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Published Date: 19 November 2008
SCOTLAND coach Frank Hadden made four changes to the team that lost to South Africa for the final Bank of Scotland Corporate Autumn Test with Canada this weekend, but insisted that he had kept the core of the side together in a determined bid to grasp the victory that has so far eluded them.
Scotland must win to keep alive hopes of leap-frogging Ireland into the top eight seeds for next month's World Cup draw, should Argentina defeat the Irish on Saturday. But the Scotland coaches have also taken the opportunity provided by injuries to reward Scotland 'A' talents and fringe players disappointed not to have featured against New Zealand and South Africa.

In comes Aberdeen-born wing Nikki Walker for Scotland's first full Test match at Pittodrie, along with Simon Webster from the 'A' team for the injured Thom Evans and Chris Paterson. Alasdair Strokosch replaces a third injury victim, Jason White, at blindside flanker – White's wife is also due to give birth today and so he has left the squad – while Simon Taylor, who has recovered from a calf strain, returns for Allister Hogg at No8.

Instead of sticking with Hugo Southwell, who played well after replacing Paterson just ten minutes into the Test with the Springboks, Hadden has shifted Rory Lamont from wing to full-back and handed uncapped Glasgow centre Max Evans the spot on the bench covering the outside back berths.

In sticking with the spine of the team, the coaches have kept Phil Godman at stand-off to further develop the new game-style which tries to offer more attacking threat in the side.

In that context, this Test match is vital. A failure to add a finish against a side ranked six places below them in the world would be altogether more worrying than was the case against the world's top two.

Dan Parks remains on the bench with Hadden insisting that both fly-halves are working hard on their kicking practise this week, with Paterson absent, with an improvement demanded this weekend.

Hadden admitted that dropping Hogg and Southwell out of the 22 had been "very tough" decisions, but explained that Taylor was always going to return when fit and that he wanted to see more of Scott Gray, and felt the Northampton flanker had more impact potential as a second-half substitute.

Similarly, the Evans call-up was based on wanting to see what the burgeoning talent was capable of at Test level. The coach stated: "We've put last weekend to bed with a very exhaustive de-brief. There was some honest talking; of course there were a lot of positives to be taken, but there were aspects of the game we weren't happy with and we know we have to improve on if we are going to be the team we think we can be.

"We have freshened up the side a bit, but kept the front five and midfield very much intact. The front five have earned the right to stay together, and it's important that they grow together as a unit because we think they could do a fair bit of damage in the Six Nations. They will be under pressure (after big back-to-back Tests], but we're keen to put them under pressure.

"The set-piece is a work in progress; the scrummage has done particularly well, but the lineout should be better for the extra week's preparation.

"It's also been tough for the centres (Nick de Luca and Ben Cairns] up against the best two midfields in the world and I think they have acquitted themselves well. I expect them now to kick on from that experience and really prove that they're capable of playing consistently at this level irrespective of the opposition."

While the selection will inevitably disappoint individuals – Kelly Brown, the Glasgow flanker, could be particularly aggrieved at not featuring at all this month – there is much merit in the decisions to call Strokosch back into the side after the controversial decision to promote White without much game-time, restore in-form Ospreys wing Walker and see the exciting Evans at the next level.

On Strokosch, Hadden said: "Al gets an opportunity to prove the selectors wrong. I don't know if Al is an angry man, but he's a pretty desperate man.

"He was very unlucky to be left out in the first place, and we're expecting a big performance from him on Saturday. As usual, it's a balancing act trying to get the selection right. We're fully aware that we have to win this weekend from a rankings situation, although that's ultimately out of our hands.

"It's also a last opportunity prior to the Six Nations, where we fully intend to make a real impact with the depth and competitiveness we've got in the squad."

The SRU reported that ticket sales were yesterday close to 16,000, with a capacity of 20,500 at Pittodrie this weekend, but the appearance of 'A' team try-scorers such as Walker, Webster and the older Evans brother, Max, should help lift expectations.

Evans admitted: "To hear my name in the line-up with the other guys was just brilliant, and now I just hope I can take my opportunity if I get it. It's a shame Thom's not involved this weekend, but I'm sure there will come a time when we play together – it will be a bit like a role reversal for him coming to watch me this weekend.

"Frank (Hadden] was really considerate to speak to me before the New Zealand game, to tell me how close selection was for that game, so I knew I was close and just went out on Friday night (with the 'A' team] and just tried to give it everything.

"I was delighted with the try, but on video it looks easier than it did when I scored it; it looks like everyone was just sliding off me, but it didn't feel like that at the time!

"But I love scoring and getting the ball in a bit of space is what I thrive on. I can't wait to get that chance for Scotland if I get on this weekend."

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  • Last Updated: 19 November 2008 8:46 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
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1

Sandy Sahara,

Sahara 19/11/2008 02:32:21
To continue the Parks (and Godman)debate..... Mike Blair to stand off. If Michalak can do it so can Blair. We have plenty of scrum halves. Do it while he is still young enough to adapt and not leave it too late like they did with Paterson.
2

Lone-eye,

19/11/2008 08:21:28
Keep Blair at 9. This is a no-brainer, the best player surely has to play in his preferred position. Michalak can't do it; that's why he'll be 3rd choice stand-off at Toulouse this year.
Good to see Strokosch back, although this is two games too late.
Fingers crossed Argentina pull it off!
3

thistle do,

here n' there 19/11/2008 09:10:02
Seems like a lot of posh boys in the team now. Does Hadden like the accents? Only private school boys need apply.
4

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 09:10:58
The seeding makes no difference... sods law dictates we will end up in the same group as Ireland whether we are seeded 8 or 9 ;o)
5

Lederblix,

aviemore 19/11/2008 09:39:50
'Dan Parks remains on the bench with Hadden insisting that both fly-halves are working hard on their kicking practise this week, with Paterson absent, with an improvement demanded this weekend.'
Mossy reached his high standard of place kicking by sheer hard work - specialist coaching plus practice, practice and more practice - even when his team mates had gone for a pint - a true professional. Shouldn't all professional 10s do this without waiting until they fail their team and have to do a sort of panic catch-up?

6

Stoobing,

London 19/11/2008 09:43:18
Why on earth was Strokosch left out? I thought it was some agreement with Gloucs to let him stay during the autumn matches, astonished it was the selectors choice. Strokosch should be a Lion next year, and we need that kind of focussed agression, especially as White seems to have lost any mobility he had.

The Blair to stand off idea is good, but too late now. Cusiter and Blair would be a cracking unit, but should have been tried two years ago.
7

MM,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 10:24:20
#3 would you like some salt and vinegar to go with that chip on your shoulder?
8

jdships,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 10:33:49
3 thistle do,

Big YAWN !
Try and get out more - please !
9

Mutt,

Close to the fence but not on it... 19/11/2008 10:52:06
Bad News Everybody!!!

Contepomi is out of the Argentine squad for Saturday...
10

thistle do,

here n' there 19/11/2008 10:54:37
Thanks #3, chips on both shoulders actually, very well balanced.
The point is we are a small country with a relatively small playing base. Until we can capture and harness playing ability from all sections of the community then I'm afraid we stay where we are. The current trend does not provide enough encouragement/opportunities for kids from less well off backgrounds. There are plenty of kids with ball skills and toughness who should see rugby as a potential career but they know it seems also to depend on other factors.
11

W.Robertson,

19/11/2008 11:00:08
Really fed up with the SRU and Frank's rubbish. We are playing Canada on Saturday and there is little to relish in getting a win over such a team. We might as well play against Heriots.

Poor man management again by Frank, playing Lamont instead of Southwell who was one of our best players last week is a bit of a slap in the face as is dropping Ali Hogg. Still, guess family comes first when it comes to the Lamonts! Again, why was Strokosh left out?! Why is Parks making another appearance - any other player who performed like that would have been dropped? Surely it's time to try something else.

This Scotland team would get eaten alive against any decent side (our back three have minimal rugby brain and more like the muppets on steroids!), lucky for them its only Canada so they may come off looking good and dearest Frank can gloat with our tries.

Not to drum on, but when is Frank going to go?! The man just doesn't get it.



12

J.A.,

Gala 19/11/2008 11:10:20
#1 Blair should be kept at 9 as he is world class in that position. I remember Gary Armstrong deciding to move to 10 at one point early in his international career. Needless to say, it was not a success.
#10 you make a very good point. If rugby is to be popular amongst the masses, we have to shake off the posh boy image.
13

nhunter,

Cheltenham 19/11/2008 11:19:33
3 - THistle do - there's a reason for that - the chav's from the estate would pretend to be all tough, and then would get a shoeing if they tried to play the sport. They'd fall over if they get within 20ft of each other and then kiss each other when they score. That's why chav's have their own sport. It's called wendyball. The chav's can stay there, and leave rugby to people who can speak without saying "innit" or "you lookin' at my bird" every 5 seconds.

I had a chav cone up to me once at the bar and ask me the latter question. I pointed out the woman I was with (sitting at another table) and asked why the hell I would be looking at HIS woman. It failed to diffuse the situation, but was fun to see his face when he realised I was more than mouth.
14

John south of Soutra,

19/11/2008 11:24:45
#13 aren't you the great big hard man.
#12 is correct until we shake off the posh boy image we won't increase the numbers playing or the popularity
15

J.A.,

Gala 19/11/2008 11:27:54
Plenty guys from estates down where I stay have made bloody good rugby players.
You should get out of your bubble more often.
16

Diehard Braveheart,

London 19/11/2008 11:34:25
#3 Thistle Do,
What on earth are you going on about?
Go and get your football along with your McCain oven CHIP.
It is people like you that make it so difficult to get the youngsters in the state schools to play rugby.
There are absolutely no class issues in rugby so stop creating problems where there are none.
Pathetic.
17

Mike D W,

19/11/2008 11:46:38
#13 nhunter. Terrible post. Reckon you will be a bit ashamed of yourself when you read it again.

#10 thistle do. You are correct that we have to expand the popularity of rugby into the wider community. In fact, many clubs already do. Your post #3 is almost as bad as #13. Jacobsen, Ford, Strokosch, Walker are hardly posh boys.

The balancing act is not to weaken the private schools contribution to rugby, but to build up the strength of the state schools . There is lots of effort going into this throughout Scotland, but it takes time to see the fruits of this.

Or are you suggesting a South Africa style quota system in favour of state school educated players?
18

OZ & Gloz,

Leeds 19/11/2008 12:11:13
Hey #11 You are absolutely SPOT ON man.
19

Cave!,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 12:23:08
#3 and #10 - Please try to refrain from class comments and discuss selection. There is ample opportunity to vent class spleen on the articles regarding the television programme "Pride & Privilege" about Glenalmond College which was aired last night.

It can hardly be said that Hadden has always showed favouritism to private school boys such as Ross and Godman by playing them at 10 ahead of Dan Parks who only has 47 caps.

By way of interest, in the modern era Glenalmond has produced a number of internationals - David Leslie, David Sole, Ian Morrison, Rob Wainwright, Dougie Hall and Ander Munro (Canadian fly-half) - none of whom I imagine have ever been selected due to having been educated there.
20

Fluffy bunnies and rugby ballls,

19/11/2008 13:01:06
It would be brilliant if state schools taught more rugby, but apparenly a so-called 'lack of interest' is thrown at you when you question it. My sis tried to get my nephew into it, but could only use a local rugby club which would only take kids on of a certain age.

I have to say though, on the subject of class, I've never once witnessed this kind of snobbishness at a rugby match. Everybody seems to be having a good time.
21

Mike D W,

19/11/2008 13:10:27
#19 Good point

On selection for the Canada game. Delighted that Scotland have not messed about with the team from the last 2 games too much. The team has begun to look reasonably settled and after 2 hard games where they have competed well they deserve the chance to reap the rewards of their hard work with a win over Canada.

However, we should also remember that these games are a warm-up for the 6N. Therefore, giving Taylor game time is justifiable. Hogg has done well and hopefully Taylor will rise to the challenge. Same goes for Strokosch. He has the chance to show what he can do.

The changes to the back three are more injury enforced than tactical. When you consider that this is a totally different 3 from the NZ game then it does show that we have some options in this area of the pitch.

I would have thought that some more of the bench places might have been changed to give others a run. Hogg or Brown in for Scott Gray as they can cover for No. 8. Maybe McMillan for Lawson.

The Parks question. There just is no-one else vying for this spot just now. Gordon Ross needs to be playing regularly, David Blair plays more P1 than ML. So who else is there?
22

Old Cartha Boy,

19/11/2008 14:00:00
#11 - hear hear!

Hogg and Southwell have a right to feel well cheesed off. Taylor acts the big man but is way short of match fitness. He is injury prone and will not last the game. I'd have put Strokosh in irrespective of White's injury/impending fatherhood.
23

MT,

19/11/2008 15:18:06
I dont know about you lads, but a nothing less than a complete anhilation of the Canadians will be satisfactory this weekend. I expect Scotland to win by at least 30 points, but by 50 would be ideal.
24

Mike D W,

19/11/2008 16:05:22
#23

Sorry MT, but it is that sort of statement and those sort of unrealistic ambitions which really annoy me.

Canada were only beaten 34-13 by Wales.

What we require against Canada is further improvement on the last two performances to include more attacking play with better decision making at crucial points.

Hopefully, this will lead to scoring tries out wide instead of relying on short yardage scores.

However, a win of any kind is the most important thing.

Now taking the weather forecast into consideration, we might have to play power forward, up the jumper stuff and grind out the win.

So, with all due respect, keep the annihilation, or even anhilation, predictions to yourself.
25

La barrière de Senlis,

France 19/11/2008 16:52:45
#11
Go to support your Team/Country there are still SEATS available instead of moaning.
Scotland try to play a good Rugby and people have had complain for years and still do.

SRU, SRU, SRU... ok that's fine!
Some guys like Bates did a good job without resources, Lineen and Robinson and others working hard to keep the head out of the water.

One of the way to help Scotland is to fill up the stadiums especially when they the 2 tops sides of the world, and unfortunately it was not the case.

The team needs a big lively crowd.
Yes, the professionnal game needs money.
26

W.Robertson,

19/11/2008 16:53:39
Sorry, but I have to agree with #11. Anything short of a complete thumping by us is pretty much unacceptable. We can hardly consider ourselves world beaters by winning against Canada. Hadden and the SRU will use this win and any tries we get as a "turning point" for Scottish Rugby which will be an complete embarresment. I honestly think one of our club sides would more challenging.

It seems like Hadden is using this game to see what players can do. Is that not what training is for? I always thought that unless injured you pick on performance/form both on Club and International levels. Hadden can't get this basic concept. Southwell and Hogg should be playing this weekend after their performance last week as Strokosh should have been playing instead of White since the beginning. You can't hand out token caps. What has Webster done this season to be playing in this game?

Also, Patterson is not injured, he has a black eye, so why is he not playing after last weeks ridiculous kicking performance?!

This really irritates me...
27

W.Robertson,

19/11/2008 16:59:23
#25

I do support my country and I support the boys that play for Scotland and I always get myself to home games (unlike thousands who boo certain players). I wouldn't say for a second that our boys don't try or care, I think they do. I think the management of the team is awful and after three years with Hadden, nothing has changed. Surely this indicates that his inconsistent selection policies, favouritisms and coaching abilities are not sufficient to run a National team.
28

Mike D W,

19/11/2008 17:19:29
#26 Why would we ever consider ourselves World beaters?

Your rather dismissive attitude towards Canada is, quite frankly, appalling. Your earlier comparison of them being on the same level as Heriots is ignorant and insulting.

Scotland have been rubbish for years now. We are beginning (only just) to turn the corner and now we are going to thump Canada.

My I remind you - Wales 34 Canada 13

And Wales have been way better than Scotland over the past few seasons.

Please get a grip!
29

La barrière de Senlis,

France 19/11/2008 18:09:48
#28
I agree
#26
"It seems like Hadden is using this game to see what players can do. Is that not what training is for? "

Training and be involved in a test game is not the same
30

W.Robertson,

19/11/2008 18:47:53
I'm sorry Mike D W, what corner are we turning exactly?!

Once again, you jump on the defensive. I'm assuming you mean it is insulting to Heriots here. Don't be ridiculous, Canada is hardly a threat to any decent rugby team. The fact you are bigging them up only backs my arguement that it is going to be made into a big deal when we beat them. The fact that you argue that Canada is a good rugby team/nation is pretty ignorant in itself and shows the standard of rugby which you think is good - you obviously share the same school of thinking as Hadden!! I hope to see a post from you soon about "the unlucky bounce of the ball" next. Any team can have a good day - look at Portugal in the WC.

As stated previously, I am a huge Scotland rugby supporter but am fed up with "Frank inconsistent selection policies, favouritisms and coaching abilities which are not sufficient to run a National team".
31

AlastairS,

19/11/2008 19:12:21
It is interesting. Before last Saturdays game virually all the blogs were criticising Southwell's inclusion in the squad. Now everyone is criticising the fact he is not in the team. He is an excellent defensive fullback. His kicking is nit as good as people semm to believe and included one complete miskick last week. The problem with him is in attack when he always seems to believe he can get through the defence when he should have moved the ball on or kicking when he should be passing. His performances at 13 for Edinburgh have been poor and it will be interesting to see if he is in the next Edinburgh starting line up (Patterson, Robertson and Webster). Hopefully the game against Canada will seee much more attack than defence and therefore I am not unhappy about his exclusion.
32

W.Robertson,

19/11/2008 19:38:38
"His performance at 13 has been poor "- well done genious, possibly because he's a 15. Go and put Lamont or Patterson at 13 with out any game time and see how well they can play.

33

MT,

19/11/2008 20:43:51
#24 the Reason Wales only won by that margin is because they thought they just had to turn up to win, they admited it themselves after the game. This is something Scotland will not do. Mainly because the last time Scotland played these guys they lost.
If Scotland plays anywhere near as well as they did against the Boks surely it has to be at least a 30 point margin against a team which is ranked 14 places below South Africa.
Furthermore, If I am not mistaken I think this was a largely 2nd Wales team.
34

Ally 1234,

MOTHERWELL 19/11/2008 20:44:26
#25, La Barriere.
I agree that it would be great if we could fill the stadiums.
Why then do the SRU not allow tickets to be bought on the day of the match or sell seats right up to kick off?
There are many reasons that supporters cannot buy in advance. Some of us are no longer young and do not care for the prospect of sitting in the uncovered areas in a gale or a snow storm. Call us fair weather fans if you will, but, we would be there if the weather was reasonable.

As for Saturday's game I would urge all Scotland players to catch the ball before it bounces if you can. We have lost too many points thro an "unlucky" bounce.
35

MT,

19/11/2008 20:44:41
Prediction: Scotland 50 Canada 3
36

The Real Truth,

19/11/2008 21:37:07
The private school argument no longer rings true i'm afraid. Its traditionally a toffs sport and rugby will probably always have that reputation but i really dont think its like that anymore. Look at the Scotland squad, there are plenty of non private school players - Jacobsen, Hogg, Walker, Ford, Strokosh, and other like Ferg Thomson, Mark McMillan etc. Granted, the amount of privately educated players is probably more.

I find it interesting why there is such massive coverage of the bell lawrie schools cup but very little coverage of the national u18 club competition. Especially as in the past, the winners of the club final have usually beaten the schools winner when a chalenge match has been played.

37

GAR,

Dublin 20/11/2008 10:46:12
#31 I am guilty of criticising Southwell.

I think he did well when he came on as a replacement, however he should have prevented the try! If everyone was fit, he would not be in the starting line up and perhaps not on the bench. To be fair, he always gives 100%, is very brave in defence, but perhaps limited in attack.

He has not been helped by being moved around all the time also.
38

Mike D W,

20/11/2008 13:04:57
#30 IMHO, Scotland are improving. Reasons for believing this?

1. Ford & Murray look like 2 parts of a really decent front row. Dickinson might be the guy to make it whole.
2. We are bringing through some exciting backs in Thom and Max Evans, Nick De Luca, Ben Cairns, Rory Lamont.
3. We have made more line breaks in the last 3 or 4 games than we have in the last 3 or 4 years.
4. We have a genuine openside in Barclay and a good understudy in Ross Rennie.

So, yes, I think we are turning a corner. I am optimistic, but realistic about the future.

You on the other hand seem to want to set unrealistic goals. Our biggest win against Canada was 33-8, but you support MT's assertion that a target of 50+ points must be achieved to be satisfactory. In setting unrealistic targets you make it very easy for you to have a go at the team. And you have the temerity to call yourself a ‘supporter’.

Yes, I believe we must win on Saturday. I also believe that the team has to build on the performances against NZ and SA or all their efforts in those games are wasted. This means dominating a powerful Canadian pack, using this platform to create space and, crucially, when the opportunities appear making better decisions in the opposition 22 and thus scoring tries. However, experience tells me that the opposition will be stuffy, they will concentrate on closing down the space and slowing down the ball. Both the weather and the tight pitch will help them. Scotland will have to play well to win this game. It is a big test for them to show that the team is on the right course.

Taking any opposition lightly is a dangerous way to head into a game. As MT points out, Wales admit that they did not give Canada due credit and that is why they struggled to break them down.

Of course, instead of analysing the recent Scottish performances, giving due credit to the opposition (believe me, Heriots are not that good) and taking into account the environment the game is being played in, I

 

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