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Published Date: 04 February 2008
Scotland 6
France 27
HARSH reality caught up with wild optimism yesterday as Scotland's high hopes of success in this season's RBS Six Nations Championship were brought crashing back to earth by French ambition and Scottish indecision.

With Wales stunning England at
Twickenham and Ireland struggling to dispose of Italy in Dublin, many entered Murrayfield believing Scotland had a good chance to bounce back from the wooden spoon of 2007 with a challenge for the title. Painfully, there was even talk of grand slam potential.

Yet, by the final whistle Scotland's failure to exert real control on the game had grown in tandem with France's confidence, the errors of the first half and those of referee Alain Rolland having pushed the French into a position of command they never gave up.

By the hour mark, the solidity of the visitors' set-piece, control of the breakdown and decisiveness in attack would have had many believing this was the team who had played together for the past three years and the fractious Scots, from whom little went right, were the squad featuring six new caps and with barely a week's training behind them.

Dan Parks, the Scots stand-off, set the tone by sending his kick-off straight out, and though he opened the scoring in the third minute with a drop-goal and put in some fine touch-finders, and it was not his fault that ball was slow coming back, he was also complicit in failing to assert control.

The first of Rolland's poor decisions punctured early Scots momentum. Slick French passing just inside the Scottish half sent Vincent Clerc, the right wing, round the Scots defence on the outside. He fed Cedric Heymans and overran his full-back on the inside, but still was fed the ball by his teammate. Rolland missed that, and then ignored Clerc's leap forward two yards in De Luca's tackle to the try-line, awarding the score without recourse to the video technology on offer.

Bizarrely, he did ask the television match official for a ruling on the scrap which followed the try, and the replays showed Andy Henderson was fortunate not to mar his 50th cap with at least a yellow card after using his head to push opposite number Damien Traille. The Scotland centre was warned by Rolland and France restarted with a penalty. It may not be the last we hear of this incident.

Traille extended France's lead with a penalty from halfway, Parks missed a relatively simple penalty – no doubt forcing every Scot to think of Chris Paterson, the dropped goal-kicker – and then the Scots were hit again. Loic Jacquet, the lock, took a quick tap-penalty, typical of France's instinctive play, and fed debutant wing Julien Malzieu, who kicked ahead. Rory Lamont, the Scottish full-back, overran it and Parks sclaffed it up into Malzieu's hands, for an easy score behind the posts. With Jean-Baptiste Elissalde's second conversion the French were 17-3 after just 23 minutes.

Allan Jacobsen, Scotland's loosehead, made a storming break up the park, as the hosts again built promise, but their failure to retain possession was a hugely frustrating and debilitating feature of Scotland's play, and, combined with the work of the outstanding French back row, who slowed ball at will, allowed good work to evaporate.

Parks converted a second penalty when the French were penalised at a scrum on the half-hour mark and then delivered a 60-metre kick to touch five metres from the French line. The Scots also produced a great scrum which drove the French off their own ball but still they could not apply a finish.

France could have been out of sight by the break, but Elissalde missed two penalties, and a quick tap-penalty which ended with Lionel Nallet touching down was pulled back by Rolland, who wasn't ready. The half finished with Henderson pulling an opponent's jersey as he tried to take a quick tap, and was warned again by Rolland.

The Scottish camp required inspiration at half-time, but by then France had shaken off any early nerves and, the inexperienced men growing in stature, seized control of the game. France caught Scotland by surprise again by tightening up on the restart, and with more tight play, pick-and-gos, and an improving lineout and scrum, they effectively closed the door on Scottish attempts to find a way back.

Traille notched the vital first points of the second half with a penalty after successive scrum collapses, and the Scottish defence seemed to slip further back into its shell. Nick De Luca, having marred his debut with defence and tackle errors, showed what he can do in attack with a superb step out of his own 22 and off-load to Lamont. The full-back was almost clean away, but Julien Bonnaire had a hold of his jersey and brought him down. Scrum half Mike Blair was pulled into a ruck when another opening appeared, and the Scots were penalised.

The biggest cheer of the day came on the hour when Paterson was sent on for Parks at stand-off – he was even applauded as he warmed up – while Hugo Southwell replaced Lamont, who went off with a leg injury, which could threaten his chances of facing Wales.

The open nature of the game was set up for Paterson and, taking the ball flatter and running at France, he injected momentum to the final quarter. His side fell further behind, however, whenClerc chipped down the right touchline and gathered from a favourable bounce, which had beaten two defenders and Heymans, for another easy score, earning him the man-of-the-match award.

Paterson almost grabbed a consolation for Scotland, but was held just short of the line, and when Chris Cusiter dived for the line from a ruck, the ball was knocked from his grasp by Nallet's knee. That underlined the Scots' lack of luck, but when sides win they tell you 'we made our own luck'. This was a day when Scotland made and got nothing.



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1

too hoots,

04/02/2008 00:14:00
get george graham sacked, a good pack of forwards in which he is butchering! bring back scott murray to boss the line out, jim hamilton-there is a reason why he is not in the tigers team and his performance summed that up! parks - rubbish, get godman in to intrest the opposition and give henderson, de luca, webster space to work with, as parks eats up all the space by sitting too deep! poor performance
2

Hoop,

Carnoustie 04/02/2008 00:34:06
Forget all the wringing of hands and talk of blind referees. France have been together for less than a week and had four training sessions together - four - before the game. They managed to run faster with the ball than we could without it. They have obviously been given the licence and the confidence to play what's in front of them - not just since their squad came together, but since they started playing rugby.

If we don't get rid of this mentality, fashion, call it what you will, of putting together a 'game plan' that is 'structured' and all the BS that goes with it, we'll be playing this wonderful game not like the French who expressed themselves so well at Murrayfield, but like a third-rate rugby league team which is how we are playing now.

It's awful to see. The way Scotland are playing will not bring children into the game.
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jerrymanders,

Behind the scrum. 04/02/2008 00:48:19
Paterson back to no. 10. All of a sudden we have pace. Only bring Parks on when we need to close a game down (whenever?). Oh, and Paterson can kick when needed.
5

Darryl Matheson,

Elgin, Morayshire 04/02/2008 00:54:02
Why can't anyone see, it's the coach. He is an idiot!
6

Johnny M,

W'ing 04/02/2008 04:26:50
I hope we never get Alain Rolland ever again. He's a muppet.
7

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 05:06:10
'We wuzz robbed' is the (expected) cry.

'A glorious defeat' will be the headlines. The good old Scottish defeatist mentality rears its head again, blaming everyone and everything apart from the fact that they are not good enough.

Flowers of Scotland?? Bunch of weeds, more like.

Mind you, with that dirge to start off the match, it's no wonder they lost.

8

Glasgow Expat,

Desert 04/02/2008 05:23:14
I have been playing and following rugby for 30 years and, having been to the World Cup and witnessed a complete bore fest, for the first time ever I have no interest at all in this competition. Rugby these days has lost its soul and has turned into a sanitised,over hyped, ping pong, one dimensional, over game planned snooze game. Atmosphere at Murrayfield? Like the Italian world cup game, the Scots fans watch in silence and are outsung by the opposition. I'll be watching the paint dry on my walls over the next few weeks for more excitement.
9

calum,

Banchory 04/02/2008 06:42:51
Poor tactics, poor execution, pitiful tackling, iffy officiating but at the end of the day (and I don't usually call for heads) its has to be down to coaching and leadership. The least disrupted of the teams since RWC and we looked like we'ed just met. What have we been doing since RWC on the practice pitches? What was the team talk at half-time - we got worse!!
The problem and the answers is in our own hands. Hadden does not inspire with his methodical and measured approach, the players don't understand it, the fans don't like it, the results don't justify it and we're fed up with it. Let's get some fire in the belly - Lineen? Maybe. Robinson? Why not.
George, what were the forwards practising? Whatever it was, it wasn't lineouts - an utter shambles, poor 2nd and 3rd phase work. Only one or two glimmers of what the forwards should be capable of and we gave up on it.
10

Stuart Gauld,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 06:57:18
It is always interesting how thuggery and violence seems to be sanitised when it is rugby - "Henderson pushed with the head" er, head butted an opponent. What kind of example is this for the many kids there. Hope he is dealt with harshly now the game is over.

Bad game for the Scots - looked like poor tactics to me.
11

Iain fae Elgin,

London 04/02/2008 07:30:50
As long as we continue to beat the French in the game that matters, who cares?
12

LexyT,

Gloucestershire 04/02/2008 07:45:38
Why are we surprised, our boys nearly always underperform. The most worrying thing was they looked clueless, and had no real passion.
13

Sun City,

04/02/2008 08:15:18
Oh dear...the press on the back foot after all confidently forecasting a thumping Scottish win on the back of FH's bluster.
Let's face it FH is an average club coach promoted above his level by a desperate SRU. First season he benefited from the relief of the players that Matt Williams was gone and from his chuminess with the Edinburgh contingent. Now he doesn't have either and as players leave Scotland and they experience different coaches they will realise how average he is. Stand by for Mossy putting the boot in now that he has been left out.
As for yesterday you get what you deserve playing a winger at full back, an ultra conservative no 10,a second row and no8 short on fitness and no no8 cover on the bench.
Having blamed the referee and shape of the ball for this one what will it be in Cardiff...the pitch or the colour of the grass ??
I fear it's going to be a messy campaign.
14

123456789,

EDINBURGH 04/02/2008 08:24:46
POOR!

Hadden should go - he has good players at his disposal and yet he cant train them not to drop the ball constantly.

If he cant get them to stop making stupid mistakes he is the wrong man for the job.

Surely after the world cup he should have taken them back 15 years in there training to begin on the basics!

I was all for Hadden last year thinking that he's not had enough time to settle in to the job but now he has to go!

Paterson should be back at wing or fullback with parks at 10. Without doubt his kicking from hand is too good to leave him out, but is place kicking is no where near the most accurate kicker in International Rugby! Paterson has shown over the last two seasons that given the chance he will put them over. 100% in the RWC shows that!
15

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 04/02/2008 08:37:54
#6 you are almost right, Frank Hadden is a poor coach maybe not an idiot.

Alas I was not surprised @ the performance yesterday, anyone who witnessed last seasons 6 Nations & the Italy & Argentina games (the only 2 world cup games that weren't foregone conclusions) must have had deja vu.

We are clueless

The optimism before the game mainly stemmed from Edinburgh's recent good form, well Edinburgh have a great coach, Scotland haven't.

I could probably rant all day but Hadden seems to be obsessed with weight, Maceold was like a breath of fresh air when he came on.

I think regardless of who plays @ 13 or in the back three the ball more often than not goes through the stand off & the inside centre before it gets out, Parks is a good kicker but isn't a good rugby player, Henderson is solid & brave but again hasn't got the skills necessary to play as an international 12.

The A team coached by messers Robinson & Lineen demolished Italy A.

My team v Wales - Lamont, Danielli, De Luca, Morrison, Evans, Paterson, Blair, Hogg, Barclay, Brown, Maceold, Hines, Kerr, Thompson, Jacobsen - subs Godman, Cairns, Lawson, Stokosch, White, Murray, Ford
16

Doc Martin,

Dundee 04/02/2008 08:49:45
One question: Why does FH keep harping on about wanting to play an expansive game of rugby and then play a stand off who is noted for his tactical kicking??

He turned the team around after the Williams disaster, but I am afraid like Keegan he lacks the technical ability to take the team further.However, unlike Keegan he is problably not inward looking enough to realise he is not up to the task. Bring in Lineen and Robinson!!
17

Couperman,

Orpington 04/02/2008 08:57:38
Aye sadly all of our doubts came rushing through like the four horsemen of the apocolpse! If anything good came from the game yesterday it was that maybe DeLuca now realises that he'll be playing with the "big boys" and basic pre-schoolboy handling errors just aren't on. It was lucky for him that the rest of our team was pretty poor so he didn't stick out that far on the day.

Ho-hum - "Things can only get better" Oops!!
18

andyc0n,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 09:02:36
Firstly it is worth noting that Scotland usually experience some kind of "bad luck" when there is an Irishman officiating whether as referee or touch judge. HOWEVER, there is no excuse for what happened yesterday.

1) How could general parity in the forwards and accendancy in the scrummage be lost so comprehensively by a team which is supposedly bigger fitter and faster than any before it.

2) Why does the bottle merchant Parks continually get a game for Scotland when he has not produced one error free performance in his life for Glasgow, and certainly not for Scotland.

3) Why does it take 60 mins of a match to realise that you are supposed to attack the ball at pace going forward and then offload going forward, NOT standing still or offloading going backwards.

4) Why is there absolutely no urgency or creativity. As Clerc's performance highlights, perhaps we are thinking too much about producing big guys with no creativity, not intelligent fast guys who play with their eyes open?

5) When we make breaks there is never enough support, why not? Every team which makes breaks against us can finish breaks off alomost at will.

6) And more importantantly why do our players have no self confidence?

Really completely fed up with the same old crap. Most people just want a performance not necessarily a victory. Just a game where they look like the know what they are doing.
19

Exiled Tweedsider,

salisbury 04/02/2008 09:07:33
Scotland have been trying to play 15-man rugby league for too long. Pedestrian and predictable in attack, while standing off in defence. This French side have the makings of being a brilliant one, but we never tried to pressure them when they had the ball. The ref may have missed several forward passes, but the scoreline did not flatter the French one bit. They could have scored more tries while apart from Paterson's "almost made it" just befor ethe end we never looked like we would cross the French line.
20

kenbo9,

04/02/2008 09:16:18
Can we not pass the ball down the line? I remember at least three times we had overlaps that were wasted by firing long miss passes that simply allowed the French to drift across. The French backline all looked far more comfortable giving and taking a pass.
21

W.Robertson,

04/02/2008 09:19:42
Yesterdays poor performance can only be blamed on the Scottish coaches, who in my opinion are ruining a good team. Look at how Robinson turned Edinburgh around. Frank simply does not have the coaching skills and tactics to coach a national side! Once again, his objective of making a "place" for players regardless of their natural positioning was evident. Extremely disappointed by Lamonts performance at Fullback. The man is a winger and is risking losing us yet more games by his inability at 15. Patterson must have another shot at starting at 10 - Dan's mistakes were inexcusable. I hope De Luca gets another chance, although he looked like a school boy out of his depth. To be honest, the whole first hour looked like we had fielded a school team of under 16s!


22

weewillie,

kilmore 04/02/2008 09:23:17
Stop moaning the French were just better than us in every department except maybe weight. It reminds me of the Popeye movie song "He's Big". We should try mobility and coordination instead of just beef.
23

Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 09:24:50
Thank god im a Springbok supporter!
24

snudge,

04/02/2008 09:27:27
An absolute disgrace of a performance. I've been looking forward to that for about a month and we have been totally let down by Scotland.
I wouldnt have minded so much in previous years but the fact of the matter is that we have some great players and again they didnt step up.

We must also look at the coaching staff. The forwards were abismal, George Graham whats going on? Alan Tait, the defence was not its usual "None shal pass" which we have seen in previous years. Hadden, I think it's time for Andy Robinson.

I dont know what Andy Nicol was saying because the first half was as sh*t as the second from a Scottish point of view.

I feel sorry for all the punters who shelled out money to go to the game.
We can taking nothing from this (apart from Hines performance due to his sheer work rate) and I wouldnt be suprised if we got the wooden spoon.
The joys of being Scotiish.
25

TonyB,

Greenock 04/02/2008 09:30:58
That was dire. Same mistakes as always from the same people. Apart from the fact that Scotland got humped I was bored by the game in the 2nd half. France, having won the game in the first half, seemed content to 'counterpunch' when the Scots kicked poseesion away. When they had the ball it seemd to sit at the back of a ruck for an eternity whilst options were considered. The game was stop/start and quite honestly boring.
This sort of fare will not bring new people to the game.

Why don't we just accept that we are, quite rightly, favourites for the WS and play without the constraints of any expectation otherwise. I'd rather see defeats in a manner that makes you think that there is at least some hope for the future. Yesterday's performancewas abject.
26

Titomcs,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 09:36:45
I thought the pack yesterday were awful. There was little or no competition on opposition line-outs and they only started to pick and go around the ruck with ten minutes to go.

I didn't particulalrly think the French team were that good, it was a case of we were that poor. I'm thoroughly fed up watching Scotland put in passionless, naive performances. It is not that the players aren't good enough. If it's not that then it must be the coaching set-up.

27

KelsoKillie,

Abu Dhabi 04/02/2008 09:46:10
The first French try was a forward pass and the two other tries were just lucky bounces of the ball. Such a luckless day. But the French deserved the victory.

I can't remember any recent 6 Nations campaign when we had so little to offer in the second half. Even under Williams there was usually some rally after a first half flogging. What happened to the forwards after half time?!!

I feel sorry for De Luca - but almost every time the ball came his way it was like a rabbit caught in the headlights and freezing. If you want to develop him, give him time in the A team - or give him a run near the end of a game. Not as a starter against Wales, please.

Keep Parks - his kicking from hand was one of the few pleasures to watch for the Scots. Patterson at full back and Rory Lamont on the wing - Walker on the other wing. Or Patterson on a wing and Southwell at fullback - a very good tackling defender in the past for Scotland. Who takes De Luca's position? Webster?

Only real enjoyment from this game was watching the French running with the ball. With that style, this could be called the beautiful game!
28

scooter,

04/02/2008 09:50:48
A depressingly familiar story.

Also disappointing the A team don't even get a mention. 37-15 away to Italy is none too shabby, including tries from Morrison, Cairns and Evans. Three quarters scoring tries! There's an idea!

29

SKEEDLE,

Hawick 04/02/2008 09:53:04
No17 Gav Kerr is not the answer at prop (Remember the World Cup) and No18 The scrum always creaks when Kerr's in it (both he and Scott came on at the same time) it's easy to blame the lighter middle row, nothing to do with MacLeod.
Fair enough Parks is no bad kicking out of hand but we need more and certainly not a spineless 10 that wont go down on the ball when it matters most and certainly not one who stands and admires his kick ones he's kicked from hand.
30

Its so Vriesy,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 10:00:50
Not good, one dimensional rubbish who were ripped apart by a quicker, more athletic French team who had a number of options every time they had the ball (including the ref favouring les bleus!).

White - can we play him in 2nd row and get someone more dynamic in the back row? Very good Captain, tackler etc so he must stay in.

Dewey - when is he due back?

Parks - good but we have to accept a slow game if he is playing - if we want to play a more expansive game, start with Paterson. Dont bring Paterson on for a token appearance when we are already out the game.

#17 - how on earth can you justify bringing Evans and Morrison into the backline for the Wales game??

The team will be taken from the same 22 from yesterday subject to Henderson (suspension?), Lamont (injury), Hamilton (anonymous), Ford (erratic).

Wales three quarter line is som much better than ours and we could be in for a pasting.
31

Prada,

Peebles 04/02/2008 10:01:15
The poor performance on Saturday started before kick off. Farcical organisation began when someone removed the microphone half way through the pipe band's performance. Then the pipe band stopped playing Flower of Scotland half way through. And the half time performance by a samba group was excruciatingly amateurish to watch with poor amplification removing any hope of retrieving the situation. The car contest was over almost as soon it began. We can't blame the French, the referee or the shape of the ball for this, can we?
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Another voice,

04/02/2008 10:01:48
This game is the one that showed without doubt that frank hadden is not an international caliber coach.

His tactics (if there were any) and his selection were shown to be highschool level at best.

If you look at his international record, last season was a disaster. Scotland were embarrassed in london and paris, were tacically niave and well beaten by a poor italy, they improved against ireland but were still were still very poor. The world cup was a total write off. Ok scotland beat romania, portugal etc but if they had not then the sport in this country would have sunk to new lows. The only two games that mattered in that tournament were italy and argentena. Against italy scotland fluked it. Patterson was again standout, and if italy had not missed two easy penalties then they would have progressed.

Against argentina scotland's tactics (and parks) cost us the game. A charge down for the argentine try, and parks lob into the corner in the last minutes was a huge waste of possession. Hadden knows parks is a liability but still he picks him- why? That game was scotlands big chance and they blew it by poor tactics and personal displays.

Scotlands best 3 players are white, patterson and cusiter, so why only play one from the start?

Hadden must be sacked if not now then at the end of the tournament, he is out of his depth and sinking fast.
33

Lone-eye,

04/02/2008 10:07:31
Parks:feel sorry for the guy as he cops a lot of unfair flack, but he needs to be dropped after Sunday's shambles. He was at fault for the 1st try:all he needed to do was fall on the ball instead of bottling it and trying a ridiculous fly-hack. He stands too deep and the centres too flat. The oppo knows he isn't going to break so they could get after de Luca. Dreadful kick-off and penalty attempt-Paterson at 10 for me from now on.
Webster needs to go too. He has a good work-rate but that's entire;y counter-productive as he is so prone to knocking on and being turned over.
Hadden came out with the same horse-sh** excuses at Twickenham in the 1st game last year when we were similarly cuffed.
White seems to be off-form and didn't carry much. We could shift him into 2nd row and bring in Strokosch. Hogg must surely start at 8 next game if we're to have a chance. Hadden's running out of time as we seem clueless in attack given the lack of pace and support runners when someone does actually manage a break.
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Adopted Fifer,

Dunfermline 04/02/2008 10:10:32
I was at murrayfield with my Family and two friends from Gloucester I invited up to watch a Six nation match. After telling them about the atmosphere in Murrayfield when it's full what a let down.
France out played us,out sang us. Even my friends were commenting on how quite the supporters were.
I've been going to every home six nations match with my family for many years now and I shocked to admit I was glad I never managed to get any of the next match tickets via the ballot. After spending £270 on six tickets this may my last match.
Come on Scotland,be proud to wear that shirt on your back and come on all the other supporters in Murrayfield,we never stopped singing why did you?
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Lone-eye,

04/02/2008 10:12:42
Oh-and the comment that really gets me was Hadden's on Paterson throughout the week. "I see him having a massive influence on the game for us"
Well why the hell wait until the last 17 minutes when the game is lost and the pack is going backwards and turning over the ball every 2 seconds?!
Get a grip Hadden.
If Parks plays at 10 then Paterson also has to start as we need his kicking reliability because we sure as hell won't be running in many tries.
36

Tired of the excuses!!!,

Ireland 04/02/2008 10:14:30
I have said from the very start that Hadden is not the man to take Scotland forward. Excuse after excuse, there was no fire in the bellys on Sunday.

They came out of that tunnel limp and tame. I would love to swear however that match was just appalling from a Scottish point of view.
37

Chris M,

04/02/2008 10:15:53
#27 - listen to the Radio Scotland coverage and watch the Beeb pictures, perhaps a wee bit more balanced? (Gary Parker, John Beattie, Peter Wright etc) I agree with your comments about Andy Robinson though, perhaps the SRU were thinking ahead when they signed him?

It'll be interesting to see what the tema changes are for the game against Wales. Saturday afternoon will make some viewing....
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Scota Nostra,

South of the Wall 04/02/2008 10:21:40
I am amazed at the comments regarding Parks. This guy will never be an international 10 as long as he has a hole in his bum. Just because he can kick to touch from hand does not mean that he has the ability to control a match.In the matches that I have watched him, he regularly gives away more points than he scores, Saturday being yet an other example. Scotland missed a great chance to get rid of Hadden after the world cup, how much longer are we prepared to listen to his lame excuses? I suppose that we are stuck with him for the remainder of the 6 nations, however, planing should already be underway to recruit a new head coach and backup staff. If Robinson and Lineen can be poached from their clubs, then lets have them. I will not be purchasing any more tickets for Scotland matches until both Hadden and Parks have been sent packing. It's sad to say, but it looks like yet another WS and the end of this championship.
39

Doc Martin,

Dundee 04/02/2008 10:24:10
I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I would like to see Cusiter in at 9 and give Mike Blair a chance at 10... anyone agree??
40

HADDEN SHOULD GO NOW!,

04/02/2008 10:26:34
NOW IT IS THE BALL'S FAULT!!!

NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID. GET BACK TO THE SHALLOW END HADDEN.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 04/02/2008 10:32:39
Ach, a load o' piffel.

We outplayed France in the first half. The problem is being thin-skinned. When you get bad ref decisions and bounces you have to take it on the chin instead of reaching out for the psychiatrists couch.

A bit of work on forward angles in tackling and fixing the line-out might help but the main thing is keep the composure.

Unlike much of the bluster above, all Scotland needs is keep the heid. If they can't learn that, teach rugby in Glasgow and then you'll find some gonads in the national team.
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HADDEN SHOULD GO NOW!,

04/02/2008 10:37:37
Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Are you Hadden in disguise. Or just clueless?
43

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 10:38:26
Franks interview I heard a few minutes ago was embarrasing - wasn't the team, his selection, his tactics, the SRU, the ref, the training - apparently was 3 unkind bounces of the ball.

And followed up with was the same against Argentina, where he says 2 bad bounces of the ball cost us the game!!!
44

Happy driver,

04/02/2008 10:48:59
The forwards may not have played well but in the first half they won a lot of ball and we had the same problems of not knowing what to do with it.

Passes from the base of rucks and mauls are going 5 metres flat to a forward who is standing still creating yet more slow ball. This got worse in the second half when we had even less idea what to do.

When we move to the backs Parks is deep and his back line is completely flat so that is slow as well. The only option is a crash ball by 12 or a miss to 13 to try and create some space. Both options are far to easy top defend.

I wouldn't drop De Luca even though he did have a shocker to start with as from A games he does show some inspiration in the back line. I do think the more experienced players should be taking to some responsibility for easing him into the match with big miss passes that were crap passes to a seasoned centre never mind someone on their debut.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

Vatican City, Drumchapel 04/02/2008 10:50:32
Fear not brothers,

Do not drop de Luca -picking a deb then dropping him is a sure way of ruining him - look at Matthew Tait.

Why do all these Scots fellas play well for weege, embra or gloucester then their composure deserts them when they step out at Murrayfield - could it be the management? Frankie Haddock is a nice guy who's gone some way to rebuilding the team's confidence post Williams, and he probably doesn't deserve the opprobium he gets here, but to move forward perhaps the Scotland team need a coach who will stamp his authority on the team, let them know their responsibilities, and above all has been there and done it himself...step forward Andy Robinson.

Maybe Jason White could move to 2nd row to let Strokosch in, but playing a key player out of position and chucking newbys into a team under pressure is probably not ideal.

De Luca should be allowed a run in the team, maybe Paterson can play stand off (as long as it's not in the back 3, and actually, the form fly half right now is Godman...), and perhaps a few youngster like Strokosch and Moray Low can come in on the bench, but apart from that I don't think much will change for Wales.

We'll do well to avoid the spoon or even a whitewash this year, but then again, i think this 6N has a few more shocks in it, and I have a feeling scotland may be involved in some of them.

Wales will be full of it, but as a team they have a big weakness in their pack, where Scotland can be quite strong when the mood takes them...you never know.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 10:55:33
*Watched a bit of this game.What I`d like to ask all you rugby fans what exact planet have you desended from?How on earth can anyone take pleasure about watching so called grown men jumping on each other in a pile and calling this a game.It reminds me of being back in the Scouts.What a load of pash.
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dg seville,

Northnats 04/02/2008 11:22:21

I get fed up with knee jerk reactions!

Scotland lost so badly because of three reasons.

1. The first try should not have been given. You can say what you like about clutching at straws but Scotland showed a lot of promise in the first half and loosing a try like that against the run of play was a heavy body blow.

2. Dan Parks may be a good fly half in the Magners League, and he made a couple of fantastic place kicks yesterday, but there are two many negatives compared to other options! What happened at the kick off! What happened for the French second try? I'm sorry but Dan has had enough chances he should be used to close out a game only if that ever happens!

Chris Patterson is an inspirational player, I don't care if he's not getting a game for Gloucester he should still be at the top of the list!

The second half was shambolic, our players simply lost the plot, but we lost the game in the first half because both trys should never have happened. We made the French look better than they were!

The only thing I would criticise Hadden on is Chris vs Dan, surely he must realise that Dan simply does not have the class when under pressure.

Come on Hadden I’m still confident we can bounce back in this six nations if we now learn from outr mistakes!



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raevidence,

04/02/2008 11:29:17
completely reorganise the side: drop dan parks, simon webster, nathan hines, mike blair -service too slow, andy henderson, david calum and john barclay and bring in the form players al strokosh, rory lawson, tom evans, ali kellock and recast the back row who were completely outplayed with simon taylor if fit and ally hogg, put phil godman on the bench and chris paterson at fly half. Put jason white in second row with ali kellock. find a centre with quick hands who can partner de luca, tom philp -if fit?

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Colt,

04/02/2008 11:30:05
#48 - Don't be drawn into this SRU mindset that everything in the world is going well except when the media, the ball, the ref and others have it in for us. "Playing well" for the clubs is a nonsense - results are everything and Edinburgh finished bottom of their ERC group, Glasgow only finished above Viadana. The RWC was a "success" when we scraped a win v the Italians and other than that were average at best - Paterson kicked us to any results we have had in the last couple of years so to drop him was frankly (excuse the pun) stupid. And what has FH ever won as a coach? He said last week (and so did all his players who have been on the same positive-only-talking-allowed media course)that we had more strength in depth than ever before. That doesn't explain poor use of the bench yesterday but surely means we have loads of stars just ready to step up at Cardiff? Unless strength in depth means the same level of ability (i.e. very limited) amongst many players. If the players are so good get a coach who can get them to show it.
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Steve Evans,

Malta 04/02/2008 11:32:08
Hard luck Scotland, but looking forward to Saturday, hope I don't have to eat my words, after all there is a great comradeship with this next game. I am sure there will be a great welcome in the hillside from Wales. Enjoy your visit Scotland.
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Gordieboy,

Musselburgh 04/02/2008 11:37:14
Having endured what can only be described as a tortuous afternoon at Furryfield I have now calmed down sufficiently to comment on the whole sorry debacle.

First off, the point about the atmosphere being poor is to look at it from the wrong perspective. Yes we were outsung by the French supporters but what exactly did we have to shout about? The relationship between crowd and players is symbiotic - the atmosphere pre-match was as good as I have experienced at Murrayfield in recent years, yet quite literally straight from kick-off the Scotland players were doing their best to dampen spirits, with an inept kick-off straight to touch.

A failure to properly execute the basics lost us this game. Our pack was bullied by lighter, less experienced opponents. The set-piece was all over the place. The French back-row were quicker to every breakdown and able to snaffle possession even when we had an attacking platform (aaarrgggghhhh!) When we did secure decent possession our backs looked incapable of running into space, or indeed (and rather more fundamentally) of catching the sodding ball. How many times did knock-ons ruin what few attacking opportunities we had?

We can all bitch and moan about tactics and selection, but the bottom line is that the XV players selected should be good enough to execute simple moves. Yesterday they weren't, and we got beat.

A final word on the French - by default now automatically tournament favourites. Vincent Clerc was by far and away the best player on the park and by such a long way, it was ridiculous. Some of their running rugby yesterday was a joy to watch. On the evidence of the turgid pish served up by our players, it'll be many a long year 'til our boys are capable of a similar performance.

I have a ticket for the England game in March, and I'm now positively dreading it. I fear another afternoon of pain.
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rugbyman,

peeved as usual after a trip to Murrayfield 04/02/2008 11:43:43
First half showed some good promise for Scotland and France had the rub of the green for both tries, although Parks was at fault for No2.

Forwards were winning a lot of good quick ball, but Parks and the backs seemed to be working to a fixed game plan which said it shall not be passed to the winger until at least three phases in. Why on earth did we keep coming back inside when we had overlaps on at least three or four occasions. Are we now incapable of passing to the man next to us (without a long missed pass) and timing it such that we commit the tackler to the passer rather than letting the tacklers stay on their feet and stay in the game.

Second half was simply appalling. Parks was standing far twoo deep and nobody was hitting the line at pace coming on to sympathetic passes. Forwards gave away too much ball and also too many penalties.

I have yet to see Parks grab hold of an international match by the scruff of the neck, hence he must go - and the obvious replacement is Paterson. Otherwise, get the attitudes right and the rest will fall into place. The only other question marks really revolve around: a) why we took off our prop at a time when France were being overwhelmed and we had won a scrum against the head; b) why Rory Lamont always feels he has to beat a man before giving a pass; and c) where is the evidence that either Jim Hamilton or Scott McLeod has more to offer than Scott Murray ?
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Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 04/02/2008 11:56:38
On the bright side.....I'm glad i watched it on tv at the rugby club as £60 bought me 30 pints to make it at least bearable.
2. We can't pass the ball or run at the opposition....Webster was utter pants when returning the french kicks.
The scrum.....we were 6.5 kg per man heavier......but couldn't shove sh*t off a shovel........George Graham.....get them on the scrummaging machine ya tube.
Finally the A team went to Italy with the Glasgow and Edinburgh coaches and put in a great shift......McKie......do you get the message
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Hoop,

Carnoustie 04/02/2008 12:04:44
#55 writes "but Parks and the backs seemed to be working to a fixed game plan which said it shall not be passed to the winger until at least three phases in".

Dead right - this is the problem with 'game plans', something that FH seems to be fixated with.

If you are going to work to a 'game plan', what do you do if it doesn't work? You better have a Plan B ready - and we don't. We seem to be playing a kind of bastardized 2nd-rate rugby league. France at least tried to play rugby union and made a pretty good fist of it for a team that had trained only 4 times together. I'm not saying that they play a completely unstructured game but at least they have been given the licence to play what's in front of them, rather than trying to make what's in front of them conform to a 'game plan' (how I hate those words).

#55 also writes "nobody was hitting the line at pace coming on to sympathetic passes." Again, agree with the point about 'sympathetic passes'. We see spin passes being fired out at 150mph, when what's required is just a basic pass, thrown so the receiver can catch it - a sympathetic pass.

The problem I've got with this is as a youth coach, because the kids all try to copy it and it's entirely inappropriate. It would be great if the national side could set an example for the grass roots of the game to follow but the only example worth following yesterday wore a cockerel, not a thistle - much as it pains me to say it.

Oh, and finally, #55 says that nobody was hitting the line at pace - again, agreed, but we don't have any pace. Not one of our backs could keep up with any of Heymans, Clerc or Malzieu. They can run faster with the ball than we can run without it.

Scotland, Scotland - it was like watching someone turn up for a jousting tournament wearing a cardigan.
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daffy_b,

04/02/2008 12:04:50
Firstly.....Lets say congrats the French, and especially to coach Lievremont, who has been brave enough to take French rugby back to what it is good at - running with the ball and attacking from anywhere on the park.

The French passing and running and kick-and-chase was very exciting to watch yesterday - and Scotland had no answer.

Scotland on the other hand were woeful to watch - regardless of whether they won good possession ball or had so many good tackles etc - they just didn't manage to take the game forward and they could have played all day yesterday without every looking like scoring a try. There didn't seem to be any spark whatsoever yesterday from anyone. The ball was passed aimlessly from side to side, and then kicked back to to French, surrendering possession and then having to go on the back foot as the French attacked with pace.

Whenever the Scots kicked the ball up-field, the Scots PLODDED after it - no-one was running. Unlike the French, when they kicked up-field, had 2-3 sometimes 4 backs hurtling after the ball - 2 times resulting in scores !!

Please oh please can we get James Hook to convert to being a Scot - he is Class, he kicks, he runs, he passes, he tackles, he thinks, he controls games. Someone like him in the scots team yesterday would have made a HUGE difference, and maybe we might even have got a try.

Scotland at the moment are unfortunately bereft of ideas - the game is 1-dimensional, predictable and easy to countermand - the players do not play this way for their clubs - the Scottish coaching team really has to answer some questions on this.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 12:19:01
Respectable loss?!
Wales have no pack, we should beat them.
We won't though.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 12:19:17
Laird have you been on the absinthe again?
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Michelle Fifer,

Haddenough 04/02/2008 12:24:09
I'm afraid the mighty Haddock does have to shoulder a lot of the blame here. The guy's only "success" was in letting the same players used under MW revert to "heads up" rugby. Hardly a miracle worker. We took a couple of teams by surprise as a result in that year but have been stuffed ever since. Now he reverts to the overcoached, overstructured gameplan of his predecessor! I was on here last week saying the selection had some merits if only because the French wouldn't know what our gameplan was. Clearly our own players didn't either and I'm still trying to work out what it was.

We're a nation with small enough resources as it is without playing the more limited options in each position. We should be doing what the French are doing and experimenting/finding new players ahead of the world cup. On yesterday's evidence, he should forget game plans and just get them practising basic skills. The French ran onto the ball at pace (not passing behind their man) and generaly caught it as well. Paterson and Walker were the only players to emerge wih credit, although I'd stick with di Luca. Will he have the bottle to be bold enough?
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littleowl,

Blairgowrie 04/02/2008 12:29:54
We were beaten by the law of probability....if you keep giving the ball to the opposition they will probably use it to beat you. Take of the shakles off and let the boys play....
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London Exile,

crying on ma keyboard 04/02/2008 12:31:29
like all of us Saturday gave me even more hope, nothing to fear, four teams, lacking inspiration, if we could turn in a performance against a new, French team, well the six nations was ours for the taking!!

why am I not a natural pessimist, after all being Scottish and loving your national team for 4 decades plus should tell you never to be optimistic?!

the saddest sight for me was Jason White no longer being interested in the game with still 20 minutes to go, and before their 3rd try, that for me says that he is not aligned with the management team's tactics, he doesn't believe anymore!!

so we're not going to change the management team we therefore need to change the captain, for this 6 nations at least. players need an inspiration on the pitch and White did not provide that for the whole game.

for one of the bizzarest reversals in international rugby, when have Scotland so comprehensively heaved another pack off their own ball to then have a complete role-reversal for the bulk of the 2nd half, I can rarely remember, if ever, seeing that happen before, and I don't just mean when Scott Mcleod replaced Hamilton.

we will lose gallantly against Wales, back to our more comfortable mantle of underdogs. I hope Hadden doesn't drop de Luca because that will just be an additional dent to his confidence and he is still a bright hope within a pedestrian back-line, particularly now without a Lamont in site.
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London Exile,

crying on ma keyboard 04/02/2008 12:31:39
like all of us Saturday gave me even more hope, nothing to fear, four teams, lacking inspiration, if we could turn in a performance against a new, French team, well the six nations was ours for the taking!!

why am I not a natural pessimist, after all being Scottish and loving your national team for 4 decades plus should tell you never to be optimistic?!

the saddest sight for me was Jason White no longer being interested in the game with still 20 minutes to go, and before their 3rd try, that for me says that he is not aligned with the management team's tactics, he doesn't believe anymore!!

so we're not going to change the management team we therefore need to change the captain, for this 6 nations at least. players need an inspiration on the pitch and White did not provide that for the whole game.

for one of the bizzarest reversals in international rugby, when have Scotland so comprehensively heaved another pack off their own ball to then have a complete role-reversal for the bulk of the 2nd half, I can rarely remember, if ever, seeing that happen before, and I don't just mean when Scott Mcleod replaced Hamilton.

we will lose gallantly against Wales, back to our more comfortable mantle of underdogs. I hope Hadden doesn't drop de Luca because that will just be an additional dent to his confidence and he is still a bright hope within a pedestrian back-line, particularly now without a Lamont in site.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 12:32:34
Alain "napoleon" Rolland may as well have been Haw-Hee-Hawing around that pitch on a bicyle in a fetching beret/ stripy jumper combo with a string of onions around his neck, the little French, sorry, "Irish" t*sspot.

Someone should take a large, stale baguette and stick it right up his harris, and maybe add a couple of large onions too.
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Sedov,

Scotland 04/02/2008 12:56:43
Thought I would give rugby union another chance to see if had moved on from the tedium of last year so watched all three games. Waste of time really. Apart from the first ten minutes of the Scotland v France and the last ten minutes of the Wales game game it was as bad as ever, too many rules and hold ups with the endless whistling of refs who are blamed for one bad decision ( forward pass) among the hundreds they have to make during 80 long minutes of boredom that makes F1 motor racing look positively exciting.
PS . How can Frank Haddon make decent young players look nervous and play poorly? Get rid of him before the rot really sets in.
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billymac,

Ireland 04/02/2008 12:57:49
I thought De Luca got better as the game progressed. The two passes he dropped were poor passes in the first place. Parks fired one at his shoulder and the other at his knees. That's another problem with Parks - he can't pass. Add that to the debit column - can't tackle, can't run, can't pass (let's not forget his cut-out to the winger speciality which means any overlap is immediately negated). His positive contribution yesterday was to make two long kicks to touch, a drop goal and an easy penalty. On the negative side, he missed an easy penalty, failed to find touch with another penalty kick and was too chicken to dive on the ball which led to France's second try.

If FH plays Parks at 10 against Wales then he needs his head examined.
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Kenny A,

04/02/2008 12:58:29
Cant add to much to what has been said. Scotland deserved to lose. French had a lot of luck but they deserved it. The Henderson incident started a bit earlier than noticed out of order however.

De Luca, dont drop but put on the bench.
Forwards need a hell of a good shake up. These gigantic beings almost totaly failed to impress.
Ford back to the drawing board, poor performance.

Overall solution to problem. Paterson at No 10 and make him the PM, (sorry Captain).

If it was only so easy.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 12:59:56
#67 - if you pick a debutant then drop him because he doesn't reproduce his club form immediately, 90% of the time you ruin him as a player.
Think Matthew Tait, think James Craig (who he?...yes, remember him? The next Big thing thrown to the Wallabies in '97 and never seen in a Scotland shirt again, reduced to making occasional forays onto the pitch for Rotherham 2nds).
Think Nikki Walker, think Simon Danielli, think Jamie Mayer - all promising individuals and all given about 3 games before being shown the door. Only nikki walker seems to have made some sort of recovery, and given that he made his debut in 2002 not before time.
Think Phil Godman (thanks god he seems to have recovered).
Even Chris Paterson or Gregor Townshend never really fulfilled their promise after being shunted around because the boss (Telfer, Hadden - whoever) refused to give them a run in their favourite position.

You can't treat players like that, especially not Scottish ones. If we were England or France and had 4 or 5 players of de Luca's potential then the odd one falling by the wayside would matter less, but we're not.

de Luca needs a run, besides which who would you replace him with? The big but lumbering Morrison? The nippy but rarely first choice Scot Barrow? The recovering, off form Rob Dewey who's actually an inside centre? Or maybe you could draft in the surgical technique demonstration unit Tom "Tank" Philip after his 4 come back games for the Accies, as some of the more numptyish contributors seem to think would be a good idea, especially as he too is an inside centre.

If de Luca gets dropped then we really will know Frankenhaddock has no clue, and I would be careful what you wish for, because Frankenhaddock has said often enough he is unconvinced by de Luca.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 13:07:38
#62 Sedov, why don't you get yourself back to your wee holiday tower block in sunny Warrington where you can watch all the rugby league you want to? Maybe you can combine it into some kind of spectator tour with some other Northern English minority sports - dominoes, radishing and gurning for example?
Sorry mate, but watching 26 Northern chavsters convulsing about a cabbage patch in an overgrown game of touch rugby doesn't do it for me.
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Soapy Soutar,

East Lothian 04/02/2008 13:14:39

Good to see we always get 10 times as many comments when things are going badly than when they go well.

Lots of interesting stuff on here but 3 points which I would like to hear views on

1. What do we gain by always replacing Blair with 20 minutes to go? I know we need to have 2 scrum half’s in the 22 but just how does bringing on two cold elements to the hinge help.

2. I seem to be the only one who thought that both Hines and White got through a power of defensive work well.

3. Does Rory Lamont now understand why all his coaches don’t think fullback is his best position? Poor positional understanding, poor execution and very predictable when in possession

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Deamhain,

Huntly 04/02/2008 13:27:54
I know this will echo many of the comments above but my analyst says it helps to talk about things!

It's not being beaten by France that upsets me but the manner of the defeat. I don't know how many times I ended up with my head in my hands at fundamental failures. We had ten youngsters (all younger than 15) down from Huntly. They and their young squadmates - and all the youngsters up here in the north east for that matter - are generally more entertaining to watch - less expensive too!

Scunnered
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Cullenskink,

Kingston 04/02/2008 13:32:47

Greggs would have struggled to sell the number of turnovers Scotland gave France yesterday.

White seemed incredibly quiet (wherefore art thou, forward-folding signature tackle, and penalty earning smother?)- the whole thing filled me with horror. And I am the most glass half full of Scotland fans as per the Laird's model. Hideous, hideous stuff. Once it started going wrong, we conspired to make it go further wrong as quick as we could.
Paterson back at 10, because he can kick penalties (and would have steadied nerves where Parks missed yesterday), because he has captaincy experience (remember him geeing up the team in the last 20 mins against Argentina) and because he has more attacking flair - as someone said above, at least the opponents are unsure whether he'll run or not. He's not afraid to fall on the ball and wouldn't have sclaffed it into French hands. Witness the huge cheer for him warming up, even. Thats worth something on its own.

However, if I had to predict the selection, I fear Parks at 10 for Wales, yada yada, you know the script.
71

AVRENIM,

Montvalent 04/02/2008 13:43:23
why were France playing in Scottish blue and the Scots forced to wear what appeared to be England's white?
72

ContinentalOp,

04/02/2008 13:48:12
#71 I agree with you about suddenly dropping new players. De Luca is the best player we have at 13 by some distance and has the potential to be a real asset at international level. He dropped the ball twice yesterday? So what, you certainly keep him at 13 for this entire tournament and assess him over his first 5 games.

By the way, I thought Barclay was good yesterday but got shafted by Rolland's interpretation of the ruck. He did not ping anyone for holding on and time and time again, Barclay was on his feet trying to make turnovers that would have happened with a different ref.

The big shock was how disorganised our pack became as the game wore on. I felt that leaving ally Hogg out was madness as his experience and quality are key and I think that was Frank's big selection error.

For Wales, consider Strokosch and Hogg into the back row with White to 2nd row? If not, maybe just Hogg in for Callam (didn't do anything wrong, just think the game may be more open). Suspect Paterson will come into 15 for Lamont and maybe put Thom Evans on the bench?

Most of all, we do have decent players - that is what is different about this characteristic scottish rugby farce.....We can't panic and make wholesale changes because these lads are the best we've got and should do better!
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 13:49:26
#75, OK it's not absinthe, it's crystal meth isn't it?

So you'd chuck a bloke who's never played outside centre and has been out of the team for 5 years (yes! It really has been that long!), who's known for suspect hands and no distributin skills in at 13 on the basis that he's big and fast and went to the same school as you?

At the same time you'd run the risk of ruining the confidence of the Magner's league's standout centre of the season so far?

Mate, that's mental. In fact, it's so mental I can believe it might actually happen fnaar fnaar!
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weeveggyhaggis,

04/02/2008 13:50:26
Here we go again with another false dawn.Haddon claimed that this year he had his strongest squad ever.What a joke.With a few exceptions they all played like rabbits, no fire or passion.
What is needed is a total clearout of Haddon and his coaching staff.
Henderson should have saved his headbutt for Haddon.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 13:54:27
#77 we wanted to affect the appearance we were England in a hopeless attempt to avoid embarrassment, but unfortunately for us our chums from south of the wall did the job convincingly the day before by losing to a team with no pack and a part time tanning parlour advertisment model in the centre.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 13:55:17
Hey, as an aside do you think Tommy Sheridan and Gavin Henson could have something in common?
77

Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 14:04:05
Chris Paterson - he's kind of like Scottish rugby's answer to David Beckham, without the tatooes, strangely named offspring and skinny, pop tartlet wife who resembles some kind of weird crop eating insect.
78

Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 14:04:45
I'm going to go an get medicated. I haven't been sleepng much recently.
79

Kenny A,

04/02/2008 14:19:24
81-84

In good form, dont overdo the medication though.
80

sam the god,

04/02/2008 15:22:07
seen a better performance from a primary 5 team i should charge people to watch them
81

Lederblix,

04/02/2008 15:23:52
FH will pick Parks for Wales and justify this by reminding us that DP was the Scottish Players' player of the WC. Personally I think he should stay in the WC. The Welsh back row will target him with glee. Wales must be hoping he gets selected again - the whole backline is so static, waiting for the ball to arrive before taking off, by which time the defence is right up on them...and I'm a bit wary of the idea of Godman; he plays well for his club (where have we heard that before) but there's still a question mark over him at international level. CP may not be the best 10 in the 6N but he has a more complete, proven and reliable game than anyone else in Scotland at the moment.
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Bugle,

Wur Capital City 04/02/2008 15:24:52
Going back to the RWC – Hadden picked a second string against NZ because they were playing Italy 6 days later. We are playing Wales in 6 days – why didn’t he apply the same logic? Is the 6 Nations more important than the RWC?

Appreciate they think they could have beaten France but the logic still applies.

He should have been shown the door – he is NOT the man to take us forward.
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Monsignor Massubatorio Onanismio,

04/02/2008 15:30:31
#89 Lederblix - FH ignored Godman when his club form was good - i.e. Autumn 2005/ 6N 2006, then picked him as a panic measure to get him in the world cup when his club form was poor during the 6N of 2007.

He's on form now, which is staggering really, given the way he's been managed. He must have reserves of confidence we don't know about.

He deserves a bench spot, I think.
84

MT,

04/02/2008 15:51:17
Alright lads, this is what we have to do:

(1)Give Frank one more chance to pick the RIGHT team
with some genuine firepower
and stop making excuses all the time (just like Ian MaGheechen did)

OR

Sack him and replace him with Andy Robinson.

(2) Permanently discard(retire) with a certain no 10. who recently started against France.

AND make Patterson permanent no. 10.

(3) Perform some serious surgery to the team.

The forwards are OK except Ally Hogg HAS to start in the next game.

BUT The backline needs to change:

9. Cusiter. (Class player, deserves another go)
10. Patterson (Need I explain myself?
11. Evans.
12. Deluca.
13. Danielli
14. Walker
15. Southwell.




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Sedov,

Scotland 04/02/2008 15:51:48
#72 MMO - Warrington was never sunny and dominoes is as strong as ever in the heart of publand Portobello. Rugby Union is crap all hype and no substance - a bit like your posts.
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MT,

04/02/2008 15:51:59
Sorry, that should be Cairns at 15.
87

MT,

04/02/2008 15:52:41
Sedov, and what crap sport to you follow?
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TonyB,

04/02/2008 15:58:40
What are the options for saturday then? Backs only for the moment.
FB - Paterson/Southwell/Cairns?
Wing - Paterson/Walker/Webster/Evans/Danielli
Centre - de Luca/Henderson/Morrison/Webster
SO - Paterson/Parks/Godman
SH - Blair/Lawson/Cusiter

Personally I'd do soemthing radical with it and make a few changes.
Cairns at FB
Wingers of Walker and Evans
Centres De Luca and Webster
SO Paterson
SH Blair

The well really doesn;t seem that full when you think about it. No real competition in the centre, not the depth of choice or the quality that we imagined.

Don't think that team will be anywhere near the pitch come game time on saturday.

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Rampant,

London 04/02/2008 16:25:08
The favourite tag clearly doesnt sit well with Scotland in anything and as the game went on we discovered how good an unleased France team are. Where as we forced passes, didnt do anything at lineouts as seemed to operate a reverse blitz defense which looked like schoolboy stuff

Rolland was poor but we needed to play his intepretation.

Parks did his out of hand kicking well....huge kicks to the French 5m....but we simply werent smart enough to turn pressure into points. I'm not sure Paterson at 10 is the answer, he warrants starting at 15 next week, then perhaps moving closer in as the game moves on.

Saying that the odds we beat Wales next Sat are high...but I actually think this loss will do us good and we have a chance next week. My glass is half full!
90

Sedov,

Scotland 04/02/2008 16:37:00
#95 MT I do not follow any crap sports but I take a keen interest in Moto GP, football ( which is in decline) and golf which I try to play. Incidentally, when I raced motor bikes for a laugh there was a team called MT's (the name of the bikes) Are Nasty. My team was called Power Strangers!
91

Mr Jaffa,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 16:42:39
I have to say I am sympathetic to Haddens remarks about Alain Rolland. Every time I watch him referee a non Scotland game I think he looks a good ref. Every time he referees a Scotland game he makes a series of howlers. Also, I didnt realise the original ref had called off. So we prepared for one ref, then got a different one (who tends to give decisions against Scotland!).

Which brings me to this....why does a Frenchman get to ref a France game???? and before people come on saying he is Irish, according to the Herald his father is French. That would make him half French, half Irish.
92

Number 8,

depths of depression 04/02/2008 16:54:16
What game plan does Hadden provide when Scotland are more than ten points behind? It appeared to me on Sunday that the whole team bereft of ideas and didn't know how to chase a a game. Chuck away the game plan book and play rugby by instinct, I am sure we may surprise a few people !
93

Alain Paddy d'Poontangue l'Honky-Tonque O'Rolland,

En France celebrating notre victoire extraordinair 04/02/2008 17:01:04
Bon Jovi and a top o de mornun' mes petit amis eccosais, eet eez you referee, Monsieur O'Rollan ici!

'ow you say I luv you leetel country, bejaysus, and I 'espesheeully luv you gentle leetel rugby teem and you coach extraordinaire, le Frenkenhaddock-stein.

Cette une belle poison, non? Et toi #98 SEDOV, j pense que vous engage en un autre sport, l'equipe national onanistique, non? I 'ave eet on ze good authorite that you look exceptionel in the leather cowboy chaps with leetel holes in the buttock cheeks, non, and have even managed STROKING EN EXCESS DE 300 TIMES DANS UN MINUTE, UNLUBRICE!? Incroyable! Votre "Bill Veille" must have been on fire, non?

As for for those of you, who would wish to forcibly insert a stale baguette into my unfortunate leetel piece d'Ringue, all I can do is offre mon digit central and invite you to swivel!

Go on, all of you! Fe** off! Those who would suggest i am not Irish, but merely a jumped up leetel frog in disguise.

You can all encoule, all of you! I am as Irish as mist, le Builder cowboy and little men carrying ze peeg over, 'ow you say, "ze Bog"? Oui? C'est correct?

Bejayesus fe*k *rse haw-hee-haw...
94

Malky Loudon,

Edinburgh/Newcastle 04/02/2008 17:10:31
Here's my contribution for what it's worth:

1. Keep De Luca in; yes couple of errors but made a clean break out of nothing; something a Scottish centre hasn't done for centuries. Don't make a 'Tait' case out of him.

2. From the stand, the back row did b****r all compared to the French. Callum offers nothing; plenty of form back rowers to come in as a replacement. Would like to see more athleticism there; look how quick the French breakaways were and how effective they were. This focus on size is justified to some extent but battering ram back rowers are not going to take this team forward.

3. Blair looked class as usual; there's no justification for arbitrarily putting Cusiter in there.

4. Why can't more of our forwards adopt the Nathan Hines approach to offloading? Granted he's got the physicality to stand up to players with one arm but it's so effective.

5. Pick and drive in a defensive position; why? ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS results in a front rower knocking on. Yuk.

6. Why the hell didn't we pressurise their defensive lineout with more authority after the two Parks touch finders? Unbelievable.

7. Ellisalde. Genius. Made a few errors but so alert at every situation; the French quick taps and lineouts killed us. Blair is the only one in our team with the same vision and enterprise.

8. Good to see Walker have a decent game. He's shining in a good Ospreys side so it was only a matter of time before he had a decent showing. Needs to learn how to chip ahead into space; one time in the second half was crying out for it.

9. Frank; your excuses are an embarassment. Yes, we were unlucky with the bounce of the ball at times and the Rolland was poor. What is being overlooked is the fact that Lamont and Parks failed to anticipate a loose ball and the back row failed to pick up on the rf's interpretation.

10. Still can't understand how we can DEMOLISH their scrum but then capitulate later on. Agreed Kerr isn't up to it.
95

Upandunder,

Hiding under the table 04/02/2008 17:18:43
What a pile of garbage. A settled team meets a bunch of lads who were introduced to eachother and their new coach on the verandah of a Beziers cafe only a few days previously. And who wins by 21 points?

Are we over-coached? Isn't it surely the Scottish way to have some freedom of expression on the park?

De Luca looked like he was scared of something. Hendo also looked nervous; something really got to him, and so early on.

And where was Jason White? For a captain he seemed to go missing far too often. And Parks is an Alex King, an Andy Goode: Good club player but NOT an international 10.

Blair played well, as did Barclay, front row did some great stuff in 1st half, Nikki Walker worked hard, Hamilton and Hines battled but you could see their heads drop when it was clear what ball was generated was screwed up by the backs unless Walker came inside or Blair had a pop.

But, at least consider this positive. Scotland played well for longer periods than Wales did at Twickenham. And face it, even we can't play as badly as England did for that crazy 15 mins. We've got to have a right go. If Wales get ahead early on then we can forget it. And forget the 6Nations for that matter, too.
96

Dorfl,

South 04/02/2008 17:58:44
Oh well - Saturday night anticipating a great Monday morning in the office with my English workmates...by Sunday evening I was well and truly silenced!
Drop Parks - there's no point in playing him if we believe our 3/4 line has a bit of pace and penetration about it. I'd go with Paterson just 'cause he's got a bit of gumption about him...and does work well in broken play.
97

Lederblix,

04/02/2008 18:09:42
For Wales - seems to be general agreement that Blair should be definite at 9, De Luca should stay as should Walker. De Luca needs, ideally, experienced guys on both sides of him. So we need an experienced and calm inside centre - who?? don't think we've got anyone like that. - and maybe for this match Paterson should be outside him? Front five probably to remain (but need motivating); hopefully Taylor will be fit, Hogg back, White to remain, but on probation... It looked at brief (very brief maybe) moments as if that team could perform well (e.g. demolishing the French scrum), so wholesale changes may be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. How do you get guys to perform for 80 minutes? Maybe we need a team hypnotist to get these guys to believe in themselves.
98

F.D.L.,

Picture the scene: 04/02/2008 18:10:50
Frankie : Er Chris what did you think about Saturday?
Mossy: Not much Frank, still wondering why you dropped me for Niki Walker
Frankie: aye son, I was a wee bit hastie there
Mossy: Really , I didn't notice , but 67,000 others did.
Frankie: So where do you want to play this Saturday son ?
Mossy: Gloucester !
Frankie: Oh! er um!, but we've got the Welsh
Mossy: What dae you mean we , I've got a job at the end of the 6 Nations.
99

billymac,

Ireland 04/02/2008 18:19:27
As long as you keep Parks at 10 it doesn't matter who you put in the other 3/4 positions because:
1. They won't get the ball very often
2. When they do get the ball, the pass will be at shoulder height or around their knees or so slow that the opposition will have them well marked
3. The long cut out pass to the winger will immediately get rid of an potential overlap we might have
4. The opposition will charge down a kick/intercept a pass and score
5. Parks will never make a break himself so the opposition will never have to keep on their toes
6. We will never get to throw the ball around and play attacking rugby
7. We will play the most boring rugby in the 6N (along with Italy)
100

Steve Evans,

Malta 04/02/2008 18:20:26
Feels good to be Welsh watching your postings don't forget there will be warm welcome to the Scots travelling to Cardiff. Look forward to the posts next Monday !!!
101

Andrew Allan,

04/02/2008 18:28:39
Look at Newzealand, Australia, South Africa, England, Ireland, Wales, France, Argentina..etc..., and generally these rugby nations can say they have a style of play to fall back on when training,why is it our nation of Scotland not have one, and is this the reason we have no chance really of taking the big boys on when they are playing at their best, or even when they are even half as good as they can, ref. Sunday's game against the French.
102

johnnyscotsman,

Its so Vriesy No.33 04/02/2008 18:38:56
Thom Evans a Glasgow regular & the fastest rugby player in Scotland

Graeme Morrison a huge centre maybe hasn't fulfilled his once bright potential but the reason we need new faces is we SIMPLY DO NOT SCORE TRIES.

Hadden seems to enjoy making the point re the supposed suspect defence of De Luca, why doesn't he be positive???? IMO DE Luca is potentially the most exciting scottish centre of the last decade, what he needs is not having donkeys inside him.

Carter / McAllister, Hook / Henson, James / Steyn, Larkham / Giteau & to see what we have would bring a tear to a glass eye.

Paterson is a must for Saturday, quite simply Parks isn't good enough
103

Angoose,

fife 04/02/2008 18:53:56
Having paid £60 x 2 plus lunch, transport and a Guinness or 2 this is a £200 day out The expectation was to see at least the basics be executed............yet again, this seems to be a big ask. Hadden should go. France didnt play that well. White is overrated, and should have captaincy removed.
It's not all bad though!!! Congratulations to the groundsmen who had the pitch in perfect condition. It was the only positive I can take from Murrayfield yesterday.
Bring on Robinson!!
104

Alain Paddy d'Poontangue l'Honky-Tonque O'Rolland,

04/02/2008 19:03:07
Haw hee haw....you wait mes amis, I will be refereeing you versus Ireland too!

I am French after all.
105

Dorfl,

South 04/02/2008 19:04:04
When is the team for next weekend announced?
106

Scunner,

Ellon 04/02/2008 19:08:10
Maybe Hadden is saving his best players for the match against our fellow wooden spoon contenders!! If we finish bottom again then Hadden must go.
107

Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 19:12:39
What do we have to do to make sure Rolland never referees another match again? Parks on the bench Patterson on the field; deluca selling ice cream; haddon back at school and we'll be fine!
108

Edinburgh Pete ,

04/02/2008 19:31:25
Five pressing priorities for you this week Frank otherwise Cardiff will be a nightmare;

1) Sort out the leadership of the team.
2) Sort out the back row & locks.
3) Sort out 10
5) Sort out the attacking game plan
4) Sort out the defensive calamities that are the kicks into the 22 (Alan Tait are u watching - It is a joke and we lose a try every time now)

Our key failing at the moment is leadership
What the hell did the coaches say to the team at half time because whatever it was it didn't work - we played worse. Where was Big Jas's leadership on the pitch or anyone else for that matter because at no time did anyone show any and the team's discipline deteriorated throughout the 80 minutes.

This needs to be sorted - we need leaders on the pitch, a better game plan and we should only pick players who are fit and on form.

Solutions
Bring Hogg back and make him or Hines captain.
Pains me to say it but White is not on form or fully fit for 6 therefore bring in Strocksoch who will add more to the back row and either use JW as lock or bench him.
Hamilton should be dropped as he is not fit
Drop the permanent kicking strategy and with it Parks and bring in Godman to start at 10.
Henderson’s stupidity means likely change at 12 meaning either playing players out of position or drafting in Houston our only reg playing 12 now.
Paterson to replace Lamont at Fullback - Evans on the wing

I also suggest rather than watching yesterday's horror show you watch some Edinburgh DVDs and spend time with Robinson. Then just maybe you will see how to re-build this side's confidence and skills, to get them performing the basics right which will then allow you to play an attacking game you supposedly aspire to that can score tries.

Team for Wales: Jacobsen, Ford, Murray, Hines, Mcleod, Strockosch, Barclay, Hogg, Blair, Godman, Evans, Houston. De Luca, Walker, Paterson
Bench: Southwell, Cairns and Lawson / Brown, Kellock or White, Thomson and either
109

MT,

04/02/2008 19:44:51
I cant beleive Im saying this but maybe it would be good to get the wooden spoon again...surely it would spell the end of Hadden?
110

Sinibaldi,

Italy 04/02/2008 19:54:41
El sendero de la vida.

Éste es el dulce
y tímido sendero
de la vida, aquí
la silente tristeza
del sol reside beata
como franca armonía,
y éste es el sueño,
el amor embelesado
que canta en la flor.

Francesco Sinibaldi

http://slovensko.com/forum/read.php?13,48384
111

JT,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 20:07:03
After the elation of seeing Wales beat England not snatch victory from them as the English media reported, I was really confident that we would win. How wrong was I!!! Their first try thanks to the officials and noone mentions the interference from French players on Henderson who wrongly retaliated. The "Irish" ref was so unbelievably biased. Moaning over the French were incredibly fluid and kept the ball in hand, something that Scotland rarely did. Ok Frank got the kicker wrong (the cheers that went up when Paterson warmed up should have been enough). I cant understand why Parks played like a muppet when for Glasgow he cant go wrong. The whole team played like muppets. Hogg and Paterson must start next week.
112

gallman,

north 04/02/2008 20:34:51
Frank Hadden said 'everyone has their own favourites' - maybe a prelude to sticking with the same squad for Wales.

Sorry Frank but it’s not about favourites – it’s about recognising the players who can make a difference at international level.

Lievremont took a risk by trusting his instinct to recognise these qualities and was rewarded.

Persisting with big slow players and a kicking stand-off played right into French hands and the Welsh will be hoping for more of the same.

Hadden must address the lack of pace and creativity in the middle 5 - Blair excepted. He must call time on Parks and for the rest of the 6N go with Paterson and Blair as first choice with Godman and Lawson as back-up.

Leaving Hogg out was a major gaffe and Beattie also deserves a place in the Cardiff squad - ie Brown and Callam out - too slow too ordinary.

White's a big tackler when he gets there but he doesn't have the speed for back row and his hands let him down regularly. Taylor was immense at 6 and when he returns White should go to second row or utility benchman.

De Luca will produce the goods when he settles down and has Paterson or Godman inside him.
113

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 04/02/2008 22:25:40
Mad people,
Even the French admitted to good fortune. Doesn't stop the whining though eh?

Hadden is there and that's that until it is very clear that he is failing and that is not the case.

The Scottish lack of gumption goes well back. Most of it done by Geech and his whiteboard obsession.

Have a good look at themselves and go out and play like men. That's all that's needed.
114

Dinas Powys Poser,

Wales 04/02/2008 22:52:56
I would not be too disheartened Scotland as there were some highlights at Murrayfield. You were beaten because of some mediocre defensive play in not making the ball safe. The positives were: Driving the French pack back at a rate of knots at the set scrum, the offloading of the ball in the tackle between the forwards and Hines all round presence is a big plus for Cardiff. You must mix it up a bit and not always drive close to the maul / ruck. Your openside No7 is a real find. I think you have at least an evens chance. You need Patterson who is a competitor and winner, somewhere in the team to inspire the backs. The shame is that he is an impact player for Gloucester and can he handle 80 minutes??
A warm welcome awaits all you fans in Wales [as always] and then there's also the rugby!!!
115

Richard Moorhouse,

05/02/2008 00:24:25
It's started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7227546.stm

Not gaydar website's Chief Inspector of the Month.

Not a comedian with a twitch posing beside the recovered crime haul.

Not a Polis shoplifting jackets from Harvey Nicks.

GROW UP, PEOPLE.
116

knievel2,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 08:45:23
Paterson for 10. Southwell to 15...simple

our boring kicking donkey has had his day (too many times??)
117

Alain Paddy d'Poontangue l'Honky-Tonque O'Rolland,

05/02/2008 09:40:04
Parks definitely deserved his award at RWC 2007, but for what Scotland need right now he's probably the wrong guy.
118

billymac,

Ireland 05/02/2008 09:56:07
To all those inclined to stick with Dan Parks at 10, here is an instructional video (not the greatest quality I admit), showing how to score a try when you're playing at stand off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVDLJ91eW0.

Oh, and for the benefit of Frank Hadden, the guy doing the scoring is called Chris Paterson.
119

Red Dykes,

HIGHLANDS 05/02/2008 11:28:35
Parks - No arguements - He's not up to internatinal rugby - Ask Australia - Nick De Luca: looked like a wee boy or a rabbit in the headlights..........Hadden hasn't a clue and neither will the team til he goes.....He's heading for the last useless incumbent's record of non-achievement
120

ivor biggin,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 21:02:51
was thinking of other options in some positions...
10...patterson,godman,blair
12.dewey,law,houston

 

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