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Scotland's fate unfolds at World Cup draw



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Published Date: 01 December 2008
SCOTLAND will today learn their 2011 World Cup fate when the draw for the tournament is made in London, after being left on a collision course with a southern hemisphere heavyweight and one from Wales, England, France, and Ireland.
The autumn internationals saw Scotland slip from the second tier of seeds to the third tier for the first time, meaning that Scotland's qualifying group in New Zealand will include two other major nations – with only two teams from each group qualifying for the next stage of the competition.

New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, and Argentina are in the top pot of seeds. Wales, England, France and Ireland are in the second pot, and Scotland, Fiji, Italy, and Tonga are in the third pot, completing the list of 12 pre-qualified teams.

The remaining two bands will comprise eight countries yet to qualify, but should eventually include sides like Samoa, Canada, Georgia and Japan.

One country from each band will form four groups of five for the 20-team tournament.

There has been some criticism of the decision to formulate the New Zealand 2011 draw based on world rankings almost three years before the event.

But Kit McConnell, head of Rugby World Cup 2011, said: "The draw is very important for us because from there we can develop the match schedule, we can select team base camps and we can also develop the ticketing strategy for the tournament. Those three elements are really critical to putting the building blocks in place early enough to make 2011 the same success as we saw in France (2007].

"By having certainty about which teams are playing which other teams in each pool, we can develop the match schedule. That is obviously of critical importance to the teams and also the supporters to know who is playing which other teams when, and where, and we will be announcing that in March, so that is really the next key step in the tournament preparations."

The city of Dunedin is hoping that today's draw sends Scotland their way. Founded by the Free Church of Scotland in 1848, and known as the Edinburgh of the South – Dunedin is the gaelic name for Edinburgh – the city is part of the 'South of the South' bid which comprises Otago and Southland. Bid activists have indicated that Scotland are the team they are most keen to host during the tournament in three years' time.

Speaking in London ahead of today's pool draw, Martin Snedden, chief executive for the IRB Rugby World Cup 2011 New Zealand, says that until all the draws are complete it is difficult to know which teams will be allocated to which region.

"If things fall the right way then it would make sense to put Scotland in Dunedin but looking at it another way, the Scots know Dunedin well so they might be better based somewhere else.

"Wherever they are they will get an incredibly friendly welcome from whatever community they're based in, they need have no fears, all regions will have their time in the sun."

Each of the four pools drawn today will correspond to one of four areas of New Zealand: the top half of the north island, the bottom half of the north island, the south island and a national pool. A total of 16 venues throughout the country have been nominated from the 12 regions.

Auckland's Eden Park, currently being upgraded to a 60,000-seater stadium, will host the semi-finals and third-place play-off match, while Wellington and Christchurch will each host two quarter finals. Dunedin is also to shortly decide whether to go ahead with building a new 29,000-seat covered stadium to replace Carisbrook, which currently holds 30,000.

FACT BOX

BAND 1 New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Argentina.

BAND 2 Wales, England, France, Ireland.

BAND 3 Scotland, Fiji, Italy, Tonga.

BAND 4 Oceania 1, Europe 1, Europe 2, Americas 1.

BAND 5 Africa 1, Asia 1, Americas 2, Play-off winners.

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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2008 9:58 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

leemagee,

Perth 01/12/2008 02:00:23
Nice to see it isn't just the SRU that are inept. The NZRU need 3 years to plan the schedules...man those match day programs are obviously going to be like the yellow pages!!
It is nice for the players to know where they will be playing their games, given that they all know who will make their respective national squads for the tournament. We are all aware that injuries and drops in form never happen within 3 years of a world cup.
I'm just relieved that Germany never make it to the world cup; can you imagine how smelly their towels will be after lying in their seats for 3 years?
2

Sandy Sahara,

Sahara 01/12/2008 03:25:45
At least Scotland will be involved in two quality matches before they get eliminated and it will certainly stop Hadden (if he's still around) from putting out a weakened team against e.g the All Blacks.
3

Dick the Dog,

Jakarta 01/12/2008 05:36:44

Let's look on the bright side, Tonga and Fiji both stepped up to the plate in a big way at the last RWC, and their head hunting tackling practices are infamous. Based on this draw , we miss both of them. We might prefer to have Ireland or the Argies, or better still the English to face in group play rather than these Islander chappies, who have a habit of winning the big ones or coming close in RWC games.

It might also mean a few more of our guys stay fit for the tournament as a whole, as tackling and being tackled by Pacific Islanders brings a whole new meaning to the word 'pain'.

Also good to see the Kiwi's are in maximum profit mode - " Dunedin is also to shortly decide whether to go ahead with building a new 29,000-seat covered stadium to replace Carisbrook, which currently holds 30,000 " - err.....doesn't that mean less people and therefore less income ??
4

Kiwiarab,

Christchurch New Zealand 01/12/2008 07:45:21
#3

Carisbrook may have a capacity of 30,000 but most of that is uncovered and standing. The proposed new staduim while (maginally) lower in overall capacity will be all-seated and all covered. So overall income will go up...and quite substantially. That answer your question? Besides a 29,000 all seated staduim is not bad for a city with roughly the population of Falkirk.
5

jamurai,

01/12/2008 13:44:55
The key will be if we can get Argentina or not...there is every chance they will be guff again in three years. Plus Wales or Ireland- we generally compete better against them than England or France.
6

Lederblix,

01/12/2008 15:08:31
scotland to play England and Argentina in Pool B.....could be worse.
7

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/12/2008 15:14:23
Dam right!!! This is about the best we could hope for. I dont think England will get any worse than they are at present so we should be looking to knock off the Pumas
8

Lederblix,

01/12/2008 15:24:08
Quite right Doc M - and avoid banana skins. So much can happen in the interim.....incidentally it would have been ironic if we'd been drawn against Ireland, which could equally have happened if we'd beaten the Boks and our stream positions had been reversed.
9

Lederblix,

01/12/2008 15:37:44
try http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/draw/live.html
10

Doc Martin,

Dundee 01/12/2008 16:18:04
IMO... I (hope) feel that Argentina might struggle to maintain their current ranking. We will have to beat either them or England and I would never really be that confident of us beating England in a RWC.... you also have to feel that MJ will get them into a tight unit and they will be very formidable in 3 years
11

Lederblix,

01/12/2008 17:11:31
Not sure about MJ as a coach - inspirational and brilliant leader on the field, but remain to be convinced about his coaching at that level
12

Aligator,

01/12/2008 20:54:26
Really GREAT draw for Scotland. We always raise our game to beat England and IF that game is in Dunedin thats worth 9 points to us already - thanks to local support. Maybe we need a 2009/10 Scotland tour to NZ/South Island to build even more support out there. As for Argentina we have beaten them once and can do so again. Now Hadden and his coaching team have a clear 3-year goal for team selection and playing schedules over the next 3 years. Semi-finals (al least) should be the goal and everything they do from now on should now be linked to that. Achieve that and many things will come right for rugby in Scotland. I am an optimist, unlike many who comment here and strongly believe that Scottish success in the RWC is possible with the right positive attitude from all concerned.

 

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