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'Everything was agreed. We came within a few hours of selling the club'



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Published Date: 17 August 2008
Sir David Murray has his share of critics calling for his head, but tells Tom English he will only leave Rangers in safe hands...
SO THERE they were, a year ago in a London hotel, Sir David Murray, his right-hand man Donald Wilson and his football man Martin Bain on one side of the table and the new buyers of Rangers Football Club on the other.

Not a lot to be said now. No
t a lot of money talk, not a lot of legals. Two months in the making, the transfer of ownership of one of the great institutions of the British game was close to completion. "It's true, we came within a few hours of selling the club," said Murray.

"We were all ready to go. Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality. Everything was pretty much agreed and then I said, 'Look, gentleman, before we do this, can you tell me how you're going to run this club?'. I'm sitting there with all the legal documents in front of me and they outline their plans, 'We'll carve this up and we'll sell that off' and after a while I said 'Enough, we're not doing the deal'. We got up and walked out. We took our papers and went out the door. It wasn't for Rangers. In my opinion they did not want to take the club forward in a football way. They saw property angles. That's the closest I've come to selling; a few hours last year in a nice London hotel."

It's an interesting story. And a story with a message behind it. Murray's note to the disaffected at Rangers, the ones who called for his head in the wake of the Kaunas defeat and the defection of Carlos Cuellar to Aston Villa could be interpreted as 'be careful what you wish for'.

How many of the Rangers support are truly against him? Hard to say but he knows what they're like. He mentions the Rangers Supporters' Trust. Not much trust there anymore, alas. "The boy David Edgar (its spokesman) has made it very, very personal. Six weeks ago he sat in front of me and said it wasn't personal, we're totally supportive of the club, we want to work with you and then he went and did this. It's an ego trip. The Liberal Democrats don't get as much publicity as David Edgar!"

Edgar is an excitable chap, no question. He accused Murray of asset-stripping the club last week, said it was a rudderless ship, said a lot of things. Said Murray wasn't the man to steer it any longer. Even by the standards of football's most idiotic knee-jerks the pleas for Murray to vacate Ibrox are monumentally thick, the logic of people with bubbles for brains and all the big picture view of Mr Magoo.

Walter Smith has been given in the region of £25m to spend on players and signing-on fees. He's brought in almost 25 players, either as full signings or on loan deals. He has a vast squad, including 10 strikers, and massive support. Shouldn't the manager have enough artillery to overcome a team like Kaunas? So, Mr Edgar, how come you reserve your flak for Murray and not Smith?

The chairmen doesn't need support – he's got a neck plenty hard enough to cope with the stick – but there's been a demented element among the criticism and a hysteria on the rumour mill that has had Murray seething one minute and almost laughing at the lies and the lunacy of it the next.

"Four days on the trot we had four different rumours and the tabloids are so gullible and so busy trying to cut each other's throats they put it in the paper. Ally McCoist having a fight on the floor of the dressing room with Martin Bain. Resigned and walked out the door. You know what I mean? Shaun Maloney at Murray Park. James McFadden doing a medical. People are posting these things on websites and then people are writing about them the next day. No foundation to them whatsoever. James McFadden? 32 grand and six million. Sorry, we don't do 32 grand a week and six million. Total rubbish."

The Cuellar situation is fascinating, too. Another stick to beat the boss with. "Where it was very difficult last week, we sat down with the supporters' assembly and they asked me had we had an offer for Cuellar and I said no but if we do get an offer we'll spend the money on new players. On the Friday night Carlos went to a supporters' do and told them he loved being at the club and the next day we get a phone call saying his agent is coming to Glasgow and wants to see us to talk about Carlos's sale. On the Monday Carlos tells Martin (Bain] he wants to go and play in the Premiership.

"I think Aston Villa were made aware of him wanting to go. From our point of view there was no sign of it coming. I saw him (a few days before]. 'Hiya Carlos'. 'Everything all right, chairman?' He walks along the corridor. Not a word more. What can I do about that? Here's his contract, look. We had to release him if a bid of ?10m came in. And here's the offer from Aston Villa; ?5m on registration, ?5m in 12 months. I didn't want to sell him. I had to sell him. No criticism of Aston Villa, it's football. I don't suppose Portsmouth are all that happy that all of a sudden we've decided to jump on Pedro Mendes the day before the Premiership starts."

Mendes is what Murray calls a real man. When Barry Ferguson returns from injury he says he's got "men in the midfield". Without saying it, there's no question that Rangers lack hardened pros with big hearts. The Paul Hartleys, the Barry Robsons, the Scott Browns are in short supply in the Ibrox midfield. Mark Bresciano, the Palermo midfielder, would appear to come into that category, too, but despite bidding £4m for the Italian it looks like he's staying put. Maurice Edu is a man, too, it seems. Though only 22 and with only six caps for USA and less than 40 games for Toronto FC to his credit, Murray likes the defensive midfielder. "He's been at the Olympics. This boy's a player. We're in negotiations at £2.5m. He's 6ft tall and a wee bit special. So we're not sitting on our backsides."

But let's say the band of critics get their way and Murray departs. Who'll come in exactly? Plan B, anybody? You noisy minority calling for change, you get Murray out the door. And… ? Who'll pay the bills? Who'll take your bile? Who'll soak up the scrutiny and the nonsense and drive on? You think they're queuing up to invest? You think they grow on trees, these chairmen prepared to put 20 years and £100m into your club? This newspaper has given Murray a few kickings in its time but anybody who wants rid of him at Rangers is either delusional or a Celtic fan. They'd love to see Murray depart and then observe the chaos from afar.

And here's the funny thing. The Murray Must Go! lobby? The Murray family are right there with you. They'd shout and roar just as loud and carry the placards just as high if they could. "These fans are right. Murray's happy to go. My family say it to me every week. Walter Smith doesn't know why I do it. He says 'What are you putting up with this for?'. Oh, in the beginning it was ego maybe, a chance to stick out my chest, but I feel huge responsibility to the club. I could just say 'f*** it' and go. I've plenty of things to do. But I won't do that. I'll do my best until somebody comes up with the answers. It's all very well saying do this and do that but there's not been a bad hand on the tiller the last 20 years. If somebody steps forward with a reasonable offer, I'll go, I'm happy to go, I don't need this in my life. But if the supporters want me to go – which I don't think a lot of them do – fine. But they're not making it easy for somebody else to come in."

Important point, this. Listen up Rangers Supporters Trust and all your indignant comrades. You might learn something.

"There are some things that could put off a new owner coming to the club. There's no doubt we have a small element whose behaviour in Manchester was unacceptable. There was unacceptable behaviour on both sides with some of the police as well but that's for another day. Somebody (a prospective buyer] must look at that and go 'oh'.

"They must see the public scrutiny that everybody comes under at such a big institution and must look at the financial underpinning that the Murray Group has done at Rangers. Let's be under no illusions, it's cost us £100m. I'll tell you this, unless you're backed by proper cash this club will have to downsize. There is an economic crisis out there. People should just sit down and take a minute to reflect. When we were running it in the past, probably slightly recklessly in a financial sense, I was criticised for not running it more soberly; I'm now trying to balance the books and I'm criticised again. Other than me going on the park and scoring goals, which I'm incapable of doing, I don't actually know what else I can do."

Some people won't listen. Those who believe that Murray is an asset-stripper, that he is in charge of a rudderless ship, that the series of blows that have hit Ibrox these past weeks are all his fault will not change their minds. So be it.

"We'll all survive. You get the feeling, though, that some of these detractors would like to see us lose because they think some white knight is going to come over the hill with a sword."

In fairness, it would be a useful weapon to cut through all the garbage that comes with the job.



The full article contains 1730 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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17/08/2008 00:21:34
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Teary Ennui,

17/08/2008 00:27:44
Yeah Tim, it's all a big conspiracy. :0)

As it turns out, the team is potentially stronger than before the Cuellar sale. The biggest priority was to strengthen the midfield.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 00:38:54
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Yes Tim if its a story regarding the Gers it must be lies.

Looking forward to this coming season, and here is hoping the Tic go a long way in the UEFA Cup, after you're 3rd place in the CL group stage.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 00:52:45
Very poor use of resources Minty.

Send Donald Wilson of for "months" of negotiations , only to pull the plug on the whole deal by asking just one question.

Wouldn't it have been better to ask them at the outset what their plans were for Rangers ?

Wouldn't that have saved Donald Wilson a lot of trouble.

Hmmmm...or could it be that it's just a load of old cobblers minty ?
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 00:56:36
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I would think negotiating a price would be the first order of business don't you?

There not the first company to have pulled out of a deal at the final hour. If indeed they did have a deal near completion.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 00:57:27
1 the pundit

It was a consortium involving two elves and a unicorn...tinkerbell acted as their attorney.

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:00:37
6 Brian

"Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality."

Sir Minty.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 01:00:38
Good interview.
True as well that the only people who will be glad to see SDM go are tic fans or imbeciles.
I'm fed up with David Edgar saying that he's speaking for me.He's not.
Asset stripping is the wrong phrase anyway. He owns Rangers.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 01:03:39
The dims are gonna love this thread.
A chance for them to have a go at the man they all FEAR.
A man that they know will go the extra mile for the greatest football club in the world.
A man they are jealous of and yet should respect.
I hope SDM stays for a few years yet and I'll bet you anything that when he does sell, it'll be a cracking deal for Rangers FC.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:16:24
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Good post and I agree 100% about Edger, these parasites just want to see their name in the paper.

Some supporter he is when things go off the rails he is the first in line screaming for heads to roll.

Ban him from Ibrox!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:18:55
12 Mr Madrid

Read you're own post,, talk about people with bubbles for brains!
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Pat the Hat,

Cloud Nine-and-a-half 17/08/2008 01:19:28
In the immortal words of Graham Spiers, Winalot journalism at its best.

And from an Irishman. How embarrassed am I? Not half as embarrassed as Tom English will be when he reads this piece after he sobers up in the morning, I suspect.

Was the lamb especially succulent, Mr English? Did Sir David give you a taste of the finest reds? Are you James Traynor or Chic Young in disguise? Strike that last question, you couldn't be – you have a basic knowledge of English. My apologies.

The prospective buyers did not have the best interests of the Thread Bears at heart, you quote the man who has outsourced every revenue generating stream that "the second most important institution in Scotland after the Church of Scotland" possesses. Oh my aching sides.

Wait a minute, Tom, how could I be so blind? You, like the rest of decent society, want to keep this megalomaniac in charge of Rangers! It's the one sure way of ensuring the gorgon's ultimate destruction. Go raibh maith agat, a chara!

The Espanyolification continues!


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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:19:34
#10 well said, couldnt have put it better, cuellar was to blame for cuellar leaving, do you not think his agent phoned moneill to tell him carlos wanted out and told him the release clause, then villa yes only villa offer the exact amount of the clause HOURS later????mmmmm

SDM has given me so many good years, so many trophies, but the last 7 years have been a struggle for the club and its fans.We are bigger than what we spend on players but i suppose it upto Sir David Murray what we spend.

If Davis and Edu come thats great business, and the buck will stop with Walter as hes the one whos buying them and saying they are good enough just like he got adam, mcculloch, cousin, darche and dailly wrong.time will tell, but im much more upbeat now about our midfield, we should have boys in there who can actually pass between them now, and after another crapp performance we have seen the last of Lee M in the Rangers midfield hopefully!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:22:49
16 chazbud

Cheer up we are joint top, only 36 more to go before being crowned SPL champs.
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Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 17/08/2008 01:26:30
Lies lies, lies.

Stinkgers in a crisis, Murray comes out with more lies and the hollow hollow brigade swallow it all up.

Morons.
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:26:48
17 let him be, i like edgar, but his criticism of Sir David is OTT, he is gutted like the rest of seeing us sell arteta, tugay, arveladze, ferguson, cuellar and buying ostenstad, capucho, vanoli and christain dailly!! Our scouting/signing policy for last decade has been so poor, we have not been able to mould a team in over 8 seasons of football, Walter has a good squad, Sir David has financed him, like i said before Walter carries the can i think, Sir David will always help us, but he does have to increase our wage structure!He has to match the fans ambition. Boughys a belter, is he better footballer than Carlos?, he looks more comfy on the ball....
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:28:14
despite the strong base of a squad, we need to get rid of about 8 or 9 diddies! defo
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:32:30
#22 PMSL

me too
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:35:30
#23 ok but i ask you how much is mcrgeasy, naka, borat, vineger t*ts, gravesen, balde, scott broon on? average 25-30 a week...easy..

they have a far greater wage output and the trophies and titles to back the huge wage bill up?

ye get what ye pay for do ye not?

SDM has lacked ambition, ye dont need to spend a fortune, ye can have DECENT scouts, in last 8 years our scouts have been hopeless.FACT.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:38:20
This consortium....is Minty saying then that they had all missed his numerous press releases over the last 4 years , boring us all to death with relentless claims that he would only sell to someone who had the best interests of the club at heart ?

I mean, Minty's been PRing that message for years, yet he expects us to believe that when he asks about their plans for the club (at the 11th hour), they reply ' wur gonnae turn ibrox intae flats 'n' that likesae'.

Even if such was their intention, wouldn't they have said ' Oh Minty! We ARE going to take the club to the next level, and various other hackneyed old cobblers.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 17/08/2008 01:39:41
Morning Lads...

I must say this piece of fluff would embarrass most red tops never mind a "Quality" paper..

There were sections of the above article that reminded me of a "Dime Novel".It had it all...The tension as the bigwigs sat across the table from each other in a swanky hotel (the author did everything but give us the bloody menu,in setting the tense scene)but as the fateful hour approached,our boy David had a road to Damascus experience,NAY! an EPIPHANY!One could almost hear the tick tock of the ornate Ormolou clock on the mantlepiece as the crisis of conscience that was so artfully portrayed by the hack who penned this tripe reached its shattering crescendo almost had me in tears..of laughter...If this were a real novel it would be "unpickupable"

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:39:42
It's cobblers I tell you, cobblers !
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lostcause1798,

glasgow 17/08/2008 01:44:49
Loyalist at Number 9

It couldn’t be further from the truth that us ‘tic’ fans would be glad to see murray go.

From when murray took over to the mid 90’s all the issues that engulfed celtic were of our own making – murray’s presence made no difference.

Once mccann came in with his 5 year plan things started to look up for us and since that 5 year plan as accomplished celtic have been the dominant force in Scottish Football with 6 from that last 8 championships.

Whether it is murray or anyone else in charge at rangers makes no difference to us.

We are on the right road both on and off the field. What happens at ibrox is inconsequential.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:46:43
Celtic's debt is just a tad over £3m.

We are set for another bumper year in the cash stakes, paticularly as there's a new hoops outfit to be had this season, and weare the only Scottish team in the CL.

This time next year, Balde and Gravesen WILL be gone and our total debt should be around £1.5m
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:47:14
#29 thats fine, so we cut squad, and build on the strongest players left.i hope hes gonna do that, makes sense.

think their wage bill is a good bit higher,but thats good!

Quality not quantity my man!

Edus gony be sum player...if they can get a work permit for koko mizunwho then surely a USA regular should get one, funnily enough the panel who gave mizunwho his work permit were all celtic men!mmm did peter liewell pick the panel?
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:52:31
Cousin and Darcheville are between them taking probably around £40k a week.

Roughly just over half of what Balde and Gravesen take in...but it's still a lot of 'dead' money....I thought Darcheville looked shocking when he came on today....a belly to match his 3rse these days.
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:53:33
#34 aye DC + JCD have to go
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:59:06
#36 good second point, our signings this year have been good. we wont miss carlos.millers been poorest but he will come good.good to see dailly and adam out the team.
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lostcause1798,

17/08/2008 02:04:45
33 the pundit

murray might have made a difference to rangers but he didn't to celtic (which is what rangers loyalist was getting at.

celtic were a disaster by our own doing and the minute we removed that board and got a new one we improved immesurably.

in the celtic accounts issued on friday it showed that for last year our income was down (less money from CL, less money from kit sales, less money made from transfers) and our expenses were up (costs at lennoxtown and wages/transfer fees) - a bad year by anybody's standards.

yet we still reduced our debt and made a profit.

whether murray stays or goes, the last 8 years of excellent financial management at celtic means we are leaving rangers behind.

murray thought he could leave us behind by throwing his money in - it failed.

celtic are only spending what we generate and what we can afford - it appears to be working.
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Giffnock Tim,

GLASGOW 17/08/2008 07:56:36
Have to say that this story really has spin written all over it. Deal just about done before asking new owners their plans? Yet this a dealbreaker. I think not.
Also why did the journo not ask Murray about all of the money that's gone from Rangers to other parts of the Murray empire eg on catering, metals for the stadium etc? No tendering process there. Instead an excellent earner. From recollection business from Rangers makes up over 50% of the turnover for some of Murrays companies.
I am a Celtic supporter but would prefer Murray to stay. He got the club cheaply and has taken a lot out. Properly run they would be more of a force.
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Gerry M,

17/08/2008 07:59:21
What sycophantic and unquestioning drivel from another of Murray´s poodles.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:39:54
amazing - a rangers thread where posting is allowed - fear not though taleban on the horizon and we all know what fun loving munchkins they are - shut by 1pm if we're lucky.

Murray is far from perfect but fare served up on pitch & transfer policy is not his fault. It could be worse - we could have the former right honourable Dr Reid at the helm.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:41:39
#44 - Rangers worth £100-120 million - lira perhaps - some fecking businessman you are
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/08/2008 08:48:25
once again anything written remotely positive about Rangers must be lies. Why cant the celtic fans just go and read their own wee celtic view and give us peace.

As for the piece itself its very interesting and coupled with the transfer moves afoot I think we're in for a very interesting season.

have a nice day.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:53:35
#47 - 48

£120 mill for business inherently strangled by playing in SPL is excessive - if Murray got £50 he'd be laughing.

Always amused by people coming onto anonymous internet forums spouting how succesful and wealthy they are in "real" life.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:56:49
#50 - You're proud of the good doctor - i won't act like Sellik Taleban and get thread shut but i couldn't think of anyone worse - irrespective of his business acumen or not

#51 - "Lira is not a currency" - really - news to me!
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:05:10
#55 - Doing nicely during present economic gloom - Other than drug dealer what basic necessities are you purveying?

Giro books & shellsuits at Darkheid?

I'm personally screwed - i invested all my cash in eyebrow trimmers and set up a stall for Celtic fans
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Terminal Cheesecake,

Ayrshire 17/08/2008 09:15:00
A quite unbelievable article............literally.

#23 "he criticises murray but it was murray who funded most of the wages of the likes of laudrup and gascoigne out of his own pocket, hen he moans when murray doesnt want to do it anymore"

Oh right it was Murray who funded Rangers out of his own pocket back then. I see. So, er, where did the money you, I and the rest of the support put in to the club go to then?
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 09:19:18
This piece is written so poorly that it is understandable why the author wishes to remain anonymous. It also demonstrates why David Edgar of the RST was perfectly correct in his criticism of the way the Rangers FC has been run over the past few years.

In reality, Edgar’s points are unassailable. How can Sir David Murray be as dedicated in running Rangers as he was in the 90s when he has been trying to get shot of it for at least 3 years and contestably longer?

Murray only ever appears when HE is being criticised. As this article demonstrates, he has press poodles and lapdogs at his beck and call. He is simply not interested in defending Rangers from the tsunami of black propaganda thrown at the club from Celtic-minded hacks in the Scottish media and from so-called ‘anti-sectarianism’ groups. It is this factor more than any other that rankles with a significant element of the Rangers support.

In one respect, though, the piece above is correct. Many of Rangers’ recent problems have not stemmed from Sir David directly, but have been the responsibility of poor decision-making by Martin Bain and Walter Smith. The bottom line, though, is that the buck stops at the top and he is ultimately responsible for those employed at Ibrox. It is noticeable, for instance, that the recent incoming transfers – far too late in terms of European progress, of course – were carried out with remarkably more alacrity than the long-drawn out sagas we have become familiar with over recent years.

Indeed, one is tempted to suggest that David Edgar’s remarks on radio the other night were just the kick in the backside needed at Ibrox.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:31:38
#59 - Warren buffet - why the need to put details of your herculean business acumen on an anonymous forum - in any event you thought you had a realistic shot at Deco FFS.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:40:35
#58 - I agree with just about all of that but just wish Edgar would shut his gob for once - people like that are always the same and start to believe their own hype and enjoy their moment in the spotlight
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 09:41:56
#33, the pundit

"he invested the money to keep us ahead and he improved the stadium to increase our income to sign better players

when i think of rangers legends the first name that comes to my head is murray, then smith, then mccoist"


You appear to be one of those Rangers fans who is very poorly briefed on both the club’s history and the financial background.

The vast majority of the stadium improvements at Ibrox were put in place by the Rangers Boards of the 70s – not by Murray.

Sir David also did not pay for the likes of Laudrup and Gascoigne (as you said in an earlier post) from his own pocket – this money came from ticket sales and other such revenue.

The bulk of SDM’s investment in the club essentially took place far more recently when he had to eliminate most of the massive debt or face the prospect of being responsible for Rangers’ bankruptcy. It should also be pointed out that should his gamble in the late 90s by sanctioning unsustainable levels of spending in an attempt to gain success in Europe or entry to the EPL have paid off, his shares in the club would be worth several hundreds of millions.

In other words, he stood to gain – or thought he did – from the financial recklessness of the past.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:43:00
#61 - brilliant - do you get a des o'connor showcasing you've got a "first class honours" degree. Heres' a pfennig buy a clue.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:45:09
#63 - not a murray sycophant myself but none of us complained at the time about his "reckless spending". I think you're being needlessley harsh
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:49:51
#67 - Succesful people - on an anonymous internet forum at 10 on a Sunday morning - astounding levels of delusional grandeur.
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 10:01:06
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SDM was asked at two AGMs in the late 90s about the club’s spending. He dismissed such questions as ‘negative’ and that it would be ‘totally irresponsible’ of him to mire the club in more than 50 mill of debt. At the beginning of 2000, in an article in the Herald he claimed that others were going to invest hugely in the club, although, of course, this never transpired.

Let’s be perfectly clear about this – what Murray did was completely reckless and if he were a CEO rather than the club’s effective owner he would have been fired.

Only a handful of articles (usually in the business pages of the Sundays) have ever appeared in the Scottish press examining this appalling example of financial mismanagement. There has been no analysis whatsoever in the tabloids.
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Wee Fred,

17/08/2008 10:02:49
David Edgar must go.


He doesnt speak for me.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:03:49
#70 - who's asking you about your true identity? - the whole premise about internet forums is that posters remain anonymous. In light of the latter why feel the need to give us a highlight reel of your achievments (1st class honours - Steven hawking has nothing on you) as if we're supposed to be impressed - for all we know you're probably another giro collector like the rest of the unenlightened ones
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17/08/2008 10:07:29
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17/08/2008 10:09:40
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17/08/2008 10:10:18
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:14:17
#72 - i've attended numerous agm's over the years and during 9 in a row sequence it was unquestionably a love in with ringmaster Findlay holding court. We've all got degrees in hindsight (not first class obviously like Einstein elsewhere on the thread) but if he'd been cautious as he probably should have been then he'd have been castigated as being unambitious. Football clubs , with some exceptions, tend not to follow conventional financial logic. Look at Liverpool where Benitez has the a*se as the owners won't fund the purchase of Gareth Barry despite him wasting many millions buying utter keek - torres aside obviously.

Kaunas was lowest point (akin to Levski in '91 i think) but yesterday was better and our need for a midfield seems finally to be dawning on Smith. Don't see the point in witchhunt against Murray when there isn't exactly a rush of would be suitors for his stake.

Got to get behind the team and persoanlly speaking (as bitter and twisted) i'll settle for being better than the peasants from Giroland
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17/08/2008 10:15:44
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:16:16
#76 - perhaps i will - any chance of a tap from your bottomless pit?

£50 mill obviously
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:17:18
#79 - "I haven't given you a highlight reel of my achievements. If I did you'd be astounded"

Beyond parody!
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wuggles,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 10:19:43

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'Everything was agreed. We came within a few hours of selling the club'


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SO THERE they were, a year ago in a London hotel, Sir David Murray, his right-hand man Donald Wilson and his football man Martin Bain on one side of the table and the new buyers of Rangers Football Club on the other. Not a lot to be said now. Not a lot of money talk, not a lot of legals. Two months in the making, the transfer of ownership of one of the great institutions of the British game was close to completion. "It's true, we came within a few hours of selling the club," said Mu
"We were all ready to go. Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality. Everything was pretty much agreed and then I said, 'Look, gentleman, before we do this, can you tell me how you're going to run this club?'. I'm sitting the
re with all the legal documents in front of me and they outline their plans, 'We'll carve this up and we'll sell that off' and after a while I said 'Enough, we're not doing the deal'.

What a hard necked git Murray is.

Tell me Sir David,what is left of the club to 'carve up and sell of?"

You have done a pretty good job on that front already.

Doesn't like personal challenges our Sir David, does he?
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Scotland Uber Unionists,

17/08/2008 10:24:55
Timothy. (all of you) F off back to your skips you detestable, pious bawbags.

This Rangers side is going to be infinitely better than last seasons and you're worried.
73

Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:32:41
#83 - Let him stay - any individual unaware of their own idiocy of that magnitude should be welcomed - its entertainment on a sunday morning!
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17/08/2008 10:35:24
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Spin City,

London 17/08/2008 10:38:13
#the pundit
With 'supporters' like you who needs tims..?

What about the £40m from Joe Lewis, The £30m from ENIC, the £30m - from Nike was it? Not to mention the hundreds of millions over the years in Ticketing and Merchandise from US..?

Yet we STILL end up over £100m in debt...?? So how much money did Murray put in from his own pocket then..??

By the way - OUR money built the Stadium before Murray arrived on the scene. Rangers Pools provided the money for the Stadium, not to mention the Rangers Bond and the Buy a Brick scheme. I'm guessing you've been a Rangers fan for about 5 mins if you think Murray did it on his own.

You are a brainwashed fool....
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:42:21
#85 - Countries to run, minions to order, first class hnours degrees to attain etc etc

Cheered me up no end this morning - just goes to show that money and intelligence do not go hand in hand
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17/08/2008 10:47:30
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jdships,

17/08/2008 10:53:36
As a non OF supporter it is somewhat frightening to see a football club run by an egotist of Murray's calibre .
"Tolerence will not be tolerated " !!!!!!!!
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happysnail,

Stirling 17/08/2008 10:58:00
There are a few points I would like to make, a) isn't it normal business practice to have the lawyers look over the potential buying consortium's business plan, which I would presume would have everything laid out in black and white, the buyers future intentions. b) as a Celtic supporter, it grieves me Rangers are out of Europe, because if I remember correctly, these were always the busiest times for the celtic Stores, when all the opposing teams fans, and even the teams themselves, spent a fortune on merchandise from the Celtic shops.
Another observation, if you swallow that pile of garbage from Murray, you deserve all the grief that is coming to you. You don't have anyone waiting to get you out of the financial hole you are in, and you can boast about the very large squad, but that very large squad have to be paid for, and I haven't heard any mention of the quality of background staff,ie sports science, physiotherapy etc., I would presume that there will have to be cost cutting in other areas, to pay all these players wages.
I am extremely happy with the way my club is being run, and I can see in the figures where the money goes, can you lot say the same.
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:13:10
#85 you continually go on about your educational achievements and that is where you fall down I'm afraid. for someone supposedly as educated as yourself to contribute some of the above comments is rather pathetic. you state earlier you didn't want to divulge more information as it may indeed reveal your identification. Maybe your peter lawell? you certainly come away with the same rhetoric.
lets wait until the end of the season and see who laughs last.
have a nice day
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:16:33
the past couple of weeks has reinforced certain "facts"..rangers fans are not critical enough and murray does have 80% of the media in his pocket..as wee unbiased chick said .."well david apart from being put out of europe you havent done much wrong.!! " you couldnt make it up...xxx
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:16:59
Minty has no respect whatsoever for the rearrangerz fans.

He concocts this story for no reason other than to convince the fans at this difficult time that his heart is in the right place, and , incredibly, most of them seem to believe it.

This story absolutely pongs in terms of timing and content. It is an invention from begining to end and the rearrangerz fans should treat Minty with contempt for serving up such a huge helping of cow dung.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:20:37
also funny ..the default position for the media when rangers sign a player is fantastic..etc..celtic sign loovens and its a case of where will he get a game ..who will be dropped etc etc..sad really xxx
ps mendes looks a good signing and lafferty looks quite good...
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 11:23:01
As I thought when this thread appeared the dims are loving it.
I'm glad to see the bears are being more positive.
SDM is now getting criticised for the interview but he was being slagged for saying nothing a couple of weeks ago.
Lafferty, Velicka, Miller, Mendes, Edu,Davis and Niguez.
Nice one Mr Murray.
Now the buck stops with Sir Walter.
Someone said our scouting needs looked at then criticised Rangers for selling Arteta etc.
Forgetting that our scouting found him in the first place.
The futures bright, the future's Red White and Blue.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 11:26:35
#94 Typical slavering rant against celtics arch-enemy.
I have nothing but respect for SDM as have the majority of Rangers fans.
Thank you for out-spending celtic once again.
Thank you for staying for thr long-haul and not doing a Fergus McCann (how much did he bleed out of cfc?)
Thank you for putting Rangers before your family and your other businesses.
There's only one David Murray and I'm glad he's at Ibrox.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:27:10
oh and what an article...spoon fed rubbish which the rangers fans suggesting celtic fans are just slagging for nothing ..do you believe this story..?? although to be fair murray has never been economical with the truth so it must be a fact....love him suggesting it was the "buyers" idea of carving up rangers and selling bits off he found difficult...really ironic..but then gers fans arent too hot on irony..
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:32:03
#96..some potentially good signings in that list..too bad you missed out on loovens...and i would be more worried about the future being red white and blue if you hadnt been saying that for the last 4 years...your club has still sold off your 2 best players oner the last season..but are not a selling club ..titter ye not xxx
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:38:50
Minty wants out of Ibrox....let's be clear about that.

In fact Minty has been wanting out of ibrox for a lot more than the four years he's been prepared to admit to.

Minty liked it when things were going well during 9 in a row, when Celtic were penniless and he could attract players like Gasgoine and Laudrup.

Then along came Fergus. In the space of just a few years, Celtic were challenging again, and stopped what would have been 10 in a row.

Then Minty decided to fight back. He sacked Walter, brought in Advocaat and plunged the club into £85m worth of debt....but it didn't work...those heady days of dominance were gone, and despite collosal investment, Minty couldn't bring them back.

Minty wanted out from the moment he had to sack Advocaat and sign a cheque for £50m to keep the baillifs out of Ibrox.
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tomislav,

Serbian Loyal 17/08/2008 11:40:31
Just a thought, I would be interested to know if Cuellar has a similar clause in his Aston Villa contract
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:41:17
ive to laugh at you soap dodgers you wouldnt know the truth if it bit you on the ass ,erm could you tell me what happened to the tour celtic were going on end of last season when they dint want the season extended eh .. lies and deception lol you tims are so pathetic one time u go around with this big chip on your shoulders saying ohh everybody is against us lol now you think everybody likes you ..yeah only the catholic countries do cause your like s.it flies round the neck of a bottle
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:44:09
#102 ah trueblue a timely reminder of why these threads get closed..ill try one question do you believe murrays story ? if you do you deserve sympathy rather than scorn xxx
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:44:21
Helter Skelter baillifs your in dream land m8 only septic got into that state or are you another one with a small brain cell thats why murrays doing what hes doing now so that wont happen go back to bed son and cuddle ya mum
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:45:03
102

The league WAS extended to accomodate the rearrangerz third consecutive unsuccessful title challenge.

But one league extension wasn't enough fur ra rearrangerz....they wanted another one, and if they got two, they'd have wanted three.

That's why we call them 'the rearrangerz'.
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:48:01
yeah i believe it you just sit there and wind people up if u dont like what i say then f::k off you seem to think its ok for morons like you to sit there and talk alot of cr.p go and annoy someone else im sure thgers ome manky celtic site wholl appreciate your moronic comments
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:48:23
you still never answer what i said what happened to the tour
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Armo,

17/08/2008 11:48:53
"You get the feeling, though, that some of these detractors would like to see us lose because they think some white knight is going to come over the hill with a sword."


Im sure they would prefer a wee Dutch guy on a white horse but hey that's close enough.

No mention of the new 700 million stadium in this article. Surely the journalist should have remembered to ask about that?

WINALOT
WATP
ETC, ETC.....
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:50:00
ill leave you talking to your self have anice day .........not
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trueblue,

17/08/2008 11:50:11
moron
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:54:31
Lawell was quite correct to highlight the implications that allowing the rearrangerz a second league extension would have for the integrity of the league.

And he kept a dignified silence to Walter's rather unseemly, inarticulate rant. Perversely, one day we would read in the papers of Bainochio's angry denials that rearrangerz had even asked for an extension, then on another day, Minty was telling us that workers in paddy fields in China couldn't stop laughing at the spl's decision not to allow a second extension to the league schedule.

Minty was backed by Dick Advocaat who had just come back from a holiday in Bejing.