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Axe hovers over Scottish rugby cup as value comes into question



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Published Date: 25 March 2008
THE possibility of scrapping the Scottish rugby cup has come under consideration at a high level forum with further discussions planned which might also lead to league re-organisations, a top clubs' official confirmed today.
Gavin Garden, secretary of the Scottish Premier Clubs Association, was responding to remarks by Hawick president Terence Froud that a national knock-out cup was expensive to run and no longer serves a worthwhile purpose.

"We discussed this briefl
y last week," said Garden. "(It was agreed] individuals and clubs who have specific ideas should circulate them and if there is going to be take-up we will consider accordingly."

Momentum for change to a knock-out event which started in 1996 appears to lie in the Borders. "The Borders clubs are not happy about travelling, poor crowds and lack of revenue. I expect we will want to have a good look at this for following seasons," added Garden, although he ruled out axing the Cup for next season.

While the Cup may be the main focus of dissent – "we may well have reached the stage where there may need to streamlining along the lines of separate tournaments for Premiership and National League clubs," said Garden – further upheaval in league rugby cannot be ruled out. His main concern is the disruption that now occurs annually in the second half of each season.

"We really need to build our programme around league matches and with cup ties occurring in the second half for Premiership teams there can be too many blank weekends. League matches are bread-and-butter and everything should be built around them.

"There have been various sizes of league and when we had ten team leagues over by Christmas in 2006-07 had it not been for experimental laws there would have been minimal interest in the Super Cup which filled in afterwards.

"It is probably time for a fresh look at the Cup to be a priority."

Dundee High official Garden is, however, confident solutions will be found even for next season when Christmas and New Year holidays fall close enough to weekends to cause fixture problems while Scotland have six internationals at home.

"We are pushing to get everything in," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 25 March 2008 10:35 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Keyser Soze,

25/03/2008 13:50:47
Just another example of chippy Borderers. They no longer have the talent pools so they've decided to try and quit before they embarass themselves with year after year of poor showings.

All they are doing by this is highlighting their own self-interest. Surprise surprise.
2

IaininSelkirk,

edinburgh this week 25/03/2008 14:38:02
#1 Keyser snooze.
If you cared to take a closer look you would find that they do in fact have the talent pools but simply lack the resources (money) & the industries to retain them - hence the numbers of Borderers now playing in the city.
Take some time to have a look & see how many Borders clubs are still involved in the cup & also compare the attendance numbers over the years since inception. Maybe it will enlighten you as to what those "chippy Borderers" contribute to the competition year on year.
3

IaininSelkirk,

edinburgh this week 25/03/2008 14:49:28
#1 keyser snooze
P.S. - forgot to mention the fact that Borders teams also have the more serious matter of the Borders League to contend with.
4

Keyser Soze,

25/03/2008 14:57:21
I suppose they will want a Borders cup as a replacement to go alongside the Borders league? Well whoopee. A chance for one of you each year to talk about how great you are not realising you are merely the most polished turd. Maybe you should eat some humble pie and realise what a joke you've become.

The Scottish cup is about Scottish rugby. The Borders teams need to remain involved in that whether they like it or not. Cant afford it? Absolute rubbish. I suppose they travel by horse and cart up to Edinburgh, Glasgow et al for their league fixtures as they cant afford a coach? Chippy, chippy, chippy.
5

IaininSelkirk,

edinburyugh 25/03/2008 15:17:41
#4 EyesorNoze.
Who is the chippy one now?
"The Scottish cup is about Scottish rugby" - is that why the sru didnt't even bother to post the cup final date on their website until it was pointed out to them yesterday or hadn't you noticed that either?
As I said snooze, take some time (it might take you a while) to look at the facts before.........
6

Sports Insider,

25/03/2008 15:32:42
The National Cup was regionalised this season to pacify the Border Clubs who threatened to pull out if they had to travel as far afield as Glasgow or, heaven forbid, Aberdeen.

If the Border Clubs can't be arsxd travelling, they don't have to participate in the National Cup. All it takes is a letter to Murrayfield at the start of the season. (I assume the cost of a stamp is still within their finacial means)

Maybe the city clubs could send a similar letter when the sevens invites come out next year and let's see how the Borders sevens circuit survives by having only border clubs taking part each week.
7

J.A.,

25/03/2008 15:57:29
“Gavin Garden, secretary of the Scottish Premier Clubs Association, was responding to remarks by Hawick president Terence Froud that a national knock-out cup was expensive to run and no longer serves a worthwhile purpose.”
One man responding to the thoughts of one other man. Hardly the viewpoint of a whole region.
I think “Keyser Soze” is the one with the problem and to suggest that the Borders no longer has the talent pools is quite ridiculous. Perhaps he should stick to what he knows, that should leave him plenty of free time for a bit of research.
8

Borders Realist.,

25/03/2008 21:42:22
No longer serves a worthwhile purpose??
Tell that to Dumfries,Moray and Aberdeen who all enjoyed their home ties against the mighty Hawick and whose players will remember it for the rest of their lives.
Perhaps the secondary shield,bowl and plate could be scrapped though.Keep the romance and bin the rest,oh and move the final to a ground where theres an atmosphere worthy of a final.
9

IaininSelkirk,

25/03/2008 22:23:17
#4 Keyser Soze
Anyway what's wrong with the horse and cart? I see Edinburgh are reverting back to the tram - at great expense - or maybe you didn't notice that either. You'd do well just to sit there quietly and carry on polishing our turds - mine looks fine now thanks.

#6 Sports insider
What would the city clubs find to do during the Borders sevens circuit? I suppose they could come along and spectate!
10

royco,

26/03/2008 00:47:33
The Hawick chairman's view is surely a sympton of a deeper malaise though.

The clubs have very little income because they get very little cash from the SRU's £26m income now. They have to think about income first.

The SRU's travel scheme doesn't even kick in on round trips of less than 200 miles or something like that, so travel is a very heavy cost for clubs.

Both of these need changed pronto. There is more than enough cash in the pot to arrange a fairer deal for clubs, which would mean they didn't have to make very hard choices between playing some matches and not others.

The Borders clubs are not alone in this, all clubs outside the central valley, and a lot within, are struggling with the cash/travel/survival equation. Come on SRU, let's see some positive thinking and sensible action here on the money side.
11

inoui,

Bangkok 26/03/2008 07:01:43
Got to be in it to make it have a better profile, revenues etc will follow. The real problems stem from the SRU.
12

ivor biggin,

borders 26/03/2008 08:12:08
#chippy....the borders still has the best pools of players..especialy Hawick,there are 11 hawick born and bred players playing pro rugby at the moment..i's like to see another club in scotland that have that many home grown players doing that..
13

Dave58,

Aberdeen 26/03/2008 12:21:49
Maybe we should just consult with the Hawick committee on the “acceptable distance to travel” for all future Scottish Rugby competitions. Maybe we could relocate Ellon, Aberdeen Grammar and Dundee HSFP to locations more suitable for Hawick to reach.

What the Hawick’s of this world forget is the fact that the afore mentioned clubs travel huge distances each year to play their Rugby – and this is not just restricted to the senior side but all levels of the club have to travel. Had these clubs complained about travelling for cup games their opinions would carry more credibility.

It’s OK for Caledonian sides to have to travel to Caithness, Inverness and Orkney, but don’t ask our Hawick cousins to go further than Glasgow.
14

IaininSelkirk,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 12:41:16
#13 Dave58
I think you're missing the point here. Note #10 royco's posting - you may also want to have a look at www.savescottishrugby.com.

"We discussed this briefly last week," said Garden. "(It was agreed] individuals and clubs who have specific ideas should circulate them and if there is going to be take-up we will consider accordingly."

Maybe it is only the Borders clubs who are thinking on their feet and willing to circulate ideas that might stimulate something or someone (sru) into action. Better that than sitting polishing turds!
15

Westcoaster,

perth 26/03/2008 16:39:16
Dave58 what have you got against our hawick cousins? Is cousin slang for wife?
16

SKEEDLE,

Hawick 26/03/2008 17:43:24
No6. Right enough everyone flocks to the Borders sevens to watch the city sides play NOT. The sevens are a big day out for the Borders folk and for anyone else who CARES enough to come and support their team.
No13 If you read these pages you'll realise Mr Froud and his pal Mr Barnes like a WEE rant every now and then and am SURE FROUDY DISNI represent the views of the whole of Hawick.
17

JBA,

26/03/2008 19:41:05
We all know the problem is the high heid yins at the SRU, so why do the clubs not kick their butts out of Murrayfield and vote in some ambitious and forward thinkers.

 

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