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Published Date: 18 February 2009
As the supporters see it...
ABERDEEN

A DISAPPOINTING result on Saturday and, apparently, according to one commentator, 'not a game for the purists'. Who are these purists? They should learn to appreciate great games like Saturday's.

The atmosphere in the
ground was fierce and there was the same commitment on the pitch – yet there were no red cards.

The game saw subtle shifts between periods of dominance for both teams, and had a frantic end with the Dons swarming over Hearts' goal, desperate to snatch that vital equaliser.

The game also had great goals, including the clichéd 'contender for Goal of the Season' from Mackigol. Who says players raise their game just as their contract runs out? Dazzer penned a new contract last week and played like his life depended on it.

In fact, the game had everything that the Old Firm borefest didn't. Maybe the purists liked that one. If so, they can keep 'pure' football – we'll take ours contaminated thanks.

Craig Stewart
www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk


CELTIC


YOU know the bit in Omen II when the crow swoops down on the reporter and plucks her eyes out and then she gets hit by the truck? I yearned for a similar fate whilst watching that dirge on Sunday!

The man with no surname deserves the title of the John Major of Scottish football. The same dire, anti-football tactic employed on each of his previous visits was utilised again. I actually thought the Rangers management might look at Celtic's recent poor form and really go for it. But, no, they came for a draw and got it. Chick Young salutes you!

Celtic, at least, made an attempt to play some football. Admittedly, we were gash at it but at least we tried. Our lack of pace and guile in midfield, coupled with limited movement up front, always meant we were unlikely to trouble the Rangers' 1-5-5 defence.

A lot was made of referee Calum Murray ending the game early; I doubt it would have mattered. One team couldn't score and the other team was happy not to score.

Dave Devine


DUNDEE UNITED


TWO incredibly important games coming up for United. This coming Saturday's visit to Aberdeen is all the more interesting because of both teams suffering a dip in earlier season form, then in-form Hearts' visit to Tannadice will be a strong test of whether we can be regarded as serious contenders for third.

To be honest, Saturday's performance against Inverness didn't do a lot to fill the heart with confidence that our recent defensive mishaps have been thoroughly banished. Scott Robertson's presence is being seriously missed (as, one hates to admit, is Willo Flood's) as we struggle to dominate the middle of the park as we did so effectively earlier in the season.

Paul Caddis acquitted himself well, and it was nice to see young Andis Shala get his first SPL run-out of the season (missed chances aside) and Sir Craig Levein has hinted that we may well get our first look at James Wesolowski at Pittodrie. Strong hearts are required.

Hamish Mackintosh
www.united-mad.co.uk


FALKIRK


AFTER the thrills and spills of the cup last week it was a return to league duty and a visit to St Mirren's tidy new stadium. Certainly Yogi set out a bold three-pronged attack with Michael Higdon and Steve Lovell alongside Carl Finnigan, who grabbed a cracking equaliser after the Saints had gone ahead.

A couple of months ago going a goal down may have seen the Bairns almost accept defeat as inevitable, but right now Falkirk have rediscovered their fire and passion. A lot of this stems from solid new partnerships at the back between Steven Pressley, Darren Barr, Dean Holden and Lee Bullen and the trust building between them and new keeper Dani Mallo.

Our youth policy continues to provide the stars of the future with Kevin Moffat, Chris Mitchell and Mark Stewart all involved. Also, our under-19 side have reached the semi final of the Youth Cup after a 2-0 victory over Hamilton on Sunday. No less than five of our squad were called up for the Scotland under-21 gathering.

Brian Guthrie
www.bairnstrust.com


HAMILTON ACCIES


ONE of the papers last week mentioned that Accies' brilliant Czech goalkeeper Tomas Cerny almost turned his hand to fruit picking while he tried to find a Scottish club. Well, Tomas had so much time on his hands on Saturday afternoon that he could have left with a couple of pounds of Maris Pipers from the tatty field that is Fir Park.

Accies were perhaps a bit fortunate during January, when they won all four league games, but their luck ran out on Saturday with Simon Mensing's early effort being wrongly ruled out and then David Clarkson scoring a flukey winner just before the break. Accies did play well though and can be reasonably confident about their prospects for the remainder of the season.

One of the most pleasing aspects of Saturday's game was how well Kenny Deuchar fitted into the Accies team. His arrival gives Billy Reid more attacking options and I'm sure he'll score goals. He returns to face his first club Falkirk on Saturday and that would be a great place for him to open his account.

Gilbert Mowat


HEARTS


GIVEN their growing hatred of us, it's always a pleasure to send the Dons fans home with their tails between their legs and their A4-sized flags folded neatly into their back pockets. It was a well-deserved victory and a hugely encouraging performance, particularly from David Obua. Apart from Mackie's superb strike and a close call at the end, the visitors rarely threatened. As Tangoman had noted, the sale of Berra and absence of Zaliukas clearly weakens us, but against the likes of Aberdeen, we should have enough to cope.

Next up are St Mirren, and as someone who would have been unable to attend a rearranged game, I am glad Hearts stood firm on the date. St Mirren's disappointment is perhaps understandable, but they should get their facts straight, as we have suffered from the similar inflexibility of opponents on a number of occasions. Maybe it's the sort of situation the SPL needs to clarify with a rule. Anyway, St Mirren are the last club that should expect any favours from us. Memories of 1986 still run deep.

Sandy Leonard


HIBERNIAN


ANOTHER week and, for most Hibs fans, another lost opportunity. I feel like I'm just copying the same comments in this column each week as Hibs under Mixu continue to put in uninspiring performances.

Yet again, Hibs found themselves ahead, thanks to a deflected Riordan effort, but yet again we lost the initiative and allowed the opposition to dominate and duly lost an equaliser to share the points. There are bright spots in amongst the gloom, with Riordan scoring for the second game in succession, Rosa looking a promising player and McCormack and Hanlon gaining valuable first team experience.

However, the lack of results and poor team performances are a cause for concern, and with a trip to bottom dogs Inverness next week, hands up how many are confident of getting three points up there? It'll be interesting to see if Mixu can do what no other Hibs manager has achieved before – and get us three points in Inverness. God knows we need them!

Eddie Henderson
www.hibs.net


INVERNESS CT


BEFORE the start of Saturday's game many of us would have been delighted to take a point from Tannadice. But, after being in the lead for most of the game, it was disappointing not to take all three. The sending-off didn't help our cause but if Russell Duncan hadn't committed the red card foul we'd have probably conceded a goal anyway. Despite being down to ten men the confidence factor was still there as the manager extended our unbeaten run to three games. And a draw seemed to be the fair outcome. Terry Butcher has been sticking with pretty much the same XI from his first game in charge, but changes will be forced upon him now as both Duncan and Black start suspensions. Up front an exciting partnership is developing between Imrie and Odhiambo. Both have pace to trouble defenders which is something we've been lacking. We now face "winnable" home games in the coming weeks which gives us a golden opportunity to pick up vital points in our battle to avoid the drop.

Dave 'Gringo' Wilson
www.caleythistleonline.com


KILMARNOCK


OUR match against Hibs was a tough one to predict and could have gone either way, but it went neither. Our list of absentees was longer than the actual team sheet and we had to resort to playing our one fit first team striker up front himself. Despite fearing the worst it turned out to be one of our better performances this season.

Hibs opened the scoring with a long-range effort from Riordan that took a major deflection off Simon Ford which left Alan Combe stranded. It couldn't have happened at a worst time as the whistle went for the break immediately after the ball was centred. At this stage normally the heads would go down but the players battled on and were rewarded with a sublime equaliser from my man of the match Jamie Hammill. Hopefully that will cement his place in the team.

The real difference was that there seemed to be a bit of fight this week which was sadly lacking at Inverness. More of the same next week please against one of the twisted sisters.

Barry Richmond
www.killiefc.com


MOTHERWELL


A DERBY win is normally greeted with great fervour but instead our victory over Hamilton is viewed mainly for practical purposes.

We didn't play especially well against a rival challenger for a top-six spot but came out on top regardless and we have now managed to catch Hibs in the upper half. But the lack of excitement at beating our neighbours shows that this rivalry is still fairly one-sided.

Hamilton took great delight at beating us twice this season, but, for us, those losses hurt for themselves rather than because of the opposition. Many Motherwell fans are still pleased to see Hamilton doing well and are happy they are doing so well.

The seemingly permanent decline of Airdrie as a mid-level club has denied us our true derby and Hamilton are presently providing a rather weak ersatz version. It will take the Accies many years of competing at the top flight – and sadly many victories over us – before we become genuinely aggrieved by their existence.

Derek Wilson
www.firparkcorner.com


RANGERS


WHAT a terrific match, two local rivals going hell for leather in front of a frenzied crowd feeding off the feast of expansive football. But enough of the Milan derby, let's talk about the thrilling Old Firm game.

There was very little to excite as Rangers set up for a point and Celtic seemed happy to go along with it. The referee had a fairly erratic game, but hand on heart, I didn't think the Stephen McManus tackle on Kenny Miller was a penalty.

Both teams were awful in the first half, and although Rangers improved in the second, a draw seemed a fair result.

It means the league will be decided by who does best against the other sides. Celtic look badly off-form at present, but given Rangers' poor away results over the last 12 months, it's difficult to predict who will go on and win it. On paper, this should lead to a dramatic climax to the title race, but any more games like Sunday's and we'll all need smelling salts to be awake for it.

David Edgar
www.theRST.co.uk


ST MIRREN


WE are developing a worrying trend for throwing away leads. In our last four games, we've been in front three times and failed to win any of them, which is getting increasingly concerning as we had a reasonably good defensive record until a month or so ago.

Saturday was definitely a case of two points dropped rather than one go. When you twice take the lead in a home game, and score with ten minutes to go, you should go on to win the match. Sadly a mistake at the back cost us and we were denied a win that would have seen us break our duck at our new ground and move well clear of the relegation battle.

One thing Saturday proved once again is how important Andy Dorman is to us. His runs from midfield are extremely hard to deal with and he is capable of causing problems to any defence in the league. Despite repeated interest from bigger clubs, he has said he's happy to stay. Fingers crossed we get him to sign a new deal soon before someone else takes him.

Stuart Gillespie
www.stmirren-mad.co.uk




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  • Last Updated: 17 February 2009 10:57 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Backofthenet,

18/02/2009 00:29:23
A dire Old Firm game but Rangers had more shots and more shots on target. Celtic didn't have a shot on target till the 89th minute - not a very good effort, from a free-kick that Nakamura conned the referee into giving. Moreover, Rangers are the top scorers in the league.
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Exiled in Sydney,

18/02/2009 01:09:40
Whilst it can't be denied that rangers were less than gung ho at celtic park we played with 1 striker, one attacking wide player / second striker and 3 primarily forward thinking central midfielders and an ex striker sitting in midfield.

Celtic played with a 2 strikers (though with the big Dutchman’s goal return this season it's taking liberties to call him a striker), 3 essentially central midfielders and nakamura so it boils down to rangers playing one less striker away from home at fortress parkhead and not starting to play till after half time.

Celtic should look at the fact they were awful and got nowhere rather than berating the fact that rangers didn't go hell for leather. Smith is pragmatic, at times to a fault but we were still the better side for the second half and came closest to scoring in the game.

If miller could actually shoot and a foul that would result in play being pulled back and the offender being carded anywhere else on the pitch had been given then we likely would have won. If anyone denies a foul is always given if the right back is clearing the ball at the corner flag and a striker slides in and catches them that late then they are delusional, you see it week in week out.

Also one point to note for the Mr Devine if he can take of his green specs. Since smith came back to Ibrox with these negative anti football tactics we've visited celtic Park 5 times and the goals scored is 7 to celtic and 8 to rangers with 2 wins 2 loses and 1 draw.

Considering our record in the last few years with other managers was truly awful I’ll take is approach till we have the players who can play in a different way.
3

Backofthenet,

18/02/2009 01:15:23
The formation Smith employed is not necessarily negative and we saw that just a little bit in the second half, with the midfielders getting forward. Unfortunately we weren't good enough to produce more of it - and our opponents were, if anything, even less good!
4

view from the grassy knoll,

18/02/2009 07:56:13
devine
i think you were attacked by crows and had your eyes pecked out with that blind summation of the game.
celtic tried to play football?
which player would that be?
one team created 4 good chances which on another day would have gone in (admittedly one of those fell to miller before he was assaulted in the box by one of the your 2 piano shifters at centre back - BTW have they got that piano up the stairs yet?)
celtic leave their most creative player and goal threat on the bench and wonder why hee haw happens in the final third.
you have a team of journeymen grinding out results in a poor league - make no mistake, sunday was a must win game for celtic and they bottled it.
the title awaits
gers to stay top of the league sunday and for rest of season.
'the man with no surname' - why does the scotsman give airtime to this drivel.
learn from the RST commentary above if you can get someone to read it out to you - balanced and accurate.
though mebbee's you are trying irony?
leave that to your manager - and his team selections.
5

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 08:18:38
to defend my fellow celtic fan..he does say we were gash at our attempts to play football..rangers looked far more dangerous when they played more forward fortunately it was miller they brought on..but by then celtic had been given an hour when they didnt have to worry about defending...you saw how poor we were when we had to...but hey ho it does look as though it will be close ..for the reasons given by david edgar in his wee piece..and on that i think its worth saying that the point about the chanting isnt that songs in bad taste are not allowed..however unwelcomed..but it is material that falls into the legal areas//again rightly or wrongly (as harry hill says ..i dont make the rules)..and sadly even ignoring the famine song..(if only life was so simple)..some of the chanting by rangers fans did fall into objectionable in areas where laws exist to prevent such offense..again rightly or wrongly..
its a bit like todays football..a player can get booked for running to their fans ..but someone can put in a shocking challenge and get the same .or less puinishment. xxx
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 08:40:09
It truly was an awful game of football.

We talk the Old Firm game up, but in terms of quality play, very rarely does it live up to expectations.

I was a bit disappointed Rangers weren't bolder in the first half, as Sonofcosmos says when they pushed up twenty yards we looked much better. That said, in the first half we couldn't spring two passes together, so maybe if we had gone for it we'd have been hammered.

All in all, let's just forget this one and hope the next one is better!
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18/02/2009 08:43:41
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 08:50:19
#9 it was funny the wee bit of film from the "highlights" when pat nevin said you wouldnt know what team players were playing for as it showed about 6 misplaced passes in about 15 seconds..grim xxx
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 09:03:29
# 11 When you consider the money that was 'earned' on that park on Sunday, it's a shocking indictment on the players that they couldn't even display basic skills. No-one could trap the ball, no-one could accurately pass to a team-mate, no-one could take on and beat a man. When there was a chance the finishing was pretty woeful (McDonald and ferguson's efforts were just rubbish) and the decision-making in the final third would have shamed an indecisive schoolboy.

I watched it with an english mate, a Leicester fan with no opinion either way. At the end he turned to me and said 'is that it?' Says it all, really. Strip away the hype and you've got two poor teams.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 09:08:00
sadly the highlights didnt show the best bit..the scrummage at the edge of the celtic penalty box...one reporter said it was the sort of incident you would expect to see up and down the local parks during childrens football matches..
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 09:13:55
After the 4-2 game the Celtic hoard's were complaining about the Rangers fans singing songs that offends them and Hey Presto! The SPL send a delegate to monitor the Rangers fans in the corresponding fixture! More proof if it were needed that Lawell and Celtic have the SPL in their pocket! I think that a points deduction will be requested and probably given. This takes winning at all costs to an embarrassing all time low.I am just glad that I am in no way connected to such a snivelling pathetic outfit!
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18/02/2009 09:18:17
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view from the grassy knoll,

18/02/2009 09:37:18
14

good point
SPL dumb enough to fall for this again
who influenced the SPL; citing 'preserving the integrity of the league' and a 'planned far east tour' to reject a reasonable request to extend the season 2007/8?

Maybe the SPL should look into the assault which took place in the celtic dressing room - seem to remember the EFA having more courage to fine (20K) and ban (3 games) a player for less at west ham's training ground...involving?
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 09:55:36
#16 glad to see you have access to the celtic dressing room and west ham training ground.d'oh and if your suggesting hartsons kick on the head is the same as a punch ...
also the league was extended last season !!!!
#14 its easy to feel sorry for yourself and blame everyone else..for decades the rangers fans sang objectional songs..for years the media happily ignored this..along with the grotesque signing policy..it took uefa to take action before the scottish authorities and media responded..whether we like it or not there are certain things which are regarded as breaking the law...horrid songs about nacho novo and the ibrox disaster etc are dreadful and should be challenged..sadly as it stands just now singing anti "fen%&n" type songs are illegal as i suggested before you might not like it or agree with it but thats the facts.
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 10:03:33
#17 You are right, and I agree with you. I think that the problem most Rangers fans have is that it does only seem to be them that get pulled up for this. I'm categorically not saying that that makes it right, I'm just saying the SPL need to apply this to everyone or no-one.

Every away ground we go to we get the 'H' word belted out. Nothing is ever done about it. As I say, it doesn't make chanting the 'F' word acceptable, but it would boost teh SPL's credibility on the subject to apply this more even-handedly.
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sonofcosmos,

18/02/2009 10:13:00
#18..sadly its the baby and bathwater which that have been thrown out regarding what is acceptable at football grounds..there is no doubt that somethings being sung are inappropriate..but the whole facist stewarding of matches has killed things dramatically..was sundays game not also grim atmosphere wise ??
as ive said though whether there are things you and i might not be to bothered about doesnt realy matter its driven partly by what falls into "illlegal" areas..thats why again rightly or wrongly the H" word does not carry the same sectarian weight as the F word..especially outwith scotland..
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 10:23:43
Agree that the sanitisation of football has gone too far, probably helped by people in the media pretending to be offended by stuff to boost their career.

There is a difference between bad taste and illegal, but it's gone too far now.

Although the 'H' word is on Nil by Mouth's list of sectarian terms and a court recently ruled it is a sectarian term. I think, especially if the SPL push this, that people using it will fall foul of these guidelines. The argument people use is that they aren't using it in a sectarian way, but under these guidelines, that doesn't matter; if people find it 'offensive', it has to go.

It's a dangerous road they've set us down. Do we lose 'Flower of Scotland' because English people object?! All we'll be left with is 'the wheels on the bus' at this rate.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 10:26:59
#20 dont worry ill complain..ive always found that wheels on the bus song offensive....!!!
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sonofcosmos,

18/02/2009 10:29:48
#20 seriously the most damaging aspect of the pc movement..which in my eyes has highjacked the legitimate need to attack negative and destructive language in relation to minority groups..has been the "rule" that if someone is offended then you have been offensive.....it takes no account of the "mental status" and context of the offendee...so any bam can say im offended ..and you are suddenly a monster !!
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 10:40:51
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Still left with your tin pot club groveling around in the sewer looking for any possible advantage! Sad really as Celtic are fast becoming a pc laughing stock that seem to have no depths that they won't stoop in order to gain advantage! I would rather lose gracefully myself!
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18/02/2009 10:56:46
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Shape to Shoot,

18/02/2009 10:59:06
According to sundry rfc fanz, we're all a bit too PC for refusing to tolerate thunderous expressions of anti-catholic / anti-irish sentiment en masse by the dregs of society.

It's PC gone mad !

After the last visit of SS in August, the authorities were absolutely right to put them under the spotlight.
Had SS half a brain, they would have guesses that they would be closely monitored.
Now they complain about being subjected to scrutiny after 90 minutes of the most disgusting , relentless, foaming at the mouth display of racism and sectarianism ever witnesses in Scotland during their last trip to CP in August.

They are revolting beyond measure ...should they wish to behave like animals , they should be treated as such and CFC should have little doggie kennels installed to accomodate SS for future visits.
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18/02/2009 11:04:02
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:04:05
There has been sectarian singing at every Celtic away match this season and not one report either in the media or by the SPL delegates. Funny that!
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:06:17
The fact that Rangers are being singled out and Celtic are being ignored is the problem! The pc thing is supposed to stop discrimination not encourage it! Any thoughts?
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Shape to Shoot,

18/02/2009 11:32:17
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'Thought' is an activity which I don't normally associate with the ph.t.p. brigade.

When for example they go to Barcelona and turn the streets into an open sewer/land fill site, did they stop to 'think' about how this behaviour might be interpreted ?

When they rioted in Manchester and injured 14 police officers, did they stop to 'think' about the consequences of their behaviour ?

When, in August, they came to CP and filled the air with pure poison for 90 minutes, did they stop to 'think' that they might attract close scrutiny during their next visit to paradise ?

These animals don't do thought I'm afraid...THAT is the problem.
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 11:32:43
#22 Totally agree. It also encourages people to pretend to be offended to cause trouble. I'm not wholly anti-PC, I'm anti people who hi-jack it. You speak a lot of sense in your posts.

#25 I haven't once said that it's PC gone mad. I'm saying that the rules should be applied equally. Right now they are not.
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 11:35:19
#29 Fair enough. One thing i would say is that every time I've been at Parkhead in the away end, more than one Celtic fan has mimicked 'shooting' getsures at me and my family, and all the fans around us. August and Sunday i have then heard a song about a paramilitary organisation shooting a Rangers player. Acceptable?
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 18/02/2009 11:35:20
#28..sadly you keep missing the point..it doesnt matter that you think your club is being singled out...it is being singled out by uefa and now the spl due to the nature of the singning/chants..you might find what celtic fans sing objectionable..(as do i at times) but it doesnt fall into the net of illegal as easily as your guys chanting..
and as i said before the general mindset of a hard core group of rangers fans is the arrogance and believed supperiority shared by english supporters which led my govan stand season ticket holding friend to despare at the numbers going to manchester would innevitably lead to trouble..the response by your club and sciottish media (chelsea fans in disguise etc) did yourself no favours..
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:39:10
The minorities are well and truly in charge now in Scotland and if Rangers are continually discriminated against unfairly then I predict serious trouble and major disorder will be the outcome of this witch hunt!
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18/02/2009 11:39:12
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:42:25
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It's blatant discrimination against Rangers and that won't change no matter what way you dress it up! The out come will be more trouble as people will not accept this treatment!
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Riot_Survivor,

18/02/2009 11:42:28
At no point has the Nacho Novo song been sung at Celtic Park with the full gusto of the support. There may be some who let themselves and the club down by singing it, but it has never caught wind and been the song of choice amongst the support.

To compare this with the Famine Song and the way it has been embraced by the white underclass is muddying the waters.

Rangers fans have been fined by Uefa for sectarian singing, banned from singing their previous song of choice (again by INDEPENDANT UEFA) been asked by the local media of Barcelona not to return and trashed Manchester.

Thats a pretty big charge sheet to have picked up over a couple of years.

He-haw to do with Celtic.

Only one group of MOPES out there and they all seem to have blue noses.
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:44:43
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Either that or just hand Celtic the title now and just say how wonderful they all are
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Riot_Survivor,

18/02/2009 11:45:27
oh aye, forgot.

In the interests of fairness, a 2 Celtic supporters have encroahed on to the field of play in European ties.

There you go....both sides of the same coin
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:45:55
36
Classic case of auto criticism me thinks!
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Shape to Shoot,

18/02/2009 11:46:19
31

If all we had to moan about was a couple of hundred drunks slabbering on about the YOU.D.A, and a few hundred hand gestures, we wouldn't be moaning at all.

Noone expects football fans to demonstrate saintly levels of behaviour.

The question is both one of scale and content. As regards the former, the difference is two or three hundred Celtic fans as compared with tens of thousands of rearrangerz fanz.

As regards the latter, the content goes far beyond mention of the YOU.D.A and descends into blatant expressions of racism and sectarianism.

Scale and content are the two factors which distinguish rfc fanz from every other club in Scotland...and quite possibly, indeed very probably, the world.
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Riot_Survivor,

18/02/2009 11:48:10
#39 - Fine Wagina, auto criticism in what context?
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:48:22
I hope that the SPL just give Celtic the title by deducting 10 points from Rangers so that we can finally leave this tin pot league.
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:49:09
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Ha Ha!
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:52:14
Song moment! How low can you go?
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sonofcosmos,

18/02/2009 11:52:20
#42..like last year fine wine when rangers lose the league this season it will be due to their inability to beat top six teams away from home...i think last season and this its 3 wins in away games against the top six..and one of them was against this useless celtic team !!!
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:54:16
Just when you thought that they couldn't go any lower! This corrupt institution called Celtic fc sinks even further into the abyss!
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18/02/2009 11:56:10
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 11:57:16
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You are a joker! Rangers will win this league and Celtic's only hope is a points deduction. Sad wee bhoys can't quite take getting beat and never could really. Celtic really are the worst losers that I have ever encountered!
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18/02/2009 11:58:11
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Riot_Survivor,

18/02/2009 11:58:32
So, back to the fitba,

Celtic hit their worst form slump of the millenium. 13 points out of the last 27 which is less than 50% of the points to games spread.

Do my eyes deceive me? Is that Celtic still top despite such poor form?

Did "Walter" bottle it when he had the chance to ply major pressure on?

Have ReaRangers peaked at 2 points of an underperforming Celtic team?

Onto four and the treble with the Mighty Hoops
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18/02/2009 11:58:37
You'll never beat the who?
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sonofcosmos,

18/02/2009 12:00:04
#48 says the man (?) still seething with anger about his clubs inability to win away from home against the top teamswhich cost them the league last season and will do so again...
#47..the irony of your smokescreen comment..wow xxx
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 12:00:13
Please can the SPL just give Celtic the title now and put an end to all this pretense?
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Fine Wine,

18/02/2009 12:02:40
I can't take any more of these cringe worthy maggots slithering around looking for the next helping hand. It would be more humane just to put them out of their misery by handing them the title now!
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18/02/2009 12:03:21
Over the period of Celtics worst run of form this millenium, ReaRangers have had 2 attempts to beat the Hoops.

2 games, 1 point, no goals.

An extra wee 10-15% form recovery (and they have potential to go way beyond that) should see the league win comfortably.

Have ReaRangers asked to extend the league in view of the postponed cup game with Forfar?
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#54..you start poorly and work yourself into a hate filled frenzy...a constant closer of threads with your filth..another decent thread corrupted by your rot...sad xxx
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Shape to Shoot,

18/02/2009 12:40:23
Anyway, as others have alluded to, we've seen Celtic go through the first third of the season with an injury list from hell ,and, form has fallen through the floor boards during the second third of the season.

We are now on the edge of the final third,and despite everything, we are top of the league. It really is bewildering to me that we are where we are.

I would have thought that the law of averages suggests that at some point this season, we will hit form over a sustained period. Even during the 12 match run of victories, we weren't that good and a lot of those wins were ground out.

So we've seen precious little of what our players are capable of delivering throughout the season, yet remain surprisingly on course for a domestic treble.
I believe that Celtic will hit form at some point, and it could come any time.

For the moment Celtic fanz have to just sit it out and wait for the wind to hit the sails. We are becalmed, but surely to god a decent bit of wind is in the offing.
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18/02/2009 12:41:31
Edgar with a wee joke. What will happen next?
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The Kids Are Alright,

18/02/2009 12:50:42
Hearts new stand on hold again. Planning premission?

Paper problem, in my view
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18/02/2009 12:53:13
Swordsman

I never wanted to famous in case I was recognised.


You can't be too careful these days
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The Kids Are Alright,

18/02/2009 13:04:43
I had this idea to grow a breard recently.

Two reasons really. Thought it would make me look even more like Sean Connery, and it saves on razor bills.

Saved on the bills, but i am still having to do a bit of scissor work to get from the wee Robinson Crusoe to the full Sean Connery
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18/02/2009 13:11:32
Where are football players beards these days?

I aint buying no razor Thierry Henry uses. He looks like a shave once a month guy. Him and that tennis player.

Where's the beardy weirdy's gone from our game?
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The Kids Are Alright,

18/02/2009 13:20:05
McDonald needs to grow a very long one to hide behind about his early miss.

I reckon I can place a header better than that with lead weighted shoes on
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18/02/2009 13:49:00
#75 - its a well known fact that Aussie's can't grow beards.

I think its cause they're upside down the hair doesn't grow downwards.

Tell me an aussie with a beard and prove me wrong?
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18/02/2009 13:51:29
Rolf Harris grew his whilst studying in England
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Rolf Harris was born with it. It doesn't count
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18/02/2009 13:59:58
John Greig 1972. Hard to beat that beard, and achievements
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Jimmy Pop,

18/02/2009 14:07:43
Amongst the bile, there are some fair comments in here.

Celtic have indeed had a huge injury list and kept winning and deserve credit for it. They have hit a slump and are still two points ahead. However, that slump does not appear likely to end soon - I don't think Celtic have been threatening to hit a team for five or six lately. They have just been, collectively, off-form.

Rangers, for their part, had a seven point lead in August and allowed a 14 point swing by the 1st of January. That's utterly appalling form. They should be completely out of the title race.

And those are the reasons why both sets of OF fans are reasonably happy just now. The league has swung back and forth continually.

As to who will win? Celtic fans can justifiably think the form slump will end soon. Rangers can justifiably think that winning their remaining matches to the end of the season is feasible.

In the end, it will come down to who is least bad. All opposition-baiting bravado aside - I know that's hard for a few of you on here, who I sincerely hope are children, because if you are adults, this country is in a worse mess than we thought ;-) -them's the facts.
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18/02/2009 14:14:58
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Do you no like Rolf Harris?
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Rosscobhoy,

18/02/2009 14:17:01
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I've been saying on here since the 4-2 game that both sides were as bad as each other, and as bad as they have been since us in the early 90's and your lot 10 years before that.
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18/02/2009 14:23:27
Rangers have more natural ball players
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 14:23:39
Jimmy

Agree that both RFC and CFC are rubbish when compared to years past. The sad thing is that with both lacking quality and their playing form generally poor on the park this season, there is still a 13 and 15 point point gap from 3rd place in the table to 2nd place and 1st.

Title winners this season,,flip a coin at this point.
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18/02/2009 14:32:54
#83 No, I think he's a gimp!

#84 True. Celtic under Macari or rangers under Wallace (second time round.) Just bad teams filled with journeyman pros.

#85 Really? McGeady and Nakamura v Mendes and Davis. IMHO, of course.

#86 Agree. For all the praise Leveien, Laszlo and (bizarrely) Calderwood get, they are still a million miles away from breaking the top two. the sad thing is, with a bit of belief, they could.
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Shape to Shoot,

18/02/2009 14:38:53
As regards Celtic, our back line looked ok at the end of last season save for the left back berth.

Why we didn't strengthen there either during the summer or winter windows is a question which hasn't received any adequate explanation from the Celtic board. Across Europe, there are several £3M-ish left backs available , many with their wardrobes jam packed with international caps not to mention champions league experience. Almost any one of them would be a significant improvement on Naylor.

But, what was unexpected is that our backline hasn't performed anywhere near the 'decent enough' standard that was shown throughout last season. Perhaps (just) Caldwell aside, noone has looked good, and I think that was unexpected. Again, had we spent , say, £3.5m on a decent left back, the whole backline might have got a boost which would have lifted everyone's game.
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18/02/2009 14:50:41
#88 It's one of the big mysteries of the season. Rangers were 7 points behind, in disarray off the park and morale was rock bottom. A couple of decent - as you say, £2-3m bracket, nothing outrageous - would have boosted Celtic and put the foot right on Rangers throat. Not saying that Celtic won't still end up winning the league anyway, but I think that would have pretty much guaranteed it.
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 15:00:14
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Having seen the tic quite a few times this season, I think the defensive problems run a lot deeper than making Naylor the scapegoat.

Goal keeping from Boruc has been very inconsistent compared to seasons past. (had a good match Sunday)

The German international right back that they paid good money for is no better than a fit Wilson or Caddis now on loan.

Caldwell has played well for the tic this season, whatever position you're manager has played him.

McManus has been a nightmare at the back all season for the tic and has cost more points than Naylor.

I think in the close season there will be a lot of holes for WGS to fill, Boruc, McGeady, Naka, and if a good offer for Brown comes from the EPL, they could all be off.
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Rosscobhoy,

18/02/2009 15:09:44
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I take exception to the fact that your calling our fans revolting. There are a few who could do with a wash and a hair cut but the same can be said of every teams followers. Dundee fans are most definitely revolting though.

The team is mince but we're still top of the league. Sadly that is why we are as bad as we are.
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 15:09:47
92 Idee

True finances are tight at Ibrox, we dont have the money to spend at this time, as explained by the chairman.

CFC have the cash to spend yet refused to do so, without any explanation to the support.

At least the players at Ibrox are not knocking the pash out of each other.

Again keep the Ibrox updates coming!
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18/02/2009 15:12:50
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Naylor is unfortunate that he plays next to McManus and is constantly having to cover for McManus' lack of positional sense. Hinkel started poorly but has been pretty good since October. Will be interesting to see how we recover should Boruc and McGeady leave. Brown i think will be here for 1 more season.
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That's what I was saying Brian ...it has been unexpected that the backline, Caldwell aside, have gone backwards on form since the end of last season.

It isn't just Naylor, in fact, McManus has been the weakest link by some margin.

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Whatever might be said about Celtic's performance level this season, it has been shown to be the best of the lot thus far. The margin might be small, but it's only one point less than was enough to deliver the title last season.

If you are so sure that rearrangerz will win the league, away down the bookies and throw in your lot ...but you'd be mad to, and well you know it.

I think Celtic are still fairly strong favourites for the title because we still haven't played anywhere near our A game all season, whereas I don't think rearrangerz can go much higher.
If Rearrangerz win the title, it will be by default.
If Celtic can get their act together between now and the end of the season, the title's going nowhere.

The question is simply whether Celtic can find form ...if we can, we will be champions, and I don't think there can be any doubt about that.

If we don't hit form, it'll be touch and go. But I don't think the rearrangerz' A game is close enough to ours.
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18/02/2009 15:19:49
#96 I'd say that Rangers A game is far better than Celtc's. I just think Celtc win more often than we do when they don't hit it.

But if you genuinely think that Celtc are a cracking side just waiting to hit form, good luck to you.
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I think we are a krap side capable of being mediocre. That will be enough to win the league. Whether we can maintain mediocrity for longer than Rangers is another question.
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I don't believe you did.....
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18/02/2009 16:36:54
I'm about to sign off for today, but can I just thank everyone for what has actually been an enjoyable, grown-up chat about football ;-)

But most of all, can I express my total amusement at everyone totally ignoring that attention-seeking clown who posts the same stuff every week and his increasingly desperate attempts to get anyone to pay attention. Like watching an errant child at a party! Top fun.
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Idea or whatever he's called.
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fatality at east croydon on journey home

no idee who it may be........
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18/02/2009 19:12:45
As regards the observer's report mentioning the fans singing it must be said that this is by no means a guarantee of action against the club concerned. Celtic fans have been mentioned in observers' reports on a number of occasions without Celtic being punished.

As for the so-called famine song I don't like it but its aim is to take the pee out of Celtic fans and their maudlin songs. Not only do Celtic fans sing these songs but Celtic FC play them over the PA. On Sunday, Celtic fans even had a famine flag. So this song (and all that is sung by the support at games is one question) is not something that has come out of nowhere and been aimed at the famine itself.

Celtic fans should have a think about their IRA songs, singing of the sectarian insult "Hvns", calling the referee the "Mason In the black", etc.
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 20:03:36
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You mention the 4-2 loss to the Gers in August and the singing of banned songs, you continually mention last Sunday and the singing of the same tunes, the match finished a draw.

What happened when the Celtic took all 3 points in there 1-0 victory, I dont remember you going on for days about the chanting in that match.

I dont think you will ever be able to stop some supporters from singing at matches, it was mentioned a few weeks ago that DU supporters were giving the same abuse to the young Hamilton player, so it does go on with other supporters. I am not defending the sectarian element of the RFC supporters just trying to make a point.

Why does the SPL/SFA just ban away supporters from OF matches, a deduction of points, if it happens, to me is harsh on the club who under SDM have tried to improve things with a lot of the club supporters in regards to the sectarian issue.
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How many tickets did the RFC supporters have last Sunday out of 60k at the match??

Funny how you always pull one line out of a post.

No mention of CFC support singing "go home you h--s"

No mention of the DU support giving the same thing to the young Hamilton player.

No mention of chanting after the Celtics 1-0 victory.

From what has been posted in the past you're own away support have caused some issues with their chanting at away grounds.

People are looking for debate and solutions to rectify problems with supporters.

As I said earlier where were the police at Parkhead, why did they not do what they are paid to do and arrest some of the culprits,, what were the stewards doing.
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I never mentioned a minority of supporters.
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18/02/2009 21:39:08
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I was watching the 2nd half of the cup, hence not on the Scotsmans forum.

As for condemning sectarian chanting,, I have done so many times. In my original post I was trying to look for debate on what punters might see as the solution to the offensive chanting, not trying to deflect by saying "what about the others"

Do the SFA/SPL ban away supporters from OF games? Do the police step up and arrest the fans who go on chanting, I know you cannot arrest all of the people, but setting some kind of example might act as a deterrent. As I say it is solutions to an ingrained problem that clubs are looking for.
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18/02/2009 21:41:56
Well, well, well.

Can't the rearrangerz get past anyone in a cup tie without major referee assistance ?

How on earth was Kenny Miller allowed to stay on the park after his bad tempered assault on the Forfar full back ?
The Forfar player tore Miller a new one, dispossessed him winning a big cheer from the crowd, he then turned to clear the ball upfield and Miller in a fit of pique charged in about half an hour late jabbing his elbow quite deliberately into the guy's head.

Result ? The poor bloke collapsed in a heap but the ref - knowing that it could only be a red card - chose not to see it and allowed the play to continue.

An absolutely disgraceful decision when the score stood at 1V0 and the part-timers were giving the threadbears one helluva run for their money.


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And what are you the perfect example of?
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Brian, the solution is very simple. The seats are linked to a name and the police should study the CCTV pictures to see who's singing.

That will lead to fanz swapping tickets around so that the face on the CCTV stills doesn't match the ticket holder.

However , the police should be able to build up a data base of photographs of persons interviewed and with very basic software , a computer should be able to (in a matter of a fraction of a second) run a comparison between images of ticket holders and images of those caught on CCTV singing the songs.

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I only saw the 2nd half but there was only one team in the match. Yes KM got away with a foul, at worst a yellow. No comment on the challenge that could have broke the leg of Beasley?

As for as sectarian chanting, I am tired of these clowns who bring shame on my club.
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I didn't see the challenge on Beasly ...but Miller's was undoubtedly violent conduct.

He had neither chance nor intention of getting the ball.

He took the H ump because a third division player had made an €rse of him. It was a rush of blood to the head on KM's part.
It was a straight red.
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Daillyman,

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CCTV works wonders,, if used.

As stated previously the police/security forces dont seem to want to do anything.

Ban away support in OF games.
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I tend to agree James ...I think a token fine will be imposed ...the tap on the wrist the last time was outrageous considering they already had two UEFA convictions for the same thing.

I reckon even the sfa would baulk at giving another simple warning to be quite honest. I expect a fine of around £10k.
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While I will agree on the sectarian point of you're post, the racism bit I dont get.













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I agree Brian. The CCTV is there to be used. The cameras can be directed around the fanz during the match. There are several of these cameras available.

A team of CCTV operators could spend the match obtaining good quality close ups of the offenders.

A 20 second recording of each culprit would be enough.

The investigation would begin after the match. The police would obtain from rangers a list of names and addresses of those who obtained tickets for particular seats.

The police would be entitled to treat each ticket holder as a suspect enabling them to photograph him/her for forensic comparison with the still obtained.

The rest is easy.
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Incidentally James, not one of the Scottish newspapers mentioned it in their match reports.

It was only during the course of monday afternoon when it emerged that the match delegate had included it in his match report that the scottish media got onto it.

If the match delegate hadn't mentioned it in his report, the story would never have seen print in Scotland...it's still the dirty little secret.

And I agree, there will be screaming headlines about Celtic fans' behaviour during the motherwell match come Monday morning. They won't need any prompting for that.
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Daillyman,

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There is no need to be a prat in a response. I agree that the songs by law are banned, as they are sectarian and bigoted. I just think the racism card gets played to often by everyone in a lot of countries. If someone has a difference of opinion with a person who is a visible minority, it is to easy to play the race card.

And bye the way James, the forums are for all to post, as for the last part of you're post, I would agree with you, you are semi-literate.
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Has the fee be pre arranged?
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 22:33:14
151 pundit

2 different type of players.

Aaron looked okay but this was Forfar, I remember some of our support thinking Burke was the second coming of Henderson. He managed around 40 matches in 5 seasons.

If Aaron turns into another Arteta I will be happy, we certainly need help on the left side of midfield.
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Thats me James, the sensitive one.
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You see, people learn something everyday, thanks.
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Daillyman,

18/02/2009 22:50:53
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I can only speak for myself.

With the info James gave me on the law being tied to racism, it was something I did not know.

I had thought the song was sectarian and bigoted, and those laws of the land tied to prosecuting people who spouted such rubbish.
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18/02/2009 23:42:17
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"Boyd could have resolved the issue. Instead he chose to lead "Walter" a merry dance"

Yes he did lead a merry dance, and helped win 2 cups at the national stadium last season. Dance Boydie Dance
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Daillyman,

19/02/2009 00:33:29
Copenhagen

Artmedia

Ict

Aalborg
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Mr Bill Struth,

19/02/2009 00:46:16
Oh my aching soul....the pain I thrust upon you all.

From the beyond, I watched the terror loving Englishman (who turned his back on hs country of birth to play for Scotland - ehh that's bad is it not?) site his guff on SKY.

Just when Rangers need to keep a low profile, yet another racist is thrust in our collective faces as a TV pundit.

Oh the shame....oh the pain...oh the lack of dignity.

Indeed as the Willie Haughey sponsored Haughey Ar La Cup is ongoing, we have to endure the under class I fostered.

I believe its called the "Home Coming" cup to celebrate Scottish culture and our bard.

Sack that....lets punt out the Irish and all other minorities to make space for the returning Scots.

The Lowlands Scots Language gave us rednecks and hillbillys.

Onwards to our ultimate goal!!

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