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Published Date: 03 November 2009
HIBS star Ian Murray today revealed he'd been "stunned" by the reaction to his tackle which saw Aberdeen kid Fraser Fyvie carried off on a stretcher, insisting: "I never touched him."
Although assistant referee Keith Sorbie was only feet from the incident and saw nothing wrong with the challenge, Dons boss Mark McGhee described it as "over-robust" while Pittodrie midfielder Gary McDonald claimed Murray had "gone over the top."

Today, however, the 28-year-old mounted a stiff defence of his actions, adamant his tackle on the 16-year-old was hard but perfectly fair and insisted television evidence vindicated him.

And he confessed to being bemused by the suggestion from Aberdeen goalkeeper Jamie Langfield that he'd intentionally sought to inflict an injury on the youngster.

He said: "At the time I felt I hadn't touched him, to be honest. I looked at it again on the computer from behind, probably the best angle, you can see I clearly took the ball.

"The linesman was standing right in front of it, he had a perfect view and there wasn't anything to suggest it was a bad tackle. There was no-one more surprised than me to see him lying there.

"I fully expected him to get up and be fine then I realised he was hurt. To me it seemed as if he tried to jump over me and then landed awkwardly. I've done my ankle ligaments myself with no-one there and I know how sore it is.

"If someone tackled me like that I would be absolutely fine about it, no problem.

"I've been caught myself by a couple of perfect tackles and I've been done by a couple of nasty tackles. People generally know when you have gone out to hurt them, so does the crowd and the referee.

"There's tackles like the one I made on Saturday in training every day."

Although McGhee initially described Murray's tackle as "legitimate," he then claimed it had been "over-robust" and one the referee should have taken action on while McDonald insisted it was no worse than the challenge on Kevin McBride which earned Dons forward Chris Maguire a straight red card.

Maguire, booked in the first half for a swipe at Derek Riordan, was the second of two Aberdeen players to be sent off by rookie referee Steven Nicholls, Maurice Ross having been dismissed for a tackle on Murray having also been shown the yellow card earlier.

Murray hit back: "I have to say I am a little disappointed by the reaction. I'm a bit confused by what Mark McGhee said – the tackle was legitimate but was over-robust, what does that mean if you win the ball?

"McDonald said I'd gone over the top but I have never gone in to hurt someone. I've gone in hard to get the ball and I think the fans, the gaffer and myself would have been disappointed if I hadn't gone in whole-hearted.

"Aberdeen may have been down to nine men but there was always a chance they could nick a goal which would have been a disaster for us and I was determined to win the ball which I feel I did."

And Aberdeen are now facing a Scottish Football Association investigation after criticising the referee on their official website.

The statement from Dons suggested that Nicholls was like Hibs' 12th man.

The statement read: "At a time when it is very fashionable to lambast the game in this country, surely we should be doing everything in our power to prevent short-changing the group that matters most, the paying customers. Sadly, that was not the case at Easter Road.

"The referee seemed determined to stamp his authority with the inevitable scenario of five yellow cards by the interval and hardly a strong tackle made.

"When cards are being dished out like confetti, players become afraid to make tackles.

"Nine against 11 – perhaps make that 12 – for the best part of half an hour means an unequal situation and one that is cheating the fans.

"Thanks to the antics of the man in the middle, what began as a fair contest almost descended into farce."





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  • Last Updated: 03 November 2009 10:25 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Hibernian FC
 
1

MO1875,

03/11/2009 10:50:02
mcghee should have watched it on t.v before making stupid comments.It was a great tackle by murray,one the fans love,hard but fair and of course its a shame the young boy got hurt.these things happen.Nothing against hoggy atall but how murray is not our captain is a mystery.
2

Stoobing,

London 03/11/2009 10:55:31
Yep, ball first, studs weren't going over the top of the ball or anything - very sorry for the young lad who has a bright future in the game by all accounts (and won't be out for too long) but McGhee should focus on addressing his own coaching deficiences instead of trying to divert the attention from the creativity free form of 'football' his team plays.
3

Gordon Smiths 364,

Tunisia 03/11/2009 10:59:29
Dont worry about it Iain, these idiots are just grasping at straws and maybe trying to unsettle you.
4

Zambo,

03/11/2009 11:12:46
With so much diving going on in the modern game it was sad (but somehow understandable) to see Hibs fans immediately think the young lad was faking his injury trying to win a free kick.
5

Reasoned Debate,

03/11/2009 11:13:35
McDonald, Langfield and Mcghee should be ashamed of themsleves. Ian Murray is one of the fairest and most honest guys in the game. I have never seen him put in a deliberate nasty challenge and they are out of order. It was a perfectly timed tackle and the boy simply got hurt going over Murrays's legs. It was right in front of the assistant ref who (correctly) saw nothing wrong. I hope after watching a replay they will have the decency to apologise. As to the ref being Hibs 12th man, Aberdeen had 1 shot at goal in the entire game including an hour with 11 men. Sour grapes all round methinks !
6

Hibernia,

03/11/2009 12:03:08
I really dont see what all the fuss is about. Fyvie got tackled fairly and he got injured, he most certainly isnt the first player this has happened too and he wont be the last.

I also cant find much sympathy either has Fyvie spent a fair majority of the match running around kicking Hibs players and had to be pulled apart when he squared up to Liam Miller after taking several kicks at him before Miller went down.
7

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 12:07:01
Clogger.
8

Stoobing,

London 03/11/2009 12:07:18
Jamie Langfield should be ashamed of himself 24/7, not even considering this incident.
9

PDubbs,

03/11/2009 12:17:48
It was a brilliant tackle. Hard but fair. Well done Mr Ian Murray. Leads by example!
10

Didgeridoo,

03/11/2009 12:18:55
Mark McGhee has to stop licking p!ss off nettles.
11

Mug,

03/11/2009 12:22:22
How Mcghee can sit and moan about bad challenges when his tactic from the 1st min was to kick hibs off the park, his team are sheer filth, especially maurice ross, the ref got it spot on with the red cards. Brilliant challenge by murray, not his fault the boy got hurt!
12

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 12:30:50
Can we just reiterate that winning the ball does not legitimate other offences.
13

Big T,

03/11/2009 12:45:03
I take it that Aberdeen will get hit with a massive SFA fine!

Hearts got hit by one when Rodney criticsed referees at a PRIVATE AGM!!

I won't hold my breath!
14

Burno,

03/11/2009 12:46:11
#12 Tommie
What other offences would that be?

If you can freeze frame this particular incident on super slow mo, you can actually see Fyvie going over on his ankle after Ian has played the ball. His foot is behind Ian's leg and the laddie's ankle just gives way on the ground.
I have had the same thing happen to myself, with nobody near me, and I can confirm it is a sore thing to suffer.
I would be interested to hear the youngsters take on the tackle as so far, he has remained silent.
The onlt thing I would agree with McGee on was possibly the first sending offas I didn't think the challenge on Murray deserved a 2nd yellow.
The tackle on McBride was a straight red for me as he could easily have broken his ankle with that tackle, it looks horrible on T.V.
15

Jim W,

03/11/2009 12:48:12
#12 what was the other offence Tommie? The tackle was hard and fair. Slide tackling is an art form and perfectly legal. When a player gets it wrong it usually involves a yellow card at least. There's nothing a player can do to avoid momentum in a slide tackle. Watch the tackle and then come back and tell us what the other offence(s)was/were.
16

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03/11/2009 12:48:35
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17

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 12:50:22
Watched tackle. Was at the game too. Read the Laws of the Game if you are having difficulty.
18

Dood,

03/11/2009 12:53:07
#17

Funny really. Because everyone else who was either at the game or saw it on telly or knows the rules of the game will tell you the same thing.

A hard, fair tackle.

The lad got injured. Shame, but that's football.
19

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03/11/2009 12:55:10
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20

BigRobbo1980 ,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 13:03:42
No like Aberdeen to be bitter eh.

2 stone wall reds and Murray's was a good tackle end of
21

AndyJambo,

03/11/2009 13:06:13
Saw this on the TV last night and thought it was hard but fair. The kind of tackle fans like to see.
22

AndyJambo,

03/11/2009 13:07:09
#20, I disagree about the red cards. The and booking for Ross was very harsh.
23

AndyJambo,

03/11/2009 13:07:40
Sorry, 2nd booking, not and booking. I don't know what an and booking is.
24

Big T,

03/11/2009 13:07:42
From a die hard Jambo

Just saw it on the BBC highlights - Hard but FAIR tackle.

End of
25

Hibernia,

03/11/2009 13:11:09
#17 Tommie I am a qualified ref and have a rule book here just now. I was at the game and watched the replay and Ian Murray commited no offence worthy of a booking or anything else for that matter.
26

Burno,

03/11/2009 13:17:08
AndyJambo and Big T

Good reasoned comments that encourage sensible football debate, so well said. Everybody is entitled to opinions on things, whether they agree with us Hibbies or not, and good to actually have a proper discussion.

BTW on another matter, didn't think yer man on Saturday should have walked, the 'Well player should have been booked for diving.
27

Big T,

03/11/2009 13:20:02
#26

This is turning into a love in!
28

Charles Dexter Ward,

Stadium Bar loyal 03/11/2009 13:25:33
Typical Aberdeen fans - cry and moan when it suits them. Grow up and grow a pair!
29

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 13:40:08
#25 Hibernia - have you read said rule book?
30

Little Bleeder,

03/11/2009 13:58:37
12# tommie, maybe you could explain to everyone else who was there and have saw the highlights what other offence took place?
31

Burno,

03/11/2009 13:59:42
#27

Look darling, just eff off ya Yam :-)

I take it you agree though, it was never a sending off.
32

Burno,

03/11/2009 14:01:10
Tommie, rather than just asking if we all know the rules, why don't you enlighten us all and post the rule on here?
I assume you do know (or at least think you know) what the rule is?
33

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 03/11/2009 14:25:50
Ian Murray stunned? Shome mishtake shurely!!!
34

Dood,

03/11/2009 14:32:44
#32 - Exactly.

So Tommie - What is the rule? And how did Ian Murray infringe it?

Lets bear in mind that the match officials, radio/television pundits and just about everyone associated with football (except of course Mark McGhee), agreed that it was a hard, fair tackle.

For Gods sake, even some of the Hearts posters above agree. And one or two of them would say black if you said white when it comes to Hibs issues.

So Tommie. A player goes into a tackle 100% fully committed and takes the ball first commits an offence? Is this what your saying?

Because if this is the case, we'll be looking at a non-contact sport played by girls in frilly blouses before long.

Get a grip, eh?
35

blackley,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 14:53:01
It was a good tackle. Hard but fair.
36

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 14:54:21
Still pretending to work but would refer you to Section 12 on Fouls and Misconduct (bizarrely) and the associated guidance.
37

Burno,

03/11/2009 15:12:02
#36 Tommie

Fouls and misconduct are penalised as follows:
Direct Free Kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

So, there's the rule Tommie. Care to point out where you feel Murray was wrong?
38

Dood,

03/11/2009 15:16:12
#36

Yawn.
39

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 15:25:11
#38 You asked!
#37 To my mind, reckless, minimum, though not even careless was given.
40

Burno,

03/11/2009 15:37:20
#39 Tommie

That is your opinion. The rule that you wanted to bring up says 'in a manner considered by the referee'

Well the referee obviously didn't consider the challenge to be any of above points stated in the rule, otherwise he would have given the free kick. His assistant also flagged for a throw in to Aberdeen so he obviously didn't see an infringement of the rules either.

I think you are grasping at a straw that has long since been blown away in the wind.
41

Hibs07,

03/11/2009 15:40:17
Ian, hit the lot of them with a libel / slander lawsuit, oh, and put Tommie's name on the first one.
42

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 15:40:41
It is a good point that the rule says that it should be in a manner considered by the referee... I am, however, suggesting that the referee's judgement (along with that of his assistant) was wrong in this instance.
43

Will1875,

03/11/2009 15:41:33
Tommie go and lie down in a dark room.

Murray won the ball, made mininmal contact with the lad and he went over on ankle............. Its called a good tackle.

44

Dood,

03/11/2009 15:42:41
Tommie

Ok then. We all give up. It was a hideous tackle by Murray. Terrible. Awful. Cringeworthy. Violence one may expect to see on Lothian Road on a Saturday night.

Yourself and Mark McGhee could perhaps team up as a hilarious double act. You could champion the banning of all fair tackles in the game. Any defender attempting to take the ball off another player should be subject to a minimum 10 game ban. Breathing on a player would incur a 5 game ban. Simply smiling on the park should incur immediate hanging. Preferably in the centre circle, there and then.
45

Burno,

03/11/2009 15:47:11
But Tommie, you were suggesting in your earlier posts that, according to the rules, it should have been a free kick. Now though, you have decided that, once the rule that you reffered to has actually cleared the tackle up, you are saying it only your opinion.

Maybe this is why you didn't want to post the rule on here yourself?
46

Tommie,

EDINBURGH 03/11/2009 15:56:09
Burno - you may want to look at that again.
47

northeast hibby,

100miles north of Easter Road 03/11/2009 16:36:39
Can,t believe McGhees views on this tackle in my eyes it was perfect, shame for Fyvie though, the red cards could ave been avoided but when you see the fouls, yellows have been dished out for less, and you have to say the tackles were just stupid challenges so nobody to blame but themselves....
48

ronaldo,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 16:59:06
I think what Tommie is trying to say, is that even if you get the ball first, if the follow through is dangerous,an offfence is committed, in other words, playing the ball is not a "get out of jail card" for anything that follows. I've not seen the incident, even on tv, but going by my fellow Jambos comments this was not the case with Murray's tackle which was obviously hard byt fair
49

hibbeegreensmoke,

03/11/2009 17:16:38
leave tommie be, its not his fault his team is pash and that the only decent youngster to come out of sheepland since ninteen canteen is buggered.

plus he seems a bit of a tool lol
50

Neutral Observer,

03/11/2009 17:26:40
I tried to reason with Tommie yesterday that he was flogging a dead horse but he is not for being reasoned with or backing down. I think his point is that Ian Murray's PERFECT tackle was too strong for the wee 'lamb' and thus falls into the category of using excessive force. The whole debate centres around the unfortunate injury to Fyfie whereby he landed badly and twisted his ankle.

Three years or more ago, both Scott Brown caught his studs in the grass late in a game and badly damaged his knee ligaments. Nobody cried out then that the grass had used excessive force! These things happen and we wish the young lad a speedy recovery and a quick return to the flock.
51

Neutral Observer,

03/11/2009 17:27:33
Sorry, in my last post should have read Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson caught their studs
52

John H,

edinburgh 03/11/2009 20:46:43
Twatt ?
53

leith ronnie in london hfc ,

03/11/2009 21:31:11
sad sheep men
54

foreignhibby,

Vancouver 04/11/2009 01:54:18
The one thing that Tommie is correct on is the term "laws". Football doesn't have rules. The FIFA book is titled, " The Laws of the Game ". Other than that I think he is a incorrect on his assessment of Ned's tackle.

 

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