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Advocaat relishing prospect of final showdown with Rangers



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Published Date: 26 April 2008
ZENIT St Petersburg manager Dick Advocaat wants nothing more than a date with his former club Rangers in the Uefa Cup final in Manchester next month.
While Walter Smith's side held Fiorentina 0-0 in the first leg of their semi-final at Ibrox on Thursday night, the Russian club earned a 1-1 draw away to Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena.

The results left open the possibility of a clash between
Advocaat's past and current clubs at Eastlands on 14 May.

Dutchman Advocaat, who was manager at Ibrox from 1998 to 2001, is relishing the prospect of a meeting with Rangers and a reunion with his former chairman Sir David Murray.

He said: "It would be great for us to face Rangers in Manchester and it would be great to see my good friend David again. Rangers have a good chance of getting to the final and hopefully we will see them there – let's hope we can do it together. I certainly hope Rangers make it because I'm a Rangers fan. You know what they say – once a Ranger, always a Ranger.

"PSV underestimated Fiorentina in the last round after drawing 1-1 in Italy and that's why they lost 2-0 at home. But Rangers will not underestimate them and they will have Barry Ferguson back for the second leg, which is great.

"It is incredible to think my old club have a chance to win four trophies this season. What Walter Smith has achieved this season has been unbelievable. I know how difficult it is to be a Rangers manager so I have great respect for him."

On the face of it, Zenit are closer to a final appearance than Rangers. But Advocaat believes his side have still a lot to do before they can book flights to England. He said: "Normally a 1-1 draw is a good result away from home, but we will have six or seven players out for the return game through injury and suspension. I would be more confident if I had my full team available but I'm not sure what team I will be able to pick. I was pleased with the way we played against Bayern.

"They controlled the first half and we controlled the second and got the goal, although it was an own goal. But it will be difficult to get to the final because Bayern are a top team."

Bayern coach Ottmar Hitzfeld is upbeat, thanks to one very big reason – Luca Toni. The 6ft 4in Italy striker, who has been on a goal-scoring streak with 35 goals in 41 matches in all competitions, was suspended for the home leg but will be back in the line-up for the return leg on 1 May in St Petersburg.

"Luca Toni is a world champion and one of the best in the business," Hitzfeld said. "He's obviously extremely difficult to replace. We're always able to score a goal or two away and besides that we've got Luca Toni back in the line-up."

Hitzfeld had hoped Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose would be able to fill the gap left by Toni, but the two German strikers were unable to find the net against Zenit despite plenty of chances.

"We had enough chances to win, especially late in the match when we had three or four good chances," said Hitzfeld. "I think our chances of advancing to the final are still good. We're strong away from home."



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  • Last Updated: 25 April 2008 11:25 PM
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1

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 26/04/2008 05:06:39
Bayern versus Fiorentina will spare the world from anti-football and restore the game to some kind of dignity.
2

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 26/04/2008 05:21:32
#1 Green eyed jealousy is never a good trait !!

Would you rather your team were in a European Semi-Final, had already won one domestic trophy, are in the final of another domestic trophy and are potential league winners ?

I guess not, eh ??
3

kenny mcg,

26/04/2008 05:23:47
Och give us a break with the "anti fitba" cry
its getting BORIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The more you go on and on and on about it, the more it appears obvious of how people like you are insanely jealous of how Gers are doing this season. The Quad Squad are really getting to yooz eh? x

Follow Follow
(3 in a row? Cheerio!)
4

kenny mcg,

26/04/2008 05:30:46
#1 and sorry to burst your bubble but

Tricky Dickie and Fernandos' Zenit will be in the final against the Bears

Awww a Bears reunion.................................
5

kenny mcg,

26/04/2008 05:31:43
#2

MON THE BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6

Tuatha De Dannan,

26/04/2008 07:00:08
2 Of course we would, however your view of what is being served up by Rangers is also tinged by your bias. Are you honestly saying that you enjoy watching that level of football. I understand that you are enjoying the success, my favourite season for some time is the 2003 one despite the lack of success.

Poor show by the Scotsman not allowing comment on the main articles. Uncle Walter's certainly showing his true colours. "We didn't ask for an extension" NO but you bl**dy well expected one. I have covered all of the arguments before and am not going to do so again But Mr Smith you have no dignity at all.
7

beeree,

Local 26/04/2008 07:55:24
So long as they are not based on kicking the other team off the park, anyone describing a teams tactics, as anti-football should perhaps take an interest in another sport. They have no knowledge of football.

Football is about negating your opponents strengths and exploiting their weaknesses. Because of the infinite combinations available it is a permanent tactical battle between individuals and teams.

Rangers appear to be doing quite well at this - this season. It is up to other teams and other managers to work out how to beat them. If they are incapable of doing that I would argue that it is they who are anti-football because they are incapable of developing or appreciating the sport.
8

ChinaBear,

Hong Kong 26/04/2008 08:00:24
I love these comments by the eastenders about Walter's integrity. It obviously gets to them that he is BRIMMING with integrity hence the constant bitching from them. Suggest we hear a few comments from them about their Chief Executive who, as Walter points out, is not being very honest with his insistance that Rangers play 4 games in a week. Where's the integrity in that timothy........?
9

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 26/04/2008 08:21:51
#7 beeree, well said !!

Despite what any of the "anti-football" posters on here might think, I do actually enjoy watching Rangers defend against quality opposition.

It's all one saying that playing with "flair" is easy on the eye when watching but ultimately football is about winning. There are no prizes for "artistic expression" or "technical merit" in football.
10

ninenro,

26/04/2008 08:40:25
6
In 03 Celtic were asked to play one game 3 days after the Thursday Euro tie and at the time stated that it was non sporting and threatened to go tae the Scottish executive and complain but now they seem to find it reasonable that Rangers are made tae play 4 games in 8 days. That is laughable. Lawell and Celtic are being shown up for what they really are. Dignity indeed !
11

ninenro,

26/04/2008 08:53:38
Brother Walfrid will be turning in his grave. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
Great Christian values !
12

ninenro,

26/04/2008 08:57:01
If Rangers do go on and meet Zenit shall we have another Orange day at the final. Just for old times sake ! I have my Holland top at the ready !
13

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 09:05:16
Celtic were accused of playing "anti-football" before Rangers ever were of course.
14

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 09:17:08
Is it any wonder that the Scotsman closes down the comment section for the CFC and RFC articlea when you have fools on before 9am talking about Christian values and Orange this. AS the hours would go by the bile would just steadily intensify.

How sad and how predictable.
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26/04/2008 09:21:01
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26/04/2008 09:23:25
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Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 09:24:46
If RFC do get to the final of the UEFA Cup im not sure about an 'orange day' but it will certainly be a black day for footballing purists who wish to see the game being played in the right manner.

This mantra that is currently being peddled by the IBrox faithful that football is ALL about winning is complete and utter tosh. If WS had RFC playing that type of football for the next 3-4 years would it be OK, would punters still wish to part with their hard earned money for season tickets at a stadium were only a pathetic attempt to attack was being served up?

BTW
And before all the decent bears claim im just jealous of the impending succes you guys are about to have i would say yes id o wish it was us but not playing that way certainly not at home to some average teams.

WS has had an outstanding first season back in charge and i applaud what he has achieved with that limited bucn of players but please dont dismiss all Celtic fans criticisms of Rangers as just bitter rants.

18

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 09:26:14
16 Forza

Are you a RC?
Are you a Celtic fan?
19

ninenro,

26/04/2008 09:27:47
14
Admit it ! It`s not very Christian like is it especially from a club that prides itself on it`s humble Christian beginnings. The Orange comment is in relation to a previous final when all the Gers fans wore Orange tops as a tribute tae Dick Advocaat. He is Dutch by the way !
20

Chuckle Bhoy,

Dublin 26/04/2008 09:33:18
13# Was listening to one of national radio stations here on the way home from work yesterday. They do a sports section between 6 and 7 every friday.
They normally only talk about upcoming games in the EPL but Rangers came in for a special mention this week.
I think it was Mark Laurensen who said he watched the game on thursday and said that Rangers have taken defensive play to a new level and how boring they are to watch.
21

Chuckle Bhoy,

26/04/2008 09:34:18
station#
22

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26/04/2008 09:34:21
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26/04/2008 09:35:47
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ninenro,

26/04/2008 09:37:06
20
Well if Mark Laurensen said it then we should all stand up and take notice. He must be one of the worst pundits going ! I`d rather watch anti-football than listen tae him any day !
25

Chuckle Bhoy,

26/04/2008 09:43:05
24# My point was that the SPL never gets a mention but Rangers special brand of football made it in the show this week.......
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26/04/2008 09:45:36
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The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 09:51:55
Forza, sod off back to fascist Italy. You were pumped in '45. Italy = friends of Hitler.

Your 'superior' RC fans, killing police men and each other every week. You are in no fit state to comment on fans who don't go out murdering police and opposition fans.
28

imprimatur,

C.R.A.P........CannaeRewardAssaultPal........!!! 26/04/2008 09:53:44
Walter,NOT The Scottish Professional Footballers MOTY is now showing why not.

In his BBC TV and STV Sports News bulletins last night he was almost crying.
His lip was petted.
Immediately prior to storming out of the interview and glare of the cameras Wallee said quote," we just need to hope that McGregorlout will be back fit for the last week of the season (then sarcastically commenting),"you know....the last four games,"end of quote...pushes chair back and breengees out the conference room.

The SPFA got Walter,NT SPFA MOTY spot on,what !!!

Humiliatingly embarrassing though.
Isn`t it.
29

ninenro,

26/04/2008 09:56:09
25
That`s good then ... right !
30

Bosco Bhoy,

-----Donegal----- 26/04/2008 09:56:26
22 Forza

OK, so your not a Celtic fan but you do embarass your city, country, club and religion with your rants. Try and make sensible football based points without all the stuff anout Protestants and you only shame yourself with those type of comments.
31

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 09:56:34
Easy to see which team is in a Euro semi final, with one cup in the bag, in the final of another and favourites for the league.

Yes, judging by timmy's bhitterness overdrive that team is Rangers.

Bow timmy, bow before our might.
32

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 09:57:38
#30, not much difference between him and your average kerrydale street tim though. They may not all use the words but it's plain they feel the same.
33

ninenro,

26/04/2008 09:58:00
28
See 10 & 11 for humiliation ya muppet !
34

ninenro,

26/04/2008 10:00:09
30
He is a Celt trying tae take the p.ss he`s not Italian.
Possibly Hugh Hefner !
35

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 10:03:04
34

And you know this as a fact because.........?
36

paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 10:03:50
#28

That will be the same Wattie who made a big issue of the situation with.....

"Rangers have not asked for an extension...and will not be asking for one"

Now he's p*ssed off...because he didn't get the one he wanted?!

Aye...it's a funny old game eh?
37

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 10:04:25
Forza is a celt, you can tell by the bigotry.


Well done Walter Smith for pointing out what everyone knows. Liewell is a disingenuous man. He stands up, pontificates, but it's all false. Your average tim then.
38

imprimatur,

C.R.A.P.......CannaeRewardAssaultPal......!!! 26/04/2008 10:06:35
Walter The W-o-b-b-l-e-r is getting his dignity hammered from other quarters as well,dont forget.

David Kells,the Hampden chief has blasted Walter Smith for claiming that the condition of the Hampden pitch was to blame for Steven Naismiths injury last week.

David Kells went on to explain that the pitch had been inspected by ALL parties concerned and no one had any reservations whatsoever about the condition of Hampden prior to kick-off.

Walters blaming anyone...anything.... who is willing to be Walters Patsy.

Its W W time....Walters W-o-b-b-l-i-n-g .
Isn`t it.
39

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 10:06:59
32

Yeh that makes lots of sense, a sweeping generalistion treating a group of footie fans as all the exact same.

Needles to say i feel a Celt dong this is being a bit daft when he/she does that about bears so you will understand my view on your comment.
40

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 10:07:07
Has Mr 'sporting integrity' come out and condemned the celtc fan who threw the coin that hit the Rangers doctor yet?

Or has he just mumbled some general waffle on the subject?
41

paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 10:09:08
Rangers fans seem to be particularly sensative when all and sundry point out their lack of technical and tactical ability....

Wattie has established a new set of midfield positions...

Left hand side penalty box...
Holding the penalty spot...
Defending the D at all costs...

For some reason they don't seem to like this being pointed out!
42

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 10:10:10
Lewell and CFC are only following the precedent set by RFC when asked several years ago could they facilitate their city rivals and they gave a resounding NO.

And why would RFC then or Celtic now increase the chances of the other club having success?

C'mon its a no brainer is it not?
43

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 10:11:46
best rangers 40

I and many other Celts have condemned the prat who did it on this forum.

Would you condemn the Rangers fan who threw an 'item' at Robson?
44

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 10:13:25
#39, as a regular visitor on the likes of kerrydale street etc, I'm more than well aware of the general feeling towards Rangers fans amongst the rank and file.

Every second post is full of the word 'hvn,' hatred and bile.

They even have a constant thread called 'the generic hvn thread number #'

A number of organisations regard the word to be sectarian and bigoted yet nearly every celtc blog and forum is full of it.

Perhaps it wasn't bigoted and sectarian years back but with celt fans using it to abuse Hearts and Dundee fans, two protestant clubs, they've (the celtc fans) actually made it sectarian. Ironic eh?

The same goes for Rangers fans and the word fen!an. Once it started to be used as a term for catholics and not just Irish republicans it became sectarian.
45

imprimatur,

R.U.I.N.S. RefsUndueInfluencesNeedsStopping !!! 26/04/2008 10:15:32
#31 weenarrapeepelinnatno

Yes you do have,as you say,"one cup in the bag".

But the fans of Hibs in the quarters,the fans of Hearts in Basket-Balls-Semi and last but not least the fans of Dundee United from the final recognise that "bag" as Rangers swag-bag.

Scottish Football deserves better.
Doesn`t it.
46

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 10:18:04
#42, 43.

Then Walters observation stands does it not? Liewell did this for his own clubs gain which is fair enough, but there was no need to dress it up as something else.

If any Rangers fan throws things they should be banned for life, that's life with no second chance. I've yet to see the TV or CCTV evidence of this alleged event.

Celtc do have CCTV don't they? Still not found the Ricksen lighter man I take it?

The man who smashed Hugh Dallas windows is still a season ticket man.

The person who hit Dallas with the coin, caught?

The guy who ran onto the pitch and barely brushed Dida, the stewards grabbed him and handed him over to police? Nah, they helped him back into the crowd and the only reason he was caught was he handed himself in.
47

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 10:18:26
#43,

Nothing was thrown at Robson. Some "tifo" streamers had been thrown and one or two didn't open.
48

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 10:21:19
#45, humanity deserves better than the likes of you.
49

ninenro,

26/04/2008 10:21:57
35
He was on yesterday !!! Making an idiot of you all !
50

paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 10:22:09
I know fully expect Wattie in his...

...lets be honest mode...

To now fully admit his withdrawel of players from the Scotland squad had nothing to do with injury but rather a deliberate effort on his part to protect his squad for the domestic games....

Rangers have perfected the dark arts!
51

ninenro,

26/04/2008 10:22:29
49
Sorry ... himself !
52

paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 10:30:33
#44

Hvn is not sectarian...never has been...

Mo Johnston was a Hvn...as was Paul Le Guen...

Maybe you would care to explain the definition of Hvn...

It has and always will mean the enemy....

Maybe that's why Rangers used to back in the sixties refer to Celtic fans as Hvns?

The organistaions you speak of simply wish to remove name calling as they see it as part of the confrontational problem Rangers and Celtic have!
53

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 10:41:11
#52,

"Kill All Hvns" gets painted on walls in Northern Ireland about Protestants, with the equivalent on the other side being "Kill All T@igs". Are Celtic fans happy for them and their team to be called "T@igs"?
54

john devlin,

26/04/2008 10:54:52
Walter ya grumpy old faart....get on with it and stop trying to erect a safety net in case your team implodes.....excuses excuses excuses.....you wont loose the league due to tiredness of players......it will be a lack of bottle.
55

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Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 11:00:12
44 Best

Yep thats it confirmed then, you have beenon the Kerrydale st site and according to you they are all bigots and that means all Celtic fans are bigots.

Its not like their is similar or worse pro RFC site is it. Does the existence of vangaurdbears.com mean all bears are raving loonies? Off course not so grow up and make sensible points eh?

47 teary

Wrong, things such as you mentioned were thrown at Robson so what does that say about all the RFC fans?

49 ninero

Yep thats emperical evidence that he is a tim.
Dont think youll quite qualify for CSI Graduate school yet.
LOL

57

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:02:30
"Wrong" (#56)

Nope.
58

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 11:04:11
It is wonderful now we read WS comments as for so long we were being told that RFC hadnt asked for an extension. We can only imagine the behind the scence manouverings of RFC senior peole to get the situation they deemed 'right'.
59

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 11:07:19
57 teary

You can say nope but i have a friend who worked on the night at CP ans was about 20 feet away when it happened on 2 occassions.

It was also reprted in several media outlets.
60

Chuckle Bhoy,

26/04/2008 11:08:07
Bosco, you just gave me a great laugh with that vangaurdbear site. OMG what a shower of w#nkers LOL.
61

Bosco Bhoy,

26/04/2008 11:10:44
So how does it go?

Lawell is 'lying' and is being disingenuous in stating his opposition to an extension to the season is on the grounds of "sporting integrity" but when Smith and RFC say for weeks that they didnt ask or dont want an extension they are being 100% honest.

Double standards or what?
62

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:11:05
How sad that the Scotman has either pulled or not even started any OF threads.

Onto the article and Advocaat will fancy his team to do Rangers. It would be funny if they did but I don't think they will. Neither team will reach the final.

It's Bayern v Fiorentina for me.

63

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:11:32
#59,

Your alleged pal and vague medsia reports. Nope.
64

paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 11:12:45
#53

Sadly Teary...there is deep religious hatred that exists in the North of Ireland...which the tone and use of the language reflects this....

However their innapropriate use of words has no bearing on a words meaning....

Whether the use of the word hvn is appropriate in football is another issue....but it is certaily not sectarian...as to t@igs...it's never bothered me in the slightest.

I note you avoid explaining why Mo Johnston or Paul Le Guen were hvns?....could it be...it contradicts your theory?
65

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:16:39
61

Bosco, Rangers can have no grumbles they wanted TWO games postponed earlier in the season and the SPL agreed. Rangers have contributed to their own problems. Also Smith should have used his squad better instead of hardly playing the likes of Naismith and Burke and when he eventually did play them they were injured because they weren't fully match sharp - both injuries were typical of players trying to get match sharp - though once again Smith blamed the SFA for the state of the pitch.

Rangers know they have ridden their luck. Now it's crunch time and they are being exposed for what they are - Nothing more than a bunch of triers and cluggers.

I fancy Celtic to beat Rangers (excuses and all) by a couple of goals this weekend - McD to break his duck and Aiden to score from outside the box with a low well placed drive.

It's 2-0 for me.
66

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:19:54
#64,

So all that Protestant/Catholic stuff in NI is nothing to do with the Protestant/Catholic stuff over here?

As for Mo and PLG they worked for a club with a Protestant identity.

And as for "T@ig" it is certainly a sectarian insult.
67

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:22:58
"Rangers can have no grumbles they wanted TWO games postponed earlier in the season and the SPL agreed" (#65)

So what were the two?

Rangers offered to play games agains Partick and Hibs earlier but that was refused.

Games have been postponed for a variety of reasons so it would be daft to claim it was all the fault of one party.
68

Daillyman,

26/04/2008 11:23:24
Bosco

Let me say I dont agree with the league extension but it will happen should the Gers go through to the UEFA final, which will be tough.

If Celtic were in a similar position as the Gers with the back log of matches do you not think they would be requesting an extension as the Gers have.

Tim 65

I remember the request for the Gretna game being postponed what was the other match the Gers requested be rescheduled?
69

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:27:04
64

Hi Paul,

Like you all the sectarian words RFC fans use has never bothered me.

I have been called a pape - a wine grape, a jungle jim - a tim, a feenyin, a taig, a shettleston harrier - a tarrier, a beadrattler, a kafflik cvnt, a kafflik bastid, a kafflik this a kafflik that...it never bothered me in the slightest, I just held the abusers in utter contempt they deserved no more.

What I do find offensive though is the songs against other people - especially heros who died for their passion like Jock Stein and Bobby Sands. I also find it offensive that others should have to sit in a public arena for entertainment and be subjected to songs about, execution, attempted genocide, murder, terrorism, anti catholicism, anti scottish, nazism, paedophilia, ancient massacres and glorifying a family and system that reeks of hypocrisy and was built upon evil deeds.

They are the wee narra peepil - they really are.
70

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:28:44
The two games that Rangers wanted postponed were;

Gretna to rest themselves for Lyon.

Celtic at Parkhead at New Year because Bazza was mates with the late Phil O'Donnell may he rest in peace.
71

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:33:18
#70,

It was Celtic who wanted the OF game postponed. Rangers did the decent thing and agreed to it.
72

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:36:22
71

Go and check Walter Smith's statement at the time. Rangers did not want to play the game.

Celtic initially requested the postponment. The SPL then asked Rangers. (unlike the bigger decision of extending the season where they consulted and asked NO ONE!)

Rangers gave their own reasons for wanting the game called off - read Smith's comments at the time.
73

Daillyman,

26/04/2008 11:38:04
Tim 69 / Paul

Why do we always have to do down this path. Can we not try to leave this crap alone, these forums are supposed to be for football, me slagging the Tic and you doing the same to the Gers, at a football level.

Every day the forums get reduced to bile, someone says something and then the retaliation on the threads start by the opposite party.

Look at the would be Italian poster Forza La Viola over the last few days he has rarely mentioned football, but has brought every other subject on the face of the earth to these threads. If we stick to the football rants and do not respond to the morons maybe they will give up and go away.
74

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:38:57
Incidentally, RFC had their own agenda for wanting the New Year call off - it was the start of what they thought was going to be a heavy month - a 10 game month. Walter wanted to rest his troops after several tough games in Dec - Pittodrie and Easter Rd spring to mind.

Rangers wanted that game called off and on their say so the SPL did just that.
75

Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:41:54
#72,

Here is Rangers' official statement on that postponement:

'Rangers chief executive Martin Bain said the club had no objection to the match's postponement.

He told the Rangers website: "The SPL made contact with the club today to inform us that Celtic had requested the postponement of Wednesday's derby fixture following the death of Motherwell captain Phil O'Donnell.

"Due to the tragic circumstances we had no objections to this request and we abide by the SPL's decision to reschedule the game."'

Trying to make out the postponement was Rangers' doing is laughable.
76

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:44:24
73

Fair comments. I was just pointing out that the names on a personal level don't bother me. But when a little nun collecting money for the starving in Argyle St gets subjected to abuse by a marching Orange rabble then I do find that offensive.

The point is...call me anything it has NO effect. Abuse the innocent and I will react.

But you are of course right, this forum is not the right place to air such views then again a football stadium is not a place to vent hate filled songs about dead legends, anti-catholicism, paedophilia, massacres etc....

So I take the point and will try to keep to football, any chance your fellow RFC fans can do likewise at Parkhead tomorrow?

77

Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:46:04
75

Of course the official statement is going to say that. Corporate press releases rarely tell the whole truth. Bain is toeing the company line there.

Now do as I asked you, go and check Watty's comments at the decision.

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Daillyman,

26/04/2008 11:49:42
72 Tim

As for the Jan 2nd cancellation against Celtic, I was under the impression that out of respect for Phil O'Donnell, Celtic requested the cancellation and Rangers agreed to it.

If you cast you're mind back to that time Celtic were in rough shape with some key injuries and were going through a dip in form, and if most Bears were honest would have preferred to play the match on the 2nd of Jan.

I wondered then about the integrity of the SPL when they made some clubs play and yet cancelled other matches, the proper thing to do out of respect was to cancel the entire schedule that day, out of respect to a player who had passed away.
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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:49:43
#77,

Of course Walter said some things to back up the postponement. But claiming Rangers instigated that postponement is still a joke.

As for Rangers supposedly having an "agenda" (#74) for the postponement, the same could be claimed of Celtic. Do you still want to go down that road?
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Daillyman,

26/04/2008 11:53:00
76 Tim

Remember there are 2 teams playing tomorrow. And 2 sets of supporters were guilty of throwing objects at the last match, not just RFC supporters.
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The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 11:54:54
Rangers never wanted the January game called off. celtc did because McGeady, Nakamura and others were out either injured or suspended.

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"It's happened and if the SPL think that's the way to treat their teams then that's fine.

"It's strange as they called off a game to help us do well in a European situation and we played that game (Gretna) immediately.

"During the season we also had two replays which we offered to play straight away in order to free up other weekends and both were turned down.

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This fixture log jam could have been avoided, clearly there was some reason why the offer to play those games were turned down, I just don't recall what that reason was.
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:55:30
Teary/Daily

Celtic did instigate it. Agreed.

It wasn't postponed until RFC gave it the nod then the SPL postponed it. Do you agree that had Rangers NOT given it the nod then the game would have been played?

It suited Rangers to have the game postponed.

It could be argued it also suited Celtic - McGeady was out and Naka was just coming back to fitness.

December was also a rough month for Celtic - 10 yes TEN games were played in that month without many of our key players. So again it kinda suited Celtic.

But it also suited Rangers, they weren't doing anyone a favour and they were dreading a TEN match January that lay ahead.

Let's agree to differ. The postponement suited both parties but it wasn't made until Rangers said so.
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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 11:57:58
"It wasn't postponed until RFC gave it the nod then the SPL postponed it." (#82)

Well obviously the SPL consult the other club!
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 11:59:16
83

Why then didn't the SPL consult all the other clubs affected by the season extension?
85

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 12:02:32
Malloy. How on earth could Rangers refuse a request like that? Has there been a precedent for refusing a request like that?

There was no way Rangers would refuse a request like that and to suggest Rangers did it out of their own self interest is a poor show.

If Rangers had refused celtc would have gone to town on Rangers decision and you know it.

Fact is if celtc had never made the initial request there was no way Rangers would have made it so your argument falls on it's erse.
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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 12:02:36
#84,

Different situation. They did consult Gretna about the postponement of their game against Rangers. They did consult Motherwell when Aberdeen wanted a postponement.
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The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 12:04:39
We all know why celtc made that request. Another ex celt died n the last month or so, was there a request for a postponement there?
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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 12:04:44
As for the "extension" to the season:

1) it probably won't happen (ask the bookies)

2) even if it does, league games will still be completed before the Cup final (the traditional end to the season).
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 12:05:23
86

What's different about it?

The FIVE other clubs did NOT want an extension it affects them in many different and more expensive ways - why on earth were they NOT consulted.

Also who made the decision? Gordon Smith? Lex Gold?

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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 12:09:24
"What's different about it?" (#88)

You really can't see the difference between postponing a single game and the recent rearrangement?

"The FIVE other clubs did NOT want an extension"

Ex-Celt Mark McGhee says otherwise (see yesterday's Evening Times).

"Also who made the decision? Gordon Smith?"
He's SFA, not SPL. Iain Blair seems to have most to say about it. Ask him.
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paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 12:10:25
#85

Simple....

Dundee Utd asked and were refused end of....

All the SPL had to do was refuse Celtic in the same manner....

Instead they consulted Rangers....rangers had the final say!
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 12:10:40
88 Teary

Whatever happens do you agree this season has been a bit farcical. What with the state of the pitches, the whole Gretna scenario, the authorities lack of courage - they should have postponed the whole card and not left it up to clubs - and also the fact that now it comes down to cramming everything into four weeks. It is a farce don't you think?
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Daillyman,

26/04/2008 12:12:39
82 Tim

Celtics December matches, to my understanding the Tic played 7 league matches and 1 European tie, Rangers had 5 league matches and a Euro tie. I may have missed a rescheluded match somewhere, but those were the number of games listed on the December SPL website,
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paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 12:14:24
#89

Ian Blair..is in charge of fixtures...he is charged with finding solutions to the situation faced....

He is supposed to recommend these possible solutions to the board....he didn't...

Could be due to the fact the current board members are...

Celtic......didn't want it
Dundee Utd....didn't want it
Hibs...didn't want it
Falkirk.....didn't affect them
Lex Gold....didn't affect him

So the board would possilbly have rejected it!
95

The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 12:15:04
Hughes, the Falkirk manager and big tim said the league should be helping Rangers. But he's not your common or garden bitter tim. He's a gentleman tim like TB. There's too few like them sadly.
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The best-Rangers,

26/04/2008 12:16:34
#94, 3 clubs of a particular 'persuasion' all agreed. No surprises there then.
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Teary Ennui,

26/04/2008 12:18:38
#92,

Of course it's been a mess - but remember that a lot of different factors have gone into it. Hopefully some lessons can be learned for the future.
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paulmac,

surrey 26/04/2008 12:21:10
Tim you're wasting yer time with...in denial Teary....

Teary spends his entire life defending and creating denial theories on behalf of Rangers....unless of course you present bare face facts...which he will then deflect from....

Watch the excuses he dribbles out today....
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Media 1,

cape town 26/04/2008 12:21:30
The SPL should look at CUP football a bit closer. There is no reason to play replays in cup football. You do a draw, you play 90 minutes and if there is no winner you take penalties and get it over with. No extra time, no replays, 90 minutes and penalties if needed.
Absolutely NO cancellations for European games. If you are playing on a Saturday and then again on the Tuesday then to bad, you play!

Rangers asked for a cancellation before Lyon. Scotland asked for a cancellation before Italy. The result, TWO LOSSES! Go figure, it doesnt work and it should no be allowed, that was two entire weeks wasted. Phil Odonnel, a tragic incident, but since the game did not involve the OF the fixture should have gone ahead. Frank Lampard just lost his mum, but the game goes on, he on the otherhand has applied for compassionate leave.
Rangers only have themselves to blame for the cramped fixture list, they could have played prior to the Lyon game, it would have made no difference at all.

Tomorrow will be interesting, Rangers know that there is really only two games left this season. A draw tomorrow delivers the league, and a score draw in Italy delivers the UEFA cup final place. Then its easy street for the title, the Scottish cup and win or loose European glory has been restored by getting to the final.
But can they beat Celtic? I say no
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 12:21:33
93

You are correct Dailyman.

What I should have said was - Celtic had to play 9 games in 32 days.

Point was our December was a heavier month than RFC's and we were without our key men - Boruc, Naka, VofH, Hartley and any right back.
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Timothy Malloy Esq.,

26/04/2008 12:24:57
Media 1

Talking of cup football, don't you think it's about time the League Cup was pulled or only competed for by the lower divisions - ie...those actually in the SFL?

This tournament has been in decline for years and I think it ought to be kicked into touch.