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Burley fails to play it straight as veteran Weir is left in limbo



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Published Date: 06 June 2008
FOR someone whose career has been so smoothly negotiated David Weir's relationship with the Scotland team has proved an at times awkward one. Although his tally of 61 caps points to a player who has excelled on the international stage there is the matter of a self-imposed exile during Berti Vogts' unlamented reign. Now we observe another hitch.
Despite having just enjoyed one of the finest seasons of his career the 38-year-old defender was absent from the first two squads named by George Burley. It remains to be seen whether he will gain the cap which will lift him up to eighth in the Scotland international roll of honour, and separate him from his fellow collectors of 61 caps – Ally McCoist and Richard Gough.

The noises which emanated both before and after Scotland's last two fixtures do not give cause for optimism, and neither do they reflect well on a manager who has otherwise performed admirably since succeeding Alex McLeish at the start of this year. Burley is understandably keen to make his own mark on the Scotland team. But there is a difference between exerting an influence and creating an unnecessary rift. In his treatment of Weir there is a danger this might occur.

The player – presently a free-agent after his contract with Rangers expired on Saturday – has presumably been left disenchanted by the signals emitted from the Burley camp in recent weeks and months. Originally left out due to Burley's concerns that he might be leg-weary during what was a taxing campaign with Rangers – "I think he could do with a break" – Weir has now learned that this exclusion, described by Burley as being for his benefit, has cost him the chance to establish himself in the new manager's plans. At the weekend, following the 3-1 defeat against the Czech Republic, Burley all but confirmed that Gary Caldwell would partner Stephen McManus in his first-choice centre-back pairing when the 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign kicks off.

"That's my second game in charge and Stephen McManus and Gary Caldwell have formed a good international partnership as well as club (one]," Burley told reporters in Prague. It was, he added, up to others to take the positions off them, a comment which might have set alarm bells off inside a certain veteran's head had they not already had reason to ring.

Burley's assistant, Terry Butcher, more or less gave the game away when he said: "I wouldn't rule Davie Weir out of playing in the World Cup but it might be a bit of a tall order."

Weir recently admitted that he had not anticipated his omission from Burley's first squad against Croatia, although the player's heavy itinerary – Rangers were on their way to the Uefa Cup final and also remained involved in the Scottish Cup – provided a perfectly credible explanation. However, his exclusion from the squad for last Friday's friendly match against the Czechs was more portentous.

Weir has been around long enough to know that managers prefer some players to others. There does not even need to be an especially compelling reason for this favouritism. They may simply wish to freshen a group of players up. With the introduction of any new regime there are likely to be casualties, although, if there is blood-letting to be done, it need not be a messy process. Burley has threatened to make it one due to an apparent failure to play it straight with Weir, who has not signalled any intention that he wishes to step away from the international set-up.

Indeed, the opposite message has been delivered by his performances in the past season. Having played 65 matches during the last campaign there is no doubt he is physically up for the challenge of contributing to Scotland's bid to qualify for the next World Cup. "As soon as the season is finished I will think about getting myself ready for next season," he told The Scotsman in May. " I am not just saying that to make people think how dedicated I am."



Now Weir has been left to figure out for himself why he has been jettisoned from Burley's plans. The manager called him prior to the naming of his first squad and contacted him the day after the second was announced. On both occasions Weir was assured that he remained in his thoughts. Burley has claimed this in public as well, although a caveat – "but we have to keep looking to the future" – tends to follow.

Six months ago Weir was good enough to marshal the Scotland defence against the current world champions, Italy. He has twice faced France in recent times and finished on the winning side. He featured in every Euro 2008 qualifier – including against Georgia, when other Old Firm players were posted missing.

Last month Weir appeared in a Uefa Cup final and, less than a fortnight ago, he claimed a Scottish Cup winner's medal. Weir is not one to orchestrate a grand farewell. He was almost offended when it was put to him that the conclusion to last season had provided him with suitable circumstances in which to call it a day. He said he did not possess a big enough ego to feel he merited going out at the top. He does, however, have sufficient pride to wish to be treated with respect.




The full article contains 912 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

jerrymanders,

Zimmerville 06/06/2008 00:11:41
His time will come. One for the future.
2

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06/06/2008 00:14:47
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bring them on,

06/06/2008 00:17:12
McManus and Caldwell.....

Burley!!!!

Is that the best you can come up with?
4

Fayneant,

NZ 06/06/2008 00:17:53
Weir might not be in Burley's long term plans, but keeping the central defence solids will allow him to work on other aspects of the team until such time as his first choice pairing is available.

Baresi was still world class at 40 - who's to say Weir still wont be an asset to the team in 2 years time?
5

bring them on,

06/06/2008 00:19:27
54000 miles....


Is it a taxi?
6

Jon Bon Jovi,

06/06/2008 00:19:31

thanks david for your commitment to the cause but its time to step aside and blood some new players for 2010 (when you will be 40)
7

Wee Pal Joe,

06/06/2008 00:21:31
It would be wrong to discard Weir.

And I don't think he has been discarded.

Non-story methinks.
8

bring them on,

06/06/2008 00:24:32
Rossetti to referee opening game.
9

Ticked,

London 06/06/2008 00:42:58
Oh for God's sake ....He's too old !!!!!!

Burley, like anyone else with half a brain, knows this and is planning for the future. He should be praised for having the guts to do this, and for daring to upset the blue eyed "boy" and his mediaband wagon.
10

bring them on,

06/06/2008 00:56:12
Mature
11

Raskolnikov,

06/06/2008 01:22:03
So the new Scotland manager starts his tenure with an eye to the future and decides not to select a player in his late 30s who is not even in contract with a football club, and the laptop loyal accuse him of treating the player badly? Has it got to the stage where a Scotland manager will drop a Rangers player on pain of death by a thousand sycophantic, Rangers-loving journalists?

Only in Scotland.
12

bring them on,

06/06/2008 01:25:34
Rasky

We all know that Weir's time is almost over.

The big laugh is McManus and Caldwell. Nothing against either player, but hardly a world beating combination.
13

jerrymanders,

Defending defenders 06/06/2008 01:39:38
#12

Mick and Caldo are the mainstay of the best defence in the League, with 26 goals conceded. The next nearest team (losers) conceded 33!!!!!!!!!!!! Weir was part of that.
14

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:05:00
Morning all...Bizarre that there are people on here who are up in arms that the present incumbent of the Scotland job has the temerity to pass on a good Scottish defender (Faeroes game aside!) due to the fact that he is 40 next year...Baresi played in the best defence the world has ever seen so didn't have to put in the same effort as Weir...Different league,Different game...
15

Raskolnikov,

06/06/2008 02:07:23
The writer criticises Burley for leaving Weir "in limbo". Why does he not criticise or even question Rangers FC for not offering the player another contract, even on a month-to-month basis? Rangers have decided that Weir is not good enough for them, but Burley is not allowed to do his job by deciding he is also not good enough for Scotland. I am not criticising Rangers for not offering the player a new contract. That is their prerogative. I am questioning the double standards of the journalist.

BTO - I didn't mention McManus and Caldwell. My post was about the attitude of the journalist towards George Burley. However, if McManus and Caldwell are the best we have in central defence, then so be it.
16

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:12:33
C@ndyman.."Exchange and Mart" are on another thread...
Just Google "Kenny Miller" and you are there...
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06/06/2008 02:14:16
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bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:14:51
Maybe if Burley played Kenny Miller is a deeper role, with say a Flethcer/Fletcher formation.

McFadden/Ferguson as the driving force.....
19

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:16:52
Swordsman

You lost me there, mate.
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06/06/2008 02:20:19
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PatG,

Russia 06/06/2008 02:25:19
The journalist is having a laugh......38 years of age.........Isnt Burley supposed to be building for the future?????
22

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:29:15
#20

That was a movie, right?

Strange...

Not as strange as Mark Hughes going to Man City. Keegan ruined the club, Eriksson did a decent job to bring some respect back.

Hughes will now go for the big punt and shirt pulling tactics.

Could have been a Hearts manager....

They stopped me using to#s of the coin, and it ruined my joke.
23

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:30:23
#21...I'm a reasonably fit 48 yr old..but if I had been chasing Scott McDonald for months ..I;d be cream crackered too...
24

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:31:36
Mr Motivator...

Bet he's on his fifth can of Special Brew already.

Saving his Scotch Egg for later.

We know your type, pal.
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:32:45
BTO..Think Hughes will do well ther as he is a football guy..I can see Bentley et al arriving soon at Eastlands..
26

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:36:52
#48

Swordsman

All due respect, and all that. But reasonably fit for what?

Your five mile cross country run every morning. Or.... would it be the wee stroll to the paper shop to buy your Walnut Whip and Lucozade.

I'm no a betting man, myself.
27

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:38:31
#25

Swordsman

You reckon...Just having my Walnut Whip....

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Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:43:10
BTO. as a thoroughbred...I am in great shape..Porage in the morning,Guinness in the afternoon..Watch Countdown..retire to my bed bamboozled by numbers and anagrams....Wake up around 10 pm just in time for my Cocoa..Bliss!
29

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:47:30
Swordsman,

I know it must seem like a stupid question, but do Hearts have a new manager? Hadn't seen anything in the press yet....
30

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 02:52:30
BTO ..I believe the entire cast of "Sesame Street" have been auditioned..but no news yet,,
31

bring them on,

06/06/2008 02:59:09
#30

Could go for the wee player/manager bit.

What a farce.

Would Joe Jordan take it? Maybe Paul Sturrock....
32

Swordsman,

Dublin 06/06/2008 03:03:44
Bedtime..........Later all!

Peace!
33

bring them on,

06/06/2008 03:06:28
Cheers!
34

Just an opinion,

USA 06/06/2008 03:11:49
No question Weir has been a great player.
But when Scotland's top clubs choose to let any player of that age go, the writing is not only on the wall, "it is time to go home," as Zeppiddy once said on The Magic Roundabout which describes football in a nutshell.
You only have to look at the English F.A. shamelessly parading Golden Balls as their Captain in an endeveour to get the World Cup to realize Burley has a lot to commend him even if you do not agree with his choice.
Let's face it, we are thin on the ground from the days of Crerand, Law, Baxter, then Loeimer Gray and Bremner.
Nuff said!!!!!!!!
35

bring them on,

06/06/2008 03:24:19
Aye, you don't have to be good to play for Scotland, but it helps.
36

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06/06/2008 03:36:37
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06/06/2008 03:55:48
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38

bring them on,

06/06/2008 04:08:26
So Weir is the next Hearts manager?
39

AndyWalkerSpeaksMince,

Falkirk 06/06/2008 04:31:36
erm why is this top international news?
40

bring them on,

06/06/2008 04:37:53
If Weir was daft wnough to take the job as Hearts manager, that would be international news.

Is that what this article is implying?
41

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 06/06/2008 08:10:58
It logical to look for a replacement for Weir as he will not be able to perform at international level in 2 years time....fact!

The bit that worries me is that Caldwell the bombscare at centre half is being considered as McManus' replacement. He can perhaps get away with mistakes at right back but he is an accident waiting to happen in the centre. McManus is clear leader at the back but we must have someone better than Caldwell
42

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 06/06/2008 08:11:54
sorry that should've been Caldwell considered as McManus' partner
43

Richardinho,

06/06/2008 08:22:14
#3 'McManus and Caldwell'

they are the foundation of the best defence in Scottish football at club level.
44

Richardinho,

06/06/2008 08:24:55
Odd tone to this article. In what way is Burley 'not playing it straight'? He has made his choice as to his best team-(that's what he is paid to do-make decisions) and he has kept Weir informed about them.

Weir does not have any god given right to play for Scotland-if Burley chooses not to play him then that's the end of it.
45

bring them on,

06/06/2008 08:28:16
Just had the wee RC Nesbitt box set out.

#43

Richy

I like your banter but you have to look after your reputation.

Still, gave me a laugh.
46

Richardinho,

06/06/2008 08:32:41
#45 Thank you for the compliment.
however it is a simple fact that at club level Celtic's defence has been the best in Scotland, both domestically and in the Champions League.
47

CPWilliam,

06/06/2008 08:33:46
It is a bit of a "non" story. I hate to tell George Burley how to do his job but the thing that scares me is Caldwell being first choice centre back. The guy is a very good defensive midfielder protecting the back four or marking a specific opponent. His errors cost Celtic dearly against Barcelona. When he has time on the ball he tries to be too clever. I'm a Hibs fan and he cost us goals time after time playing at Centre Back.
Hopefully we will find a more solid person prior to the qualifying games.
48

Richardinho,

06/06/2008 08:35:26
#47 So if Caldwell is so bad, why is Celtic's defence the best in Scotland by a long way?
49

Waitin´and hopin,

06/06/2008 08:48:10
# 48.....Maybe because the SPL is so poor!?
50

Con_B,

06/06/2008 08:52:14
I'm not going to be delusional and say Caldwell is the best CH in the world, but have got to say that his form improved dramatically in the last few months of the season and, despite the "protestations" of others, they are a shoe-in for the Scotland places.
Caldwell for me actually started to live up to some of the confidence placed in him by the manager.
Sorry, but even if Weir was 5/6 years younger, I'd still pick the Celtic men.
51

The Equaliser,

06/06/2008 08:52:31
It would only be courtesy to inform David Weir who was a great servant to the Scottish team that it is unlikely that he will be required for the future and I am sure he is wise enough to accept it.

This is just the Scotsman scraping the barrel with a non story.
52

jdships,

06/06/2008 08:54:47
21 PatG,Russia

Agree totally .
"Burley fails to play it straight as veteran Weir is left in limbo"
Burley's job, surely, is to build for the future .
Must be a poor news morning to publish this article.

All the same good luck to Weir in his retirement !!
53

bring them on,

06/06/2008 09:03:12
Another non-story Scotsman

Another non-story Scotsman,

Another non-story Scotsman....
54

Johnny Jambo,

06/06/2008 09:06:29
I would have David Weir back at Tynecastle for a season to give some experience to the young lad we are sure to be working with next season. And I would like to see him in some kind of coaching capacity as well.
55

bring them on,

06/06/2008 09:09:50
JJ

All the smart money is on DW being back at Tynecastle.


Player/ manager my guess, and bet
56

Con_B,

06/06/2008 09:12:20
#54 I'm really uncomfortable even hinting of a campaign to have (lets face it) a 38 year old Rangers player re-instated to the national squad. But why on Earth would he be pushed in front of players who are (the table doesnt lie) better, established as a prtnership AND younger? Its a starnge one thats for sure.
Confession time, I like Weir and always have, but he is not good enough for Scotland.
57

yeahyeahyeah,

06/06/2008 09:18:59
FFS, its the close-season so news is hard to come by, yet the usual suspects are on here berating the scottish press for running a campaign to get weir back in a scotland jersey. get over yourselves.

why does it always have to come down to the big-bad pro-rangers media

and for the record, i reckon weir should have been put out to pasture from the rangers team a long while ago. the back four sits too deep due to his lack of pace.

caldwell - hmmmm, not sure. and before we hear the usual guff about him being part of the greatest defence in the land - if his team had to play 14 more games like rangers then i'm sure bookings and fatigue would have lead to a few more goals being conceded
58

Johnny Jambo,

06/06/2008 09:20:47
#56 bring them on - well apart from the obvious lack of managerial experience I think I could live with that. Would like to see him bringing a couple of ex players back on his backroom team if it happens.
59

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 06/06/2008 09:24:07
David Weir has had 60+ games for the national side but, at his age, he is hardly likely to be around for 2010. Even Craig Brown - known for his love of older players - would be looking for a younger man by now. Surely the club pairing of McManus and Caldwell are worth persevering with - they play in the same side and have a good understanding. Now, what has happened to the other Celtic centre back - John Kennedy? He, if he could recover his old form, would make quite a partnership with McManus.

Alternatives at centre back for Scotland:
Considine and Diamond - Aberdeen's duo are still very raw but learned a lot in UEFA this past season
Anderson - most recently on loan to the "mighty" Plymouth Argyle, not playing at top level
Berra - does not stand out as a dominant centre half; perhaps too lightweight
Dailly - another in the Weir mould with age against him
Broadfoot - not international class.

Any more?
60

Johnny Jambo,

06/06/2008 09:24:20
#57 "the table does lie" there were only a few goals of a difference in the against column and when you look at the European exploits of Rangers they did not concede a lot there and against arguably better class opposition. So lets not discount David Weir he played in a consistent Rangers defence. I am not advocating bringing him back to be a first choice Scotland defender, and I guess he isn't either but we should kisk him out totally. Incidentally I don't think thats what Burley is doing either.
61

bring them on,

06/06/2008 09:27:31
JJ

For me, it's the best call.

No idea if the big man would be interested or not.

DW has been on form. Great captain, when called upon to be one.

Good captains usually make good mangers.

Hearts best hope, IMO.
62

bring them on,

06/06/2008 09:29:20
#61

Hang your jacket up, son
63

Who?,

06/06/2008 09:30:41
Alan Pattullo is a bit of a sad pratt. I usually see him walking along rose st hoping that somebody will recognise him.

He is a typical poor journo. Nothing to write about so he just makes it up.

He use to copy and paste articles from different football magazines. When people brought him up about this he would then "reference" the magazine hoping it would give his article credability.

Lets not forget this is the guy who though John Collins would make a good club manager- not because of any football releated reason, because JC had a six pack and chizzled good looks.

The scotsman has been in a downward spiral for the last 10 years mainly because of poorly created and edited articles but jouno's who are simply not up to the job.

Alan Pattullo and Glen "i love fergie" Gibbons are the worst of the worst.
64

bring them on,

06/06/2008 09:37:26
So.... in summary..........

Kenny to Ibrox?
65

Con_B,

06/06/2008 10:06:03
#67 Hope so!
66

bring them on,

06/06/2008 10:12:47
And so the jokes go on, forever....


I fancy the KM and KB partnership to be one of the greatest of all time.


Yet again, WS tactics.
67

We love fitba,

google! 06/06/2008 10:23:08
If I was Hearts I'd be trying to get a contract in front of Davie Weir's nose today. He's as old as the hills of course, but still got something to offer as a player - and seems like a natural coach.

Of course, Hearts aren't a rational club these days, so maybe this will leave the door open somewhere else? Plenty of SPL clubs could do with the man's experience... Weir to Hibs, anyone?
68

yeahyeahyeah,

06/06/2008 10:32:12
#66 - eh? 2nd article in a week calling for weir's inclusion!?!?

"The noises which emanated both before and after Scotland's last two fixtures do not give cause for optimism". hardly talking-up weirs chances, but no-doubt you see it as a campaign. its just typical green specs tinted tedium from yourself, where a pro-rangers/anti-celtic slant juast happens to be in every article. seek and ye shall find.

and i'm not arguing for weir to be considered, but thats hardly the point i was making
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 10:46:06
66
You made your bed ... so lie in it !
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Number 6,

Germany 06/06/2008 10:54:31
Poor George, he clearly has not learned how it goes in Scottish football. Drop a ranger's player? is he mad ?.

Forget the guy will be in his 40's soon, he should be played when ever he wants. Just as,he should be allowed to withdraw from the squad when ever he wants with absolutley no desent from the manager at all.

Burley better get his act together or he'll find himself hounded out of the job.
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:09:37
76
Again in English please
73

Maroon tinted glasses,

06/06/2008 11:19:24
70 does weir have all his relevant coaching badges? if not then surely we would be back in the same situation as with Frail (without his badges he would effectively become a puppet for vlad to play with). I for one wouldnt want him at tynecastle for his first coaching job and think he should now hang up his boots and try a coaching role in the lower leagues, the only reason he had a half decent season at rangers was because ole backstabber smith played with 10 defenders in most games.
74

nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:22:57
77
I am not having a go you paranoid geek ... I can`t understand your post 76 ! It does not make sense or is it me ?
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:23:47
80 *at
76

nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:29:16
77
You have no clue as tae why I refer tae the Celtic minded thread closers on here as cyber hooligans do you ? It`s not for having squabbles or different opinions ... it`s because they have one single agenda and that is tae put Rangers down and they contribute nothing else in the way of football comment ! Do you read me ?
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:32:11
77
If you check yesterday`s thread then you will see that Pax that was your bum chum yesterday and probably the worst hooligan thread closer going was removed twice by the moderator ! Deal with it ... it`s a problem for all the decent Celtic posters on here but it aint my fault !
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morris,

edinburgh 06/06/2008 11:37:01
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head.Weir is past his international sell by date,but he is still selected/needed because we dont have anybody to replace him with,and I agree McManus and Caldwell are no better than average and if they are the best we have then we will do well to retain our top 20 placing by FIFA.


David Weir knows he cannot play forever.
He probably also knows that he may be selected until his replacement is found. I see very few contenders!
McManus and Caldwell may yet prove to be our choice through neccessity.Thats what happens in a nation of 5 million people where the two senior clubs employ foreign players and thus buy the league between them.Roll on the limit on foreign players.Our goal should be to emulate Celtic 1n 1967 who were not only the UKS first European Champions but fielded a side born within 20 miles of Parkhead stadium.That was an achievement which I doubt any club will ever match.
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yeahyeahyeah,

06/06/2008 11:39:26
lets agree to disagree james. my argument is pointless when you have obviously read at least one chapter of 'psychology for dummies' and keep showing such vision with your replies
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:46:55
86
I always talk about the football ! Probably forgot more than you will ever know ... football knowledge and looking up stats are two very different things !
Any way don`t you like it because I am ridding the site of the Celtic cyber crew ! You should thank me ... as your sad little friend is removed daily it reduces the embarrassment and shame on your club !
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06/06/2008 11:52:50
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 11:57:53
89
Well said ... but I am afraid that you will wait a long time for this paper tae side with Rangers ! Hey don`t let the truth get in the way of a good bit of Brit battering !
83

nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:07:26
85
Great post ... I agree with all of your points especially the 6+5 rule as it will encourage more homegrown talent but I do think that the days of 67 are long gone although Wattie is maybe as close tae it as anyone in the last 20 years !
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Sardonic Jambo,

06/06/2008 12:10:37
i'll always have a lot of time for davie weir, but that doesn't mean we should keep playing him for scotland until he drops dead! although he's a very good defender the man's got acceleration akin to that of the titanic! there's no point in building a team for the future if you're going to allow someone who's patently not going to make it to 2010 to remain in the team whilst other younger defenders (berra? is anderson worth having in the team? maybe mark reynolds?) miss out on valuable experience.
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06/06/2008 12:18:44
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:25:30
93
Yesterday you disagreed with me when I laughed at the idiotic Mark McGee suggesting that this time next year Reynolds would get an offer from a bigger club than Rangers ... anyone with a slight knowledge of the game would have agreed but not you and then this morning you are having a spat with YYY and again having a go at me ! Common denominator ?
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:28:01
95
There goes Brother Wallie falling into his sectarian mode ! You can`t use the word hvn anymore than I can use the term fennian ! Do you read ?
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 12:29:32
#73
So Weir got to pick and choose?
So who was an ever present for scotland in the last campaign?
Yes he's getting on a bit, dont think scotland can afford to see if he turns into a Baresi/Maldini in the next 2 years, dont see it happening.
But why when its a scotland story do you feel the need to continually spout your sectarian bile?
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:29:56
93 see post 92
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 12:31:56
#95
Could you try and stop breathing? Its just that intelligent life may need the oxygen you are currently wasting.
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:36:06
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Riot survivor is James in his Celtic cyber hooligan guise ! Not very convincing really !
The good news is that there are probably only about 3 or 4 of them using lots of different names and they should be easily removed ... ain`t that right moderator !
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 06/06/2008 12:39:49
Davie Weir, having a university degree (OK it's only an American one), is clearly not your average - I wear my IQ on my back - footballer and maybe requires slightly different handling.

However, George Burley has kept him in the loop when it comes to squads; He should however, maybe have said: "Davie, if it's a case of you or Terry Butcher, you're playing, otherwise, thanks but forget it".

It's time to build towards 2010 and Weir will not be playing for Rangers then, far less Scotland.

By the way, I see we've been getting some FACTS re Celtic's "best defence in Scotland".

Celtic has statistically the best defence in Scottish football, over the three domestic competitions.

Celtic in the season just ended played 44 domestic matches, conceding 32 goals, an average of 0.73 gpg; Rangers played 49 domestic games, conceding 40 goals, an average of 0.82 gpg.

However, when we factor in the relative European campaigns, we find that overall Celtic played 8 games, conceding 11 goals, an average of 1.375 gpg.

Rangers played 19 European matches, between the Champion's League and UEFA Cup campaigns, conceding 13 goals, an average of 0.68 gpg.

So, over the entire season, Celtic played 52 games, conceding 43 goals, an average of 0.83 gpg; Rangers played 68 games, conceding 53 goals, an average of 0.78 gpg.

Therefore, over the season as a whole they had the best defence in Scotland.

Celtic were, however, the best attacking side in Scotland, scoring at an average of 1.96 gpg to Rangers' 1.84 gpg.

I trust that balances things out for both sides of the Old Firm divide.
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:40:15
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I do have knowledge of the situation and there has been interest from England although not bigger than Rangers ! I wondered how he would feel about a move tae the Brox as he is not a bluenose and have it from Niall his brother that he is a true pro and they would jump at a move tae the Gers !
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Brother Walfrid,

06/06/2008 12:43:18
What about Pat Nevin ?

If you can move from Clyde to Chelsea, from motherwell, you can go anywhere.
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:45:59
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Yes Bruv ... we know that it is possible along with the sky falling down but it is highly unlikely is it not ? This is a pretty stupid comment from a pretty stupid bloke that should know better !
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Jealousy,jealousy,

06/06/2008 12:51:40
#104 Brother

I must admit that the term hvn does not offend me in the slightest. Depending on the context of course.
If someone were to call me a dirty hvn barsteward i would be more offended by the dirty barstward part.

I have Celtc supporting mates who will call me such names in jest and il reply with equally as offensive terms. Its only words.
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nineinro,

06/06/2008 12:52:35
Off for a game of golf and a beer ... Laters !
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Wee Pal Joe,

06/06/2008 13:04:46
The likes of Glasgow education officials, Nil By Mouth and the PSNI say "Hvn" is a sectarian insult. You see "Kill All Hvns" sprayed on walls in Northern Ireland about Protestants. So you're on very dodgy ground when you apply it to a football club with a Protestant identity. Same as if you called the Celtic team "The T@igs" even though some of them are Protestants or whatever.
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06/06/2008 13:26:58
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Daillyman,

06/06/2008 13:35:55
Weir in my opinion has been a terrific club and international player, not world class but a dependable professional.

Burley has a job to do in adding to a squad of players who did fairly well in the EURO qualifiers and getting Scotland to the next world cup.

At 38 Weir is on the down side of a good career and it is time to blood someone else into one of the centre back positions, for the long term good of the national side.

As said previously Weir has been a good servant to Scotland but it may be time for the player himself to announce that he is finished with international football. The time comes for every player to take a step back from certain levels of the game, its just a pity that some players take longer to see that fact than others.
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DGSEVILLE2,

Northants 06/06/2008 13:37:20
I just wanted to check if the team Caldwell and McManus play for, the Champion Celtic, conceded less goals than the Gers last season? Yes they did , 26 goals compared to the Gers 33. So despite Cuella and Weir getting all the accolades the fact is the Celtic central defense has a better record than the Gers.

Also Weir is too old and should just concentrate in being fit for the Gers just incase he runs out of steam like it did this season.
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 13:37:50
Of course its not sectarian, racist or offensive! It cant be if a celtic fan says it!
Cant believe BW is so thick as to suggest that its ok!
PHUD!
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 13:39:09
#114 for statistical analysis please see post #103
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 13:39:09
#114 for statistical analysis please see post #103
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Bemused and above it all,

06/06/2008 13:39:26
sorry i appear to have developed a stutter!
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DGSEVILLE2,

Northants 06/06/2008 13:40:30
I just wanted to check if the team Caldwell and McManus play for, the Champion Celtic, conceded less goals than the Gers last season? Yes they did , 26 goals compared to the Gers 33. So despite Cuella and Weir getting all the accolades the fact is the Celtic central defense has a better record than the Gers.

Also Weir is too old and should just concentrate in being fit for the Gers just incase he runs out of steam like it did this season.
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