Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

The hunt is On.
Sponsored by
Can you track down Scotland's wildest beastie?
 
 
Friday, 5th December 2008

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the The Scotsman site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Stirling lobby for under-20 league to aid teenage talent



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 13 August 2008
PRODUCING good rugby players has not been a problem for Stirling County since the club joined the big boys over a decade ago with an incredible rise to the top, but holding on to them has been.
As clubs put the finishing touches to plans for the new season, County are again preparing to unleash some teenage talent on Division 1 opponents. Ian Jardine, the current head coach, knows more than most about the rugby factory at Bridgehaugh as he
was one of the batch of teenagers who helped steer the club through the leagues and to the title in 1995.

With players such as Kenny Logan, Kevin McKenzie, George Graham and then Jim McLaren, he then took County's name onto the international stage. Allister Hogg and Alastair Kellock have followed, while a host of Stirling players have worn the navy blue at various age-group levels.

Yet, Stirling have not again won the championship, spending more time bobbing between the top divisions than contesting the silverware. One clear reason for that, Jardine believes, is the 'black hole' into which rugby talent disappears between the ages of 18 and 20.

"That is the reason why we have been lobbying for an under-20 league in Scotland" he explained, "and why we're pretty disappointed that only a few clubs have supported us.

"We're still producing some great young players and we've got some involved with the firsts at the moment – No 8 Jason Hill, Kevin Bryce, a full-back still under-18, second row Grant Gilchrist, Danny Gilmour, a centre, just some of the boys that we should see coming to senior level in the next couple of years.

"On a Sunday we can have 50 boys at P3/4 level and 40 or so at each age group above that with four or five coaches each – it's fantastic. But Scottish rugby needs much more of them coming through to adult rugby and we're not getting that."

He added: "Just as at a club, you need strong levels below to have a strong national side. When Stirling were at their best, they had a great 2nd XV and when Scotland were winning games they had quality players pushing the guys in the team.

"Now, that's difficult with just two professional teams. We have injuries now and players get thrown into the Scottish team without a lot of competition."

Now in full stride, Jardine insisted that Scotland's current players lack the same motivational steps that he benefited from, through club, district and A team, and urged the SRU to consider re-establishing an inter-district championship, allowing top club players to play in teams alongside fringe pros not enjoying regular game-time at Edinburgh and Glasgow.

As for Stirling County, the club has appointed Millan Browne as development officer specifically to develop the 18-20 age group, and they will continue to push for an U20 league. This season, Jardine remains hopeful that his youngsters are maturing quickly and can not only stay in the top flight but challenge at the top again in the near future.

"Only Boroughmuir really outclassed us last season," he added, "but we lacked experience to win games that were very close. It was crucial to stay up and I hope the guys have taken confidence from achieving that, and that bit more experience will help us win more matches. We're certainly looking forward to it."



The full article contains 579 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 12 August 2008 11:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Mini Mitch,

13/08/2008 00:19:37
I don't get what Jardie is on about in this article. As a County fan it seems odd for him to be commenting that we have a black hole when players leave under 18s. Our 2XV is largely made up of players aged under 21. This team has been massively successful over the past few year winning the 2XV League twice and finishing 2nd once. For me the county 2XV is almost an under 20s team, but still manages to go out and beat teams like Heriots, Watsonians and Boroughmuir who have much older and more experienced second teams.

Surely this is the best way to have things with the clubs that can putting out young sides and testing them against older, bigger, more experienced players.

p.s. It should be glen bryce who is mentioned not Kevin. Kevin is also in the national set-up, but Glen is the under 18 full back.
2

SCRFC VP,

stirling 13/08/2008 09:38:52
Hi Mini Mitch...come and discuss in the club house. You are right we have a great 2nd XV. Issue is they are now 20, so no longer U20's, and adding real competition to the 1st XV and we have another crop of U20's now coming through some of which need developing before challenging for 2's or 1's spots. 3rd XV rugby is a mix of social players and youngsters so we NEED U20 rugby to keep the attraction for these guys moving out of U18 rugby. This is happening across Scotland and a national U20 league is the way forward to grow the game and develop the players
3

royco,

13/08/2008 09:50:41
Sounds right to me. An U-20 team would be a good way of keeping younger players involved, at a time when many drop out. Also a return to district championships is a must, we need to see the best of the players and not just from Premier 1, as a stepping stone to Club International and Pro team selection. That is the tier on the cake that's presently missing. County need some support on these proposals.
4

John south of Soutra,

13/08/2008 10:22:44
Is this not just another way of the P1 clubs hoovering up the best talent.
There are many clubs in the country who don't have the luxery of numbers and woudln't be able to run an U20 side as their 1st & 2nd XVs rely on them
5

royco,

13/08/2008 14:09:15
This could only apply to the Premier 1 teams, for the reason John sos says. It's high time Heriots, Watsonians etc had an U-20 team from their own resources, instead of 'bringing in' players from other clubs.
6

bigbadbroon,

big smoke 13/08/2008 18:23:59
don't need an U20 league - the clubs should enter agreements with some of the junior clubs in their 'feeder' areas and farm out the surplus to those teams. Playing 2nd XV snr rugby or 1st XV for a junior club is a hard school and far better prep. for snr rugby than an U20 league where they would just be playing against the same faces they have faced time and again throughout the age group systems
7

WA,

15/08/2008 20:35:50
6# "an U20 league where they would just be playing against the same faces they have faced time and again throughout the age group systems". Yeh, just like they do in every other country in the world and it works.

Good luck to Stirling, Scotland are out of step with every other country in the world and I don't think for one munute that we are right and they are all wrong!

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.