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Vogts deserves some of the credit for Scotland's resurgence, insists Burns

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Published Date: 04 October 2006
TOMMY Burns yesterday broke with what previously appeared to be unwritten Scottish football protocol by insisting that followers of the national team should retain an element of gratitude towards the former manager, Berti Vogts.
The German, widely castigated for his team's results and use of players during a largely forgettable spell as Walter Smith's predecessor, blooded many of the current Scotland team during his 32-month tenure; a factor not lost on Burns ahead of France's visit to Hampden on Saturday. The Celtic coach was assistant to Vogts and has remained in the same position since Smith's appointment two years ago, making him suitably qualified to discuss the relative merits of each manager.

"I saw how low things could go, how unrealistic people's opinions can be, how they want instant success," said Burns. "The last manager went through a harrowing time with no real sense of realism over what he was trying to do. People didn't understand that and I lived through it with him - I saw how difficult it was.

"Slowly but surely, you can see that there was a purpose and a reason for all the games we played. We had to see what kind of players we had to rebuild the Scottish team; Walter has come in and picked things up, putting his own stamp on things, and the players have bought into that. Now, the sun shines again, but we must treat both managers with the same respect."

While Burns readily concedes that many of the players capped by Vogts "haven't been seen since", the former Scotland international retains a strong belief that the likes of Darren Fletcher, James McFadden, Gary Caldwell and Graham Alexander have enjoyed a smoother than normal integration into the international scene thanks to the former manager's willingness to give youth a chance.

Burns added: "It was an experience we had to go through, all of that. When Berti came in, there weren't many players who could be identified as international players. It was just a question of getting Scottish players who were playing in their first team into the national set-up to see if they could cope. I thought he was a brave man. Many a time I told him that he may not be here to get the benefits from what he was doing, but he knew that. He still knew the process had to go on, to find out who could play at international level. A considerable number of those players are now doing very well."

Burns still keeps in contact with Vogts and revealed: "He's been the first guy on the phone before every game since Walter took over. He has phoned me before games to wish the boys and Walter all the best. He has no bitterness whatsoever."

Burns, speaking to promote this evening's Celtic v Liverpool Legends match at Parkhead - a match featuring the likes of Kenny Dalglish, Steve McManaman, Frank McAvennie and Brian McClair - is clearly still haunted by the stark criticism which surrounded the Vogts regime.

At that point, Scotland tumbled down the world rankings having won only nine of the German's 32 matches in charge and any return from the international wilderness appeared little more than an unattainable dream. And, understandably, with that spell in mind, Burns is unlikely to be caught up in the euphoria, verging on hysteria in certain quarters, surrounding the visit of Raymond Domenech's side.

"You have to realise that things can all change very quickly," Burns insists. "At this moment in time, we have a group of players who have done exceptionally well over the past 18 months.

"The expectation level will continue to grow, because it's no longer a case of looking at Caldwell or Fletcher or McFadden and thinking they still have some international games before they can be judged. They all have maybe 18 caps now, so they have to be confident in their own ability to go and set their own standards for Scotland.

"The fans have been unbelievable in the way they have stuck by Scotland. But people within the game, within the team, and certainly the manager have to keep a sense of realism.

"As sure as night follows day, the fans will turn up expecting Scotland to beat France.

"That's the great thing about Scottish people, but it can also be their undoing. There is no real sense of reality here."

Yet the assistant manager wants supporters to be in little doubt over the skills and qualities required to defeat the on-form World Cup runners-up. He said: "We must make ourselves hard to beat, we can't go gung-ho, it has to be a patient game but it must be played with spirit, enthusiasm and a real competitive edge."

• Celtic Legends v Liverpool Legends, tonight at Celtic Park, kick-off 7.45pm. Tickets, costing £10 for adults and £5 for concessions, are available by calling 0871 226 1888. All proceeds raised will go to the Celtic Charity Fund.

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1

Jon Bon Jovi,

nevis 04/10/2006 00:33:06

any manager taking over from brown would have done the same in blooding new players.... what burns is trying to accomplish from this rant is beyond me!! idiot

2

KingKenny,

04/10/2006 06:33:02

http://www.cyworld.com/jhk201487

Vogts Love Scotland but That is ALL

3

Paul Voltaire,

04/10/2006 06:55:29

Tommy??

Eh, Naw!!

4

Big Ot,

Aberdeen 04/10/2006 07:16:26

No wonder Vogts has no bitterness. A huge pay-off from the SFA and a carte-blanche to criticise Scotland fans were his reward for 2 years of shambolic, embarrasing, shapeless, pitiful performances. Along with David Taylor he was responsible for damn near ruining Scottish football.
And now we should be patting him on the back for somehow unearthing a couple of diamonds in amongst the sea of turds ?
Aye, that'll be right.
On yer bike Vogts, you stumbling idiot. Hopefully someday Taylor will join you in obscurity.

5

Malkie,

04/10/2006 07:53:13

Have to say Craig Brown, (head of youth development for Scotland, prior to his management stints) left a dreadful legacy. Produced a team dedicated to the clean sheet, gave precisely no one a chance, did nothing to develop new players. Spent most of his time in the press saying we shouldn't expect much.

Vogts made his mistakes, but the situation wasn't entirely of his making.

6

christopher,

04/10/2006 08:38:46

you can slag off brown all you like but he was the last manager to take us to major finals. smith will be the next!!

come on scotland

7

Jacomo,

04/10/2006 09:16:24

Brown left an ageing team that needed rebuilding. No argument there. But, as Christopher says, at least he achieved something with it.

Berti Vogts might be a nice guy, but his Scotland team were shambolic and inept. That's the only measurement that really matters.

No more lectures from the No.2, please, on what Scotland fans should think. Burns deserves to count himself lucky he's still in the job.

8

Barry R,

04/10/2006 09:45:00

I don't think Vogts was a brilliant motivational speaker and probably didn't get the best out of the squad, however, I don't think he was as bad as some people make out. He's often ridiculed for his draw against the Faroes, which was a bad result, but no worse than Craig Brown's draw against them the year before. And yes Brown did lead us to France '98, but he also failed in 2000 and 2002 (and let's not forget how dull he was. I went to see Scotland v Finland in a friendly c. 1999 and Scotland started with 5 (FIVE) centre halves!) The starting team that beat Lithuania last time I believe contained 9 players that earned their first cap under Vogts. Also let's not forget that Vogts always said that it would take 5 years before the team was capable of achieving things and that there was a long term plan.

9

littlejohn,

australia 04/10/2006 09:58:44

lets forget all the talk and get the job done and make
a name for our self show the rest of the world what
we are made of scotland for ever

tam

10

christopher,

04/10/2006 10:04:06

i was at easter road that night we played finland and yes it was a poor show.

all i'll say here is smith, if he stays long enough, will provide grit and determination. this is a man who knows how to win football matches and is tactically astute..... most of the time. success breeds success. on top of this there is a ream of talent coming through. it makes you wonder what we could have achieved if the number of imported duds had not been so high. the talent has always been in scotland just no-one gave it a chance. they have to now and i hear the scotland national team are going to get a dedicated training centre, which perhaps other clubs in the country that are less fortunate than the bigger sides could use to help improve the youth in their respective club teams. i have said for years what goes around comes around and slowly but surely scotland are turning the corner.

11

Russell,

04/10/2006 10:29:53

I think Tommy is wide of the mark here. Perhaps he feels as culpable as Vogts for the poor results during Berti's tenure (possibly rightly so) and as a result is trying to save face.

Whilst Vogt's results may not have been a huge deal worse than Brown's, at least Craig Brown felt he knew was his best starting 11 was (frustrating as that was!) and didn't openly declare himself unsure of what to do in order to improve matters.

Personally I think we have little to thank Berti Vogts for and if Tommy Burns is seriously suggesting we should accredit Vogts with some part in Scotland's recent resurgence, then a rather annoying catchprase from Ricky Gervais' Extras immediately springs to mind.

12

Peter 100,

04/10/2006 11:35:28

Come on everyone he does deserve some credit, if he hadn't taken us to the depths we wouldn't have been able to climb back up

13

StuartH,

Dundee 04/10/2006 11:36:30

I think Tommy is spot on, the Scotland team had been stuck with geriatrics for years, with everyone afraid to change it and blood new players because of the fear of not qualifying for something. That short-sightedness, while understandable to some extent, led to there being a dreadful shortfall of experienced international players who weren't already retiring at the end of Brown's tenure.

Vogts did the right thing in getting youth into the team regardless of the results that would come our way, and the Scottish team is paying some dividends for it now. Whether he was tactically naive or a poor motivator is another issue, and something that the media blew up out of all proportion anyway to make him a laughing stock, and which the general public bought into. He had the bottle to try youth to make the team better in the long run. The previous managers didn't dare do that, and we suffered in the interim as a consequence.

14

Peter 100,

04/10/2006 11:37:34

Does Tommy, think that no other managers would have played the likes of Fletcher, McFadden, come on Tommy stop talking mince

15

StephenB,

Edinburgh 04/10/2006 12:15:08

Russell #11 gets it spot on - this is just Burns trying to escape blame for his part in the whole McVogts fiasco.
Yes, Brown didn't leave a lot fo rthe next man to work with.
Yes, Vogts introduced some new players we still see - but dozens others who you wouldn't recognise if they turned up to sell programmes at Hampden.
The man was a joke and caused huge damage to Scottish football, and Burns should have the b*lls to admit his part in it. But then he never does.

16

Sean South,

04/10/2006 14:24:40

Youse Huns are all the same, slag Tommy off because he comes from the wrong side!
Stuart #13, thank god someone's not letting bitterness and bigotry get in the way of the truth, Brown was a boring unimaginative eedjit, Vogts had a hard and unpallatable task, one that was always going to be impossible to sell to the supporters,
he did it anyway!
Now, all the bluenoses want to try and deny that Vogts had any tactical nounse, probably because they want to up walter smith as the saviour of scottish football. Something to do with reflected glory probably, they just can't accept what they see as 'one of us working with one of them', and they're probably still p***ed off that under Vogts it didn't matter what team you played for to get selected.
It must be hard to accept the fact that the only reason their lads don't dominate the scottish selection any more is because they're pretty c**p actually. Stop being a bunch of moronic muppets, take off the blue glasses and get behind your national team for a change.
Go Scotland!!!

17

Johnny Jambo,

04/10/2006 15:31:00

Come on guys, whilst Berti never won anything with Scotland, he is the only Scotland Manager who has actually won anything with an international team so he did have the pedigree. And yes he did introduce a lot of good young players to the Scotland Squad, I agree with the Poster who says his motivational skill left a lot to be desired though, but maybe that was Tommy's Job at the time although the players could probabaly understand Berti better than Tommy.

18

i hate the old farts of embra,

Edinburgh 04/10/2006 15:59:31

why is tommy still there?

19

Brendan Jones-Kerr,

05/10/2006 06:39:42

# 16 But Scotland play in blue.


 

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