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Published Date: 01 April 2009
BARRY Ferguson and Allan McGregor could be high-profile absentees at Scotland's death-or-glory World Cup qualifier against Iceland at Hampden Park tonight.
National team manager George Burley was coy on all aspects of selection yesterday, but did nothing to quell mounting speculation that McGregor would make way for Craig Gordon in goal. This was in marked contrast to last week's early pronouncement that McGregor would face the Netherlands in Amsterdam last Saturday.

The dropping of Ferguson, Scotland's captain, is not so clear-cut but there were suggestions from within the camp that the Rangers midfielder may have fallen from favour. It would take a huge gamble on Burley's part to drop the captain, who had a very quiet match against the Dutch, but Ferguson was conspicuous by his absence at yesterday's pre-match briefing. The pre-match briefing normally involves the manager and the captain, and the media arrangements issued by the SFA to the press stated clearly that these were the two individuals who would be present. However, Burley was not joined by Ferguson as he faced the media, but by Gary Caldwell in an unscheduled change of personnel.

Burley has praised Ferguson highly in recent weeks, and it would take a serious change of heart to leave the player out at this stage.

Although the national team manager basically stonewalled all questions about his likely starting line-up on the eve of a match which must be won to maintain any hope of finishing runners-up in Group 9, there were unmistakable signs of his intention to effect changes that could leave some members of his squad at least sullen, perhaps even enraged.

The first hint that Burley may upset one or two players came when he refused even to discuss the possibility that Gordon will be reinstated as first-choice goalkeeper at the expense of McGregor.

Since the 3-0 defeat by the Netherlands on Saturday, there has been intense speculation over the position, some media reports claiming that the Rangers man would be replaced by the Sunderland and former Hearts goalkeeper as a consequence of his performance in Amsterdam.

There was similar debate last week, which Burley himself chose to end by announcing three days before the Dutch match that McGregor would play, largely because his rival had not appeared in his club's first team since November.

In that latter respect, nothing has changed, but, in deflecting questions on the issue, Burley refused even to comment on McGregor's exhibition in the Netherlands. If the manager prefers Gordon on this occasion, it may be interpreted as a slight on the former.

Burley has insisted since he took the job 14 months ago that Gordon is his No 1 and, in that respect, McGregor could be said to have no grounds for dissent if he is left on the bench. But the circumstances (Gordon's lack of practice has not changed since last week) may cause him a certain resentment. However, Burley would not be drawn on the background to his selection for tonight's match.

The possibility that other established names, including captain Ferguson and striker Kenny Miller, could also be dropped seemed to be reinforced by Burley's reluctance to give anything away and the force of his insistence that the Iceland match calls for "big decisions" from which he will not shrink.

"There are lots of areas to be looked at," said Burley, "and the team will not be finalised until tomorrow, when I'll tell the players. I'll choose the team I think is right for my country, the one I think can win the match.

"And the decisions will be mine alone. They will not be influenced by anyone else, or any other external factors. I have to be positive, nothing negative and I can't and won't worry about it.

"The present situation is similar to the one in Iceland last year, when we played them on the back of the defeat in Macedonia. Decisions had to be made then, too, and we won in Reykjavik . If you win, it's fine and if you don't, you get criticism.

"This entire exercise is about winning the match, not worrying about selections. I'll pick the team I think is right and the players are all good, professional people. If they are not picked, they'll take it in the right manner."

Burley himself, having won only one of eight matches since he succeeded Alex McLeish, will clearly come under personal pressure in the event of failure.

He admitted that not beating Iceland would make qualification "very difficult", but seemed unworried by his own position if the worst happens.

"I don't feel it's win-or-bust for me," he said. "I've been making decisions as a manager for 17 years and I'll continue to do that. It's an honour to be the Scotland manager and I'll be manager as long as my country wants me."

In an enforced change, defender Graham Alexander will be missing tonight with a hamstring injury, opening the door to Alan Hutton to make his first start at first-team level in five months.

Defender Stephen McManus, who missed Saturday's defeat in Amsterdam with an ankle injury, has trained for the past two days and could start, but it looks likely that Cristophe Berra will retain his place.

Wolves striker Chris Iwelumo also shook off a minor thigh strain to take part in yesterday's training session in Dumbarton.



The full article contains 909 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Silence of the Yams,

01/04/2009 01:19:56
Drop McGregor for Gordon, put in Hutton, McManus and Whittaker on the left as Teale is a waste of space. I'd leave Miller and play a 442.

Gordon

Hutton Caldwell McManus Naysmith

Brown Ferguson Fletcher Whittaker

McCormack Miller
2

Canadian Jambo,

01/04/2009 01:22:05
Brave man if he drops two Rangers players. Not because the decision would be wrong but because of who they play for. Could be a Boyd re-run.
3

Forward not Back,

01/04/2009 02:06:47
Barry the crab will no doubt call his hack friends to wail about the injustice of it all. Burley will end up with a big payoff like Paul Le Guen and Gordon Smith will look like an even bigger numpty. Everyone is happy.
4

Jon Bon Jovi,

Dublin 01/04/2009 02:08:32

barry backpass should be left on the bench. we need players with the motivation to drive forward.. ie brown in the middle!!!

JMG!!
5

Biggie Shackleton ,

Tasmania 01/04/2009 03:13:47
who is burley?
6

Rubbersoulman,

01/04/2009 05:29:59
Gordon
Hutton Caldwell McManus Naysmith(or Berra?)
Morrison D.Fletcher Brown Ferguson
McCormack S.Fletcher
7

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 05:34:13
Miller will play
8

BOBO UMBONGONDO,

01/04/2009 06:15:05
It appears to bad peeps had a swally session, anyone know who they are, Paul Le Guen must be PHSL,could he possibly have been right all along. It certainly calls Sir Minty's judgement of character into question, just shows some are more lucky than good.
9

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 06:34:34
Shearer to manage Newcastle.

Wish him luck, but they have been so poor it's hard to imagine anything bringing them back now
10

Tynietiger,

01/04/2009 07:19:04
Mc Gregor and Ferguson played against Holland as though they were on the bevvy.

I can exclusively reveal that the real reason they have been disciplined is that they have refused to sign Flower of Scotland defore the game.
11

Tynietiger,

01/04/2009 07:20:12
Even sing...
12

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 01/04/2009 07:36:02
Headline should be P##s artists dropped.What a pair of arrogant selfish dopes.This is the man who got a manager sacked for trying to get him off the booze.Who did sir Minty back?Thats right the good little Scottish boy and get rid of the frog.
They should not play again they are not that good anyway.
13

cabbage on tayside,

01/04/2009 07:37:57
Can't understand why Burley chose to have McGregor in goal on Saturday. Gordon is and always will be the better of the two keepers. As for Ferguson playing at this level of football is like sending out 10 men against 11. He can't get away with the boorish behavior he is allowed in the SPL when trying to compete at international level. Begs the question of how much autonomy Burley has in team selection. Does the shadow of Gordon Smith and the SFA blazers still loom large in matters of who does and who does not play ? Play the best possible 11 tonight and forget that playing to the media is more important than points on the board.
14

Alphonso,

Glasgow 01/04/2009 07:48:06
Mmmm

Drop McGregor - what did he do wrong in Holland? Not much as far as I could see. Blocked off at Holland's second goal? Has Gordon now managed to get the first team games under his belt for his club since Saturday which were Burley's criteria for getting a game, or was he happy to hang McGregor out to dry, knowing a humping was on the cards and he might need a scapegoat?. Who knows, maybe Gordon, if he plays, wont have any further shockers between the posts - maybe not.

Ferguson - didn't impose himself on Saturday, but that has been the way for some time with him. On the other hand, What has 'goldenballs' Darren Fletcher done to deserve his 'untouchable' status (other than sometimes play for Man U - beside players who make his passes look good)?. I thought he was our worst midfielder on Saturday. Scott Brown did his usual headless chicken chasing a ball routine - and wasted it every time he had a chance to play someone in.

IMHO, from Saturday I would drop Teale (waste of a jersey), Miller (another headless chicken), Berra (sorely exposed on Saturday), Alexander (for anyone else at right back) and possibly Naysmith.

Sorry to say it, but these guys just aren't up to the job. We need our experienced players like Ferguson, McGregor, Caldwell, even McGregor (how many Euro games beyween these?) more than we ever have done. And Burley, IMHO, hasn't got a clue and is verging on Bertie Vogts-like mediocrity
15

Gridlocked,

01/04/2009 07:48:10
You're all being unfair on Ferguson. It's not his fault that the rest of the team aren't up to his standard and concistently pass the ball too quickly and move forward too offensively. Prime example ws Miller's chance, if he'd ran slower, Ferguson would have had time to get up and support him.
The pitch in Amsterdam also looked heavy and uneven in parts which doesn't help an artist like Barry.
16

Alphonso,

Glasgow 01/04/2009 07:51:03
Sorry, last para - should have said 'even McManus'.

Still expecting brickbats from the Old Firm or Rangers - haters out there.

And for you lot to call McGregor and Ferguson p!$$ artists when Burley is the manager - you don't do irony!
17

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 07:51:17
The song before the match should be Substitute.


Burley uses more than your normal person does Kleenex tissues
18

ally g,

Brussels 01/04/2009 07:54:05
Artist! p... artist you mean
19

mill tecnniques,

adelaide 01/04/2009 07:54:05
afraid we wont win this.Against the dutch we were defensevly inept.The dutch were only doing the minimum to ensure victory,and still spanked us.Ok Iceland arnt holland but are you guys brimming with confidence whilst looking at burleys stats.I criticised a few players after the dutch game and i stick with that , berra,mc cormack,teale,alexander simply not good enough.you,ve got players playing for Cardiff and Derby in this team,whats wrong with the blokes who play in our premier league are they no better than that.Stewart(hearts),riordan(hibs)immediatly come to mind.Get to the bookies 1-1.
20

Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 08:03:07
I don't believe that McGregor is being axed, I think that he forced himself into a corner because of the Boyd situation when he decided not to pay Gordon, and now he wants to play Hutton so he cannot be seen to employ double standards so he brings back Gordon as well.

I think the whole situation is crazy, we have to play what we consider our best players all the time, if fit, and this has not been done recently and all sorts of excuses have been used.
21

carrottop,

01/04/2009 08:06:47

Must have been the drink that made them think they were superstars, lets have a team full of players who still think it an honour to represent their country.
22

Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 08:06:50
#15 - dont use the pitch as an excuse for Barry on Saturday he was totally non existant in the game.

I remember players like Pele, Eusebio, George Best playing outstanding matches on pitches a whole lot worse that Saturday in Amsterdam, in fact I remember Best scoring 5 goals on a quagmire of a pitch and he WAS an artist.
23

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:07:30
FIFA has announced that a one minutes silence will take place at all games today for the Ivory Coast disaster victims.


The Scotland fans are always great doing this right.


Beautifully kept, then a big Hampden roar after.
24

Hibernia,

01/04/2009 08:08:28
As far as I am concerned neither are a big miss for Scotland. When Scotland play without Ferguson the team always has a better shape about it, the ball is moved quicker and OK the results are often still poor but the displays are better.
25

John H,

edinburgh 01/04/2009 08:08:29
Pray to the heavens it's true and not an April fool. Barry dropped would give us a chance. Hope he does a Boyd, takes the huff as he does often enough and goes AWOL for good.
26

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:10:25
ToTT

McGregor and Ferguson drinking unitl 11pm.

They would be first ones out the bar, then



27

the REF's wee boy,

01/04/2009 08:12:25
Ranger fans must ask is this common practice at Ibrox? if so can it explain some of the poor games this season.
28

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:20:51
ToTT

I forgot about summer time.


29

hibbyspurs,

01/04/2009 08:23:20
Ferguson & McGregor have shamed themselves if the drinking story is true & embarrased their country on the day of the most crucial game in this WC qualyfing campaign.

Neither should be allowed to wear a Scotland jersey in anger again.

Fortunately every cloud has a silver lining and the banishing of Ferguson really is a blessing in disguise as he's mince, one of the most over rated players in history (hence why he came running back to Rangers after being found out down south).

Scotland perform better without him rather than for some absurd reason everything having to "go through" him when he is on the park, even Rangers have played better without him when absent this season, tells a story me thinks but as he's still very much the "darling" of the west coast press and seemingly the SFA then we've been lumbered with him as national captain. Hopefully these antics will lead to his overdue fall from grace and the national team can get on with the business of finishing second inn our group and having a pop at a play off.

Sadly there is a downside and that is that Rangers might improve a bit if he ends up dropped from their team as well. Can't have it all ways though I guess.
30

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 08:23:54
#14 "On the other hand, What has 'goldenballs' Darren Fletcher done to deserve his 'untouchable' status?"

Well, for a start he created the only chance we made in open play on Saturday, putting Miller 10 yards clear and clean through on goal with the score at 0-0. If the shot-shy "striker" had converted that we'd have had a very different game on our hands.

I'm praying extra-hard this morning that this story isn't an April Fool. If Burley really does have the guts to drop Ferguson, who's been a passenger for Scotland for years, he'll rocket in my estimation whether we win, lose or draw.
31

Will1875,

01/04/2009 08:29:20
Its really simple. The three rearrangers players were rubbish at the weekend.

Miller could kick a cows @rse if he was holding its tail. McGregor is overrated after a good season and Barry 'Backpass' hasn't EVER played a good game for his country.
32

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:29:38
ToTT

Several outstanding players in their team.

Not up for the big league yet, but very promising and scoring every game
33

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:30:53
#36


Ferguson was world class when Scotland beat France at Hampden
34

busbyfh,

01/04/2009 08:32:14
Walter Smith , David Murray
Hope you guys are wriggling with embarrassment regarding your players.
Two refuse to play for their country
Two have been booted out for boozing - seemingly
Two have been prevented to play due to mock injury

What a football club.......It would make me cringe to be a Rangers fan.
Yet another reason to detest the mockery of a team through west.
35

The fugitive,

Coatbridge 01/04/2009 08:32:54
Where's the Pundit?
36

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 08:35:00
BBC News is now reporting the story of Ferguson and McGregor being dropped as official.
37

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:38:55
#41

Rev

Does that mean it's true or just official?
38

Tartan Terrier,

London 01/04/2009 08:44:17
I really hope Burley does have the balls to drop Ferguson for this game. Nothing against Ferguson personally, but I just don't see what he offers Scotland (or Rangers for that matter) these days, particularly in a match where the attacking onus in on us. He is far from the box to box midfielder that he once was (and in any case we have Brown now to fill that role) and its so obvious when watching a Scottish performance that he is part of that our attacking play slows down as soon as he gets on the ball (always seems to want to take an extra touch, look around, then play the ball backwards or sideways). Clearly we are a team of limited ability, and that makes it even more important that when we do get in positions to attack we do so quickly - we can't afford to carry a player like Ferguson who perhaps does have better than average technical ability but not the legs anymore to really impact proceedings.

My team for a must-win match, for what its worth:

Gordon (he is without doubt our best keeper - play him!)
Hutton (hope he is match fit, we desperately need him)
Caldwell
Berra (thought he had good game - penalty was a mistake but result was beyond doubt by then in any case - I always worry about McManus' lack of pace at this level)
Naysmith (in the absence of anyone better. Would like to see young Wallace of Hearts get a look in soon)
McCormick
Brown
D. Fletcher
Morrison
Iwelumo (we need to score, this guy has done so at club level although admittedly inexperienced at this level)
S. Fletcher (thought looked good in brief cameo against the Dutch)

39

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 08:44:19
#42 Well, since it's about a couple of Union Jack wavers I'm sure the BBC wouldn't dare lie about it...

;)
40

The fugitive,

Coatbridge 01/04/2009 08:45:06
Good news! I've found the pundit. He's popped up on the Alan Shearer thread. Could it be that he hasn't an opinion on the Ferguson / Mc Gregor booze up?
No doubt he'll blame it on Burley.
41

huggs,

01/04/2009 08:45:49
Not only the Rangers fans who let down and embarass the nation its also the players
That should be the end of there international careers
Where is the pundit today seems to go missing a lot these days
Rangers Scotlands shame
42

lachlan,

01/04/2009 08:47:45
paul le guen were you right? all these so called 'expert'pundents who said otherwise?
43

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 08:53:47
Worth a thought that McFadden went missing after a friendly in Hong Kong.

Sent home by DHL a few days later.

I was there, so remember the nonsense that went on around it.

Also recall a story from a very good source of three Celtic players in Lisbon (and wives who arrived back at the hotel because their flight was delayed)

Nothing new.

The only questions to be asked are of the manager's control and expectations

44

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 01/04/2009 08:57:36
It has been noticed that Rangers contributors are trying to convince themselves their three darlings on Saturday had a good game.

I don't believe in this nonsense about Gordon not having enough first team games. He is playing in a highly competitive reserve league. He is unfortunate that he is being kept out of the Sunderland side, but if he came into the team next match he would be ready to perform to his best. McDonald came in for Balogh when he was suspended. He didn't say I may be c r a p boss as i have had no first team games he just got on with it... When a keeper comes in through injury or whatever it doesn't matter how long it is since he played for first team he is till expected to and will perform to best of his ability. It don't matter if you save a hard shot from an up and coming 19 year old or a hard shot from an experienced international you still have to save them the same way.
45

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 09:03:55
#48 Did those players have an absolutely vital game three days later, though?
46

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 09:06:46
"Due to a breach of team discipline, Ferguson and McGregor will not play tonight," confirmed an SFA spokesman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7971845.stm
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01/04/2009 09:06:50
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Tartan Terrier,

01/04/2009 09:10:31
#49
Completely agree. I think the 'lack of matches' argument is less important for keepers than outfield players, and in any case I think that, in the case of Gordon, he is so far ahead of McGregor in terms of ability that it would be a risk worth taking. Think Burley rather backed himself into a corner in terms of picking McGergor against the Dutch because he hammered home the lack of matches argument as his reason for not picking Boyd in the past (rather than admitting that it is because, like many of us, he doesn't have confidence in Boyd's ability to perform in the big games against decent opposition).
50

The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 09:12:11
Burley does the old Indian Switch.


51

Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 09:15:38
If Ferguson and McGregor are actually dropped this time, just watch the call offs at the next squad get together.
52

Tartan Terrier,

01/04/2009 09:17:33
Anyone know if Ferguson and McGregor have actually been removed from the squad as well as the starting team, and if so will Burley be calling up replacements? Always thought that Michael Stewart was a little unfortunate to be left out when guys like Rae of Cardiff get into teh squad. Much as it paind me to say it, would also probably have Riordan in there - he at least provides us with that little bit of x factor and could be useful off the bench.
53

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 01/04/2009 09:19:15
its great to see that the age old traditions of Scottish international get togethers are being maintained.

Jimmy Johnston. Billy Bremner.etc

Mind you in these days our guys could go out on the swally all night and take on Brazil the next day.

We'd get cuffed though.
54

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 01/04/2009 09:20:33
Riordan.

x factor.

Brilliant.
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01/04/2009 09:23:49
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Tartan Terrier,

01/04/2009 09:25:43
#59 - I know, unfortunate choice of words! What I mean is he is one of the few players available that is capable of offering something a little bit different. McFadden would be the other but unfortunately injured. Can't stand the guy personally though, but then I am a jambo!
57

TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 09:28:40
I reckon this will bring about Ferguson's retiral from international duty - which will be no bad thing.

This drinking culture has been prolific at Ibrox for years and this is one of the major reasons for Rangers failure in recent times.

The drinking culture was very strong under Smith in Rangers 9IAR team - with Goram, Gazza, McCoist,Durant McCall etc,

When Advocaat arrived he signed more professional types and the drinking culture disappeared.

PLG, Advocaat and Souness were all real disciplinarians - Smith is not as much. His 9IAR team used to contribute the drinking culture to their success -Andy Goram said numerous times "The team that drinks together wins together"

Smith and McCoist have re-introduced this drinking culture into the present day squad - and it's all the Scots at the centre of it - McCoist, Durrant, Ferguson, McCulloch, Boyd, McGregor,Daily.

Burley is right to axe Ferguson/McGregor because a few drinks shouldn't turn into a 15 hrs marathon session and turning up steamboats for lunch the next day. Disgraceful behaviour from a so called captain and a fellow professional.

If Murray wants to turn RFC around on the park, he too will have to take drastic action and get rid of this culture and get rid of Ferguson, McCoist and Smith.

Burley has shown he has the guts to sort them out - has David Murray the same courage?
58

Buckie,

Earth 01/04/2009 09:30:12
I'm afraid the drinking was much worse than first thought http://thejaggythistle.blogspot.com/2009/04/barry-ferguson-and-allan-mcgregor.html
59

Tartan Terrier,

01/04/2009 09:34:58
#62 - I agree. There is no way he can be re-instated as captain and don't think his ego could take playing having been stripped of captaincy. He'll opt for retirement rather than the uncertainty of not being an automatic pick.
60

Voice o reason,

Innerspace 01/04/2009 09:49:13
#64 Ach if he opts for retirement he can always be a driver on the new F-Rail Loop in Edinburgh....
61

AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 09:50:36
How come it's always the Gers contingent that let the country down?

McCulloch, Boyd, Ferguson and MacGregor should be ashamed, that in the hour of their country's need, they bottled it!

I seem to remember Richard Gough making a James Hunt of himself too.

Is it a unionist thing??
62

It's me!,

01/04/2009 09:52:05
Well done George Burley. Now strengthen your position by banning those players who pulled out from the squad due to 'injury' from playing for their clubs for the requisite period.
63

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

01/04/2009 10:07:22
Is this a bad April Fools gag being played on Iceland?

If not then surely both players should come out with a public apology. I thought that footballers were supposed to be professional athletes, so why did they think it was OK to play 90 minutes, fly back to Scotland and drink from 4am to 11am? Is that ideal rest and recuperation for your body?

Mind you what were the Scotland coaching staff doing - or did they expect grown men not to behave like neds on holiday?

Congratulations to the bar staff as well for continuing to serve them - you have done your country a great service.

64

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 01/04/2009 10:11:48
I have already said in previous post another day I would have Riordon in along with O'Connor.. I think Stewart's temperament can be suspect and he finds it difficult to keep his mouth shut.

54*

The manager shouldn't have to give a reason. You are right Burley put himself in a corner He should simply say this is my team. If player is not happy and wants to throw his toys out of the pram then that is his choice. but manager only should answer to his superiors and do that by results.
65

the beast,

London 01/04/2009 10:13:37
We are now chasing a runners-up qualification spot and amid the current helter-skelter of the group it’s difficult to see who is likely to come out second-best. Norway, currently bottom with a game in hand, will be real contenders. The Macedonians will fancy their chances after their opening win over Scotland. A win over Norway this week could potentially see them move three points ahead of us in the race for second. Then there’s Iceland, currently level with us on points but pipping us for goal difference.And now for the good-news, Burley was going to pick Craig Gordon anyway and take the flack from the west cost media about the decision but now it's a no brainer thanks to Mr McGreggors antic's and he has no choice but to dump captain marvel, a blessing in disguise I think.
66

Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 10:16:45
Ferguson and McGregor were quite obviously testing Burley. They sat drinking openly in the bar, apparently to "the amazement of luncheon diners and hotel staff."

To my mind this was them throwing down the gauntlet to Burley. This was a blatant challenge to his authority as the manager. The more sinister question is what was their motivation ? Were they seeking to humiliate Burley ? Did they imagine that he'd have to play them anyway due to Gordon's lack of fitness and Ferguson's many friends in laptoployalism ?

All guess work, but it doesn't smell right. This has all the hallmarks of an intended confrontation with Burley from the only two rangers players who played against Holland....what their game plan was I suspect we'll never know.

Burley should most certainly drop the pair of them for good. I don't see how he could trust either of them again. But there is a clear pattern beginning to emerge : there does seem to be a concerted effort from within Ibrox to undermine Burley.
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Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 01/04/2009 10:18:45
Mr Burley don't try to please us by giving the reasons for your selection or telling the Media the whys don'ts and wonts. Please us by winning matches and give us some hope of getting to finals. If we don't beat Iceland then resign, we don't have to know why, just go. Give someone else a chance.
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Pattie O'Dores,

01/04/2009 10:24:14
Bf to AMcG on Monday evening;
'That was a real tonkin' we took fae the Dutch on Saturday and you an' me had stinkers. Let's go oot an' get blootered the night.'
AMcG: 'But Bazza, we've got a big gemme oan Wednesday, wan that we need to win.'
BF: 'Ahm the captain. Ah can dae whut ah like. If Burley says anything ah'll get him sacked just like ah did wi' that French bloke when he tried to interfere wi' ma boozin', Come tae think of it, ah'm no too happy wi' Walter and Ally at the moment and ah'm thinkin' of havin' a word wi' Sir Minty when we get back. As for that guy, Sepp Blatter, he's next oan ma list fur the chop.'
AMcG: OK, Bazza, if you're sure it's awright.'
BF: Nae bother, Mac, ah'm untouchable.'
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Newcastle Jambo,

01/04/2009 10:28:10
#74 I'm assuming the whole thing is an April Fool until told otherwise.

I'm expecting to hear that some of the players got on a rowing boat at Largs after a few too many and drifted out to sea and that someone has failed a drugs test after taking hay fever pills prescribed by his club doctor.

Oh wait, those things did happen.
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Zambo,

01/04/2009 10:32:53
It wouldn't be so bad if our great captain had been caught drinking with the whole team instead of just his team mate, he should be dropped for his lack of leadership not lack of discipline. As for our keeper on Wednesday night, suggesting his performance was mediocre would be kind, hope he drinks for his country better than he plays in goal.
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common sense voice,

01/04/2009 10:37:34
on paper a fit young sportsman should be good for 3 or 4 pints and after a good nights sleep play a match.... alternatively a professional should be able to go a day without a drink...

i hope someone buys Ferguson over the summer and Boyd and any more of the old style Rangers...

WS has to make his mind up, is he one of the boys or a respected Mgr..
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 10:42:32
Minty won't be chuffed at this news I would have thought. Getting dropped for the Iceland game won't add any zeros onto McGregor's transfer value...quite the reverse in fact.

And methinks minty was hoping to pick up a cuppla million or so for Ferguson in the Summer...but the cat might very well be out the bag as regards why his form has been so poor this season : too much sauce.

Two of minty's ideal candidates for the pawn shop have been dropped from the national squad for bevvying right under the manager's nose.

The unthinkable moves closer : Davis and Mendes are becoming the only assets that the market might be interested in this summer, and in mendes case, that's a bit of an 'if'. I don't see any other players likely to generate the kind of cash that minty needs to get his hands on.
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Dundee Jambo,

01/04/2009 10:53:00
McG had couple of ok saves, though even I could have saved them. He was completely static for 1st two goals but for me his reaction when they went in said it all - there was no reaction. Gordon would have been screaming at his defenders for giving the Dutch not 1 but 2 free headers. I think we were never going to beat Holland and would have loved to have seen some young players getting bloodied in a game like that. We would probably have lost too but hell at least they would have played their hearts out. Ferguson is finished, time to admit defeat Burley, drop the old has-beens, pick the next generation and give them games together before the next qualifying campaign.
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hibbyspurs,

01/04/2009 11:02:16
#70

I personally dont think Deek is ready to play for Scotland again yet.

He needs to prove once an for all that he is prepared to put his own silly wee laddie antics behind him and behave like a professional footballer.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has and always has had the ability to play for his country but he must show the correct temprament and attitutde before being given the honour.

He felt it was a "smack in the teeth" to be snubbed for this squad well he should use that as his motivation to ensure that Burley has no option but to select him next time around by showing that along with the undoubted ability he really can behave like a sensible adult (most of the time at least).
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Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

01/04/2009 11:09:00
#74 I would have thought that the Daylate Ranger would have found out by now that the barman on duty that morning is Icelandic!!

Surely even they wouldn't stoop so low as to bring religion into it - oops, just remembered the glee I read yesterday in the piece about Boruc, sorry.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 11:21:13
Looks like the laptoployal's recovery campaign has leapt into action...headline in today's Evening Times :

"Is Scotland Manager George Burley in control...or not ? "
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Zener Diode,

01/04/2009 11:22:27
I initially thought this was an April fool to er, fool the Icelandic people.

No-one is bigger than the team, if they have been out of order then drop em.

No doubt if they are dropped the West Coast mafia will ship all their fans down south and boycott any future SPL games, wait what am I saying - that would be brilliant.

Go on Burley, drop em and listen the Westy's wail!

S Fletcher for a double, one hopes.

GGTTH
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 11:35:36
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It is pretty despicable that this story was buried to make way for a blitz on boruc.
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Dundee Jambo,

01/04/2009 11:36:27
Riordan would probably be a Scotland regular if he hadn't defected West to the glittering lights of Glesgie! Look at Judas Webster's career since he proclaimed him love for the Darkside. Fleck doesn't really stand a chance.

Is Garry O'Connor injured just now?
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Dundee Jambo,

01/04/2009 11:37:09
his love
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 11:38:17
The article in the evening times lists the problems that burley has had with various players, naming each of them : Mculloch, Boyd, Ferguson and McGregor.

The article vaguely hints that the problems might very well be confined to a particular group of players.

Yeah....just a tad.
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The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 11:43:31
Caldwell should be captain.

I think he has been a top notch player for Scotland.


Miller must play.


If Burley is on the ball he must know he needs the wee man making play
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Chorley 01/04/2009 11:45:39
73*
A chance to build a team for European Championships.
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Chas Niceass,

01/04/2009 11:46:48
Best news Scotland have had in ages. Bit ironic though, Burley axeing players for having a bevvy.
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The Kids Are Alright,

01/04/2009 11:55:51
Swordsman

As you well know, I am no expert in the arts of football.

However, Miller running and McCormack scoring will work tonight. Miller takes two men out every time. No back up. What can the player do?

Tonight is surely all about fast feete


A huge lightning storm statrtd as I said that. not on the weather forecast
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AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 12:11:13
#99,

Whatever gives you that idea?
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 12:11:15
I don't see how anyone might avoid the conclusion that McGregor and Ferguson wanted this to happen.

The story as reported has them sitting in a public bar of the hotel where the squad were staying, knocking them back in full view of all and sundry....and they sat there 'till lunch-time.

They both knew that at some point, Burley would get wind of it and that there would be a confrontation...and when that time came, they were having none of it and subjected him to a foul-mouthed rant by all accounts.

This was a deliberate ploy to spread disharmony within the squad, to undermine Burley, and with a vital world-cup match just days away.

WTF are they up to ? It seems pretty clear to me that they are determined to see Burley sacked, even at the cost of Scotland going to South Africa, and that they see the Iceland game as make or break for Burley, and that they've struck at a moment when he is most vulnerable.

Despicable really. Traitors.
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G,

dundy 01/04/2009 12:37:26
Ferguson and McGregor have shamed themselves and let down the team - they should be shown the door.
Ferguson is a shadow of the player he thought he was and McGregor is merely adequete...they'll not be missed.
IF as some suggest they have done this to stir up bother and get GB ditched then they should not succeed.
However I doubt if either has the nounce for that...
Come on Scotland!
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Smithy,,

01/04/2009 12:38:39
Miller is useless at club level so why he gets a game at international level is a mystery. Ferguson should never pull on the shirt again never mind being captain. Lets just hope he comes out and refuses to play for scotland again and saves GB the hassle he'd get for not picking him. Alexander and teale??? When are we going to start picking squads based on ability rather than what club you play for or league you play in?
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AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 12:42:57
Could it be that the 'Holy Trinity' of Murray, Smith and Findlay are behind this?

It's well known they have little love for their home country.
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Wheatfield G 01/04/2009 12:51:25
Get rid - end of. (they are both pesh anyway)
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aljok.23,

the world 01/04/2009 13:13:00
It has been obvious from the off that they were not willing to play. Wasting our nations time and our chances. Be off with you and consider your legacy.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 13:14:24
Why has the Scotsman yet to go to print on this story about McGregor and Ferguson ?

It's THE story in Scottish sport at the moment, but the scotsman won't breath a word about it ?
Yes, they're alluding to the possibility of the pair being dropped, but not a dickie bird about what went on at the training camp.

This is the newspaper which has published AT LEAST two 'Artur Boruc and how blunder prone he is' and 'here's a list of his other bluners' since Saturday.

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Calum Crubag,

01/04/2009 13:18:50
Maybe Gers' fans should ask if these clowns are doing it for RFC? How come a relatively poor Celtic team looks like winning the league?

Are Gers' players only 'loyal' if they get picked. Sounds like too many of them live on a diet of beer and chips. Not good enough for guys who claim to be athletes. Some Gers' foreign players have been disamayed at diet and behaviour of the Scots players in the team.

MacGregor and Ferguson - on the bench.
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Calum Crubag,

01/04/2009 13:20:06
Alexander and Toley Teale should never get anywhere near Hampden again unless it's playing for Queen's Park.
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante 01/04/2009 13:26:28
I was looking forward to the Pundits comments re his two Rangers players ie Ferguson and Mcgregor getting the old boot. I wonder why its seems to be the Rangers players and fans that get Scotland a bad name in world football.
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Louis Theroux 2nd,

Edinburgh 01/04/2009 13:30:45
Good on Burley.

Ferguson and macgregor abused the code of conduct and must be punished - simple as that. Could you imagine Capello or Sir Alex Ferguson doing anything Different?

What bemuses me is how a lot of the posts here regard the two players as being too big to drop. Macgregor is not exactly great (Gordon is better), and Ferguson is not playing to his best and therefore not missed.

We are talking about a player that couldn't cut it in the Premiership and someone who has a history of throwing his toys out the pram.

We need to move away from the drink culture if we are going to be taken seriously. Its the fans that can get merry not the players.

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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 13:32:48
I think the bevvy culture continued at ibrox during the advocaat years and indeed the mcleish years.
It was PLG who was the first to stand up to it most notably against Fernando Ricksen.

PLG was having none of it....he quickly laid down a marker that he wouldn't tolerate anything short of the highest standards in terms of discipline, diet, and abstenance from the bevy.

Ferguson didn't fancy that one little bit, and neither did most of his team mates. They had all grown used to the slack afforded to them under previous regimes.
Being told that 'the party's over' was too much of a culture shock, and certain of the players made it their business to get PLG sacked.

They got their way.
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busbyfh,

01/04/2009 13:32:49
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Answer
Because the scotsman is one of the many Scottish papers that has agreed to the request from David Murray a few years ago to put a lid on negative Rangers stories.
The Sun seems to enjoy sticking it to the govan lot but few other rags.

Not THAT many years ago, the crab and kung fu panda (at least 2 players taken out by flying kicks including Calum Elliot)would have been executed for their blatant treason.
They knew just when to perpetrate this "crime" - allegedly done to support their mate's Kris Boyd's animosity/fury towards Burley.

They are now in disgrace....Their families must be totally ashamed. It was not just the boozing - done by many others over the years - it was the timing and obvious planning to cause most trouble.

Their execution (in years long gone by) would have been very slow indeed, as an example to all !
The GFA - sorry - SFA should now ban them for life.

If that is done......just watch and see how many rangers players play for scotland again....what;s the betting SDM and WS take the huff and prevent all future call ups WITHOUT the feigning injury excuse.

Would that surprise anyone ? Surely not - after all Murray is a staunch unionist(admits Scotland is a distant second) and Smith broke his contract to leave the national manager's job - traitor.

How can the crab and Kung fu be anything other than what they are, when they have those two to look up to?
Any club with a sense of duty or scruples would also suspend the boozers ......don't hold your breath !!!
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:33:55
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Maybe Barry Ordinary wasn't taught Latin at School.

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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:36:22
How funny it is - Rangers two main players in disgrace, leaving their country in trouble and no sign of;

Dailyman

Pundit

Bemused Exile

Rouler

Thommo

Only Invictager (as usual) has chipped in his tuppence worth.

So much for the loyal loyal mob.

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Louis Theroux 2nd,

01/04/2009 13:37:38
Is Ferguson sponsored by McEwans?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:38:12
I guess it leaves us - Brown, Caldwell and McManus to get us out of the sh!t tonight.

True patriots and countrymen, one and all.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:38:46
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Naw Alka Seltzer.
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AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 13:40:59
With a role model like wee bazza, is it any wonder the Gers neds rioted last year?
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 13:42:03
132 Tim

FYI,

I have just logged on 5 minutes ago and was going through the previous posts.

If these players have been on a bevy session after that display on Saturday night the should be dropped for all the upcoming qualifiers.

And Tim in one of my posts yesterday, I said Gordon should play and BF dropped.

I did notice you failed to register a comment on Arturs disgrace with his country over the last couple of days.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:42:24
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No one likes them...no wonder
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:44:45
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Dailyman - I was logged in on Saturday and commented (at least six times) on Boruc as it was happening. Pay better attention big man!

Also, I have been mega busy at work since Sunday so haven't had a chance to come on here this week...until now.
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Laird O'Gorgie,

01/04/2009 13:51:03
Rangers fans were quick to condemn McGreedy when he opted for Ireland yet are very quiet about BasketBaw and McGregor getting pissed out of hours. Apparently the Evening Times is putting it about now that Burley has the problem. It fails to mention that Burleys problems are exclusively with four Rangers players.
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Dundee Jambo,

01/04/2009 13:52:22
#134 Scotland only fielding 3 players tonight? Which one is replacing McGregor in goal?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:52:27
Here's the thread from saturday Daily - btw I see 5 of my posts on this thread have been deleted. Dunno why - maybe because I painted an accurate picture of the pressure Boruc was under at Windsor Park.

Still there are two posts on there remaining about Boruc's performance.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scotland-prepare-to-tackle-the.5118251.jp
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 13:54:15
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Does it matter who replaces McNedder in goals?

I'd have Shaun Maloney in goal ahead of a drunken traitor.
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante 01/04/2009 14:11:57
I am quite confident Scotland will do the job tonight no matter who plays they will give their all for the Country.I would like to think Rangers would have something to say to the two wine merchants. Not only have they let the Scottish fans down they have also tarnished the name of Rangers Football Club. Glad to be a Hearts fan.
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Arfur,

01/04/2009 14:16:24
.........Gordon
....Caldwell McManus Berra
Hutton................................Naysmith
....Fletcher Brown Morrison
.............Fletcher McCormack
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Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 14:25:12
I just wonder when last a Scotland team played without any Rangers representation.
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Boab1,

01/04/2009 14:25:46
What happened to the other article which hadn't been hijacked by the usual crowd of mindless OF idiots trying to score points against each other rather than discuss what's happening without trying to introduce the 'we're not as bigotted as you' element? The truth is you're all as bad as each other and I wish Ibrox was free of the Sash numpties. Likewise the element at Parkhead who thought it ok to chant about pizzas. We all know what that was about. Shameful.

As a Rangers fan, Ferguson, if he did play again would be stripped of the captaincy. McGregor would get a second chance. Don't think there's much he could've done on Saturday. Neither should play tonight (once again Ferguson didn't play at the weekend either.
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 14:40:02
148 Idee

Check out the Glasgow ET. its all over the paper regarding AM and BF boozing session. So much for laptop loyals eh?

Both players should be dropped from the rest of the qualifying matches in this group.


147 Arfur

Like your line up considering Iceland will probably play with one up front.
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Louis Theroux 2nd,

01/04/2009 14:44:37
This is not about Rangers. Its about Scotland and two players who broke the rules.

I imagine they feel disgraced for what they have done, or atleast i hope they do. I heard they also got a kebab as well and that was the final straw!!!

They are both easy to replace so no worries there. I'd give the captaincy to Fletcher who is a model professional.

Come on the Scots.
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Doc Martin,

01/04/2009 14:48:12
Why o' why do the Scotland boards get hijacked by the OF muppets!

This is the 21st Century... leave your bigotry and your hatred where it belongs... in the past and start getting behind the team.

C'mon Scotland!!
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Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 14:49:38
Pundit, where have you been??

Sorry mate this is unforgiveable and I do believe there is more to it.
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Louis Theroux 2nd,

01/04/2009 14:52:56
155 - Are you Barry Fergoson or Alan Macgregor?

Football + Bevvy = loser
Football + Healthy lifestyle = champions

I never thought maths would come in handy. theres one to teach the kids.



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Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 15:00:52
#158 come on Pundit, Ferguson got PLG sacked for this same reason did he not?
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Laird O'Gorgie,

01/04/2009 15:03:40
#155 Probably the most ignorant comment you have ever made.
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aljok.23,

the world 01/04/2009 15:03:54
#154. I don't think you understand that it is Scotland supporters who are disgruntled with the attitude towards our national team by these players who all come from the same club(no coincidence, no paranoia and i hope no trouble any more for any present or future Scotland Football Manager).
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:10:01
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Typical GERM.

Condoning the drinking culture just cause it's his wee favourite wee teddy bearz.

Would be so different if it was affecting England's national side. Then you'd be up in arms ya wee hypocrit.

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BazJT,

01/04/2009 15:12:19
#160 LOG

Do you think so ? Personally I think he's made for more ridiculous statements on an almost daily basis.


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Johnny Jambo,

01/04/2009 15:14:50
Is it true that Dick Advocaat is interested in Barry, if thats the case I hope he gets him a good supply of Voddy.
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante 01/04/2009 15:18:47
158 thepundit,come on you and I know you cannot make anyone drink especially a 31 year old if they dont want to. No excuses they are a couple of idiots who could not live up to the TRUST given to them by the manager.As the captain one expects better from him. I hope thats the end for them both as far as getting selected for Scotland.
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Alba AbĂş,

01/04/2009 15:19:14
"Ferguson and McGregor could face axe"

Please hand me the axe.
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Dundee Jambo,

01/04/2009 15:20:32
#155
Can't believe you've tried to play it down like that. These guys are (supposed) professional sportsmen, who are paid a small fortune, and it should be a privilege to play for their country, no matter who is the head coach. They should know by now how important it is to our nation to qualify for the World Cup finals, and should have been even more determined after a bad result to be ready for the next game, which is now a vital one. The contempt they have shown in their actions towards our country and its people is deplorable. Shame on them.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:21:39
I don't know why Scottish Supporters are responding the wind up by Pundit (an Englishman) about our national team and our players.

Don't take the bait lads - he doesn't care about Scotland. He's English.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:24:50
It tells me everything about Pundit when he agreed he'd support Iraq if the Iraqi national team was full of Rangers players.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

01/04/2009 15:25:16
Ha, thought this was an April fools joke when I heard it on the BBC (big enough story for the national news but not the Scotsman? Tsk, must try harder).

Best news we could possibly have had, and when combined with the news that Alexander is out injured (IMO the only player on the pitch on Sat that was worse than these two children) then I'm pretty confident of a win.

I think Burley should have dropped both of them anyway as they were so poor on Saturday (I don't care what anybody says about McGregor's quality - not only did he not move for either of the first two goals (if you can't see, move!!) but he didn't look bothered in the slightest that he'd conceded), but their childishness has made his job easier.

To play a bit of Devil's Advocaat though, maybe it's a bit much to suggest that this is some kind of conspiracy. Maybe, just maybe, they both had a moment of self-awareness, realised "my God we were both gash on Saturday" and decided to ease their pain with several beverages? I know Bazza isn't really known for his intelligence but just maybe.......
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:28:08
Further if Iraq had a team of Rangers Players (though I doubt RFC could afford an Iraqi player) - But if they Iraq was full of RFC players and were playing v Scotland - Pundit the GERM (Grubby English Rangers Muppet) wouldn't want Scotland to win.

Says it all really.

That and he doesn't care how England won the world cup - by incompetent bordering corrupt officials - no he doesn't care as long as the name is on the trophy.

Sad wee loser
Isn't he?
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Number 6,

Germany 01/04/2009 15:28:43
Good grief Scotsman, even the Daily Record are on top of this story :

SCOTLAND captain Barry Ferguson and Allan McGregor have been dramatically axed from tonight's World Cup crunch with Iceland after a marathon booze session at the Scots' luxury Loch Lomond base.

Record Sport revealed the Rangers duo had a blazing row with manager George Burley on Sunday afternoon after drowning their sorrows in a hotel bar for more than eight hours.

The squad is based at plush Cameron House Hotel and most returned there after jetting home from the 3-0 defeat to Holland in Amsterdam on Saturday.

Today the SFA confirmed the pair had been dropped for tonight's vital qualifier. An SFA spokesman said: "We can confirm that there has been a breach of team discipline.

"This has been dealt with within the squad.

"The focus of today is victory this evening and we will be going all out for three points."


The squad arrived back at their base from Amsterdam around 4am on Sunday and about half a dozen players headed straight for the bar. But while others drifted back to their rooms, the Ibrox duo were still decamped in the Great Scot Bar at lunchtime to the amazement of well-heeled guests and health club members.

Burley confronted the pair and an angry exchange followed.

Initially Burley ordered the pair home but reversed the decision after receiving a grovelling apology.

When Ferguson failed to appear at yesterdays Press conference at Dumbarton, SFA spokesman Rob Shorthouse claimed the skipper had rushed away from training to be at an appointment.

But Burley was already hinting heavily at dramatic changes to his starting XI for amatch Scotland must win to have any chance of reaching South Africa 2010.

The incident throws into disarray the manager's plans for the crunch game for the Scots who need all three points if they are to have a chance of qualifying for South Africa through the play-offs as a second-placed country.

"There's a lot of big decisions
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:32:46
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Yes we do - YOU!

BTW what happened to the LAST POST!

Ps...Follow you around? Er who was first on this thread today?

Er who hasn't been on these threads for 3 days?

Er...it's you that needs to get a life and follow you're own country instead of being ashamed of being English.



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Number 6,

Germany 01/04/2009 15:33:19
big decisions.....

"I will speak to my staff but it's one where I need to back my own judgment.

"I won't worry about other factors, simply what I feel will be the best team to win."


Initially yesterday Burley refused to say if he would stand by McGregor just a week after naming him as Scotlands No.1 ahead of ring-rusty rival Craig Gordon.

And the manager was reluctant to confirm that his dream midfield trio of Ferguson, Manchester Uniteds Darren Fletcher and Scott Brown, of Celtic three players he said could play for any side in the world would make the starting line-up.

Burley said: "Every position is under consideration. Its a massive game. I have to make bold decisions.

When asked if some big names might be left out Burley said: "As a manager you can't please everyone. That is not my job.

"I will pick the team for my country with no inhibitions and without thinking about individuals. It's a one-off game and we have to go for it.

"It's about trying to win. Who is in the bench or in the stand doesn't matter. We are all as one."

According to Tam Coyle, spokesman for the West of Scotland Tartan Army, the incident had provided an "unwelcome" distraction to Scotland's qualifying campaign.

"Anything that takes away from the focus of tonight's game is unwelcome," he said.

"We need three wins in a row to have a chance of qualifying.

"The manager appears to have had no choice, it seems that the two players have been given a wee bit of rope and they have taken a length.

"It will either stiffen the resolve of the players or it could be a draw or worse which could be the final nail in the coffin for Burley."

Tam Ferry, spokesman for the East of Scotland branch of the Tartan Army, said Burley "must feel let down" by the duo.

He added: "Maybe he is cutting is nose off to spite his face but we will see tonight.

"Craig Gordon will come and do a good job in goal but whoever replaces Ferguson will have a lot of responsibility."
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:35:20
Ps...Talking of Sad losers.

Who was caught cheating on a daft wee predictor league?

Who was stating just a few weeks ago - One on a Row?

Who was offered a better paying job than he's on now and refused to send his CV in?

Yep loser Pundit the man who has an ID crisis.

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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:36:11
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Well if you aren't then you are talking to yourself - and that believe it or not is... sadder!
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:37:17
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Another sneering laugh at Scotland and our manager from an Englishman.

How pathetic.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 15:51:39
Pundit's CV

Name: Mr GERM Pundit

Occupation: This and That occasionally in between jobs.

Age: Mental 9, Physical 90, Spiritual 0.

Address: A Caravan Site nr Clydebank,

Postcode: GYPO

Sex: Still Undecided

Marital status: Still waiting for my Blow Up doll to say "I do"

Education: Attended an Early Learning Centre for a day once.

Previous Employment: Can't say, incase the taxman finds out. But I've been keeping myself busy - filling out benefit forms and that.

Interests; I used to like football and followed Chester City as a lad. But since moving to Scotland I no longer follow football and just go to Ibrox instead.

Other Languages: Been told I have basic body language.

Computer Skills: I post regularly on Scottish newspaper sites to annoy Scottish and Irish people.

Qualifications: Grade A a55hole.

References: Don't have any to hand but I might ask my mate Dailyman - he seems to like me.

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No wonder he never sent it in for that better paying job.








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Roscoe P Coltrane,

01/04/2009 15:58:10
Mr Malloy, you're not exactly covering yourself in glory here. Just drop it, it's not good for your insides to be that angry.
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

01/04/2009 16:00:19
#193 My god you're boring! At least he's trying to have a reasonable debate about things - adding in a bit of humour now and again. You're just being vindictive. Did he do something terrible to you in a previous life?!
By the way, i'll bet you'd support Iraq if they were playing England - with or without players from the team you support within their ranks and i'll also bet if Scotland won the world cup with dubious decisions and linesmen you wouldn't care either!
For what it's worth, both players will play for Scotland again, that much seems fairly obvious to me. If they are in the squad tonight, then their punishment is being dropped. We won't miss either tonight because gordon is a better keeper and Barry hasn't been cutting the mustard for a while. I think a very nervous 1-0 win with Caldwell scoring is on the cards!!
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01/04/2009 16:00:21
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Angry Roscoe? No me, I am just tugging wee Pundit's chain and laughing at him trying to be dignified by responding in the third person.

Think you are right though there's only so much fun a Cat can have with a mouse.


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01/04/2009 16:04:45
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Jambo

Wrong on every assumption mate.

When Scotland qualified through Joe Jordan's handball I was disgusted. If we won the world cup through dubious means I'd take no glory from it.

If England were playing v Iraq, I'd support them. In fact I support all the British teams except Northern Ireland - after what they did to Danny McGrain, Artur Boruc and Neil Lennon I wish them nothing but defeat.

I also support ROI because of my Irish roots.


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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:06:44
Hey Pundit, look I am making you more popular than you have ever been.

Looks like you can add a few names to your CV reference list to get a better job.

Soon you'll be Billy Some Mates.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

01/04/2009 16:06:57
198 - I suppose that's fair enough, we all open ourselves up to criticism by the very fact of posting on here.

However, your posts, especially 193, are making you sound like a very bitter wee man. Whether or not you actually are that bitter wee man, that's how you're coming across.

Just a bit of friendly advice from a (relatively) neutral observer, nothing more.

Your thoughts on tonight's result instead (very subtle change of subject attempt.....)?
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AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 16:10:05
Hi Pundit,

Hooz it gaun pal?

I reckon Scotland will stuff the Icelanders 4-0.....despite Rangers FC's best efforts!
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:12:04
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Roscoe, believe me when I say this... I really have far bigger things going on in my life than to be bitter about a No Mark like Pundit.

I admit I wind him up from time to time because that's what he's been doing to others - kinda giving him a taste of his own medicine - which he struggles to take, but admittedly he is getting better.

Moving onto tonight - Scotland 3 Iceland 0.

Scorers - McCormack,S.Fletcher and Caldwell.

Both Rangers numpties will not get a game and will regret this for a long time to come.
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AJ Fife,

01/04/2009 16:18:27
Pundit,

Two goals each half and the boys will deserve a right good bevvy efter the game.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

01/04/2009 16:22:32
209 - good man.

Reckon 3 might be a little optimistic, but we should get at least 2. You could be right about wee Ross getting a goal though, he was really banging them in earlier in the season, and looked not only inventive at the weekend but willing to put in a real shift.

Hopefully everybody will be REALLY up for this game - I honestly reckon we played well for the first half an hour or so on Saturday, and dropping BF will hopefully allow us to attack with some pace. We've got a point to prove.

Right, I'm supposed to be preparing for an interview so that I'm 'allowed' out tonight, so best crack on!

'MON SCOTLAND!!
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:23:31
212

What happened to LAST POST?

Mission Accomplished. Back into the bag with the reel and rod, must remember to use that bait again.

BTW...PUNDIT, if it makes you feel any better, call me ASDA. In fact call me whatever you want. I genuinely couldn't care less.

Job done.

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01/04/2009 16:24:51
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Job done and TEE HEE!
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01/04/2009 16:25:47
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If we can score two in Iceland I think we can score 3 tonight.

They are not a good team and if we are jagged up for it - then we'll win handsomely.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:27:57
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Job done - tee hee.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 16:28:32
on the hootsman predictor i've gone for a 3v1 win with former Celt bjarnesen scoring the opening goal, and 1v1 at half time.

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01/04/2009 16:28:38
psst 219

What happened to LAST POST?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:35:15
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Bitter Orange with Ice...quite like that myself.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 16:37:33
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Maybe they were drinking Barry Cham.
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caeru71,

Cumbernauld 01/04/2009 16:41:50
I'd play: Gordon; Hutton, Caldwell, Berra, Naismith; Morrison, Brown, Fletcher, McCormack; Miller, Fletcher.

I predict: 5-0

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Dave from Pakistan,

01/04/2009 16:45:23
Brilliant Ferguson, hopefully has dropped himself, as that blind eejit can't see what is plainly obvious for all to see; Ferguson is absolute rubbish. The icing on the cake is that Alexander is not playing; he's not even amateur class.
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caeru71,

Cumbernauld 01/04/2009 16:49:46
5-0 is 66-1 at bet365 I've got a fiver on it. I'm optimistic :-)
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caeru71,

Cumbernauld 01/04/2009 17:00:20
Gordon is a better gk than McGregor and Ferguson isn't at his best atm so he'd be the best option to drop from the midfield three in order to switch to 442. So this drinking incident may turn out to be fortuitous in some way for us. I support Rangers, but I support Scotland more.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

01/04/2009 17:05:20
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Good to see you support Scotland more than Rangers. Personally I support Scotland more than Ireland but not more than Celtic.

Pundit, do you support England more than Rangers?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 17:57:57
According to the BBC, Barry Sideways and the Fusilier are on the bench tonight. WTF? You can't drop someone for disciplinary reasons then bring them on as a sub, which means they're just taking up two places that could go to other players and give the manager more options.
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 18:19:18
238 pundit

If you are dropped you should be in the stand.

No excuses for the behaviour of the 2 players, and one was the captain.
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the sad thing is there were a supposed 3 other players drinking with them who furtunately for themselves went to bed 20 mins before GB turned up
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Germany 01/04/2009 19:15:26
This from the Daily Record,

THE row over Barry Ferguson and Allan McGregor's axing from the Scotland team over their boozing has taken a new twist after SFA chief Gordon Smith refused to back George Burley over his decision to drop the pair.

Smith revealed he will meet with Burley after the clash with Iceland and ask him to justify axing the Rangers duo, who the Scotland boss caught indulging in a late-night drinking session at the team hotel during the weekend.

Burley discovered the pair in the bar area of the Cameron House Hotel in Loch Lomond hours after their team-mates had retired to their rooms following the squad's return from Saturday's 3-0 defeat in Holland.

The players apologised for their behaviour today and it was confirmed this afternoon that both would start on the bench at Hampden for tonight's must-win Group Nine clash.

Speaking at Hampden ahead of tonight's game, Smith revealed Burley did not consult him or the SFA board over the matter.

He told Sky Sports News: "We weren't involved in the decision at all. It's George's decision how he was going to deal with the situation that's arisen.

"He has to deal with behaviour and any sanctions that are taken.

"He also picks the team 100%.

"It's his decision whether the players are away from the squad.

"We have to give him autonomy in that respect. But we'll be reviewing the situation - I've told George that."

When he was asked if he supported Burley's decision to drop the pair, Smith said: "He's made a decision; I know exactly why he's done it - he's told me his reasons.

"I'm going along with that just now.

"After the game's passed, George and I will have an opportunity to sit down and discuss what's happened in the last few days and review the situation and how it's been dealt with."

Not what we need right before the match. Surely this could have waited until tomorrow.
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 19:20:40
5-2 for the U21's

Good performance from the young lads, we do have players that can score.
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 19:25:22
Gordon Smith has p*ss all to do with Burley and his decision, for now Burley is the boss, and should not have to discuss dropping players with GS before or after a match.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 19:56:12
I'm not a big fan of Flower of Scotland, but tonight's was about the worst version I've ever heard in my life.
The pitch was far too low and you could hardly hear the bloke.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 20:03:13
Good start by Scotland.
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 20:13:15
miller was onside
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Number 6,

Germany 01/04/2009 20:18:44
251 Pundit.

THANK YOU my friend. You've just made my night.

Mind you, Ballack has just scored a scorcher against Wales lol!
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 20:36:45
Hello Scotland
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Shape to Shoot,

01/04/2009 20:37:15
bRILLIANT WORK FROM HUTTON
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 20:46:44
First half 1-0 for us.

Good to see a Scotland team playing with pace and energy.

Great work by Cafu to set up a wonderful finish by McCormack.

Keep going at them the 2nd half.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/04/2009 20:48:42
Playing well so far, so good to see us getting forward quickly all the time instead of passing it sideways in midfield until there are 10 defenders back.

2-0 in the 52nd minute, then Iceland pull one back on 83 mins and scare the living keech out of us for the last 10 mins, just like in Reykjavik.
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Daillyman,

01/04/2009 20:58:41
265 pundit

They could certainly use both of them at Ibrox at this time.
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