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Broadfoot joins Scots as injuries mount



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Published Date: 03 September 2008
MISGIVINGS over Scotland's trip to Macedonia at the weekend are likely to deepen with each report of a call-off, or injuries that threaten to incapacitate more members of George Burley's dwindling resources. David Weir's defection on Monday was followed yesterday by those of the third goalkeeper, David Marshall, and the Birmingham City striker, Garry O'Connor.
There are, in addition, doubts about the chances of the West Brom midfielder, James Morrison, and Preston left-back Callum Davidson being fit for the first match in the double-header that is completed against Iceland in Reykjavik next Wednesday. Both players, it is said, will be closely monitored over the next few days before a decision is taken on their availability.

There is a mischievous temptation to wonder if O'Connor's experience as a player with Lokomotiv Moscow – his place of work between leaving Hibernian and joining the English club – has left him with a black aversion to eastern Europe.

It was, after all, his failure to join the Scotland party that travelled to Kiev for the Euro 2008 qualifier against Ukraine in 2006 which caused his exile from the national team by a clearly offended Walter Smith. Subsequently re-instated by Smith's successor, Alex McLeish – now, coincidentally, his manager at Birmingham – O'Connor has now left Burley a man short in the striking department for the assignment in Skopje.

The former Hibs man's non-appearance is not exactly disastrous, and not merely because he is unlikely to have been a first choice in attack. With another four nominated forwards in the squad and Shaun Maloney – included among the midfielders, but capable of playing up front – Burley surely has sufficient numbers to cover for a match in which he is likely to play with a solitary striker.

The absence of Marshall, the former Celtic goalkeeper, is also not a serious blow, since he is only third choice behind Craig Gordon and Allan McGregor. Aberdeen's Jamie Langfield has been called up in place of the Norwich City shot-stopper. But the withdrawal of the vastly experienced Weir – the most-capped player in the squad with 62 – and his replacement by his Rangers team-mate, Kirk Broadfoot, called in yesterday, has left the central defence with a potentially vulnerable look.

Burley's preferred partnership of Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus are the only two with proper experience of the kind of task faced by the Scots over the course of the coming week. Their back-up comprises three novices, in the form of the twice-capped Christophe Berra of Hearts, Darren Barr of Falkirk – one appearance as substitute in the recent friendly against Northern Ireland – and the uncapped Broadfoot, who has been playing at right-back for his club.

Were either Caldwell or McManus, or both, to succumb to injury before or during either of the upcoming World Cup matches, a heavy burden would fall on one or more of the younger players.

Over the past few days, however, there has been a growing suspicion that Burley is in danger of 'spooking' some of his own players with his insistence on highlighting the difficulties they are likely to encounter with the high temperatures that prevail in Skopje at this time of year.

The national team manager has frequently referred to the heat – predicted to be around 33 degrees on Saturday afternoon – as though it will be a more formidable obstacle than the Macedonian players. It is perhaps time Burley turned to more positive aspects of his squad's capabilities in an attempt to induce self-belief.

It was a relief yesterday to hear Scotland's non-playing captain, Barry Ferguson, offer the opinion that a hot sun should be nothing like as fearful a factor as the manager has led us to believe. "I'm sure all the guys who are likely to start the match will have experienced similar temperatures, or even worse," said Ferguson, who confirmed that he is unlikely to be available until after Scotland's autumn campaign is completed with the home match against Norway next month. "I don't see the heat being a problem.

"I just wish I could be there, but it looks as though I won't be ready until November, when there is an international date free for a friendly match. I'm going to have a lot of work to do over the next six weeks to get the strength back in my calf muscle and then, if I can have a few games, I should be okay to return to the Scotland squad in November."

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  • Last Updated: 02 September 2008 11:01 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scotland's football team
 
1

Neutral Observer,

03/09/2008 00:12:25
I fear for Scotland under Burley. Not exactly an inspirational leader!

As for Broadfoot, really we are scraping the barrel with this guy likely to be in the team.
2

jerrymanders,

03/09/2008 00:21:21
#1

Bigfoot. Mythical creature that can't play fitba without serious backup, preferably five. Slow and cumbersome, but good for walking on snow. Yeti he still get's a game?


















ps They don't exist.
3

Neutral Observer,

03/09/2008 00:31:48
#3 Jerry

Well, this one does exist, but its easy to see why it is not recognised as such. Its wearing the outer skin of a carthorse!

According to George Burley, there is little chance of snow in the Former Yugoslav Republic of MACedonia as he expects his team to be exhausted before half time playing in temperatures of 33C+.
4

jerrymanders,

03/09/2008 00:35:11
#4

We've neigh chance then, unless the Ice Man Cometh?
5

Neutral Observer,

03/09/2008 00:46:56
#6 pundit

Did he outwit McGeady? I, like you, saw the game on TV and agree that Broadfoot had a good game in a Rangers team that generally outplayed Celtic in the midfield area and thus created opportunities for Broadfoot to lumber up the wing. But one good game in 10 does not make an international class player. If he gets a game he may be dreadfully exposed.
6

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 00:54:49
Clubfoot got the call?

Christ - better check my answering machine. George would have called me before considering Clubfoot.

I'm the wrong side of 40, I've partially torn an Achilles, I'm about a stone heavier than I should be, I get out of breath going up a flight of stairs these days, and I don't play for the minks or the currants.

Yet I should still be in the team ahead of Clubfoot.

SOFBTRC!
7

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 00:57:28
What do mean by "the other day"?
8

jerrymanders,

03/09/2008 00:57:55
#1,8

Despite being in his back pocket McGeady did manage to turn him and Davis inside out to cross for the Samaras goal. At International level I think that he could really be exposed. He is slower than Boyd, that is the problem. For both of them.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 02:59:25
#18

In order that people are aware of my deficiencies, I write about them.

Whereas to demonstrate yours ........ well, you just have to write.


SOFBTRC!
13

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:10:11
Seems to have piqued your interest though, eh?

Just can't help yourself.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:26:41
#24

And we haven't mentioned spelling as one of yours.

#25

In English, please.
15

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:40:27
You mean you don't know, even after it's been pointed out?

Dearie me.
16

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:45:27
#30

Which tinted glasses on you on?

(Please let me know what that means. Apparently you're the only one who would understand).

SOFBTRC!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:48:36
#31

I hadn't even begun the football argument yet.

Although if your trump card is "Kirk Broadfoot", I recommend you don't waste your time.

Actually, I recommend you don't waste my time.

And you missed an apostrophe.

SOFBTRC!
18

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 03:55:16
#35

Neither of the ugly sisters.

Why?
19

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 04:02:10
I support a team that knuckle-dragging uneducated Neanderthal bigots from Glasgow would call a diddy team.

Not that you're one of those, I'm sure.

But back on topic - I support a team where I don't have to be embarrassed by the behaviour of our board/players/fans on a regular basis. A team I can have pride in. A team, the supporters of which I'm proud to be associated with.

So as I said, neither of the ugly sisters.

Why?
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 04:13:05
There you go with those apostrophes again.

Or without them, I suppose.

Why would I be embarrassed to be a Hibs fan?

They've screwed the ugly sisters with several vastly inflated transfer fees over the past 2 or 3 seasons, haven't they?

And let's not forget - they are "Celtc's feeder club".

At least they remembered their apostrophe, eh?

SOFBTRC!
21

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 04:16:25
I'm afraid I have to toddle off to bed now, and will miss whatever gem of witty repartee you will undoubtedly counter with.

Night night.
22

huggs,

03/09/2008 06:13:36
hunt1t yourself and your boyfriend BTO have both slated Clubfoot in the past now he is great after having one good game?
You really dont have a clue do you?
Dont bother to reply not interested having a debate with someone who talks complete and utter buckfast fuelled p1sh
23

huggs,

03/09/2008 06:26:08
44 Liar you said he will be replaced as he is not good enough
24

huggs,

03/09/2008 06:40:49
#BTO Pot kettle black
You are never off the Hearts threads and have been at the centre of more than on Blank The PLank campaign due to your drivel
If you dont mind thats exactly what i will be doing from now on
BTP
25

billylion67,

cumbernauld 03/09/2008 06:41:41
Burley's preferred partnership of Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus are the only two with proper experience of the kind of task faced by the Scots over the course of the coming week. Their back-up comprises three novices, in the form of the twice-capped Christophe Berra of Hearts, Darren Barr of Falkirk – one appearance as substitute in the recent friendly against Northern Ireland – and the uncapped Broadfoot, who has been playing at right-back for his club.

Why has Burley allowed Rangers to walk all over him since he took the Scotland job? Weir calls off again!!! Celtic should protect their investments and interests this season, Mcmanus has an injury, and shouldn't be in the squad!! Burley is a joke, we have no chance of qualifying, a double header defeat should kill any misplaced optimism
26

Rouleur,

On ma bike 03/09/2008 07:11:41
Well done Kirk, your level of perfomances have improved dramatically from last season. I agree it is good to pick players who are on form so with Weir withdrawing I am worried about the mental state of Caldwell and McManus after the Hately'esque mauling they received from Rangers sixth choice striker. I don't think those two like it up 'em.
As for alternatives I thought Mark Wilson had an ok game but I suppose that was at left back and not in his favoured position. Also is Robbie Neilson not getting a game at the moment as he's pretty useful aswell.
As for all those Celtc fans complaining about Kirk's selection, I just don't understand it, I mean it's the Scotland squad he has been drafted into not Eire's....please explain.
27

arthurscross,

03/09/2008 08:07:24
Broadfoot? Why? He will be given yellow/red cards along with other rearrangers players for their illegal tackles or attempts at tackles by European Referees (sorry you are not in Europe) International Referees.
A European referee would have given Broadfoot a yellow card and foul against him for his mounting of Hesselink and not after the red card when he realised he was only levelling out the Cousin red card which was long overdue. If Hesselink's handbags was a red card then Thomson's tackle on Nakamura was a red.
Also if the review panel has been ordered by Smith and McVicar then they should also be ordered to examine the TV evidence of 25 approx players/officials in the technical areas after the first goal and the actions after every Rangers goal. They are the ones who by their actions could cause crowd trouble/riots, not Boruc's reaction to the obscene chanting by the whole Rangers support.
28

Rouleur,

On ma bike 03/09/2008 08:41:03
#52 Arthurcross....more like Cross arthur.

Celtc were second best and I am concerned about the mental state of the Celtc 5, will they recover in time for saturday? Will the Macedonian's have a pacy striker deemed surplus to requirements by their second biggest club to torment Caldwell and McManus? Will they have an imposing but inconsistant forward who will bully them?

Anyway Cross arthur not sure why you are getting so upset, as only McGeady will represent Eire in a fragile state of mind....being tormented by big Kirk must have taken its toll.
29

Alasdair,

03/09/2008 09:32:26
Come opn guys - put the Old Firm bickering aside for this.
Celtic fans - you don't need to slag BVroadfoot to have a go at Rangers. There's not a Rangers fan I know that thinks he's any good. He wasn't bad at the weekend, but "one swallow..." and all that jazz.

Rangers fans - don't get sucked into defending Broadfoot as a reaction. He's awful. You guys have bought really well this summer, and it only goes to reinforce the gulf in class between certain players.

But that's not where the problem ends: Most Celtic fans I know are regularly dismayed by both Caldwell and McManus's defending, and Burley thinks they could be the great partnership?? Is he blind?

Berra plays alright in every second game for Hearts, and often posts missing, and as for Barr... em, is it just me or are Falkirk bottom of the SPL with the worst defensive record?

I realise all the above is overly negative, but it's just the way I feel at the moment. Why should the likes of Wright at Killie bother, when there's no recognition for players that are playing out their skin? Not a goal dropped this season. The same could apply to Considine at Aberdeen, who is in the form of his career, but don't expect to see him anywhere other than the under-21s.
30

Alasdair,

03/09/2008 09:55:52
Really? You're the first I've heard say so. He looked lost in a whole host of games, and doesn't seem able to read the game.

Also - if your own fans call you Clubfoot, and you repeatedly get done for taking foul throw-ins, something's not right.
31

Skiver,

03/09/2008 09:57:52
Plenty of knuckledraggers on today.

Let's just give Burley a chance - anything less than four points from the two games and any criticism will be deserved.

Plenty of fans of the ugly team on gloating after Broadfoot's performance on Sunday, to be expected I suppose.

Actually think Broadfoot is a good choice. Burley isn't exactly spoilt for choice and he's picked a player that made it all the way to a European final last season and picked up the kind of big game experience that will be needed for these games.


32

AJ Fife,

03/09/2008 10:11:11
Please tell me Langfield has a snawba's chance in hell of gettin' a game! He's the worst keeper I've ever seen!

Broadfoot is a worry too, but at least Kenny Miller is in fine goal scoring form.......
33

Alan B,

03/09/2008 10:16:02
Not sure why when Weir a central defender pulls out Burley is bringing in a player playing right back.

Having said that did the squad need 5 central defenders.

We now have 3 right backs. Broadfoot may be the best option of the 3 of them. Alexander is old (what 35/6) and that maybe an issue when the heat about 33 degrees. Don't know how weel McNaugton is playing but he is quite a small player (there could be very little physical presence in this team).

34

rorie,

alloa 03/09/2008 10:32:31
i cannot believe that this diddy of a scotland manager has brought broadfoot into the scotland squad,the only consolation of broadfoot being there is that he is replacing the worst passer of a ball ever to wear a scotland shirt (weir),who by the way should never have been brought back into the squad after refusing to play for his country before.scotland should cut their losses now and get rid of burley,his reign is going to end in defeat and embarrassment,we are going nowhere under this manager.scotland will not be in south africa for the next world cup finals.
35

John south of Soutra,

03/09/2008 10:36:10
is this the same Broadfoot that all the Rangers supporters were giving abuse to last season and at the start of this. amazing one reasonable game an he's international class, would he be in the sqaud if were still at St Mirren
36

rorie,

alloa 03/09/2008 10:37:00
i hope that the two monkeys who assaulted neil lennon get caught and jailed.
37

arthurscross,

03/09/2008 10:49:12
#65 Agreed but don't hold your breath, Glasgow's finest will fail to catch them even with all the CCTV in the west end.
38

arthurscross,

03/09/2008 10:50:59
#53 "Rubbish"

That's why your players and supporters were found out in Europe.
39

N B,

03/09/2008 10:52:03
It is a shame we are not playing the ROI so that big Kirk could give Mcgeady the runaround again...
40

Alan B,

03/09/2008 10:55:28
#rorie

The who would you have as manager. Burely seems like the first decent manager we have had for ages. The last 4 were poorish even if they did do quite well in the last campaign.
41

Indigo Nightlight,

03/09/2008 11:04:24
Broadfoot is murder. Unfortunately so are most of the other options when the first choice players are out. Burley can only pick the players available to him, and full back is a real weak spot.

For all those slaughtering Burley, what are the better alternatives, bearing in mind Burley didn't pick him initially and only callled him up to cover for call-offs.
42

rorie,

alloa 03/09/2008 11:10:23
no.69.............BIG YOGI.
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Skiver,

03/09/2008 11:41:34
#64 no he probably wouldn't be in the squad if he was still at St Mirren because he wouldn't have played in cup finals, Old Firm games and european matches - all of which are good preparation for playing internationals.

It's frustrating when players from the small teams don't get called up - but don't bother throwing that accusation at Burley as it's doubtful that Darren Barr would have been called up by either of the traitors Smith and McLeish.

rorie - i thought you would have jumped off a bridge or slashed your wrists by now. All those negative posts can't be doing your mental state much good, neither can being an England fan which you clearly are!
45

Indigo Nightlight,

03/09/2008 11:49:59
#73

True enough. Burley has also called up Commons, Stewart, Clarkson, Morrison, Berra, Fletcher (S) amongst others for Scotland and none of them play for the OF. And he wasn't manager when guys like Thomson, Whittaker etc were at Hibs. I don't think he has an OF fixation at all.
46

Malc.F,

france 03/09/2008 11:50:28
So Rangers have bought Langfield. That could be the only reason that he is picked for Scotland,as for Broadfoot I am aghast and that is not easy for me at my age. He may have played quite well last Sunday but there is a first time for everything. There was me thinking that Burley would not favour Rangers players unlike most of his predecessors. Wrong again.
47

G,

dundy 03/09/2008 12:08:21
If Kirk is the best option we have we should give up now.....there are plenty of other full backs in the country...maybe someone in the under 21s could step up ..maybe even the schoolboys team?
48

Rouleur,

On ma bike 03/09/2008 12:08:30
#72....and yes we all believe everything Mr Speirs has to say don't we

anyway the ship of the desert made the shoite of porkyheid wee Aiden leaden footed after he got skinned....which must concern you with Eire playing
49

Ally,

London 03/09/2008 12:14:54
Can we please settle on an approved form of Rangers paranoia for these discussions? It's all getting very confusing as people don't seem to be clear whether:

a) there's a conspiracy to pick Rangers players over other worthies or
b) there's a conspiracy not to do so as they drop out through fake injuries

Anyway, I read another story in which Broadfoot admits he thought McCoist was winding him up and I have to say I'd have thought the same thing. He was little short of shambolic last year, and was a key part of Rangers losing the league (which would not have come close to happening had Hutton not been sold). I also found myself willing Rangers to win the UEFA cup final but also pondering how spectacularly unfair it would be that Best & Giggs never got to a World Cup but Broadfoot could get a UEFA cup winners medal. Didn't happen in the end but...still.

Granted, he was good on Sunday, but that was against a shockingly poor Celtic midfield and a typically not-that-productive McGeady - OK, he got one cross in for ladyboy's goal, but in Strachan's position I'd have been looking for the guy to get 15-20 crosses past Broadfoot given the gap in basic ability.

Still, who knows. Burley's a better manager than any of us so maybe he'll turn into some sort of weird, Ted McMinn-style shambolic folk hero. Can't say I'd bet on it though...
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Bemused and above it all,

03/09/2008 12:15:10
Ok, so Broadfoot at 24, being played out of position, ie right back when he's a left sided central defender, has played, champions league, UEFA Cup, Scottish Cup & League Cup games, has gained a great deal of experience and has played true world class players in Arshavin & Pavyluchenko, whilst not covering himself in glory he did manage to help his team not lose 4 goals in each leg of the UEFA semi, unlike the illustrious rightbacks of Bayern.
I think Broadfoots an honest, decent player, not spectacular but decent enough, when you need someone reliable for the basics, he also responds to the crowd SUPPORTING him. So why wouldnt Burley give him a chance?
Or is it the usual for on here? He's young, scottish BUT plays for Rangers and the bulk of the inbred bigots just cant stand that? Maybe if he played for northern Ireland, he has 1 grandparent from belfast so is eligible, he would get more respect? A bit like the 'World Class' player who is always being chased by 'BIG' clubs for a Gazillion pounds! who is a nasty wee piece of work as shown by his hoofing big Kirk when he turned him inside out on sunday?
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Rouleur,

On ma bike 03/09/2008 12:16:25
Interesting quote from Johan Mjallby

'what I saw of him (Gary Caldwell) last season in Europe made me think he was more suited to the SPL than the Champions League'

I think GC is a weak link and I am peturbed by Burley's view of this player.
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Skiver,

03/09/2008 13:07:18
Broadfoot seems to be an easy target because he looks a bit like a rodent and can't run properly.

Maybe Burley should be calling Mark Wilson up instead after his scintillating display of fullback play on Sunday. No, wait....

I think we'll draw with Macedonia and beat Iceland.

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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 13:20:40
#42

Wrong, but thanks for trying.

And "couldn't" has an apostrophe.

Not too good with those, are you?

Little wonder that Rearrangerz don't sign too many Irish Catholics. What would they put on the back of the shirts?

ONeill, ODonovan, OLeary?

ODearie me.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 13:49:43
#91 Big Kenny Bluenose

Do you really think Big George will pick Big Kirk for either of these big games? And if he does, is it just because he plays for one of the Big Two (aka the Big Ot Brothers)?

Big SOFBTRC!
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 03/09/2008 13:49:58
As tic supporters I dont think that we are in any position to pass judgement on Broadfoot. We have two players who are a complete waste of space in that department i.e. Caldwell and McManus!
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow ( east) 03/09/2008 13:55:55
#53 BTO. I am surprised that you could not find a more constructive answer than the one you gave at #53
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Keyboard supporter,

03/09/2008 14:08:51
#90 - "His fellow professionals will not be so easily led"

They were last season when the pikey won it for a drag back against McNamara at the sheep pen when it was obvious that Cuellar should have been the recipient.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/09/2008 14:13:58
Typical - if a donkey like Clubfoot played for a team outwith the Old Firm he wouldn't get within a mile of the national team.

I fear for us in this qualifying campaign - I honestly hope I am wrong.
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forbesy1873,

03/09/2008 14:32:02
Big Kirky may not be the most talented of right backs we have had the pleasure to watch but currently he is the best option available that is fit for selection. Who else is better?
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 15:25:30
Cludeo?

LOL!

You don't have a clu, du yu?

SOFBTRC!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 15:52:48
#100

For an opinion that doesnt (sic) matter, you seem to have an overwhelming urge to reply.

Or perhaps you're just practicing your writing.

Hmmmm.......

Keep practicing. A long way to go yet.

And as for your comment in #102 - the "real football fans".

Are those the ones who destroyed Manchester? Or the ones who were filmed making Nazi salutes at an away European game? Or simply the humorless brain-dead bigots who attend Greyskull on a regular basis?

(But only if you're winning).

Please clarify. In words of one syllable or fewer (there, I've kept this within the limits of your capabilities).

SOFBTRC!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 16:07:04
#104

In order to understand them, I'd probably need to think like them.

Thank goodness I don't understand them then. I'd hate to live a life of such mental sterility and psychological stagnation.

I'll leave you to chat with others who "think" like you.

Do you know what those inverted commas imply, BRW?

SOFBTRC!
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Ally,

London 03/09/2008 17:47:02
#103 - Are those the ones who destroyed Manchester?

No, a number of Rangers fans disgraced themselves by making a *mess* of Manchester. The ones who *destroyed* Manchester were the IRA, for whom the shellsuited hordes in Parkhead happily filled the collecting cans to "help the struggle" in the 1980s and 90s.

Please feel free to argue justification, peer pressure or cultural background, but if you argue those facts you clearly never went near Parkhead in those days.

Incidentally, I haven't been back since 1993 - I assume things are better now but it is utterly undeniable that it was going on then and the destruction of Manchester was just one of the results.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 17:53:21
#112

As neither a "follow-follower" nor a "hail-hailer", I have no interest whatsoever in the pathetic attempts of people like you to score points in your bigotry-filled world. One half slates the IRA, the other half slates the unionist terrorists. Both of those groups were as atrocious as each other, and both halves of the OF are as poisonous as each other.

Actually, I take that back. The venom and bile associated with Rangers, Ibrox and too many of their follow-followers currently dwarfs the behaviour of Celtc and their fans.

SOFBTRC!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 18:08:07
#113

Why have you taken to signing yourself "diddy"?

One can never be too far from Glasgow.

SOFBTRC!
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Ally,

London 03/09/2008 18:16:28
#113 - ummm, no. I was a Clydebank supporter in the days before we fell to pieces. I went to Celtic Park and Ibrox as a visiting supporter, and fairly regularly to both with some pals for something to do (although mainly CP because I lived in Dennistoun at the time). I was never asked to contribute to anything any time I went to Ibrox, though I don't doubt for a moment that there are / were more than a few who had Loyalist sympathies, but at Celtic Park it was abundantly clear that collecting to "help the struggle" (as it was always phrased) was openly tolerated, though presumably not official policy.

There are some elements of your post I actually agree with - I think the Rangers supporters behaviour has, on the whole, been worse than that of the Celtic supporters in Europe in recent years. But claiming Manchester as some sort of evidence of moral superiority shows a quite stupefying lack of awareness.

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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 18:30:30
#116

I apologise for my slur in implying you are a fan of one of the Old Firm teams.

However, the clear perception created by your post (#112) is that followers of Celtic, and those with whom they sympathise (or sympathised) are responsible for terrible historical atrocities, whereas followers of Rangers, and those with whom they sympathise, are not. That is blatantly untrue.

The fact that Mancunians were victims of past atrocities committed by a group that were publicly supported by Celtic fans in no way absolves Rangers "fans" of responsibility for their far more recent disgusting behaviour in that city. Those individuals were referred to as "real fans" by a knuckledragger earlier in this thread. If they truly are "real fans" of Rangers, then I think that speaks volumes about that club and their follow-followers.

SOFBTRC!
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KelsoKillie,

Abu Dhabi 03/09/2008 19:09:48
Pick the players on form - so get the Killie defence in there immediately! the defence of Combe, Fowler, Lilley, Wright, Hay, and Bryson is all Scots and hasn't conceded a goal yet in 5 games. Put Boyd up front for a few goals too!
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KelsoKillie,

Abu Dhabi 03/09/2008 21:21:44
# 120 Killie's best game was against Dundee United - and they managed to draw with Celtic.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 21:47:31
#123 (KelsoKillie)

Despite what others say, how good your defence is will have no bearing upon the outcome of a game against that lot.

We all know what the major "factor" is influencing their results, don't we?

And on a related topic, just who is the ref for that game?

Hope Killie told them where to stick their 5%.

SOFBTRC!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

03/09/2008 22:05:06
"Hope Killie told them where to stick their 5%."

For a match at Ibrox?

Can't see the relevance myself.
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 03/09/2008 22:13:14
#112 Please come in to the real world. Rangers FC sponsored sectarian bigotry for more than 106 years,with a nod and a wink from the SFA. However, thank God for the powers that be in UEFA, who put these two sectarian organisations to flight.

To-day Rangers FC keep the number of Catholics associated with the club to a minimum,just to keep UEFA off their backs.Thats the truth ,and you know it!

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Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east)home of Scotland's CHAMPIONEES! 03/09/2008 22:18:00
#100 I presume thats the CHAMPIONEEES of Scotland that you speak of!

Idiot!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 03/09/2008 22:29:39
#126

"Hope Killie told them where to stick their 5%" is a general comment which should be applied to any request from either of the ugly sisters, in any game, this season or beyond, where the money-grabbing bigots have attempted to bully other teams into coughing up funds for the "pleasure" of hosting the unwashed.

And you could substitute "Killie" with the name of any other SPL team followed by supporters who wear two shoes.

SOFBTRC!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

03/09/2008 22:30:32
#128

Nope. The poster concerned is a fan of Dundee Utd, so your "idiot" jibe is misdirected and ill-advised.

As for your last point in #127, maybe you can tell me the basis for that assertion, because to the best of my knowledge, "Catholicism" has been a non-issue regarding RFC's player recruitment for knocking on 20 years now. I wonder what "denomination" recent signings Mendes and Aaron belong to?

Actually, in truth, I don't wonder, because it simply isn't a factor anymore.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

03/09/2008 22:55:08
BTO

Yep. Four times over by my reckoning, for Caldwell, Riordan, Killen and Brown.

Maybe he'd get better deals elsewhere!
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arthurscross,

03/09/2008 22:57:24
#53/#54/#58 U can't seem to answer facts - was the schools u went to - were they special?
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arthurscross,

03/09/2008 23:02:36
Isn't it grand bhoys to hear all the fans? of the wanna be Champions after a few games in the SPL automatically assume they will be in the top 3 in the SPL this season.
Interesting that after George (Rangers) Burley has forgotten his threats aimed at the Rearrangers call off merchants and backed down from action. Lord Smudger must have issued instructions.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

03/09/2008 23:10:50
The top 3 of the SPL?

You mean that elite group that Celtic DON'T belong to at the moment?
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jerrymanders,

Third place and lucky. 04/09/2008 23:20:12
#136

Don't mock. You were lucky to be in that group three seasons ago.

 

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