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Macedonia 1 - 0 Scotland: Disappointing Scotland lose their first World Cup qualifying game



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Published Date: 06 September 2008
Scotland suffered a disappointing start to their World Cup qualifying campaign when they slumped to defeat against Macedonia in their opening match.

The home side took the lead after just five minutes and Ilcho Naumoski's strike proved to be decisive as Srecko Katanec's men held on to claim all three points.

The searing temperatures in Skopje were always going to be an issue for the Scots and they lacked a cutting edge for the remainder of the game, failing to find the goal that would at least have allowed them to put an early point on the board.

George Burley had his preferred team in mind for several weeks ahead of this match and there were no real surprises when his starting XI was revealed.

Kenny Miller and James McFadden both started and were given the task of getting the goals despite a less than inspiring partnership in last month's drab goalless friendly against Northern Ireland at Hampden.

With West Brom's James Morrison injured, Barry Robson was given the nod in midfield alongside Celtic team-mates Paul Hartley and Scott Brown, as well as Darren Fletcher.

As expected, stand-in skipper Stephen McManus was able to shake off a knock he picked up in last week's Old Firm derby to take his place in the heart of defence with Gary Caldwell.

Hundreds of Scotland fans were locked out of the City Stadium before kick-off when the Macedonian Football Association refused to allow entry to those with tickets for the home end, fearing for the safety of fans.

The 1,000 travelling supporters who did manage to see the game witnessed the worst possible start when Scotland found themselves trailing with just five minutes on the clock.

The Macedonians earned a free-kick just outside the area when McManus was deemed to have fouled Goran Maznov and Goce Sedloski stepped up for the set-piece. His effort was touched on to the post by goalkeeper Craig Gordon but Naumoski pounced to rifle home the rebound from six yards.

The Scots could have hit back through a free-kick of their own when Graham Alexander was fouled by Robert Petrov but Robson's curling shot was weak and easily smothered by goalkeeper Petar Milosevski.

Macedonia threatened again when Petrov provided a cross from the left for Goran Pandev but his ferocious volley cannoned off the body of Caldwell, denying the home side's star man the chance to add to their tally.

Scotland then had a decent chance of their own when Fletcher set up McFadden and he embarked on a run which took him past several red jerseys only for his shot to be blocked by the body of Igor Mitreski, before the Birmingham striker nodded the rebound wide.

At the other end, the home fans screamed for a penalty when Maznov went to ground under pressure from Gordon but the Macedonia man appeared to make the most of it and the pleas were ignored by referee Pavel Kralovec.

Veliche Shumolikoski then released Maznov on a surging run which was halted by Caldwell. The ball broke to Pandev but he fired straight at Gordon in what proved to be the last real chance of the first half.

Scotland tried to force their way back into the game after the break and Scott Brown drew a decent save from Milosevski with a well-struck shot from distance, before the heroics of Gordon prevented the visitors from falling further behind.

A Pandev corner was cleared as far as Shumolikoski who unleashed a thunderous long range effort that the Scots keeper just managed to tip over the crossbar with one hand.

Gordon then punched to safety a dangerous cross into the box from Pandev before Maznov could connect with a header at his right post.

Scotland made their first change when Kris Commons replaced Hartley, before Gordon was again called into action to block a point-blank effort from Naumoski.

Burley's men failed with their own claim for a penalty when Miller played through McFadden and he went to ground as the goalkeeper dived to claim the ball.

No spot-kick was forthcoming and all McFadden earned for his protests was a yellow card from the Czech official.

Miller was withdrawn for Rangers team-mate Kris Boyd with ten minutes to go as the Scots had one last throw of the dice but Macedonia held on for maximum points with Burley still seeking his first win as Scotland manager.

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  • Last Updated: 06 September 2008 4:07 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Weel Kent Jambo,

06/09/2008 15:33:21
Good to see big Craig is having a stormer.
2

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06/09/2008 16:00:45
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Daillyman,

06/09/2008 16:15:57
First half very poor, we showed them to much respect and gave up to much of the park allowing them to dictate the midfield.

2nd half a wee bit better in possession but still created nothing in the final 3rd as far as good scoring chances.

Surprised at the Robson change I thought he was the best of a poor lot in midfield.

Why do we insist in pumping balls into the penalty area when we have dwarfs for target men.

Maybe at look at Fletcher from Hibs as the main target man vs Iceland would not hurt.
4

tatties n, neeps,

06/09/2008 16:22:55
Hard to see how Macedonia were ranked #56 looked a very poor outfit to me , think we missed out big time , a very lacklustre performance.
5

Malc.F,

france 06/09/2008 16:23:51
Was it on the telly?
6

Mad Max,

06/09/2008 16:27:19
back to the good old days?

Burley - Butcher - Pressley

Out now before things get worst?
never fancied the three for the job
7

Mad Max,

06/09/2008 16:28:16
It was on setanta, as is weds game,
go to local boozer,
or maybe not eh?
8

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 16:32:37
6 Max

At the moment thats the management team.

Who would you have appointed?

Its one match out of 8, lets hope we can go to Iceland and get the 3 points.
9

huggs,

06/09/2008 16:33:29
MM like i say easy to say that now once we have been beat.Why not post before the game?
Who would you replace them with ?
10

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06/09/2008 16:40:40
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Teary Ennui,

06/09/2008 16:47:58
Both the players and the tactics of the manager were very poor in the first half. An improvement in the second but overall we didn't do enough to take something from the game, though there were a couple of contentious refereeing decisions that went against us.
12

!,

UK 06/09/2008 17:12:33
Looks like scotland are back to the usual (losing HA). So much for showing England how to beat macedonia. You aren't going to any world cup scotland except on a videogame hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaahah
13

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 17:18:24
12

And you think England are going. That's even a bigger laugh.

England = perennial underachievers.
14

Elifan,

Livingston 06/09/2008 17:19:29
Agree with poster 3 that Robson was probably the best in midfield. We were unlucky in not being awarded a penalty. Gordon didn't have too many saves to make and stood no chance with the goal - the defenders had gone to sleep. Caldwell made a great tackle to avert a worse defeat but not a lot of positives. Its Scotland all over again and no doubt we will raise our game against better opposition. Faddy once again tried to take too many touches when he had his chance and often makes the wrong choice but what I would have given for one of his wonder strikes today!
15

Dundee Pie,

Canada 06/09/2008 17:28:03
I need to vent but without the explatives not permitted on this page. Where you see explative, substitute your own.

Further the SFA needs to take their cue from elite organizations. Major corpations, engineering projects, the SAS and front line scientists all have a round table critical analysis of the explative failure. So here explative goes:

Text book definition for explative, 'bottling it': First half of Macedonia vs Scotland. Who is to blame? Burley. All that explative talk of who Macedonia have beaten and how terribly hot its going to be, sigh. Learn to make a pep talk and take responsibility for the mood and belief in the team. If I hear, one thing about fears of the cold and frost bite preparation in Ice land, Burley will lose my support.

Overall passing was poor which contradicts the argument, we have no stars, we play as a team. That argument does not apply anyway as shown in the second half as one on one, Scotland players were technically superior.

Gordon: Awesome
Alexander: Mr. Hutton get in the gym.
McManus: OK
Caldwell: One excellent run back to prevent a goal combined with 89min of dodginess.
Naismith: OK
Brown: Started to show match fitness for the first time this season during the second half.
Fletcher: Mediocrity. I've been waiting four years for Sirs project to develop a Scholes like 25 yard shot.
Hartley: Next loyal servant to retire.
Commons: International? maybe.
Maloney. Good.
Boyd. Needs match fitness and fitness in general.
McFadden. Excellent.
Miller: A Scotland hero who is NOT in form. The argument that he has been great for us in the past, is lame, much like his current play. This is Burley's fault. He should have benched him until such time Miller is in form and also shows he can link up with Faddy. Young blood S Fletcher and McCormack are in form and need to be blooded, which would have proved a more usefull exersize and maybe even a different score line.
The ref. This guy has been suspended and should have been
16

Dundee Pie,

and 06/09/2008 17:29:02
Robson: very good

Explative.
17

chazbud,

06/09/2008 17:29:32
i told you all macedonia were a decent side, i was wrong, they were shocking and we were worse.

NEGATIIVES

-Alexander finished, shouldnt be there
-Naysmith not good enough
-Caldwell commits too many fouls, cant pass to own t/mates
-Fletcher not good enough, only gets picked coz he plays for Man U, shocking today.
-Brown has not played a good game since he was at Hibs, shouldnt be in first 11.
-Robson rubbish, no pace, too slow, gets picked coz hes at Celtic, only contribution was wasting good set piece chance.
-Hartley was he even playing? rubbish and finished.
-Miller cant trap a bag of cement, rubbish, no composure, thats why we didnt want him at Rangers.
-McFadden so called "goldenbhoy" needs better players around him, far too greedy.
-Maloney never went forward, never ran with it, DIDNT do anything.
-Burley thought we were "outstanding" in second half, has he lost his marbles or trying to keep his job?
-Butcher shouldnt be anywhere near a Scotland dressing room.

Its not hard, any team he picked from squad available should have beat macedonia, first half was like Rangers in Kaunas, just so poor.

POSITIVES
-from game NONE
-players to come back Weir, Barry Sideways, Broadfoot, Thomson and Hutton.
-gordon, mcmanus, mcfadden, would all be in my team no-one else from todays team.
-commons done ok, more direct than anything else we have.

we need a left back and a bustling striker.

Gutted man, cant see us beating iceland.

Get the finger out jocks, or its Levein for manager!

Scotland the Brave.
18

Dundee Pie,

#16 06/09/2008 17:29:47
SFA is down but not out.

Macedonia was not a must win game. Iceland is.
19

huggs,

06/09/2008 17:30:18
Well lets hope Andorra can do something
Doubt it though
20

huggs,

06/09/2008 17:32:12
BTO you and your slimy bum chum wanted Scotland beat
Both of you are w@nkers
Go cheer on your real team tonight
21

chazbud,

06/09/2008 17:32:38
#15 pieman , are you mental?, baloney and mcfadden good???? what game were you watching...both were rotten, maloneys not a left winger, hes a nippy striker who needs big guy next to him.McFaddens too greedy, thinks hes world class, hes championship class maybe SPL class.
22

chazbud,

06/09/2008 17:36:32
#19 it was a must win today, as is wed, we a now fecked, and need to win at least 5 or 6 of our games now.meaning we need to take 4 points from holland, not going to happen.were not going to s.africa.
23

Dundee Pie,

#22 06/09/2008 17:39:04
I just may be going mental after watching that. Maloney was OK. No major explatives. Better than the rest and yes needs better players around him. In that context, I'll say he was relatively good. Gimme a break... I'm short on positives here.
McFadden. Strikers should be greedy. And he showed his usual deft play. I stand by McFadden as good.
24

Dundee Pie,

23 06/09/2008 17:42:04
No. Macedonia was a should have won, not a must have won. Look back to the euro qualifiers. Italy or France were not at the top of the table until the end and they were the two favourites, who eventually pulled out.
Scotland is the second favourite this time. There is still hope. Just the pressure is on.
25

chazbud,

06/09/2008 17:44:13
#24 fair doos

team for iceland 4-3-3

GK Gordon
RB Broadfoot (will be hutton when fit)
LB Naysmith (need left back)
CB Berra (should be Weir when fit for 1 more year)
CB McManus
CM Brown
CM Robson (Thomson when fit)
CM Hartley (Fergie when fit)
ATT McFadden
ATT Boyd
ATT Maloney

Commons could create something and millers always going to be there.

What will it take to drop Fletcher...hes hopeless, totally over rated...rubbish, ive never seen him play well for Scotland, never.
26

chazbud,

06/09/2008 17:45:47
#26 we ALL had 4 extra games then to get 12 extra points, we only have 8 games, 7 now....2 against holland and 2 v norway included.....were miles away.
27

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 17:55:18
Iceland match, 4-5-1

Gordon

Broadfoot RB
Berra CB
McManus CB
Naismith LB

Commons RMF
Brown CMF
Hartley CMF
Robson CMF
Maloney LMF

McFadden S. (Fletcher and R.McCormack into the squad)
28

Stars in your eyes,

06/09/2008 17:56:46
Macedonia's best player was the stretcher that kept appearing on the pitch. They were rubbish, but Scotland were worse.

Played with two diddy forwards against Northern Ireland - no goals. Played the same two against Macedonia - no goals. I've got an idea lets play Miller and McFadden in the Iceland game!

The the two fullbacks have to go as well. Their distribution of the ball was wayward to put it mildly.
29

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:00:38
30

We lose at lot at right back with Hutton injured.

Time to look at different stiking options. We have not scored goals with the preferred front 2 for ages.
I know Faddy and the wonder goal but we need more than the once in while cracker.
30

Dundee Pie,

06/09/2008 18:01:17
Iceland match, 4-4-2

Gordon

Broadfoot RB
Berra CB
McManus CB
Naismith LB

Commons RMF
Brown CMF
Robson CMF
McFadden LMF

McCormack S
S. Fletcher S
31

Mel Gibson,

06/09/2008 18:05:41
Chazbud, you're a joke. Fletcher was seminal under Smith and then McLeish. If he's playing well for the best team in the world, of course he's going to get into the team. Brown is overrated, and Hartley is past it. How can you possibly play to you're true ability alongside those players. Mcmanus is awful as captain too.

And I think the Burley appointment his ultimately backfired. We've been useless under him and no result against Iceland should seal his fate.
32

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:06:50
like i said in #27, thats the strongest team within the current squad.

you could argue commons or maloney and miller or boyd up front but i like the sound of my team...4-3-3.

one of you press guys pass it onto george please.

ta
33

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:07:19
32

I would prefer 2 up front, but away from home with a 5 men midfield I would play Commons and Maloney wide and tell them to attack the fullbacks, and hopefully our fullbacks will support, 4-5-1 can easily turn to a 4-3-3 if the right personnel are used.

Agree with 33 that its time to look at other options up front and Fletcher and McCormack can score goals.
34

Stars in your eyes,

06/09/2008 18:09:02
31

I don't know who to play upfront but it would be nice to see someone hold the ball (not literally obviously), and be able to head the ball. Their defence had nothing to do first half. We haven't got many options, but I'd like to see something different.
35

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:10:08
#34 im a joke coz i dont rate fletch and you do??? mmm

opinions...n all that...i dont remember him playing well for scotland, 1 or 2 games under better managers hardly makes him a first pick, he has been rotten for months, playing for man u is easier than playing for scotland obviously!

give me peace mr gibson.....

and seminal what is seminal....he is a young boy who happens to be a squad player for man u, he'll be back on bench when others are fit again, i just fear it wont be scotlands bench...that means our midfield will continue to be dominated by mediocre players.
36

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:12:14
Scotland players technically superior? Scotland ranked 16th in the world?
Give me a break, none of the players in the Scottish team have anything on Pandev in terms of ability.
FAce facts Scotland was lucky to only lose 1-0, could have easily have been 3 or 4.
Outplayed by Macedonia, and all the excuses in the world will not help you, Scotland played terrible football, Macedonia at least looked threatening when they went forward, Scotland looked about as dangerous as a pussssy cat.
37

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:13:51
#36 steveie fletcher nevers plays well against better players, and surely mccormack is not scotland class....although i admit he could do better than miller, he has better control and skill than miller.but no not for SCOTLAND strikers....Boyd and A Nother....the most prolific striker in Britain(Boyd) needs a partner, i dont think burley has the bottle to play boyd n miller up front coz it would mean dropping faddy!
38

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:14:04
37

If the same old same old is not working and it has not the last 5 matches then a change in strikers is needed.

Both Fletcher and McCormack would not bring anything less than the 2 playing up front every international without any goals.

Why not give the young lads a crack they have done the job for their clubs and the U21 side.

What else does a young player have to do to get a game in a mediocre team at the moment.
39

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:15:47
#39 wasnt impressed by pandev, would have been a waste of 7m had rangers bought him. wasnt impressed by ANY player on park.maybe commons when he came on....looked different from usual rubbish.
40

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:16:56
And chazbud, what does this game say about Scotland? Absouletly terrible.
All the talk was about showing England how to beat Macedonia, yet England couldn't do it, nor could Croatia, nor could the Dutch. Seems Macedonia can actually play, didn't play so well today, but they were still good enough to beat Scotland.
The SPL is a far cry away from international football, when you have players like PAndev roaming the field, that volley he struck in the first half looked ferocious, and I believe was goal-bound. The Macedonians sat back, and punished Scotland when it mattered. It wasn't pretty but it was effective. A real British performance some might say! Now isn't that ironic!
41

Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:17:12
40 Chazbud

You're point is well taken but our first 2 matches ar hardly against the cream of World football.

The last few matches our strikers have done diddly, surely matches that we have coming up would be the perfect foil for new blood.
42

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:19:51
Chazbud, PAndev had a poor game, luckyfor Scotland really. Why Rangers didn't buy him? lol he laughed at Rangers, he didn't want to go - why would he leave Lazio to go play in some third tier European league?

MAybe you should watch some Serie A to see what he is about. A lot more than any Scottish lad is, that's for sure.
Fletcher is a complete waste of space, shouldn't be on the park.
I admit COmmons looked good when he came on, showed some urgency, got stuck in, Scotland needed more of that from the start.
43

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:20:09
#43 you would expect any PLAYER with any level of ability to try that volley, it sat perfect, no one was near him, what else was he to do, he caught it lovely but done nothing else....except dive about....and be booted up n down by caldwell
44

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 06/09/2008 18:21:09
1. Thing is, in the second half we played exactly like we did under Smith and especially McLeish, but didn't get any breaks. That was the only difference.

2. Fletcher's been a star for Scotland for the last two years and anyone who says otherwise is a complete idiot, but he had a nightmare today. Brown, McManus and Miller were invisible except when they were doing stuff wrong, and frankly in the first 45 EVERYONE except Gordon and (slightly) Robson was rank. In the second half we were an entirely different team, and robbed by a referee who got about 50% of his decisions wrong, and unfortunately the ones he got wrong in Macedonia's favour cost us dearly. Commons looked good, McFadden came to life and everyone looked like they'd had an amphetamine jab.

3. Our record without Barry Ferguson is better than our record with him, simple fact. His ponderous sideways play would have been no help in the first half today, since everyone else in white was already playing like that.

4. If we play against Iceland the way we played in the second half today, we'll get three points and be right back on track. (Most people would have been happy to take two points from these tricky away games, so three will do very nicely.) If we play like we did in the first half, our World Cup is over.
45

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:21:51
44 Daillyman

I hate to break it to you, but Scotland is hardly the cream of world football, all the teams from the former Yugoslavia can play, tonight was a poor match from both sides, but only one side looked like actually scoring and they did.

Starting to whinge like the poms it seems, enough said, Scotland isn't going to the World Cup.
46

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:24:31
#44 i agree we need to play boyd and maybe s.fletcer or....i dont know....someone who can do his running, the more i think of ross m and s.fletch im liking it....maybe that would work, but you wouldnt goto amsterdam arena eith fletch and ross m up front!!

#45 eh, because rangers are bigger than lazio, champs league football...more exposure for him...serie a has been in decline for 6-8 years now...he did fancy move to rangers...get over it, mcleish and murray didnt have ambition to get him.luckily enough for us!

your last 2 points you agree with me...fletcher crapp and commons looked good if a bit different.nice
47

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:25:28
#47 all 4 points rubbish....lies lies lies.....your no rev!!!

get a grip mate.
48

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:26:19
Any player could do that? really, we get the SPL on the telly in OZ, it's rubbish, that waste of space aussie Scot McDonaled scores millions in the SPL but can't score a goal to save himself for AUstralia... I don't even know why we pick him for OZ to be honest.
On the turn a volley like that, seen plenty of ppl sky that sort of chance. Like i said PAndev didn't play fantastic tonight, but you just sound like a sore loser, simple as that really.
Macedonia probably wont qualify, but neither will the Scots. The whole talk in the lead up was the results Macedonia has had recently, sounds like you guys were scared of them and it showed.
49

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:29:47
#51 not at all, it was nice technique, but for 30k or 60k a week you would expect someone to be able to do that...its not that hard...poor players would sky it, players with no vision would sky it...

skippy or scott mcd...is poor, over weight, not good enough for european or international football....SPL is poor defenders, poor dtrikers get goals...

i wasnt scared of macedonia...i thought we would win, but KNEW we would lose a goal.
50

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:32:05
Chaz, Pandev has come out saying he wants a move to the EPL, he even turned down Everton ( can't say i blame him for that).
And on what planet is Rangers a bigger club than Lazio? RAngers play in a two-bob league with 2 teams who do nothing in Europe on a consistent basis. If Lazio played in the SPL they'd win it every year with their side.
Rangers vs Zenit what was it 3-0? Rangers vs Liverpool in pre-season what was that 4-0? Rangers are in no way bigger than Lazio, they play in an inferior comp (regardless that Serie A has been in decline it is still in the top3 leagues in Europe)

Yes i agree about commons, he looked the goods, Fletcher I don't like him, but i've never liked him, prob because he plays for Man Ure.
McFadden started slow but came alive late on.

Still it's only one game, you don't win the league in the first week, and you certainly dont qualify after one game. A long way to go.
51

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:36:45
#54

turnover, supporters, gate receipts, gate attendances, staff numbers, quality of stadia, murray park, standard of player....need i go on....Lazio like Serie A have been in decline for years...what planet are you on???? Lazio have sometimes 1 or 2 very good players, but have done nothing recently...nothing...both old firm clubs are bigger than Lazio...OBVIOUSLY!! its not about your club side Lazio, its about Scotland.....

theres not a long way to go....it was only 8 games....7 now....1 game down no points....7 harder games to come.
52

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:36:56
I had a feeling Scotland would lose, whenever something is talked up so much, there is bound to be disappointment, it was making the telly here so I knew something was up. Normally they only cover the Three Lions here.

bubt chaz, Lazio have a self-imposed wage restriction, no player in their team earns more than 500k euro a year, last I checked, that may have changed, but I agree you would expect a player with his quality to hit that, he did catch it well, mind you that ipswich player had a nice hit in the second half which Gordon just got a hand to.

McDonald is terrible, finally someone agrees, I would never pick him for Oz, talk some sense into our coach. We play Holland tomorrow, they should wipe the floor with us, but it's a warm-up so hopefully we don't get embarrassed by Van rap$ist and co.
53

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:39:42
#56 your last sentence, funny but offside....

on yerself skip
54

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:40:44
commons play for ipswich??? sign him walter, swap for burke or adam...please.....lol
55

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:41:59
quality of stadia? Have you even been to the stadio Olimpico? It isn't as bad as you make out... And i'd much rather watch a roman derby than an old firm clash - rubbish, the players in rangers and celtic, wouldn't even make the field for lazio or roma. Enough said, McDonald leading scorer, shows the quality of the SPL, and i've seen SPL stadia, look like horse paddocks some of them, so really wake-up, what planet are you on. We have better stadiums in the A-League such as TesltRA Dome or SFS, Terry Butcher even said managing in the A-lEAGUE was bigger than managing in Scotland (not that i agree with that - but hardly a good rap)

Inter vs Milan or Rangers vs Celtic - gee what's the diff in quality on the pitch...

What dream world do you live in, enough said, England about to start, want to watch them swhi$%e themselves.

Good luck for the rest of the campaign, you guys will need it, but then again so will AUstralia so I can't say much.
56

chazbud,

06/09/2008 18:43:56
#59 agree to disagree.....

your getting tetchy, i guess your fighting a losing battle.

good luck anyway oz!

im away to watch x factor its in glasgow tonight!!!!! aaarrggghhhh

weegies in the house....

bye bye tartan army
57

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:44:07
not sure who commons plays for chaz, that number 8 for macedonia plays for ipswich though, kinda looks like Stevie Gerrard. didn't play like him though, apart from that shot he had.
58

DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 18:46:21
not getting touchy chaz, just realising it's hard to tell a Scot anything, even if it is reality, the English tried for centuries, you're a stubborn lot.

Serie A over SPL anyday, you woudlnt see Mourniho wasting his time at rangers or celtic, let's see, McDonald or Ibrahimovic, ronaldinho, kaka ... lol

see ya mate
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Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:50:20
48

Where did I say Scotland were the cream of World football?
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Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 18:50:31
Scotland were never going to qualify from this group with that team.
Not good enough, but they tried hard so I guess we owe them a wee clap.
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Daillyman,

06/09/2008 18:58:03
Media 1

You spouted the same rubbish during our last Euro campaign and the team finished an unlucky 3rd from a group with the WC finalists in it.

We were poor we lost a game get over it and on to the next hurdle. Love you fair weather Scotland supporters.
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DundeeeUTD,

Sydney 06/09/2008 19:00:30
#63 no you didn't lsiten, because you never wanted to hear the truth. Scotland were poor, didn't deserve to win. Simple. The SPL is terrible - FACT.
and furthermore Scotland isn't an independent country so shouldnt be part of these qualifiers, you cant be British fence sitters utilise British services, then be independent when it suits you!

You're ignorant and uneducated but you get that, you're from BRITAIN afterall
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Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 19:02:35
Dailyman

I acknowledged that the team tried their best, they just werent good enough! Scotland are not a footballing nation, we never have been.
I was hoping we would get lucky and take some points, but we didnt.
As I said, the lads tried hard. We wont qualify for 2010, which is a pity as I would love to watch Scotland playing here.
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Dundee Pie,

06/09/2008 19:05:18
Wrong topics on here now as usual. Still back Scotland to qualify - by a hair.
Macedonia have to come to Hampden.

For those doubters... there are still too many perturbations. Example: is t impossible for Norway to beat Macedonia at home and Scotland to defeat Norway away?
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Back tae skill,

06/09/2008 19:05:53
It can't be a coincidence that the top of the FIFA rankings contain Spain, Italy, Croatia, Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, Turkey and France - countries where it's warm. What do they do? They let the ball do the work.
All this talk of more effort is nonsense. Scotland needs to place more emphasis on basic techniques. Where are all the street footballers?
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Daillyman,

06/09/2008 19:13:15
Media 1

Scotland have never been a footballing nation, I think the heat has finally fried you brain.

As a small nation we regulary qualified for the WC, we never got through to the knock out phases but up until 10 years ago were regulary part of the big show.

Cast you're mind back to the tic as the first British club to win the EC. Rangers having made 4 European finals, both Dundee clubs reaching the EC semis, Utd in the UEFA final, the Dons winning 2 European trophies.

Not bad record for a nation of under 5mil, or as you say for a "nation that has never been a footballing nation"

As they say "if you knew the history"
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Daillyman,

06/09/2008 19:23:50
75 bto

As an expat I do miss the days when Scotland could field players like Law, Johnstone, Baxter, Dalgleish, Souness, Gilzean, the list is endless with the quality that Scotland has produced.

What ever the current group of players may lack in technical ability, when the pull that dark blue jersey on we should support them. They are all we have.

Look at the players missing from the squad today through injury. With a full side Scotland will take at least 2 goals from Macedonia at home and the 3 points.
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Muslim Jambo,

06/09/2008 19:38:07
Scotland should have played the Jambo's

Big mistake.
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Waspy100,

06/09/2008 19:50:34
Poor result gainst a poor team.
Defence was "away with the fairies" at the goal.
Gordon had a good rant.
Come on we should be beating teams like this easy
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Helter Skelter,

06/09/2008 19:50:44
Defeat was the worst possible result and we achieved that.

The World Cup Campaign is now in the bin....we needed a draw today, nothing less.... a win would have allowed us to steal a march, but a draw was the minimum reqirement.

I think it would be better if Burley resigned ...I think he missed his vocation as a care worker for the deaf.
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Waspy100,

06/09/2008 19:52:13
Anyway could be worse we could be playing Andorra.
HT 0-0
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Helter Skelter,

06/09/2008 19:56:05
Great line on an old Still Game episode to cheer everyone up :

"Hey Jack, you arenae hauf puttin' oan the beef !"

"That's coz every time ah sh@g yir wife she makes me a sandwich."
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tatties n, neeps,

06/09/2008 20:10:40
#80 so much for the 0-0 waspy.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 06/09/2008 20:30:37
Hindsight is wonderful but if the weather is so bad (sunny) why not come out and attack for 10 mins and then conserve energy?

There is no doubt Scotland were finishing the stronger team and had the correct refereeing decisions been made...

....but that is another story.

It would be nice though if Scotland could retain possession and conserve energy and hydration that way.
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James Moore,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 21:06:40
State of Scottish Football!

Sorry everyone but it's about time everyone faced up to the facts!

Football now adays is Big Business and i'm afraid it is failing in Scotland!

Look at the number of clubs there are in Scotland, too many small and meaningless clubs. Time for some clubs to join forces with their nearest clubs and pull their playing resources and finances together.

I would like to see 20 strong and powerful clubs rather than the forty or so small clubs.

Scottish football is now like a mickey mouse league!

look at Rangers and Celtic, they wouldn't last in the English Premier League because their current crop of players are not good enough!
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 21:12:00
#74

The most intelligent analysis. Well said.
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 21:19:39
#85

Oh aye? There are only 7 or 8 clubs with a bigger turnover in England compared to the Old Firm. The difference is that in the EPL you get handed £45M at the start of each season (equivalent to profit). On top of that you can then negotiate better sponsorship deals. If the Old Firm were in the EPL and were given this cash award at the start of each season which club would players prefer to play for? Hull City, WBA, Fulham, Sunderland, Middlesbrough........... With that injection of cash Celtic and Rangers would be turning over more than £100M each!
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Jambo-ree,

06/09/2008 21:20:50
#79 Maybe Burley just missed Vlad's advice on who should be playing and when to make the substitutes?

Not the end of the world and let's wait and see how things turn out after the first round of games. Puts the pressure on for a positive result in Iceland though. And let's be honest, Macedonia have had some fair results in the recent past - no mugs.
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Jambo-ree,

06/09/2008 21:25:43
#87 Do you honestly believe that the OF would ever get into the EPL?
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06/09/2008 21:35:36
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James Moore,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 21:38:19
All i want to see is real change and direction of Scottish Football!

The game in Scotland is going backwards!

I'll say again, Time for the game in Scotland to be modernised!

Time for 2 strong leagues of 10 totalling 20 clubs rather than 40 pathetic small clubs.
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Jambo-ree,

06/09/2008 21:42:05
#90 Behave your self, clone.

Miko scored for Lithuania though - good win 3-0 away from home to Romania. Good news is that Norway and Iceland drew so not too much damage today. See Holland lost to Australia too.
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 21:51:51
#89

No they won't because they would then knock two teams out of the EPL! Who's going to vote for that?
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow 06/09/2008 21:53:26
The Scottish national team is piss. The SPL set up is piss. Thousands of football supporters leave their home town teams every Saturday to go to either Parkhead or Ibrox to support teams that have absolutely no connection to the towns from which these same supporters have just come,and the reason you may ask? Ignorant sectarianism. The downfall of Scottish football and the scourge of the Scottish nation. Let us now all arise and rid our nation of this blight,this ignorance this curse and let us resolve never to be divided again,under any circumstances.

Scotland united ,thats the football team to follow!
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow 06/09/2008 21:55:22
#94... I had to use the word piss,because pi@h is banned.See what I mean?
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Ribbonman,

06/09/2008 21:59:15
#66 BTO...... Should you not be supporting England,you being a Rangers supporter and all that?
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 22:05:06
#94
#95
#96

What if you don't have a "home town" team? We don't all live in Towns and Cities. What if you have moved around the country because of parents, work, circumstances beyond your control? What if you don't reside in Scotland?
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tatties n, neeps,

06/09/2008 22:20:06
#87-93-97 Sorry Jerrymanders but if we were part of the EPL most of our fellow countrymen would be campaigning on these threads wanting an independant Scottish league and seperation from England , as in the case of the Olympic/Team G.B/Independant Scotland team,we are where we are because of who we are, period.
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 22:47:45
#98

Er, I was not campaigning for application to the EPL, just stating the facts.
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tatties n, neeps,

06/09/2008 23:02:25
#99 No problem , wouldn't say no the EPL tho' eh , still dream on,good night.
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Der Kaiser,

06/09/2008 23:05:34
Don't know what is worse.
Watching my country getting their qualifying off to the worst start or this comment...

#16
No BF, no Scotland

Utter rubbish. One of the most over-rated players in Scottish football and certainly not missed in my opinion.
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jerrymanders,

06/09/2008 23:09:21
#100

cheers
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Ribbonman,

06/09/2008 23:30:32
#97 Jerry. If what you say is true,why go to Parkhead or Ibrox? Why not just be all things to all men?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

06/09/2008 23:34:39
Gibbonman

never mind jerry.

I'm far more interested in you backing up your accusations of me being a "sectarian bigot."

Over to you.
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow 06/09/2008 23:39:00
#86 Jerry..commenting on#74...you said... " the most intelligent analysis" This is from one Celtic supporter to one Rangers supporter. How cosy! is this how the "old firm" got its name? When in danger of being broken up,lets stick together. What a hypocrite you really are.
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow 06/09/2008 23:45:07
104... You are a bigot,but a sleek creepy,pleasant type of bigot.One who sometimes goes about his daily work without being noticed as a bigot. I am sure that the people in Reading would not recognise you as a bigot,but bigots take many forms,and you are one.Dont try to fool those who can spot a bigot from far off!
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 06/09/2008 23:46:50
104 Good night BIGOT!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

06/09/2008 23:46:50
Like I say, demonstrate it.

Or crawl back up your own backside, where most of your ideas appear to reside.

Show me one sectarian comment, or shut up.
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Ribbonman,

06/09/2008 23:49:23
#109 Like I said,sleep on it bigot. Arise to the new dawn where your sweetly hidden bigotry will be a thing of the past.