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Published Date: 10 March 2009
A Team GB soccer side will take part in the London 2012 Olympics even if it consists entirely of English players, sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe insisted today.
The issue has become a political and sporting battleground, with the Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland football associations opposing a joint squad in case it affects the future of their independent national sides.

Mr Sutcliffe told MPs he wanted a team which had the "widest representation" from the UK, but it could be that only the Football Association in England would allow its players to compete.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said he wants to see both male and female teams playing in the 2012 games.

Mr Sutcliffe said football's international ruling body Fifa had given written assurances that a UK side in 2012 would not affect the national teams.

But he acknowledged "there has always been and will continue to be a threat to that individuality because of the way Fifa is evolving", irrespective of the 2012 issue.

Speaking in a debate at Parliament's Westminster Hall he said: "What a farce it would be to have those qualification games in Wales and Scotland without the possibility of British participation."

Asked if a purely English team would take the field if the associations in the other home nations boycotted the event, Mr Sutcliffe said: "That is correct and that is the sad fact of what is going to happen unless we can try and resolve this issue."

The debate was opened by the SNP's Pete Wishart (Perth and N Perthshire), who said participation in the "meaningless" Olympic soccer competition could jeopardise the future of the Scotland national side.

He said: "We should do absolutely nothing that would ever threaten our independent football status.

"We should never give a hint of a precedent that might be able to be used against us in the future, we should give no reason, no excuse to those who would question our independent footballing status, no succour to those who would seek to end the very generous arrangements we have in the UK."

Competing in the Olympics would risk that status for "a meaningless competition and I say it is not worthwhile".

He also claimed the Prime Minister had been leading calls for a joint team for political reasons, as part of his "Britishness agenda".

Labour's Albert Owen (Ynys Mon) accused the SNP and Plaid Cymru of pursuing a "narrow nationalist agenda" in opposing the joint team.

His fellow Labour backbencher Andrew Mackinlay (Thurrock) supported the objective of a joint team but said it was a matter for the football associations to decide and "the Government should back off".

Shadow Olympics minister Hugh Robertson questioned whether men's football was a "natural fit" in the Games, because of the higher status given to other competitions in the sport such as the World Cup.

But he said the tournament did have a greater importance in the women's game and the Paralympics.

He continued: "The sad part of this is that as things stand the athletes affected will be denied a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to compete in front of their own home crowds at the world's largest sporting event."

It was a "great shame this has become such a politically contentious issue" which had been used by the Prime Minister to make wider points about the Union, to which the SNP had reacted, Mr Robertson added.

Liberal Democrat Olympics spokesman Tom Brake backed a joint team but called for "much more solid assurances" from Fifa.

Mr Wishart argued that the situation could be remedied by allowing Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland to compete as individual teams.

This idea was backed by former Scotland manager Craig Brown, who was in Westminster Hall to watch the debate.

He said: "If there is an insistence on having UK representation, why not allow all four teams to compete?

"Football is already a special case in the Olympics because it discriminates by only allowing players under 23 to compete, so why not allow the four sides from the UK?"

Mr Brown was sceptical about the guarantees from Fifa, insisting they would see a UK side as an "opportunity to join the four nations in future competitions".

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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2009 12:51 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: London Olympics 2012
 
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salmondella,

Uk 10/03/2009 12:27:57
This story sums up the absurdity of nationalism and chauvinism. Football is a game no matter what Shankly said so why bring politics into this.

What next - a ban on Scottish players who play in the English FA not being able to play for a British team? - grow up SNP -you opporunist chancers - and get behind a British fitba team, the same as we all get behind a British curling team that relies mainly on Scottish players.
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Riot_Survivor,

10/03/2009 12:39:48
There already is a team GB at the London Olympics.

Many Scots athletes will compete within that team.

Why are so many politicising something that is very easy understood.

It is not about nationalism. There is no call for a seperate Scots Olympic team. All that is being requested is, simply put, that the national identity of the Scottish FA be preserved and that nothing is done which jeopordises Scotlands future as an independant football country.

Despite the interference of politicians, only last week Sepp Blatter stated that it could have consequences.

On that basis, we are best to stay out of football and let the rest of the Scots competitors in other sports represent team GB.

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Calum Crubag,

10/03/2009 13:04:35
#3 - it's Labour and their Tory allies that are using this 'Team GB' to promote their British Nationalist agenda.

There IS no football team GB. Leave it that way.
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Calum Crubag,

10/03/2009 13:06:30
Says #3- "the same as we all get behind a British curling team" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aye, huge crowds of it. But you do have a point. The originally Scottish sport of curling is played in more countries than cricket. But what do we get on TV?
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Sportivo,

porty 10/03/2009 13:15:09
It would be completely irresponsible to do anything that would risk the future of the 4 nations.
Why does the English FA not agree? Do they think there is no risk to them?
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Pentland12,

Prestwick 10/03/2009 14:24:05
>>Speaking in a debate at Parliament's Westminster Hall he said: "What a farce it would be to have those qualification games in Wales and Scotland without the possibility of British participation."<<

No, actually by playing qualification games in Scotland or Wales you acknowledge there are other countries outside England, and indeed that we are 'separate' countries within 'Great Britain'.
So unless you change it to 'Northern England' and 'South West England' (which I am sure many dahn sath would welcome), it actually becomes even MORE confusing if you then have a GB team...

Mr Sutcliffe is not so much the voice of football, but voice of a football.

Ross Muir
Member of The Vocal Minority
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Drylaw,

Adelaide 10/03/2009 15:12:40
7 Sportivo--- Its simple.One GB team run by Englands FA would be their preference as a result of a GB Olympic team. A win win situation for the F.A.After all isn't England really Britian?
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fiferjohn,

10/03/2009 15:18:45
the people that are glad the the will be a gb team should keep in mind fifa want to cut the 4 football associations down to one.
if that happens scotland.wales and northen ireland will lose millons in revenune coming into their counrties.
so it is not just a matter of sport but a matter of much needed money for us .
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redcliffe62,

10/03/2009 15:23:28
so 3 of the 4 home nations said no after dialogue with sepp blatter, who advised strongly against it. the english fa were advised of this, seem silent on it, their assurances cut no ice with anyone.
england said yes, and their 1 vote seemed to outweigh the votes of the other 3. fancy england thinking it could run roughshod over others. 3-1 in either a vote or a soccer game means that the majority decision rules, except where england are concerned it seems.
remember all that is offered will be a token northern irishman, welshman and scotsman, as that will be what happens, as they could not hav 11 englishman in a gb team.
why not let them all compete, or have a comp and the winner represents britain. but that would not work as england would not be represented.....and for pollies in need of a successful olympics that gets england as a country supporting the financial basket case is all that matters.
what if the team had 4 scots, 4 northern irish, 3 welsh and no english in it? would they be so happy to have a gb team...? plainly they want england in it, with a token presence in the regions to pretend we are all excited about this farce.
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eamon,

10/03/2009 15:24:40
It really is simple. Scotland becomes an independent nation before 2012, then we send an olympic squad of our own to represent us, including a football team.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 10/03/2009 15:39:57
#12 That would certainly be the ideal scenario.
Had to laugh at the poster who said "we all get behind the GB curling team". I didn't know there was one,and no matter the sport,I don't "get behind them" and never care whether a GB team does well at anything.
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eamon,

10/03/2009 16:25:23
#13 Cpt Incredibly Incredible
I am the same. I am a big rugby fan, love the game, but cannot support the Lions. I will admit to owning a copy of the tour to South Africa ( a present), and even to enjoying it, but no way would I support them. Couldnt imagine supporting woodworms crowd in NZ while waving an onion jack.
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Dave from Pakistan,

London 10/03/2009 17:40:43
This will bring much needed improvement to Scotland methinks. Let's face it, England are streets ahead and consistently play at the highest standard possible, Scotland on the other hand play currently like a pub team. Look at our best Baz Ferguson, whoc could not cut the mustard in England, and currently the best Scots footballers are found in the Championship or lower. I'd actually be in favour of a British league, unfortunately it would need to consist of 6 divisions and I'd expect Scotland's top teams to be struggling to get out of Division 6.
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Scotsman in Dublin,

10/03/2009 17:56:16
#18, If you are 'from Pakistan' why are you using the term "our" in relation to Scotland. And if you are from Scotland then you are the worst kind of Scot, constantly putting down your own country and sucking up to the colonial master.

Scotland do very well in football, we are a country of 5 million people, there are not many countries of 5 million or less that are more succesful.
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fiferjohn,

10/03/2009 17:59:09
#dave
how will it bring a improvement to scotland as we don't want anything to do with it.and if england are so good why have you not won the world cup or european cup in decades.
the only reason scotland struggle is one thing money give scotland money and you will see changes in about 5 years.but you have to keep scotland poor or we might get above our station
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From this Flower , safety,

London. 10/03/2009 18:34:18
The precedent of a GB football team was set more than forty years ago , so the idea that a GB team today would create a precedent is false . Secondly the separate Unions have , it seems to me , no power to prevent any player from representing GB if that player so wishes and is selected . Any Union attempting such a restriction will enter a legal minefield .
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From this Flower , safety,

London . 10/03/2009 18:36:45
If Mr Ferguson is Rangers ´til he dies why was he at Blackburn ?
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NBJT,

North Berwick 10/03/2009 19:59:32
Let Scotland have its own Olympic team.

We are allowed to have our sports teams in almost every sport going, even cricket, so why can we not have our own Olympic team???

Of course it does not suit the Unionist agenda. Pathectic people who are scared to allow us to govern ourselves!!!!!!
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Lady Golightly,

10/03/2009 20:21:37
Simple solution to this:

Ban all football - there you go problem solved.
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Rosscobhoy,

10/03/2009 20:35:50
#24 I agree.

#23 He found out when he went to Blackburn that he couldn't handle it. Apart from a couple of decent games before he done his knee he looked well out of his depth. A bit like Petrov in his first season(But who is now showing his class). Whether he would have looked good after injury we'll never know, but i doubt it. He's never been as good since coming back for a start.
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bus user,

edinburgh 10/03/2009 21:21:44
I am ambivalent about this.
Only a fool believes that Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland could survive as separate soccer nations if their Associations fell for this nonsense. On the other hand, does it matter, except to the supporters of small teams that never win anything, so invest their energy in a national team that never wins anything? In the amateur Olympic days, there was a GB football team and it usually had a lot of Queen's Park players in it as they played at the highest level UK amateurs could reach - the old Scottish Second Division.
More important is the nomenclature - it is NOT Team GB if it includes Northern Ireland. It may be a small point to some, but until it says otherwise I have a Passport for the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Team UK please.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 21:30:35
I have been completely consistent about this since day one. I oppose a "UK" football team in the 2012 Olympics, and the integrity of the Scottish National team must be retained at all costs.

However, I do wonder how realistic the notion is that FIFA could bring about the demise of our National team? After all, if FIFA decide at some point to no longer recognise Scotland's International status in football, then how could there be a Scottish league, or how could there be "Scottish" representatives in European club competitions. I realise that these matters may be more the remit of UEFA rather than FIFA, but it would be ridiculous for Scotland to be allowed to have a National league set-up, to have clubs representing Scotland in Euro club competition, yet not be allowed to have its own National team.

We may be over-dramatising the situation.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 21:55:40
Is it, Ribbonman?

I'm just a west of Scotland lad who grew up supporting Rangers, but even the joy of an OF victory paled into insignificance compared to a Scotland victory over the Auld Enemy.

I'm as patriotic a Scot when it comes to my football as any supporter of other clubs.
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Gorach,

Freuchie 10/03/2009 21:55:41
An all English team or 4 teams. End of story.

Imagine an all English team playing in Scotland and
the thousands in the stands cheering for the other team. They won't let that happen because that's what will happen.


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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 22:08:19
pundit

Steve Davis and Kenny Miller? You must be extracting the golden fluid.

Stick your "Team GB" where the sun don't shine.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 22:35:48
pundit

Smaller, less powerful nations are alays the most vulnerable in these situations. In reality, "England" and "Team GB" would be virtually indistinguishable, with the "National" squad overwhelmingly English with a token Scot, Irishman and Welshman thrown in.

It would be a disaster for Scotland.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 10/03/2009 22:42:39
At least if there is one I'd have a team to cheer on.
i.e anyone they play.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 22:48:25
pundit

I don't know if "you English" are so up for it or not. It's certainly not a hot topic of conversation in my part of the south of England. "Apathy" would be the most apt description.

What makes it a disaster for Scotland is very obvious. Very few Scottish players would ever win an international cap again, and those who did would find the majority of Scottish fans couldn't care less.

In fact, I think that most Scottish fans would have more liking and respect for Scottish players who REFUSED to play for such a team.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 10/03/2009 22:50:54
Oops,I should have said I'd cheer on anyone who plays them. i.e GBs opposition.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 22:54:47
Cpt Incredible

Don't panic, I think that your point was well understood!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2009 23:04:39
pundit

Unlike many from both sides of the OF divide, I'm not a fan of the whole "Rangers/Celtic for the Premiership" campaign.

IMO, both teams would become similar to the Newcastles, Evertons and Man Citys of this world, hoping for the odd Cup final and maybe a high enough league finish for UEFA Cup place.

You could forget all about lifting trophies and CL football. I rather like us where we are. Scottish football teams playing in the Scottish league, with several of our players in contention for the Scottish National team.
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eamon,

10/03/2009 23:53:43
as I said earlier, after independence we will have our own olymlic team, our own national team and our own everything. And to #48- the sooner you go back down there pronto the better.
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Neutral Observer,

11/03/2009 11:07:17
#48 pundit

Rangers and Celtic have no chance of beng allowed into the English Premiership 'fact'.

As to the chances of the home nations having to amlgamate because of a precedent set by the Olympics, this is probably hot air. In the days of amateur sport there was a British football team (soccer if David Beckham is reading) and that did not lead to world bodies calling for the countries to be merged for internationals. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the demerger of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia has brought many more small countries into play without any problems. So why should FIFA an UEFA want to amalgamate the British teams. Its not logical - there are 4 seperate FA's athough Welsh teams playing in the English leagues is a bit of an anomaly.
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Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry 11/06/2009 09:20:58
Drylaw "After all isn't England really Britian?"

Well no, actually Scotland has the best claim to be Britain given that it is made up (in its original ethnicity as a nation) from:

Indigenous Picts.
Gaels from Ireland,
Welsh in Strathclyde and Galloway
and English in the Lothians and Borders.

There you are, all four in the one country ...

 

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