itself as a socialist working mans party.
75

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 08:37:19
The BBC can easily find £200 million to fund Formula One Motor Racing, £45 million to broadcast a handful of English second tier football matches and £22 million for Manchester Commonwealth games in 2002.

But can't bid for Scottish Premier Football or Sc
Scottish Commonwealth games. They could pay for the Commonwealth Games by sacking Jonathan Ross.
76

Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 17/11/2009 08:37:42
Scotlands other national newspaper is even worse. The Daily Record.

Is there an unbiased paper in Scotland at all?
77

Ewan Randall,

17/11/2009 08:46:08
(#62) – (TWC) –Should that not read, this is about Scotland and its workers?
78

Lianachan,

HIghlands 17/11/2009 08:46:47
#64 Ah come on now. You must be forgetting the wonderful location of the 1984 Winter Olympics, and the lasting benefits it enjoyed.
79

danbob,

17/11/2009 08:54:01
The BBC won't commit itself for one very good reason. The cost of the olympics. They may get their fingers burned on that one and commiting another wad of cash on a similar but less significant sporting event will bring the executives out in a cold sweat.
80

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 08:54:13
40

Rosyth v Devonport stitch up? yes it was it affected me personally. But my little colonial you must also acknowledge that Rachel Squire did next to nothing to save the yard neither did that other well known MP Gogs Brown. All Rachel Squire did in the finest Scottish tradition was bump her gums once the decision had been made.
81

Lianachan,

Highlands 17/11/2009 08:57:48
#75 They won't fork out for Scottish international football matches either.
82

danbob,

17/11/2009 09:05:44
81# A good decision based on the dross that was served up on Saturday.
83

danbob,

17/11/2009 09:16:10
83# Why do you think it is then.
84

Lianachan,

Highlands 17/11/2009 09:21:33
#82 I wouldn't know, I didn't see it. Still, as I'm sure you know, that's not the point.
85

danbob,

17/11/2009 09:24:53
85# Well they dont show many England games either. So any claim to bias can be thrown out.
86

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 09:38:45
#68 Scottydawg,17/11/2009 08:20:41

"These statistics do little more than demonstrate that, given Scotland has 1/10 the population of England, tax income is broadly in line with expectations."


Thanks for pointing out scotslands expectations!


Income Tax (billions)

129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdf
87

Warden Resurrected,

The Nationalist Republic of Scotoma 17/11/2009 09:46:15
Laird O'Gorgie
83-Companies aren’t willing to invest because there is a lack of exposure for them. It takes famous faces to sell these company’s products. The number of these in Scotland is woefully small. The question people want to ask is where all the investment from Scots who’ve succeeded abroad is, do they not see Scotland as a good investment.
88

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 09:46:22
87 The Answer

“Income Tax (billions)

129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland”

Oh really?

10,900,000,000,000,000?

Would you care to revise that figure?
89

danbob,

17/11/2009 09:48:45
89# Why have you added an extra 6 noughts?
90

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 09:49:47
87

Why have you included North sea oil revenue within Englands tax take? along with all VAT?
Time for a name change troll how about The Idiot?
91

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 09:51:37
86

They show all of them. Name one England game theyve missed?
92

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 09:52:07
# 89 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 09:46:22

"Would you care to revise that figure?"

nope.


Income Tax (billions)
129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdf
93

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 09:53:58
90 danbob

The figures quoted are claimed to be “billions”.

I should have added 9 0’s.
94

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 09:55:12
# 91 Spannerstherevengein3D,17/11/2009 09:49:47

"Why have you included North sea oil revenue within Englands tax take? along with all VAT?"

If you bother to read the link , you will notice it's for Income Tax only

Income Tax (billions)
129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdf
95

A Crofter,

Sporting Arce 17/11/2009 09:58:51
There's way too much sport on TV for even the most dedicated couch potato to absorb - all the footie action from Africa to Australia to the very bottom of the Trumplicker League.

It's hard enough to find anyone interested in athletics, let alone non-events like the Commonwealth Games.

We should all cut our losses and run. This elephant is not just white, but morbidly obese.
96

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 10:01:42
#1 Justin.

Not often I agree with you but you are correct.
97

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 10:02:01
95

Exactly Moron Scotland is a country rich in resourse with a small population England is the exact opposite therefore your tax take comparrison is pants.
As is your expenditure.
But your not about posting facts your all about sh*t stirring so to that extent your post proves your nothing more than a sad wee troll looking for attention.
98

Lianachan,

Highlands 17/11/2009 10:03:15
#86 "Well they dont show many England games either. So any claim to bias can be thrown out. "

I never mentioned England. All I said was that they don't show Scotland games. Must all comments about Scotland be framed with reference to England?

#96 I actually prefer the Commonwealth Games to the Olympics. For one thing, Scotland participate.
99

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 10:09:50
The Answer
95-Any fool reading those figures properly wouldn’t mix up their billions and millions, the figures you are showing are in millions.
100

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 10:10:32
94

Right enough the dumb phuuqq embarrases itself again.
101

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 10:20:15
Income Tax (billions)
129,320,000,000 England
one hundred and twenty nine billion and three hundred and twenty million

10,900,000,000 scotsland
ten billion and nine hundred million

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdf
102

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 10:21:26
102

Was it parental neglect?
103

Ben Thehoose,

17/11/2009 10:21:35
Let those who wanted these games pay for them. Count me out.
104

danbob,

17/11/2009 10:21:36
99# So do I if I am honest. In sporting spectacle terms and ability to get hold of tickets at a resonable price I think the commonwealth games are good.
105

danbob,

17/11/2009 10:26:10
102# Just write 129.32 billion and 10.9 billion. It's easier
106

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 10:28:41
94 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 09:53:58
90 danbob

The figures quoted are claimed to be “billions”.

I should have added 9 0’s.
--------------------------------------------------

Oh Dear.

Another embarrassing gaffe by Bully Boy in his rush to correct someone.

Bully Boy, you cannot even calculate 10% of anything, so how can you possibly believe you can understand numbers in their billions.

Tee Hee what a fool.
107

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 10:29:02
102 The Answer

£129 Billion billion would buy a good few duck houses.
108

danbob,

17/11/2009 10:32:13
107@ Like I said at 106# Just write 129.32 billion and 10.9 billion. It's easier. I meant to add it's easier for the plebs but hit the post button early.
109

MadJockMacMad,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 10:33:47
#22 And since when has England been in surplus?
110

Lianachan,

HIghlands 17/11/2009 10:33:51
#104 "Let those who wanted these games pay for them. Count me out."

Would you extend that policy to the Olympics too?
111

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 10:34:04
#107 Rufus

Happy to compare my arithmetical/mathematical prowess against yours any time you wish.
112

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 10:41:28
#112 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 10:34:04

"Happy to compare my arithmetical/mathematical prowess against yours any time you wish."

so just how would you display full digits for:

one hundred and twenty nine billion and three hundred and twenty million?????
113

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 10:44:05
ooooo...this is so exciting...I wonder whether the bid team had so much fun when they presented their figures!!??
114

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 10:47:32
£129, 320,000,000

Expressed in terms of £'s, and not in "billions" of £'s, in which case it would be £129.320.

Here to help.


115

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 10:49:14
#109 danbob,17/11/2009 10:32:13
"Just write 129.32 billion and 10.9 billion. It's easier. I meant to add it's easier for the plebs but hit the post button early."

Good point!, was trying to give the enormity of the figures.

116

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 10:50:14
Well done Bully Wee from Edinburgh, Top Marks for spotting the mistake made by Mr Answer. Award yourself a pat on the back!
117

Front Street,

Grange Court 17/11/2009 10:56:00
Give Glasgow an excuse for taxpayer's money and it will
milk it dry..it's only a two week event for heavens sake. The Edinburgh Fringe festival will sell more tickets without the massive taxpayer hand outs.
118

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 10:56:55
118

and a hell of lot more enjoyable!!
119

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 10:58:55
120

would that be one of the display cases from the museum?
120

danbob,

17/11/2009 11:02:43
121# The case containing old bones I think.
121

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 11:04:29

#120 museum attendant,edinburgh 17/11/2009 10:57:33

"if youre not inglish, answer, then you are just another dumb little leper-corn."


what is a leper-corn?
122

danbob,

17/11/2009 11:07:18
123 He uses the same sort of language that the dreg who used the moniker Leith something, or other was posting under last night. Different moniker same sized pea brain.
123

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 17/11/2009 11:13:15
GREEDY LONDON TELLING US WHAT TO SPEND,GET LOST!

WATCH THIS SPACE,COMING SOON?

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
124

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 11:16:57
The Answer
116-Nice move there, I didn’t realise until after I had pressed the send button. You paste your figures, then people pull you up on an error which actually plays into your hands, you show faux embarrassment of sorts, and then you are able to show the figures to be small in comparison with those who pulled you up on the earlier figures doing so too. Wait until they get their heads around that.
125

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 11:17:43
#124 danbob.

However, you should balance your comment up by acknowledging that 'The Answer' cosnisitently posts anti-Scottish bile. You can't knock one without knocking the other.
126

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 11:18:41
consistently
127

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 11:20:06
125
"watch this space"? why? are you expecting a change of government? or should I say minority government

London will of course dictate how much is to be spent. London in the majority shareholder in the UK.
128

Warden Resurrected,

The Nationalist Republic of Scotoma 17/11/2009 11:25:14
danbob
124-You would be talking about indy leith the nationalist.
129

danbob,

17/11/2009 11:26:01
127# I dont recall the poster under the name of The answer being abusive. Pointing out the truth is not anti scottish bile. I read a lot of anti english bile on here.
130

danbob,

17/11/2009 11:26:49
130# That's the one. I hope he comes back. What fun.
131

danbob,

17/11/2009 11:28:00
131# OH you tease. Next time I am in Mcdonalds will you give me a discount.

I'm lovin it.
132

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:28:19
112 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 10:34:04
#107 Rufus

Happy to compare my arithmetical/mathematical prowess against yours any time you wish.
-------------------------------------------------

Bully Boy, does your dunces cap come with a ginger wig attached?

Tee Hee
133

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17/11/2009 11:30:31
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Reason:
134

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:31:52
Hey Bully Boy, have you ever had Millionaire's shortbread before?

Or couldn't you tell?
135

Lianachan,

Highlands 17/11/2009 11:34:15
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee

Attempting a proper discussion with anybody who persists in using the derogartory "scotsland" instead of "Scotland" is a complete waste of time. It's not a typo, he's actually going out of his way to use that word. His agenda is clear.
136

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 11:36:30
116

"Good point!, was trying to give the enormity of the figures."


Enormity of the figures youve made up?

Give the Samaritans a call they'll help anyone.
137

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 11:36:53
139
Take the time to look at the post directly beneath yours. Its very difficult to have a decent conversation with a .... never mind
138

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:37:03
140 museum attendant,edinburgh 17/11/2009 11:34:19
the inglish no won anything for a while???
they will do the usual and scour the world for a good news story to prop them up....tiddlywinks anyone??
-----------------------------------------------------

Just over a couple of weeks since Englishman Jenson Button won the Formula One championship right enough.

What a long time eh?
139

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:40:25
146 museum attendant,edinburgh 17/11/2009 11:38:36
f1 doesnt count...everyone with a brain knows its fixed.
just like the elections...barf
-----------------------------------------------------

Ah I think I can see where you are coming from......
140

Albion Bob,

17/11/2009 11:40:43
147

controlling Scotland
141

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 11:43:00
#135 Rufus

I can only assume that you may have been, and perhaps still are being, bullied at school by someone with reddish hair.

But do not worry too much about that, once you make your views known to a wider community, you will be equally disparaged by those of every hair colour.
142

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17/11/2009 11:43:48
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Reason:
143

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:44:41
151 museum attendant,edinburgh 17/11/2009 11:41:29


Looks like the Spook in Leith has re-invented himself as the museum attendant.
144

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:46:39
152 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17

Poor reply Bully Boy.

In fact, one of your worst.

Normally you do better than that (to be fair to you).

145

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 11:48:58
Hey Bully Boy, have you ever seen 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' on ITV?

If so, it must have confused the hell out of you.

If you have any questions, give me a shout.

Here to help.
146

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 11:52:01
153

So you must have made up yesterdays figures or was it the day before?
147

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 11:54:58
#165 Spannerstherevengein3D,17/11/2009 11:52:01

"So you must have made up yesterdays figures or was it the day before?"

linky?
148

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 11:59:29
153

Troll anybody can put a PDF document onto the web even my mum. Its certainly no the first one youve put up.

Get out more widen your social circle then you wouldnt have to come on here looking for attention.
149

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 12:02:27
169 Spannerstherevengein3D,17/11/2009 11:59:29

"anybody can put a PDF document onto the web even my mum"

Are you trying to say that HMRC.GOV.UK allowed me to upload anti-scottish facts and figures on to it's webservers?


150

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:03:38
153

I see your still struggling with yer Mathematically challanged problem. Billions indeed.
151

Lianachan,

Highlands 17/11/2009 12:04:10
#144 "Take the time to look at the post directly beneath yours. Its very difficult to have a decent conversation with a .... never mind"

There are two problems with that.

1) The guy you're referring to doesn't appear to be trying to make any specific point, negating the discusison requirement, and
2) When told "there's a problem with A", it's not useful to reply "well, what about B?". It's irrelevant, and does not address the issue with A.
152

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:05:26
170

No it clearly says in my post I think your a sad wee troll desperate for attention did you no practice reading that alphabet I gave you the other day?
153

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 12:08:44
#132 danbob.

You have a selective memory then.

This person comes on this site every single day and the only thing he posts is anti-Scottish data he gets from a variety of sources that do no necessarily link together. When challenged, he often changes the data and includes more from other sources that sometimes cannot be accessed. Data for different sources can often be used out of context and anyone doing this usually does so to prove their own agenda.
I gave him a link the other day that states London receives the highest ‘Total Identifiable Expenditure on Services by Region per head in real terms’ (every year from 2004 to 2009) – page 128 – but he consistently ignores it introducing, as he does, his own spurious data that cherry-picks to achieve his point.

In addition, there is a constant reference to ‘scotsland’, which is belittling and irritating, the aim of which can only be to cause offence.

Also - he stated a few days ago that he wasn’t Scottish (“thank god” he said – hardly the point of someone who is not aiming to be offensive!), and rounds it off by saying he is not English.

So I ask you, what is the point of someone who claims not to be Scottish and not to be English coming on this site every day posting spurious and negative anti-Scottish (and apparently pro-English) data other than to cause offence?

What is the real purpose I ask?
154

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:09:07
170

Troll .pdf doesnt = UK GOV web server. Moron.
155

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:10:55
174

Its either sexual frustration or social neglect it could be both.
156

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 12:11:24
#173 Spannerstherevengein3D,17/11/2009 12:05:26

"No it clearly says in my post I think your a sad wee troll desperate for attention did you no practice reading that alphabet I gave you the other day?"

linky to the alphabet you gave me the oher day please?

DO you accept the following figures on a hmrc.gov.uk server?

Income Tax (millions)
129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdf

157

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:15:22
177

Socially neglected sexually frustrated and bone idle to boot look up yer ain links ye ken where they are.
And Smee etc pick a name and stick with it your stupidity gives you away everytime and negates the need to keep switching accounts.
158

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 12:22:01
museum attendant
131-You’ve the same propensity to miss letters while getting over exited, much in the same way as the inadequacies indy Leith has. You also seem to try and insult a person by calling them something in a way which shows you to be as bad, again much in the same way as the inadequacies indy Leith has. Indy Leith also pretended to talk to the ladies, but when pressed obviously has little contact in a verbal sense.
159

no-name,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 12:22:10
During the campaigning for the Glasgow North East by-election all we heard from Labour was how the SNP Governement had it in for Glasgow.

They've been strangely quite about this announcement.
160

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 12:22:44
For example, if you Google the link in post 87 it comes up with;-

Your search - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_distribution/3-11-table-jan09.pdfttp - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

•Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
•Try different keywords.
•Try more general keywords.
.Try and not use a fictitious website

Take away the 'pdf' at the end of the link and it takes you back into the Scotsman??
161

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 12:24:03
The Union of Scotland & England is over

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3644010/The-Union-of-England-and-Scotland-is-over.html



Scotland cooking on oil & gas
http://www.offshore-technology.com/features/feature1521/


Energy Oil & Gas Fields Hansard
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200607/ldhansrd/text/70613w0002.htm
162

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 12:24:29
Spannerstherevengein3D
175-Blackdouglas2 couldn't of put it any better could you.
163

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:27:52
183

?????
164

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:30:09
181

Really? Well it looks like the Hootsmon shares a web server with the UK government or our troll has given the game away. I told you it was a moron.
165

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 12:31:52
Dearie me.. Explain this away Justinfruitcake.

How Labour depends on the votes of Welfare Britain

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226031/EXPOSED-How-Labour-depends-votes-Welfare-Britain.html#ixzz0WGlVk1Dz
166

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 12:32:26
Observer, I see you are about to be offered early retirement.

You going to take it?
167

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 12:33:09
177 The Answer

129 million billion?

You still do not get this “counting” thing do you?

Are you Rufus in disguise?
168

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 12:38:21
How and why New Labour abandoned the Welfare State
Michael Barratt Brown

Welfare

http://www.iln.labournet.org.uk/pamphlets/alternative_labour_list_for_welfare/part1.html
169

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 12:43:20
#177 The Answer (to what? Remind us!)

"DO you accept the following figures on a hmrc.gov.uk server?

Income Tax (millions)
129,320,000,000 England
10,900,000,000 scotsland"

Ermmmm. No I don't accept it.

What you have said above equates to England = 129,320 TRILLION. One hundred and twenty nine thousand, three hundred and twenty TRILLION. That is over 100,000 times the national debt.

You sir, are a ladies front bottom.

170

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 12:46:37
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee
190-morris you still don’t get it, it is to this person’s advantage you showing the figures being lower and the figures are being repeated and repeated again. This person is playing you. A person who gets agitated at this person’s games might see them to be spamming the same or similar material. Warden on the other hand enjoys watching the fun and games.
171

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:49:36
190

But it came from UK GOV.pdf.Hootsmon.troll so it must be accurate.
172

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/11/2009 12:51:53
Personally I am not that really exicted about the commonweatlh games, doesn't push my buttons.

I am concerned if the cost begins to spiral at the moment it seems to be not too bad.

I have a large piece of crud outside my Window called a tram fiasco, now that is a black hole of accountancy.

I see the answer is up to there old tricks.
173

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 12:57:26
193

Oh please! stop tryin to spin your own posts. The figures are irrelevant because they are blatently outrageous its the stupidity thats being repeated again and again.
The only message being passed is the fact that youre a moron. We get it we always have.
174

ATB,

Edinburgh 17/11/2009 13:00:22
will the weegies now SHUT UP about how the Scottish Government has it in for them? Note how it's "Scotland's games" when they have the begging bowl out but "Glasgow's games" every other time?

Glasgow has had more public money pumped into it over the past 25 years than every other Scottish city put together.

The commonwealth games are an irrelevant sporting sideshow of no interest to the international sporting community. Pull the plug now and put up some scaffold in strathclyde park.
175

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 13:02:08
193 Warden Resurrected

You appear to be one rather strange individual, both confusing me with some other poster and also referring to yourself in the third person.

Or did you just use the wrong moniker there?
176

jim jones,

new glasgow 17/11/2009 13:02:27
to Justin Timbercake in regards to the use of Celtic Park for the Ceremonies . This was a key part of the Bid that had the Advantage over Abuja 2014. 12 KM separated the proposed Athletes Village there with the Main Stadium in Abuja. Glasgow 2014 has already reneged on the GARL promise for the Commonwealth Games While Abuja Nigeria is constructing all 2014 Transportation projects including 100 KM of LRT despite Abuja not being awarded.
THe nearness of Glasgow Athletes Village was a major selling point . Perhaps Nigeria should have pointed to their Finances which are robust compared with the UK's at this time. Nigeria has a mere 3 billion US dollars in externally held debt While the UK is in the Trillions.
Glasgow won the games and should be required to now pony up absolutely every single dime in promises even if it further bankrupts your economy. Watch out for the dodgy plans to have a tartan filed on silts in Hamdpem Park . This has never been attempted before and no one in the world is proposing it for any games other then the 2014 games. Can You say Clyde Arc Bridge part Two ?
177

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 13:10:03
195 Tormod,Auld Reekie 17/11/2009 12:51:53
Personally I am not that really exicted about the commonweatlh games, doesn't push my buttons.
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Good afternoon Tormod.

Yes I agree whole heartedly.

The Commonwealth Games is a Mickey Mouse event.

The money would be better spent elsewhere.

In addition, it will be especially difficult for Bully Boy. Can you imagine how confused he will be watching the athletics events?

How will he know the difference between the 100 metre sprint and the 4 by 400 metre relay?

It will be trying times for the poor guy.
178

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 13:11:32
200

How will you? both of them contain numbers.
179

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 13:16:57
201 Observer,,Glasgow 17/11/2009 13:10:07
189 Sadly Rufus I don't work for the Council any more and I am not over fifty.

Sighs.

No ER for me.
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Ahh I see. Pity.

Having said that, better to be under 50 than over 50.
180

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 13:17:38
#174 Jo Public,17/11/2009 12:08:44

"I gave him a link the other day that states London receives the highest ‘Total Identifiable Expenditure on Services by Region per head in real terms’ (every year from 2004 to 2009) – page 128 – but he consistently ignores it introducing, as he does, his own spurious data that cherry-picks"

You provided the following link.

Anybody who bothers to follow the links will come up with the same answer based on 2008 expenditure outturn and mid 2008 population.

You provided the following link.
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/pesa_180609.pdf


Which when divided by population gives
per head 2007-08

£8931 London (68,050,000,000 divide by 7,619,800)
£8979 scotland (46,409,000,000 divide by 5,168,500)



On page 128 it states



2007-08 outturn
Expenditure (millions)
68,050 London
46,409 scotland


Population mid 2008
7,619,800 London
5,168,500 acotland

Table11

tinyurl.com/ybqgk6s

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_population/Mid_2008_UK_England_&_Wales_Scotland_and_Northern_Ireland_27_08_09.zip
181

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 13:18:21
202 Spannerstherevengein3D,17/11/2009 13:11:32
200

How will you? both of them contain numbers.
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Oh dear.

Bully Boy's guard dogs are running to his rescue.

Such a pity that in this case the guard dog is a poodle.
182

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 13:24:08
204

You know JP's right the links always come back to the Hootsmon. How sad and desperate are they for advertising space these days?

205

You wish!
183

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 13:25:29
204

Now its UK GOV.zip.Hootsmon.troll
184

Spannerstherevengein3D,

17/11/2009 13:32:20
205

Strange how you accept the fact that I refer to you as the mathematically challanged troll and you dont question it?
185

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 13:33:53
199 jim jones

There are certain aspects of the Glasgow bid for these Games which I think could have been better.

In particular, I would point to the potential redevelopment of Shawfield Stadium, more or less adjacent to the proposed athlete’s village, as a multi-purpose sports venue capable of holding a variety of track and field events.

This is a huge site and east-end resource which is being allowed to crumble and fade away into sad oblivion.

Who knows, it may even have been possible to attract the one time owners back there as the venue for a professional football team.
186

tommy M,

Scotland 17/11/2009 13:44:22
Erm, did we see a penny of lottery money which was diverted for the Olympics in london?

Refurbishment of St Pancras station £800m.

Or the Library in Norwich – the costs went from an estimate of £229m to final £1.6 billion.

We Scots alone bear the cost of the Holyrood Parliament building. New offices for Westminster Ministers and Staff: Marsham Street - £1.4bn. Refurbishing MoD’s Whitehall HQ - £2.3bn – we pay "our share" through taxation as we have for the Palace of Westminster and all London and other Government buildings.

And that's not including the costs of Trident and illegal wars.

Union dividend.

It's time.

187

tommy M,

Scotland 17/11/2009 13:48:26
Cost of Wembley Stadium - twice that of Holyrood.

Cost of lives lost in illegal wars? Ask their loved ones.

Union dividend?

It's time.
188

Jo Public,

17/11/2009 13:48:28
#204 The Answer (to nothing really).

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/pesa_180609.

Page 128 provides the information 'Total Identifiable Expenditure on Services by Region per head in real terms 2008 - 2009 as thus;-

London £9,427
Scotland £9,312.

Real terms - understand?

A real website - understand?

Real figures - understand?

I'm not asking you to divide a figure you get from somewhere else with a figure you get from your pocket calculator.

I ask you to read the figures from this chart.

Tall order? Mmmm, probably, given your inability to understand figures or the written word.

This is the last time this request will be made. We know that if you do not read the figures and agree they are as I say they are, you will be recognised as an idiotic troll.

Also - you have already been discovered as a poster who posts links back to Scotsman websites. Pathetic. You have been found guilty. The Answer is if fact another well known idiotic poster.


189

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/11/2009 13:54:44
Near half a billion for some *games*???

They should play hopscotch and have a game or Rounders and be done with it.
190

watcher,

edinburgh 17/11/2009 14:12:35
I remember Salmond jumping with joy. What a waster!!!!
191

,

17/11/2009 14:29:38
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
192

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 15:28:23

"Are you Rufus in disguise?"-#190 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee

Interesting question.

Many posters ARE Rufus in disguise.

But I don't think that's The Answer
193

danbob,

17/11/2009 15:29:18
Seems the comments boards have run out of contributors. Can we have another couple of storys please Mr Hootsman editor sir, so a bunch of complete strangers can continue the bitching.
194

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 16:03:41
no-name
180-After getting a kicking they couldn’t stand the humiliation of being shown up because of the other Glasgow seats.
Spannerstherevengein3D
184-No denial then.
195

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 16:12:31
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee
198-Oh Mo, you know you can’t see me, so don’t appear to you at all. As I don’t appear to you at all I can’t then appear to you to be one rather strange individual. As yet you’ve not adequately denied you being the person who writes under the name of morris. I wrote in the third person to suggest an action to take which I myself wouldn’t take.
196

Ben Thehoose,

17/11/2009 16:20:53
Will Edward 'Wickerman' Woodward be cremated?
197

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 16:28:24
Ben Thehoose
220-I'm wondering about them using wood. Wood would be fitting.
198

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/11/2009 16:33:00
repost of 215, not sure of any rules broken..

174 Jo Public,17/11/2009 12:08:44

"I gave him a link the other day that states London receives the highest ‘Total Identifiable Expenditure on Services by Region per head in real terms’ (every year from 2004 to 2009)"

(every year from 2004 to 2009)??????????

I presume your talking about table 9.4 on page 128.

Maybe you meant to say every year from 2004 to 2009 , except
2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, and 2008-2009 because it's a spending plan year without an outturn.



outturn 2003-04
£8104 London
£8056 scotland

outturn 2004-05
£8316 London
£8154 scotland

outturn 2005-06
£8662 scotland
£8615 London


outturn 2006-07
£8813 scotland
£8686 London


outturn 2007-08
£9032 scotland
£9005 London

plans 2008-09(it dosent mean it's fact, 5 billions of public spending cuts due + extra unemployment costs etc, 4 billions less stamp duty raised in England)

£9437 London
£9312 scotland


http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/pesa_180609.pdf
199

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 16:46:50
219 Warden Resurrected,

I may tend to agree with much of what “morris” has to say but I am not him.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned, it appears to be total gobblygook.
200

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 17:07:07
223 Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 16:46:50
As far as the rest of your post is concerned, it appears to be total gobblygook.
---------------------------------------------

"gobblygook"?

What the heck is "gobblygook"?

It is "gobbledygook" or even "gobbledegook" you dimwit.

What a shocker of a day on here for you Bully Boy.

Why do you constantly embarrass and humiliate yourself on here? Is it some kind of attention seeking syndrome that you are afflicted by?

Bully Boy get some help here. They have even put your name into the URL.............How apt is that?

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/attent.htm
201

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 17:07:46
"gobblygook"

HAHAHAHAHA

202

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:09:04
I've heard of slow news days -but slow comment days?

How to explain the dearth of comment on "the turnip Taliban?" What a prudish lot. Wasn't there a book called "The Year of the Sex Olympics? The Tory Party seems to have a new breed of women -Dave's Babes?- who would surely make the grade at the Commonwealth Games at least.

I had hoped Smee would appear and educate us in their ways. Alas, no. It seems Ukranian hookers with yellow teeth are more his research interest.
203

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:11:00
Good afternoon, Rufus.

You, at least, seldom fail to raise a smile.
204

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 17:14:51
Hi Cynicus.

Not much happening today apart from the odd bit of 'gobblygook' here and there!!
205

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 17:18:22
#224 Rufus

Try “google” for the word.

You are not particularly bright are you?
206

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:22:49
"Not much happening today apart from the odd bit of 'gobblygook' here and there!"-#228 Justin Timbercake

Sounds like someting Dave's Babes get up to.


"The Year of the Sex Commowealth Games" as a book title doesn't have quite the right ring to it.
207

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:25:28
Is Dave''s A-lister, Elizabeth Truss, related to Lynne Truss -of "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" fame?
208

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 17:34:54
232 Observer

Never having tasted the Rufus version, I may not disagree with you.
209

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:35:49
#232: Oh Dear (® Rufus)
210

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 17:39:30
In the days of "Major Sleaze" one young Tory apparatchik proposed a bold counter -attack:

"Labour picks your pockets;
"Tories drop their trousers."

For some reason the (then) PM wasn't keen on the idea.
211

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 17:46:13
235 Cynicus Unbound,

Perhaps he preferred an Edwina egg curry?
212

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/11/2009 17:50:30
236 Observer,,

Yes indeed, Super Major!

Did he have a big “M” on his singlet?
213

Col. Blimp IV*,

17/11/2009 18:04:07
#236/#238

I thought they were Mandrakes trademarks.
214

david wayne osedach,

San Diego 17/11/2009 18:48:16
You would think that at this point in the economy with all its unemployment construction and material costs would be cheaper.
215

danbob,

17/11/2009 18:54:24
240# That's a good point. Every major capital building project these days seems to be undercosted and it's time this issue was seriously looked at.
216

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 19:28:31
#236,#237

Gerald Warner of Scotland on Sunday ingeniously linked the two: when Edwina spilt the beans Warner wrote, "Now we know why John Major's shirt was tucked into his underpants."
217

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 19:31:47
Smee, Thou should'st be with us at this hour!

Never more was needed the man who is both an authority on the Tory Party and female sexuality!
218

Warden Resurrected,

The Nationalist Republic of Scotoma 17/11/2009 19:34:16
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee
223-Right, saying Dùn Èideann Bully Wee isn’t “morris” is obvious, but it isn’t a denial of the person who posts under the name of Dùn Èideann Bully Wee to not have posted under the name of “morris” at some time. What I think you need to do is swear you, as the person who posts under the name of Dùn Èideann Bully Wee and the only person who posts and has ever posted under the name, are not the person who posts under the name “morris” and never have done. You should also call upon a curse of everlasting sorrow be placed upon you on the occasion of you lying on this subject. You should also bind the first curse with one on the country known as Scotland to remain in the union with England as long as there remains a country known as Scotland on the occasion of you lying on this subject. Btw, no crossed fingers or anything else to stop the process. You should also swear all this in a post on this thread today.
219

crivensjings,

17/11/2009 19:52:02
£81 million is the same amount of taxpayers money wasted on funding Jim Murphy's Scotland Office in London.
220

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 20:04:34
observer
245-Observer, look at the post by morris in reference to #64 and #66 of the same thread, interesting.
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Glasgow-North-East-byelection-Decision.5816985.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#4601173

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Glasgow-North-East-byelection-Decision.5816985.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#4600944

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Glasgow-North-East-byelection-Decision.5816985.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#4600947
221

Cynicus Unbound,

17/11/2009 20:10:22
#247: YAWN
222

Col. Blimp IV*,

17/11/2009 20:40:16
#247 Warden Resurrected

Ewan, Andrew an' all they were just ganging upon you.
223

Col. Blimp IV*,

17/11/2009 20:41:14
#247 Warden Resurrected

Ewan, Andrew an' all...they were just ganging up on you.
224

Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 17/11/2009 20:45:11
Funny how you can never find a Robert Maxwell when you really need one.
225

Col. Blimp IV*,

17/11/2009 20:52:18
#251 Spoot

The General Election will be held before the Games.

Crooked former Labour MP's will be dime a dozen.
226

Col. Blimp IV*,

17/11/2009 21:21:41
#253 Observer

I see your old Goth training still comes in handy.
227

jim jones,

new glasgow 17/11/2009 21:23:52
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,
Sadly the entire problem for the Citizens of Glasgow, Scotland and the UK is once again you have the wool pulled over your eyes. I Have researched these games for a very long time and you will see the very same stories or apologies from Organizing Committees saying . Oh we thought there would be much more in sponsorship.
No matter how Manchester 2002 or Melbourne 2006 spins it they went well over budget by factors of Several Times the original estimate and they also had little in Actual Revenues to justify the end costs.
The way that things for Glasgow 2014 were hobbled together IE Diving in Edinburgh and Swim Racing in Glasgow goes to show. Certain people in Scotland knew that they could not afford these games and what the actual worth commercialy is . In 2002 not one single UK Retailer outside the Manchester area took on consignment 2002 Merch. In 2006 Melbourne had a 130 year old sporting goods chain go out of business becuase they got hooked into commonwealth games Merch.
The Scots can be as mad as hell at the lack of Funding from Whitehall for Glasgow 2014 but in the end it will hardly matter because only a Nigeria, Malaysia or India get a bounce in international imagine staging the games. The rest come away with a Billion pound bill with only 160 million in Revenues according the the Melbourne News media in 2006 . congratulations Scotland you have the Dunce prize of Sports Bidding in the 21th century
228

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 21:50:15
Col. Blimp IV
249-When I first came onto the Scotsman site I tried to put my own name down to be identified. Unfortunately it wouldn’t allow this. I then decided to make the best of my own name by using the letters from it to make up a new identity. Within minutes of getting to write on the site I found out why I couldn’t use my own name, someone else was using it. I wasn’t so disciplined at the time and whatever reason I was banned. When I reviewed why I was I was banned I found it didn’t match the evidence. I told the Scotsman of this, and after a review they told me I could return to writing on the Scotsman, but unfortunately I had to re-register with a new name. Have fun trying to workout my name.
229

Warden Resurrected,

17/11/2009 21:53:34
Observer
253-Luckily I protected myself.
230

Justin Timbercake,

17/11/2009 22:26:14
229
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,17/11/2009 17:18:22
#224 Rufus

Try “google” for the word.
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I don't need to check google Bully Boy.

Once again you blew it.

'Gobblygook' HAHAHA.

It even surpasses your more recent 'bebjabbers' comment.

You should stick to your 'Skye' TV Bully Boy as you are just embarrassing yourself on here.

231

ranjeet,

the shadows 17/11/2009 23:43:23
does anyone else feel theirs a fair bit h0m0-er0tic flirtation going on with quite a few of the comments on this page??

 

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