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Scots sides signal intention to be a Celtic force



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
EDINBURGH and Glasgow secured their own and Scotland's best-ever finish to the Magners League on Saturday and confirmed their arrival as a serious force in Celtic rugby.

The secret, according to Sean Lineen, the Glasgow coach, is putting the professional teams before Scotland, and learning the real value of hard work.

"That has been the difference," he said yesterday, having arrived back at Prestwick Airport and
headed straight for a mini-rugby tournament in Glasgow. "This team is beginning to mean a lot to Glasgow and I'm very proud of what the players have achieved, for themselves, for the club, for this city and Scottish rugby as a whole.

"I don't think people realise how difficult it is for Scottish teams to compete with clubs as big as Munster, Leinster, Cardiff, the Ospreys – the finances they have, the sponsors, the crowd figures. But we're beginning to build something and finishing with five wins in a row, three away from home, is a confident statement.

"But it's what they have learned that will make the difference going forward now. We now have a bunch of lads who want to play first for Glasgow and then for their country second; that understand pro rugby is about training hard and performing week in, week out for their club, and then gaining the rewards and caps that may come later, as opposed to thinking the caps are theirs by right and that the club is just where they play between internationals.

"That might not seem a big thing to some people, but it's a crucial change. There is some real talent there, a special group, but they are realising how much work they have to put in to compete at this level, and the rewards you get for it. They are also starting to develop the experience teams like Munster have in abundance – the knowledge of how to win playing badly.

"I'm delighted for Edinburgh as well and, hopefully, this finish to the season by both of us can help take our game forward."

After successive seasons where both sides competed well, but dropped off during and at the end of league campaigns, the Scots finally ended strongly on Saturday night.

Glasgow defeated an almost full-strength Munster 21-18, in their last dress rehearsal for the Heineken Cup final, while Edinburgh notched the double over Llanelli, last year's Heineken Cup semi-finalists.

What made the results particularly special was both came away from home in front of two of the most passionate home crowds in the leagues, and backed up away wins achieved the previous week.

For the first time since the tri-nations league was created in 2003-04, both Scottish teams finished among the top five with Edinburgh in a new high of fourth – only missing out on third on points difference to Munster, who grabbed a bonus in defeat – and Glasgow a first-ever fifth spot.

The achievement of two sides with the funding levels that rate them only above Connacht, at the foot of the table, is welcome proof that Scottish sides can punch above their weight.

Also, when one casts a closer eye back through the league season, and the disappointing defeats when the sides allowed themselves to drop off the pace, the potential of these relatively young squads is exciting.

Both teams scored 39 tries, a ratio pleasingly closer to two per match than one, with Glasgow the fourth highest points-scoring side and Edinburgh seventh in the league, and Edinburgh the fourth best at keeping sides out and Glasgow sixth.

Rob Moffat, Edinburgh's backs coach, admitted: "We're pleased to have the tries spread out across the team, but one thing I would like to see next season is an Edinburgh try-scorer hitting double figures.

"But that's the beauty of now, being able to look ahead from a position where I think both Scottish sides can be pretty pleased.

"From our point of view, the team spirit has been probably the biggest single factor, from the guys everybody knows really well to those who don't start every week – particularly those guys actually, whose work ethic has really underpinned the improvement.

"There is no doubt Andy (Robinson] has made a big difference this season, but the team spirit has really been the crucial thing.

"We have a good number of players who have stepped up to the plate, many guys everyone knows, but also the work and ethic what you might call squad players have brought has underpinned the rise.

"Jim Hamilton and Chris Paterson coming in this summer will strengthen the squad and players who have come through this year will be stronger. Winning three and drawing one in Wales is a fair achievement.

"It's been a very positive season and one which allows us all – players, coaches, supporters and sponsors – to genuinely look forward to next season. But nobody will be sitting back saying 'it's great we're fourth'; we'll be kicking on next season."

Glasgow are heading to France for a pre-season tournament involving Sale, Clermont Auvergne and Perpignan, while Edinburgh play Wasps at home and Bath away, one of whom could by then be Guinness Premiership champions as the two square-off in the semi-finals of that tournament next weekend.

Things are looking up for the Scottish teams.





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  • Last Updated: 11 May 2008 9:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

leemagee,

Perth 12/05/2008 06:10:55
It's a shame that the SRU won't put financial backing behind the pro teams as they do punch above their weight. I know that they have financial troubles but, anyone will tell you, you have to spend money to make money. If he could get Edin/Glas into the HC quarters regularly then we would start to see money coming back in...not to mention improved ticket sales. But we don't have the money I guess...especially as the bufties who are in charge seem to spend most of the SRU money on improving their salaries. Hadden will eventually be moved upstairs to get a 100,000 a year salary doing who knows what, along with the rest of them. All McKie seems to do is make press statements about how we need to win 2 out of 5 6N games etc. I quite fancy his job!
On a brighter note, Hadden has selected Parks again at 10. With this selection policy, we will be seeded 12th for the WC and Paterson will retire in 2 years wondering what his career would (should) have been like had he remained in the position that made him a hero at Gala.
I only hope that when Lineen gets the job he selects the young stars who have proven themselves for Glasgow and Edinburgh this year...
2

leemagee,

Perth 12/05/2008 06:14:15
1 - Chunk
2 - Ford
3 - Lowe
4 - Kellock
5 - McLeod
6 - Strokosch
7 - Barclay
8 - Hogg
9 - Blair
10 - Paterson
11 - T.Evans
12 - De Luca
13 - Cairns
14 - S Lamont
15 - R Lamont
16 - Kerr
17 - Hall
18 - Hines
19 - Lawson
20 - Godman
21 - Dewey
22 - Webster/Danielli/M.Evans

Thought guys??
3

Animal82,

12/05/2008 08:24:12
Looks good but I would have Hines in the starting line up instead of Kellock.
Shame you couldnt find a spot for Parks. He must be allowed to get his 50 caps....??????????
4

Scota Nostra,

12/05/2008 08:41:54
Anybody know the dates and location of Glasgow's pre-reason tour to France? I would like to be there to see how thet will shape up for the new season.
5

AlastairS,

12/05/2008 09:36:47
I would suggest the following changes to 2 team. Euan Murray has been excellent for Scotland and should be in as should Hines. I would play Webster before S Lamont. Finally I would play Godman at 10. He has had an outstanding season with several MOM or close to MOM performances. On the other hand (place kicking apart) can someone tell me when the last time Patterson had an outstanding game for either club or country. Hadden did not pick him as a first choice 10 but nor did Wiiliams, Blackadder nor Gloucester
6

KD,

12/05/2008 10:22:16
No.2- looks good to me
7

snudge,

12/05/2008 10:26:24
Can someone tell me why Patterson gets put in everyones starting team.
He's hardly had any game time for Gloucster and when he has a start (against Munster Heinkan cup)he bottled and missed three kicks in front of the post.
Yes he can kick but why wouldn't we put a natural 10 like Godman in who has been outstanding for Edinbugh this season. Like wise even Parks would be a better choice - I hate to say it. A Player should be picked for form not reputation.
1. Chunk
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Hines
5. Kellock
6. Strokes
7. Taylor/Barclay
8. Hogg
9. Blair.
10.Goders
11.T Evans
12.De Luca
13.Cairns
14.R. Lamont
15.Southwell


Fresh team what Scotland need.
8

J.A.,

12/05/2008 11:40:38
#7
Paterson is one of the few class players Scotland has produced over the last decade. Having said that, he is lost on the wing, he has missed his chance as a fly half but he is by far a better option than Southwell at fullback even though he will never be a dominant tackler. At international level, he is one of the most consistent goalkickers the game has ever seen.
9

ronburgendy,

Kirkcaldy 12/05/2008 12:21:14
1. Chunk
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Hines
5. Murray
6. Strok
7. Hogg
8. Taylor
9. Blair
10. Paterson
11. S. Lamont
12. De Luca
13. Cairns
14. T. Evans
15. Southwell
10

AlastairS,

12/05/2008 12:24:36
It is interesting how some players can do no wrong and some no right. Patterson has been unexceptional (apart from place kicking) for a number of years now, regardless of the position he plays. Parks was (rightly) pilloried for his performance against Italy. Pattersons first half performance aginst the All Blacks in the World Cup was even worse but went by without significant comment.
On the other hand Godman has a great season for Edinburgh and is still classed as second to Patterson above.
I wish Patterson well at Edinburgh but would like to point out that we have 2 good number 10s in Godman and Blair and that McRae is a good fullback in addition to Siuthwell so Patterson may not get much game time
11

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 12/05/2008 13:13:07
Interesting thread, Paterson is our most naturally gifted back & given games @ 10 he could still prove all his doubters.
Godman (& to that matter Parks) are pretty good club players but (in my opinion) are not international class.
#10 - I believe FH put Paterson @ 10 v NZ (in a 2nd XV scotland team) to "prove himself right" about the Parks v Paterson debate.

15.R.Lamont, 14.T.Evans, 13.Cairns, 12.DeLuca, 11.S.Lamont, 10.Paterson, 9.Cusiter, 8.Beattie, 7.Barclay, 6.Strokosch, 5,Hines, 4.Macelod, 3.Low, 2.Ford, 1.Jacobsen
Replacements - Morrison, Godman, Blair, R.Rennie, Hogg, Kerr, Thomson
12

AlastairS,

12/05/2008 14:07:59
11 comments surely prove my point. As far as I can remember Godman has played twice for Scotland. Had a good game against Roumania and had a kick charged down against Italy. Then seemed to be blamed for 2 interceptions both from Cusiter Who 11 has selected over Blair - can only assume he does not watch either Edinburgh or Scotland). Played this year for the A team which scored 15 tries in 2 games and is still written off as a good club player.
Patterson on the other hand went to Gloucester with a fanfare that he would now be able to show what he could do at number 10 and failed to make an impact Somehow apparently Frank Hadden is to blame. I repeat, kicking apart, when was the last time Patterson had an outstabding match at club or country level.
13

J.A.,

12/05/2008 14:31:55
#12 I think you will find that Godman has had more than just two caps, I remember watching him having a fair game against Wales.
Peterson’s chance of being selected at 10 has all but disappeared, however, it would be wrong to rule him out at 15 and I firmly believe he would be our best bet at that position. The little I’ve seen of Godman has shown that he has good hands and would certainly bring our mindfield into the game more (badly needed)
Who do you blame for Paterson not playing 10 through his career? Apart from Paterson himself who had an opportunity to come to the Borders when he was still in his early 20’s which would have guaranteed him a 10 shirt, I think Hadden has had a huge influence and has pretty much mismanaged his career from a coaching point of view.
14

Venachar,

12/05/2008 14:35:47
We are off the topic guys!

What happens to the performance levels of the two PRO teams during the Autumn Internationals and 6 Nations when the internationalists are taken out the teams.

Unless the SRU runs with two large squads the results of the PRO teams might well suffer. The good performance is what is getting people interested again.
So getting internationalists to come back to Glasgow and Edinburgh might be self defeating in the long run.
15

lostwanderer,

12/05/2008 17:54:57
I would imagine the performances would be similar to the season when there was a world cup and a six nations, like the one just finished!
16

The Laird of Kitakyushu,

12/05/2008 18:57:33
The clear implication of what Lineen is saying (if you ask me, and OK nobody did ;-) is that we need to have two really strong pro teams as a minimum before we can even talk about the national side being a force to be reckoned with. It sounds sensible to me, after all no house built on sand will endure any length of time.

It also explains Lineen's reluctance to be involved too soon at national level when there is so much still to do and achieve with Glasgow (and I bet Robinson feels the same about Edinburgh). A Celtic League 4th and 5th is great news, but surely there is more to come, and I for one am delighted that SL seems to think so.
17

jbascotinengland,

12/05/2008 20:03:17
Some good teams posted above but I agree that Godman should be given another chance ahead of Patterson, Parks has had enough chances so why not someone who has had a consistently good season for Edinburgh?

I think that Edinburgh signing Patterson and Jim Hamilton was a mistake. The team has performed far above everyones expectations this season and brought some young tallent into the limelight. They should be given a chance to show if they can keep developing and can compete now that everyone knows what they can do.

Finally, whatever went right with Edinburgh bringing these young guys on should be kept going and more young players should be given their chance rather than signing old or mediocre players just because they have Scotland caps.
18

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12/05/2008 22:19:56
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snudge,

13/05/2008 09:11:51
Good craic Jeremy Kyle.

 

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