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Published Date: 25 September 2008
HE COULD have kept his thoughts to himself, he could have shared them only with other players, he could have waited. But Colin Montgomerie went public with his views on the Ryder Cup yesterday – and Nick Faldo came out of it very badly.
Yards from the final green at The Belfry where once they were hugging each other as cup partners – the Quinn Insurance British Masters starts on the course today – Montgomerie smiled when the subject of Faldo's captaincy inevitably came up at a pre-tournament press conference.

And then the words started flowing from the man who after not being given a wild card was an armchair critic for the first time since 1989.

"Certain things would have been done the same and certain things I feel I would have liked to have changed," said the former cup hero, who revealed that he makes notes every two years in readiness for what is expected to be his leadership of the side at Gleneagles in 2014.

Asked then if he felt as much for the captain as for the players, Montgomerie replied: "Goodness me – oh dear.

"I feel for the players, I do, because I see them and I'm with them. I know what they have gone through and exactly how they feel coming home.

"To answer your question – I can't answer that question." Next it was how much he felt Faldo was responsible for the defeat and whether he got the best out of the team.

"Going as favourites – proper favourites – and to lose 16-11 it's very difficult for me to say.

"I know from hearing from some of the guys and some of what went on that possibly, possibly not.

"The line-up of the singles was very important being 9-7 down. Very important. It had to be absolutely bang-on right."

Faldo gambled by putting top scorer Ian Poulter, most experienced player Lee Westwood and Open and PGA champion Padraig Harrington in the last three positions.

They became irrelevant to the outcome of the match because the Americans started the session so well and had victory in the bag with four games (Graeme McDowell was involved in the other) still out on the course.

"It occurred to me that unfortunately Poulter and Westwood and Harrington are possibly our three strongest players and they might not – might, but might not – be included in the final shake-up," added Montgomerie.

"If they had been playing higher up they absolutely would have been included in the shake-up of what happened."

Montgomerie in the team meeting could have had the presence of mind to remind everyone else of the 2002 match at The Belfry when Tiger Woods was out last for the Americans and was still playing when Europe were celebrating. "Number 12 (deciding the issue] has happened once in the whole history of the Ryder Cup since 1927," said Montgomerie.

"Once in the whole history of the Ryder Cup has number 12 ever mattered and it was (Bernhard] Langer in 1991 against Hale Irwin. That's the only time that number 12 has mattered."

Actually, that is the only time since Europe started taking on the Americans where that was the case. Everything also hung, of course, on Tony Jacklin's halved match with Jack Nicklaus in 1969.


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  • Last Updated: 24 September 2008 11:25 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ryder Cup
 
1

jerrymanders,

25/09/2008 00:20:08
Fight, fight, fight, fight........round the bike sheds after school. They really don't get on that pair, do they?
2

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 25/09/2008 03:21:01
I thought Colin Montgomery was very mild in his comments and don't think he was hinting really. The press were expecting a 'yes' 'no' answer. He was quite evasive and neutral in fact.
Faldo was an unmitigated disaster and that folk are trying to defend him in such a way he could be in the mix for the next one (unlikely but possible). He has SFA leadership skills and the strategic brain of a 2year old. Good players do not always make good captains.This is one such case.
3

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25/09/2008 03:39:49
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25/09/2008 04:53:33
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arthurscross,

25/09/2008 05:16:08
"He has SFA leadership skills and the strategic brain of a 2year old." and " Faldo was an embarrassment. " and "Lyle or Woosie for regaining the cup."

Monty has shown no leadership skills and his strategic brain is not as good as a 2 year old. He did nothing to deserve to be selected this season and took the huff and spat the dummie. Lyle ran away when it rained and he could not cope with a bad 1st round in the OPEN and yet you think he could cope with the pressure of captaincy. Woosie? Do you think the americans would choose Daly for Captain?
6

Continental,

25/09/2008 05:23:53
Load of nonsense re the singles order. It wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference where Harrington, Westwood, Garcia and Jiminez were played in the order they would still have lost their matches. It was clear as day that those four were completely off form for the 3 days, not just in the singles.
7

eDUCATIon,

25/09/2008 05:38:36
Harrington has a massive 1 (thats one) point from 2 Ryder Cups. Hardly our best player!
8

Pilrig,

Livingston 25/09/2008 05:46:50
6 - I bet when Azinger learnt of Faldo's order of play for the singles he thought something in the lines of "Thank's, Nick"
9

CALEDONIACO,

25/09/2008 06:17:14
I for one will NEVER forgive him!
10

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 25/09/2008 07:45:38
From what I have heard/read I believe that neither Faldo nor Montgomerie are the nicest people on the planet.
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25/09/2008 08:13:47
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steveenglandandGB,

25/09/2008 08:53:16
Well it was clear that Monty WAS blaming Faldo, he was just trying to be a clever smart ass. Faldo is selfish, and not a team leader, doubtless also not the nicest of people, but I wouldn't be handing out 'balanced, unselfish, nice' awards to Monty either.

This singles conversation is utterly ridiculous. Harrington was absolutely knackered and off form, Westwood the same. It was far from guaranteed that either would win their matches, let alone both.

The fault lies with Harrington as much, he couldn't face being put out first and not being in 'the thick of it' when it 'really counted'. Harrington is another self obsessed non team player. 1 pt from two Ryder Cups!

Next captain of Ryder Cup? Well I did want Sandy Lyle but having said that he did throw a tantrum and storm off after 9 holes of the British Open. Does that meant that if are losing 3-1 after the morning pairings in Ryder Cup 2010, he'll be getting a taxi to the airport to get out of Wales?



13

Toast,

25/09/2008 09:01:05
Faldo was the maker of his own downfall,if he had insisted that Poulter and Casey qualified on merit he would have had some options with his "wild-cards" but as he has no consept of the word "team" he pandered to their egos and ended up with players who were suffering a dip in form.
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arthurscross,

25/09/2008 09:03:32
Excellent points
15

Big T,

25/09/2008 09:13:27
I see Monty was campaigning hard for Sandy Lyle to be Captain in Wales next time round.

Doing Sandy a favour?

Or getting a rival out of the way to give Monty a clear run to the captaincy at Gleneagles??
16

Johnny Jambo,

25/09/2008 09:33:49
I was not aware that only once was the last singles match ever in the mix for the cup, surely Nick Faldo knew that also when he made his selection and never took it into account, i said it at the time and I will say it a gain, this singles selection was very strange and I think because of it we lost the Ryder Cup.
17

Mackie,

Leith,The Home of Golf 25/09/2008 10:58:50
#15 Exactly.
It is quite feasible that A Scotsman would be the logical pick of a Captain for the European Ryder Cup team at Gleneagles 2014, and Sandy Lyle's name is quite attractive in view of his profile.
CM is the only person who is to be quoted mentioning his own name in association with the Captaincy of the European Ryder Cup team at Gleneagles 2014.
No one else! (If there is anyone else mentioning this, I'm yet to hear of it)

"Certain things would have been done the same and certain things I feel I would have liked to have changed," said the former cup hero, who revealed that he makes notes every two years in readiness for what is expected to be his leadership of the side at Gleneagles in 2014". - Expected by whom and proposed by whom?

"To answer your question – I can't answer that question." - ?

"Going as favourites – proper favourites – and to lose 16-11 it's very difficult for me to say. I know from hearing from some of the guys and some of what went on that possibly, possibly not". - Spit it out man!

As has been reported, Garcia (huge disappointment) Harrington and Westwood were very disapointing at Valhalla.
Coupled with Poulters surprising, but top scoring (of both sides) performance, any criticism of the Captain falls into either the "sour grapes" category or can be attributed to the "I hate Nick Faldo" or the "Anti English" factor, neither of which are suitable attributes.

One wonders what fellow players on the European Tour think of all this self absorbed and obsessed politicking!


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steveenglandandGB,

25/09/2008 11:21:00
Faldo is temperamental, unpopular and self obsessed.

Anyone care to tell me which one of those three statements is not true of Monty?
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steveenglandandGB,

25/09/2008 11:42:37
Monty mentions that Sandy Lyle is the last of the Big Five Major winners not to captain European Ryder Cup Team, he also seems intent on a Scot captaining in Scotland (makes sense). Therefore may I propose a Scottish major winner who will be about the right age at that time, PAUL LAWRIE, as captain in 2014.

Any views?
20

Mackie,

Leith, The Home of Golf 25/09/2008 12:11:03
#20
Aye, that's a fair shout!
Or Sandy, who is a nice laid back character, seems pleasant enough, doesn't play infantile mind-games in the press, throw strops at media and fans and self obsess by behavioural default.
I think he would be a very pleasant captain in the warm, idyllic September sunshine in splendid rural Perthshire in 2014....
21

steveenglandandGB,

25/09/2008 12:21:02
#21, yes I agree :) Shame no one from the press conference with Monty was sharp enough to say "so how about Paul Lawrie in 2014", that would really have diverted Monty from his anti Faldo blast.

I do agree however that Faldo was never going to be a good captain, but i just think my fellow compatriot Lee Westwood needs to share the flak as he didn't perform, as well as Harrington and Garcia. Faldo was part of the problem but not the only reason why we lost.

I bet Monty was supporting USA just so he could have the pleasure of destroying Faldo in the press Conference. Childish nonsense from a supposed 'team man'.

Give it to Lyle in 2010, Olly in 2012, Lawrie in 2014.

Personally I think Mark James was the worst ever captain we had. Awful decisions, destroying the team ethos by not playing three players at all until he had to.

However, he gets away with it because he was a loser as a player too, and the British press just love a gallant loser! Faldo although obnoxious was a winner, and the Press just can't seem to accept the fact he was a match for them.
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Mackie,

Leith, The Home of Golf 25/09/2008 12:38:58
#22, It has shades of Anti Faldo alright, but it's more because of the "Me, me, me" - self promoting campaign, with the Faldo issue just being a further opportunity for self promotion.
I suspect that other players on the tour, who cannot speak out as they do not want to become embroiled in an on-going "Barney" with CM, harbour private feelings about him (CM).

And a good point about being a Ryder Cup Team man as well!
Many have questioned whether, after not being picked by Faldo (despite relentless pressure exerted on Faldo for months by CM himself), CM would be cheering on the European side or not!
After all, there is no higher cause in CM's life than the Ryder Cup is there?

And there was the wee incident when Woosie asked CM if he (Woosie) could take the captaincy of the GB Seve Trophy side (from CM) so as to give Woosie some experience of the format before the subsequent Ryder Cup.
As I remeber, he was given a flat"No".

That didn't seem to be very suportive of the European Ryder Cup cause at the time!
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Scoop in the City,

25/09/2008 13:34:52
#16. I was also unaware of the fact that the 12th match had only counted once. I hate to defend faldo - but maybe he WAS aware of that and that is precisely why he put Harrington out last - given his form and cup record. It does not explain why he put his other out of form player out first. Garcia was up against a superb opponent - but that is the worst I have seen him play.

For the next captain - Oli is the obvious candidate. Would have gone for Lyle - but we don't need a quitter.
24

Tuatha De Dannan,

25/09/2008 17:05:26
21 & 22 I take it from your comments you are all familiar with the "massive" Ryder Cup experience of Paul Lawrie!!

2014 is a long way off lets worry about the next one first, give it to Olazabal
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Tuatha De Dannan,

25/09/2008 17:08:12
Also meant to point out that the Americans played better than we did and deserved their win. The standard of golf at times was quite magnificent over the first couple of days.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 25/09/2008 18:12:56
nick the pr4cks biggest fault just wasnt playing players in wrong order, it was the fact unlike the americans he only took one assistant, ole, while the yanks took 20 people who were players and friends of the players so when the going got tough they had someone who knew them and the game of matchplay which is totally diferent from normal stroke play , i watched players like wilson, even garcia looking around for some help and guidance and there was no one aroundto help them give them abit of support it was just sir nick and his dodgy shades racing about in buggy
27

Cpt Caveman,

25/09/2008 18:33:57
Lyle 2010…yes. Olazabal 2012….yes…….Lawrie in 2014.....you must be joking. He has played in one Ryder Cup. Hell – lets pick Andrew Coltart.

The Capt must have deep experience in the Ryder Cup. Monty should get the chance to be Cpt. If he wins he is the hero and everything was great, if he looses all the press will say told you so - just like they are with Faldo. It must suck being a reporter wanting things to go wrong so you have a story.

If Langer, Seve, Torrance or Woosie had been Cpt this year we would have lost. What could they have done differently to change the events? Give Harrington. Garcia and Westwood a golf lesson? If your players are not playing well….you simply cannot win. The American side was not all that weak, look at how many of them are in the top 20 in the Fedex cup. They played great and deserved to win.

I cannot believe all the negative stuff about the singles…….Harrington played awful…..he would not have beaten anyone with his score. Westwood was the same, so was Garcia.

All the negative comments are from a bunch of sore losers that need to criticise when they loose. What happened to sportsmanship that we should all be proud of, shake the winners hand congratulate them. And try and get them next time.

Some of these comments have more place on an Old Firm string…….This is golf…….!!
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montys_the_man,

Glasgow 25/09/2008 20:32:25
Same old names out of the hat commenting as soon as Colin Montgomerie answers questions put to him by our media peeps.

Those people should be ashamed of the all of their anti-Montgomerie propaganda.

I for one would have been more than happy to see Monty out first man, chest puffed out, leading the troops into battle. Alright, he may not have been enough to make the difference but he would have given his all for the cause, unlike some of the players who did not seem overly concerned that we were losing the fight.

As for someone suggesting that maybe Monty wanted the Americans to win, get real eh! Does his Ryder Cup record mean nothing to you?
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Mackie,

Leith, The Home of Golf 26/09/2008 00:12:12
Ok, let's get back to square one.
The Quinn Insurance British Masters.
Colin Montgomerie - 9 over par.
Position - 4th last, 14 shots off the lead.
Comments?
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montys_the_man,

The real home of golf, not the pretend one! 26/09/2008 08:22:30
Mackie........ get a grip of yourself. You are the most anti-Monty t0@@er anywhere on these forums.

Your views are no longer valid or worth anything because they are so blinkered.
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Mackie,

Leith, The Home of Golf 26/09/2008 09:38:31
I presume you don't like the points made then?
Pretty weird calling someone blinkered with a name like Montys_the_man!
Do you still think Nick Faldo should have picked this has been/spent force to Valhalla to put the fear of death up Mr Kim (for example), or is this another point that you will sidestep and claim to be "No Longer Valid" ?

 

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