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Published Date: 24 February 2009
FOR deeply disgruntled Hibernian supporters, perhaps the most telling measure of their team's present plight is the possibility that, in contemplating Rangers' outstanding SPL fixtures before the split, Walter Smith will consider the one at Easter Road to be less threatening than most of the others.
Indeed, the visit to Hamilton on Saturday will, with good cause, almost certainly induce more apprehension at Ibrox than the prospect of a trip to Leith on 18 April. Last season's promotees in recent times have been highly productive compared to Mixu
Paatelainen's under-achieving side, the pair now sharing seventh place in the table on 32 points.

Few, if any, of those Hibs supporters who have been bombarding website message boards and forums with their disaffection will have been provoked into a response merely by the dire performance in the 2-0 defeat at Inverness on Saturday. This was sufficiently depressing to prompt the BBC Radio Scotland pundit, Brian Irvine, to observe that "not one Hibs player deserved pass marks".

The capital of the Highlands has become a bogey venue for the Edinburgh team and, on that basis, another reversal would be no real shock. Fans have clearly become more entrenched in their despondency – and in their antipathy towards Paatelainen – by the overall disappointment of the season, most specifically the realisation that the team have one only one match since 13 December, sliding out of the league's top six and out of the Homecoming Scottish Cup.

To underline the contrast between the current form of Hamilton and Hibs, the Lanarkshire side have won five of their past six league games, in the process making up nine points on Paatelainen's team. Dispiriting as the statistics are, however, they will not have anything like as dulling an effect as the seemingly relentless sense of decline permeating the overwhelming majority of supporters, the absence of encouragement for the future.

In an online poll yesterday which asked if Paatelainen should stay or go, the vote was 303 to 28 – a percentage difference of 91.54 to 8.46 – in favour of the manager immediately vacating the premises. There are, of course, thousands, rather than hundreds, of Hibs fans, but in mid-afternoon on a Monday, with many at work, it is a reasonable sample, which could fairly be extended to the conclusion that the bulk of the club's followers support the removal of the big Finn.

In the present circumstances, the accusation often levelled at Hibs fans – that they have a rather sniffy attitude to the game, demanding quality and an aesthetically pleasing style – really does not apply. What they appear to want more than anything at the moment is an end to the erosion of credibility which, this season, has stripped the team of their former menace and turned Easter Road into a place not to be feared.

This disfigurement of a team's image as opponents to be respected is almost invariably the most wounding of the set-backs they will inevitably suffer in the course of a season. It is also the one for which the manager will be held culpable. In Paatelainen's case, the blame appears not to be misplaced.

His difficulties began long before the start of the season and, from all the available evidence, they were self-inflicted. Paatelainen's enthusiasm for playing an Intertoto Cup tie in the middle of pre-season training is unlikely to be shared by any other manager in the game.

Any to whom I have spoken have regularly criticised boards of directors for imposing commitments on their managers and players for purely commercial reasons. It is known, for example, that Gordon Strachan did not welcome the contractual obligation that took Celtic on a trip to Japan (part of the conditions attached to signing Shunsuke Nakamura) at an inappropriate time of the year.

In conversation with Billy Stark at Hampden a few months ago, the Scotland under-21 manager pondered the problem: "Managers are often forced to undertake things for financial reasons they would ideally do without," said Stark. "It's especially true during the pre-season. People have no idea what an effect a disrupted pre-season can have. It's a time of the year when you do the work that stands you in good stead in the later stages of a campaign. If something happens to upset that, it can knock a team off balance for a long time afterwards."

There is virtually unchallengeable evidence that Hibs were victims of what Stark described, easily beaten in the Intertoto Cup by Elfsborg, Swedish opponents then at a physical and mental peak at the high point of their domestic season. In the immediate aftermath, Paatelainen's players looked disorientated, unable to beat – or even score against – opposition from lower division in friendlies.

That uncertain form has blighted much of the season, but Paatelainen was so insistent over the benefits to be accrued from participation in the European exercise that he is unable to blame anyone else for its possible side effects. And he has something else to cause him unease: when the supporters turn the heat on the chairman and his board, it is the manager who gets burned.



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  • Last Updated: 24 February 2009 12:41 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Hibernian FC , Glenn Gibbons
 
1

neil1986,

24/02/2009 00:44:51
Good article, sums up most fans view pretty well IMO.

Enough has been said already about this, time is up, he's not gonna resign so lets sack him, end of.
2

Jon Bon Jovi,

24/02/2009 01:08:04

sounds like hibs need jimmy calderwood.....
3

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 24/02/2009 01:23:45
Hibs fans with a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did this happen ?????

TOGETHER

MON THE JT'S

108 and counting
4

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24/02/2009 01:25:03
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Reason:
5

Neutral Observer,

Manila 24/02/2009 03:00:48
Here I am, on my mid season break, escaping the downward spiral of the team and read every day the fans fury about the situation. It has taken the press some time to finally jump on the bandwagon but the fans know that the signs were all there in the pre-season. A team is what the dictionary defines it - A TEAM - and for all his undoubted enthusiasm and wish to succeed, Mixu seems unable to mould a team. He falls down on:

1) Bringing in the the right players to mould into a team

2) Actually spotting a player despite trial periods and watching those players in action with other clubs viz Keenan, Thicot, Rankin, van Zanten, Zarabi and blindly signing Johasson on past reputation.

3) Team selection and tactics.

I have no doubt that the next manager will get better results in the short term from the same group of players, but once again we will be stuck with a rebuilding program after the initial upsurge.

It can be sair to be a hibee!
6

Neutral Observer,

24/02/2009 03:15:58
The board stated - 'We are 100% behind the manager'.

R.I.P.

(Rod Inertia Petrie)
7

Aussie Hibby,

Western Australia 24/02/2009 06:54:34
It's time to face the facts, Mixu jus#t isn't up for the job! His signings are one of the reasons that we're in a mess, if you look at them, most of them are average at best:
Zarabi - gone, did nothing;
Rankin - runs around like a headless chicken - midfield midgit;
Keenan - couldn't get a game in Australia - midfield midgit;
Thicot - never looks fit;
Yantorno - never gets a chance;
Pinau - never gets a chance;
Van-Santen - rubbish at best;
Johansson - RUBBISH, PAST-IT, MATE of MIXU;
Nish - tries, but lacks quality and pace;
Murray - proven quality, real hibby (great signing);
Bamba - having a great season (great signing);
Mad Monk - good keeper, will leave in the summer;
Rosa - looks ok, but will leave in the summer;

As for the squad players that Mixu chooses, some MUST go:
Chisolm - won't make it in the SPL (another midfield midgit);
McNeil - won't make it in the SPL;
Campbell - won't make it in the SPL;

If Mixu stays, we'll struggle to stay in the SPL - he was a good Hibs player, unfortunately, he's up there with the worst managers that we've ever had - TAXI FOR MIXU PLEASE!
Gray - won't make it in the SPL;
8

Aussie Hibby,

Western Australia 24/02/2009 07:12:00
Meant to add O'Brien to the list too - another terrible signing, although JC to blame this time!

Jackie - taxi for Mixu PLEASE!!!!
9

Pistol Pete,

24/02/2009 07:26:12
This goes for this article and the Mixu interview.

Get rid of the manager bring in McGhee or even Alexander (shafted at Gretna) who is looking for a job and assess after whether it is the manager or the squad. Bit of both, but I reckon it is 90% the former.
10

Honest Opinion 2,

Froggyland 24/02/2009 07:36:51
Interesting that GG draws comparisons with Hammy Accies. The difference is that they have a manager who knows ahat he is doing, motivates and deploys his players to give their best and still succeeds even given the obvious limitations of running a "wee" club.
In summary - Goodbye Mixu: Petrie has to go for Billy Reid, forget Yogi and even McGee
11

Broughton Cosmos,

24/02/2009 07:59:55
Mixu must stay!!
He's doing a grand job in my opinion.
Good motivator
Good signings - Jonaton Johansson (former internationalist with a wealth of experience)
Denes Rosa (internationalist with a wealth of experience and midfield playmaker)
Riordan (former internationalist with a future in the game)
Colin Nish (so good the Chinese want him!!!)
Good understanding of the Scottish game due to his experience as player and manager
Good communication due to his command of the language
Good tactitian - plays the attacking game the way the hibs fans like with 3 strikers up front.
Good manager in summary.
I say lay off Mixu. Managers need time to implement their ideas and mould their team. Look at the benefits Man U are reaping by sticking with Alex Ferguson during a sticky start.

MIXU MUST STAY!
12

Big Red,

Aberdeen 24/02/2009 08:06:14
What's all the fuss about ?
Hibs have been an average team for years and their league position at the moment is about where they deserve to be with the average players they have in their squad.
Part of the problem is that most Hibs fans believe they're better than they are, hence posts on deluded.net saying that Fletcher is worth 5 million and Jones is worth 2 million.
This rag of a paper often just feeds the flames of their delusion and it's refreshing to have an article that says it like it is ie. Hibs are just not very good.
13

allanr,

perth 24/02/2009 08:23:45
#3. get back under yer stone. plenty in yer Beechboro slum
14

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 24/02/2009 08:27:20


MIXU MUST STAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fataalainen is doing a great job, i.e., stopping the Hobos from posting garbage on Hearts threads.

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK 1st Division here you come........................look out St. Js et al................THE MIGHTY FFFHIBS are coming to a lower division near you.

MIXU MUST STAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15

Tynie,

Robbo's Bar 24/02/2009 08:31:18
Spot on #12

Hibs supporters believe they should be third. But one or two seasons apart in the last thirty years they are never third - always behind a minimum of Hearts, Dons and Arabs. Hibs have during my lifetime been a mid-table club. That's not anyone's opinion

It's a fact

Now playing within Petrie's budgets they are not even a mid-table club. Mowbray refused to manage on a shoestring, so did Collins.

Vlad, Stewart Milne, Thompson(Snr and Jnr) and John Boyle have got it right. Don't waste good money on a lazy, jakey, ex-Celtic has-been.

Invest it in an experienced manager.

Tell me Hibs fans - do you trust Farmer and Petrie to have these good footballing instincts?
16

Osama Bin Liner,

edinburgh 24/02/2009 08:32:06
Decent enough article but fails to focus on Mixu's lack of tactical nous or ability to motivate. The inter-toto debacle can't be blamed totally for recent rank displays. Mixu's delusional comments describing average or poor performances as good and then blaming players he is paid to sign, select, train, organise and motivate deserve more detailed analysis.
17

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

24/02/2009 08:43:01
I've said it before on here and will say it again. Under Mowbray Hibs played some cracking football, but it turned their fans into delusional luvvies claiming that this football was "the Hibs way" even though it hadn't been seen for 20 years.

Hibs fans even went as far as to post on here that they would rather their team lost and played good football, than win and play "hoofball".

Unfortunately for Hibs they now have a manager who plays "hoofball" in the mould of Miller, Williamson and Duffy and they are back again where they were under those managers.

Surely it doesn't take a genius at the helm of the board to figure out what needs to be done to reverse the fortunes??
18

Giuseppe Tortolano,

24/02/2009 08:56:40
#17 Osama

Beat me to it there - while the intertoto debacle didn't help GG should have been highlighting Mixu's complete lack of tactical knowledge, use of substitutes, team selection, etc. You, know, the little things........

I was delighted when I saw this article because it's the first one I've seen that is openly critical of the man and this can only help to persuade the Tache to give him his jotters.

#12 'Big' red.

EVERY team outside the weegie scum has an 'average' group of players. No-one whould suggest that United have the best squad outwith the Old Firm - what they have is a good manager ( I for one would love to see Levein at Easter Rd but it ain't gonna happen ).

Hibs fans don't believe we are better than we are, what we KNOW is that, with maybe another 2 players ( midfield, full back ) we have a squad at least on par with anyone else so the reason we are completely ga$h can only be laid at one man's door - the manager.

19

Big Red,

Aberdeen 24/02/2009 10:21:34
#19

How do you 'know' that ???
Comparing Aberdeen's squad to Hibs, most reasonably minded fans in Scotland would far rather have Severin, Mulgrew, Kerr, McDonald, Aluko, Langfield and Diamond than Chisholm, Rankin, Makalamity, Nish, Van Zanten, Johannson and Hogg.

Your squad is just not very good. And no matter how much this paper talks about Fletcher being worth 4 million (pause for laughter) or how much you talk about 1 or 2 players making a difference, that isn't going to change.

Stop looking for excuses. You team is just mince.
20

Dundee Jambo,

24/02/2009 10:43:25
Oh how the pendulum has swung. From the "enevitable" January firesale, stadium sale, meltdown at Tynecastle, the true crisis is really at the doors of the San Giro. Hearts are going to be an even better team next season thanks to Laszlo having had a full season under his belt, really knowing the players he has and bringing in the players HE wants and needs, while the Hobos will be playing at Dens, Almondvale, East End Park etc. And oh how we will laugh, in fact, I'm laughing now!
21

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 24/02/2009 10:48:31

# 22 Dundee Jambo,

In that case when the inevitable happens you won't have far to travel for the 'local derby' between Hibs and............erm.........let me think..........


Dundee, weren't the once Dundee Hibernians or something?
22

Giuseppe Tortolano,

24/02/2009 10:57:35
Do you really think comparing your best players with some of our worst players is a valid argument?

Where did I look for an excuse? Is suggesting that we are playing $hite because we have a hapless manager not a reasonable statement for you?

Out of interest, you are aware that this website takes it's article from 2 different papers? That one of these is The Evening News which is an Edinburgh-only paper? I had to laugh when someone whose local rag is the P&J accused the Evening News of being parochial.
It's meant to be, ya numptie.
23

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 24/02/2009 10:58:17
On yesterdays poll,

That will be 303 Hibbies and 28 hearts fans then!
24

The Falcon,

Above and watching 24/02/2009 11:13:12
Big Red #21

Whilst I admit HFC are mince right now,remind me of the score at the sheep-pen and ER this season ?
Have you beaten HFC ?
Don't hear you bleating ?

AFC are just another average team in a very average league, now FO back to yer herd.
25

Edinburghs Only Big Team!,

Tynecastle 24/02/2009 11:39:42
Just throw Mixu-fatty-linnen a wee pie & everythinh will be right as rain
26

Dundee Jambo,

24/02/2009 11:43:25
And what's become of your savior, the returning (ratboy) messiah? Never mind, he should get a few goals against the lokes of Morton, Airdrie and Ross County!!!
27

Edinburghs Only Big Team!,

Tynecastle 24/02/2009 11:44:26
Gonna be serious now! we need two good edinburgh teams without one then the SPL is boring! look at last season with hearts.

Even though I love pumping Hibs & also finishing above them mostly every season I am starting to feel sorry for them. I also have a very bad feeling that hibs may be close to relegation which would be a nightmare. I cant imagine no more derbys again remember last time that happened.

Good luck hibs I hope you can get through this tough time!

Kindest Regards

JT's
28

Tynie,

Robbo's Bar 24/02/2009 12:23:07
Let's face it Hobo's, your managers will always deliver mid-table performances as long as you have that muppet Petrie in charge. He might be a good bank manager but knows zilch about football and whats worse for your club, clearly does not more important priorities.

He sold your entire team and re-invested only a small proportion. He was protecting his and Farmers share. Profits before results. Quality players out - trialists and has-beens in.

It's been left to Fat Mixu to carry the can. No wonder Mowbray and Collins told Petrie to bolt.

Instead of crucifying the swindler you canonise him. He is why you are where you today.

Going backwards fast
29

Giuseppe Tortolano,

24/02/2009 12:25:05
Why are we not allowed to comment on Mixu's latest ramblings ? Hmmmmmmmmmmm........

#29

I believe Riordan has scored 9 goals with limited service in front of a non-existant midfield. What's your point, caller?
30

Giuseppe Tortolano,

24/02/2009 12:31:49
#31

"He might be a good bank manager but knows zilch about football and whats worse for your club, clearly does not more (sic) important priorities."

Arf! Doesn't sound like anyone connected with Hearts, then?
31

Calum Crubag,

24/02/2009 12:58:21
#16 - true, Hibs have been a mid-table club for decades now despite one or two heady 3rd places.

Hibs seem confused. They always want a 'Hibs man' no matter how cac he is. They want 'good' football even if it means no success. Mixu aint to blame for 108 years of no SC success.
32

Calum Crubag,

24/02/2009 13:01:39
#32 good point but DR is still a lazy B. It's a shame that his talent is wasted by his lack of motivation.
33

sangriaboy,

malaga 24/02/2009 13:16:00
Dundee Jambo.
Hibs Relegated...You are as stupid as you look.

Firstly no team yet has been relegated with 32 points in the SPL.It wont happen.

As for your beloved HomFC,do you know you have 24 players out of contract come May,Neilson,Aiguar,Karapidis just to name a few and they will not be offered a new contracts as there is no money in the pot.The reason the firesale didnt happen is that there is no money around.The only teams in Scotland that have assests more than debt are Celtic,Hamilton and Hibs.
Laszlo is doing a good job but its only a matter of time when Hearts run with a smaller squad and with less quaility players,that he will come under pressure and be punted like the rest of Romanovs managers.
Enjoy being 3rd,after Sat it will be 4th..Theres only one way the Jambos are heading.
34

sangriaboy,

malaga 24/02/2009 13:18:26
Also Dundee Jambo...
Mr Riordan has scored 9 goals since returning...

Thats about the same as Nades scored his whole career...

I thought the schools were back in Dundee..OOOppsss its playtime,sorry.
35

Giuseppe Tortolano,

24/02/2009 13:31:10
This is getting slightly curious: as well as being unable to post after the article of Mixu's latest dribblings the headline in this one has been changed from "Fans justified in blaming Paatelainen for Hibs' loss of menance and respect".

What's going on Scotsman?
36

Salvatori,

24/02/2009 13:39:05
22 - Guiseppe - you are totally right, a couple of players and yes Hibs could improve but the buck stops with Mixu.

I'm not proclaiming the JT's to be world beaters, but the fact shows that vastly improved performances (or if not at least results) in general this season show that an underperforming group of players can perform with a change of management.

Bad leadership breeds disillusionment, and the utter chaos that appears to be (Mixu judging by his sideline antics and ridiculous after match comments) seem to indicate this.
37

Who_Put_The_Ball_In_The_Hibees_Net,

17/04/2009 03:18:16
Hibernian - the laughing stock of Europe.

 

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