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No stampede from Tartan Army to subsidise £1m Argentina visit



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Published Date: 09 July 2008
THE Scottish Football Association has received a cool response from fans after being handed an opportunity to bring Argentina to Hampden in November.
The SFA has conducted initial discussions with agents acting for the Argentine FA and a game has been proposed for Wednesday 19 November. However, with Argentina charging a reported £1 million for the privilege of hosting them the SFA have taken the unusual move of canvassing supporters in order to assess the appetite for such a fixture, particularly when the extravagant cost will be met mostly by the fans.

With the coverage of Scotland matches already tied up in existing contracts the most significant method at the SFA's disposal by which to cover their costs is admission price.

The top-price seats for competitive Scotland matches currently sell for £35, while the highest cost of a ticket for the visit of Northern Ireland to Hampden in next month's friendly will be £20. For the visit of Argentina, however, prices will need to be between the £40-50 mark for a clash which is scheduled a month after an away double-header against Iceland and Macedonia as Scotland bid to qualify for the World Cup in 2010.

Gordon Smith, the SFA president, argued that games against leading football nations are required to aid Scotland's chances of qualifying for major championships but he accepts there are economic obstacles involved. There was an outcry about ticket prices for the recent friendly with Croatia, a game watched by a crowd of 28,821.

In an era before top-ranking footballing countries began charging vast 'appearance-fee' sums, Argentina were happy to include a 17-year-old called Diego Maradona in their side for a friendly at Hampden Park in 1979. Maradona scored his first goal for his country in a 3-1 win. Scotland got their revenge in March 1990 when the then world champions fell to a Stewart McKimmie goal, in front of 51,537 fans.

"If we want to keep on improving, we have to continually test ourselves against top class opposition," said Smith yesterday. "And, if we want to do more than qualify for a World Cup Finals, but also make our mark at them, we have to play against different styles of teams from around the world, not just from Europe. We want to play teams of the quality of Argentina and Brazil, but the match fees and expenses involved in bringing any top class team to Hampden can be substantial."

Tartan Army fans welcomed the SFA's desire to interact with supporters but many have balked at the increase in ticket price and some fear the prospect of Argentina's star players calling-off prior to the match. Although Smith will seek assurances from Argentina that players such as Lionel Messi and Carlos Tevez will feature, there is no way of guaranteeing their inclusion as club managers seek to protect their players at a critical stage of the season.

"Trying to attract the best teams to Hampden is great, but whether a high-priced match v Argentina on a Wednesday in November in Glasgow is the right time to do it I am not so sure," said Tam Ferry, deputy spokesman for the Association of Tartan Army Clubs. "Fans would probably still pay the price being asked, but under protest. We will not be long back from the worst double-header in history, which is Macedonia and then Iceland. It is five weeks before Christmas and it's right in the middle of the Champions League. What players are actually going to be available from both Scotland and Argentina? The last thing you want to do is pay £45 for a match when half the players are missing."

Simon Johnston, another Tartan Army office bearer, shared Ferry's view. "It would be great to test ourselves against Argentina, especially ahead of the Holland game in Rotterdam in March, but the prices seem very high for a friendly."

Smith is aware of the concerns, although football is not alone. The Scottish Rugby Union was forced to charge a top price of £175 for last year's match against New Zealand at Murrayfield. The cheapest ticket available was £38.

"We will always strive to keep ticket prices down, but if we want to play the very best, then there will be an impact on ticket prices," said Smith. "If we were to play Argentina later this year, then in order to cover all the costs involved, the ticket prices would be higher than for a normal friendly match – indeed, there is every likelihood that the prices would be more than for our competitive matches.

"Today we are starting a debate. We want the fans and the media to talk about this issue frankly and openly. The question is a simple one. Are we prepared to pay more so that Scotland can play against the world's best?"

The answer to this question is not clear-cut, with concerns having been raised about the gradual increase in ticket prices at football matches.

"Prices have crept up," said Ferry. "We played the world champions (Italy] and the runners up (France] in the last campaign and tickets were £27 and £25. My fear would be they sign a contract with the Argentine FA and the SFA loses money because they can't sell all the tickets. From a purely football point of view it would be brilliant, but whether the fans would pay the money I am not so sure. I am getting mixed messages. Some are saying, 'yes I would pay under duress' or 'no I would not pay it'. It's their call. We will ask the fans and then give the SFA a frank answer, as we always do."

The SFA is expected to reach a decision within the next two weeks, with Argentina in demand by other countries prepared to pay a £1million fee. Their currently 'free' night of 19 November won't stay that way for long.

"It's been a measured response so far," said an SFA spokesman. "One of the strongest arguments coming through on the negative side is that people balk at the idea of paying more for a friendly than they would do a competitive match. Whereas on the other side there is a desire for us to test ourselves against the strongest countries.

"The cost is one of those things now in modern football – countries like Argentina have sold the rights on to a third party and that's who you have to deal with."

FACT BOX

ENGLAND v CROATIA

Wembley, 21 November 2007
Euro 2008 qualifer
£30-£60

SCOTLAND v ITALY

Hampden, 17 November 2007
Euro 2008 qualifier
£24-£35

SPAIN v GERMANY

Ernst Happel stadium, 29 June 2008
Euro 2008 final
£127-£278

THE OPEN

Day ticket for Royal Birkdale, 21 July
£55

SCOTLAND v ENGLAND

One-day cricket international
The Grange, 18 August
£48

SCOTLAND v WALES

Six Nations rugby international, 8 Feb 2009
£30-£60

WIMBLEDON MEN'S FINAL

Centre Court ticket, 6 July
£91

BRITISH GRAND PRIX

Silverstone, 6 July
£99

The full article contains 1183 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Swordsman,

Dublin 09/07/2008 00:09:04
the cost of sitting in front of the box with a slab of lager,a KFC bucket ...£30 tops...

Question:"What's wrong with this picture,SFA?"
2

jerrymanders,

09/07/2008 00:24:50
the cost of sitting in front of the box with a slab of lager,a KFC bucket ...£30 tops...

JCD after half time?
3

Radge Roberto,

barnton 09/07/2008 02:29:56
the scotland v england one day cricket cost seems pretty good value - NOT !
4

Radge Roberto,

barnton 09/07/2008 02:31:12
A mill to get gubbed sounds like good value too !
5

Radge Roberto,

barnton 09/07/2008 02:32:19
Season ticket to the Jams - priceless !
6

freewheelin franklin,

london 09/07/2008 03:54:08
why on earth would scotland want to play argentina? we need to play against european teams in order to stand a better chance of qualifiying. #5 has a good point we,ll just get beat and learn nothing. how bout a constructive friendly against maybe sweden,russia,greece,turkey,portugal or even england. a game we may compete in and learn from .




7

freewheelin franklin,

london 09/07/2008 04:53:59
#8 ok maybe we would have a chance against them, although im sure both teams would not use their 1st 11.but scotland need more exposure against the top teams in europe in order to further qualification chances.even if burley gets the best from the players we are still an outside bet to get to any major tournament. why play a glamour game.
8

jamurai,

09/07/2008 05:00:19
1. We would not be playing "the best," more likely a B side with a spatterring of biggish names.
2. No we don't need to be playing non-European oppostion any time soon-its two years still until the next world cup and IF we qualify we can pick up a couple of friendlies easily-qualified countries are always in demand.

So tell them to eff off and stick their cash demands.
Let them pay US if they want a game- we're,after all, providing the jumpers.
9

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 09/07/2008 06:29:11
International friendlies are a load of tosh.

It might be worth watching Scotland playing Argentine if it was written into the contract that Messei, Teves etc were guaranteed to play - otherwise, since a friendly is a development game for a competitive international, we'd be as well playing a European side, and charging less for tickets.
10

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Bigwull,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:15:52
I wouldn't pay 2p to watch Scotland (GFA) team
12

bring them on,

09/07/2008 08:19:47
#13

And I'm confident you don't have it either.

Help is available-

www.soapsoupforolddodgers.com
13

Bigwull,

edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:25:59
I think its the "tartan army" that needs help
14

Stanley,

09/07/2008 09:15:24
I think the greed of the Argies will backfire on them as wee bit. I like the idea of consulting the fans and asking them if they want to pay extra. If (miserable us) we decide we dont fancy £40 a pop to see a friendly, then who's to say what may happen in the future? Would it start a trend where countries coming for friendlies to non-Sky subsidised countries like ours will to told to FRO? Hope so. Worlds gone mad and I think its grand that we can make a statement like this.
15

Beefnut,

09/07/2008 09:24:39
Oh how the purse strings are straining.

Think like a peasent, Live like a peasent.
The fact that you have to ask the people if they would pay for one of the worlds great teams is an out and out rank embaressment. You are only poor if you think you are poor. In this case Scotland once again shows herself to be poor of mind.

If you want to play like the best, you play with the best. This is the only way to increase your skill level. Even if the Argies sent over an understrength team- we either win and have our confidence boosted, or we loose and realise that we are not even good enough to beat and under-strength Argie team and need to work a damn site harder.

Not to mention our dour humdrum world will be lit up for a few days with a bit of South American flair.

The Aussies have asked the Argies to play in Australia and are they falling over themselves to get tickets. They want to learn and are desperate to play againts top teams. This is why they qualified for the final 16 in the last world cup (Only their second time at a worls cup as well).
Life is about enjoyment, not how much will it cost.

WAKE UP SCOTLAND AND FOR FOKES SAKE, STOP COUNTING THE COST, AND START DEMANDING THE BEST!!!!!
16

Steve_HMFC,

09/07/2008 09:41:35
£1M? To play against a World Cup quarter finalist? We just played against Ukraine, another World Cup Quarter Finalist, they didnt charge a million.

Don't think many of us will be forking out for a friendly just a couple months after the double header
17

cockney Mike,

09/07/2008 09:50:25
I'm with #7, this shouldn't even be an argument about money, it should be about the teams we are playing.

We need to learn to beat the 2nd tier European teams, far more than we need to beat the the Argies. When we can, and do, do that regularly then it would be worth talking to some non-European countries - but I'd say try to get some african nations as there are more of them, and they'll be more surprising; as we all know that Argentina are good, but who knew how good Morrocco where in 1998?

These are the teams we're going to need to beat to progress to the 2nd rd of the world cup not Argentina!
18

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

09/07/2008 10:10:14

If past friendlies are anything to go by, id rather eat my £40.
19

CHUCKY,

09/07/2008 10:14:25
If the top man in charge of the game even thinks this would make money / break even, I despair.

Wrong man in the job............but I always knew that.

Signed

One of the enemy.
20

Stanley,

09/07/2008 11:07:14
#21 chucky, in your rush to share your opinion of the man, it seems the calculator has been left at home. Are you saying that £1m couldnt be generated in revenues from tickets to cover the costs plus any other stuff? Even a quick 50k at £40 per ticket looks like plenty. The question,I'm sure, is not if we can cover, but how much would the fans be willing to pay to ensure the costs are covered (if that makes sense!)
21

G,

dundee 09/07/2008 12:19:58
The SFA has business development people so why aren't they out getting sponsorship and doing tie-in deals!?

I shouldn't be too hard to cut the cost OR at least TRY!!!
But why expect the SFA to think!
22

Voice of the mysterons,

MArs 09/07/2008 13:03:24
£20 X 50,000 seats =£1M. Take the stewarding and police costs from the program and catering sales. Additional income from hostility seats/television etc and the game pays for itself, big team play in Glasgow and SFA get a sell out, cover their costs and PLEASE the fans.
Could it be that the £35 ticket is because the SFA want their share as well and the Tartan Army are mug enough to pay?
23

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 09/07/2008 13:06:54
addendum - sorry the Tartan Army Deemed mug enough.... you get the drift.
24

Survivor Of Riots,

09/07/2008 13:33:58
I made a commitment never to pay the SFA another penny for a friendly international when they gutlessly allowed ReaRangers players to pull out of George Burleys last first game against Croatia.

So are they saying I should pay extra now to see the fairweather Scotland players 'cos its Argentina? Oh they will all be there now of course. We might even beat them. I was there when McKimmie scored and we beat them 1-0 at Hampden...however, they will be like snow of a dyke again when it doesn't suit them to show up and the SFA will (again) do he-haw to ensure that the average tartan army foot soldier is well looked after.

Gordon Nice - a splendid appointment!
25

Young Asa,

Dunfermline 09/07/2008 14:21:46
#3 They did
26

Jealousy,jealousy,

09/07/2008 15:24:56
#26 SOR

I take it you had the same view when you lot pulled ALL your players out the Kirin Cup? Which incidently we managed to win without them.

Tims = Hypocrites.

Ti
27

Stanley,

09/07/2008 16:32:50
#28 Its pretty tiresome truth be told. I do love the "credibility" pitch
"I made a commitment never to pay the SFA another penny for a friendly international when they gutlessly allowed ReaRangers players to pull out of George Burleys last first game against Croatia."
Completely and utterly true 100% factual couldnt not be true statment!!
What was it Jim Royale used to say?

28

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FTH22inarow,

09/07/2008 17:06:57
28 Hearts had a cup final to play and win at that time
30

J M,

Houston 09/07/2008 17:47:16
1. Why isn't anybody asking how much it costs for us to travel there? Surely not 1 million???

2. To qualify in any tournament we have to beat European teams, lets start with accomplishing that on a REGULAR basis before biting nails over 1 million pounds for the Argies.

3. A friendly versus England to me is worth 1 million AND I would do it every year. If money is the problem look to what we desire the most. A home nations tournament, BRING IT BACK!

4. If Argentina is a must for development why not make it a 2 or 4 year deal for Home and away - give it more appeal for supporters to "support" it. It's all about how you dress it up. To get strong development in sports you need money. To get money you need sponsors. To get sponsors you need supoprters and to get supporters you need to give us not just a meaningless game, give it an edge, build it up. Try to be a little more imaginative/innovative!

Ok I'm done!
31

Survivor Of Riots,

09/07/2008 19:58:24
#28 JJ - the mighty Celts stated their priorities in advance. People an agree or disagree accordingly. Not sure many of the tartan army lost anything travelling to Japan. Those who travelled would have done soe regardless.

By the logic of - will you pay in advance of watching a great team at Hampden works in reverse....will I get a refund if a full team doesn't?

Ya Dhunderheid!!



 

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