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Fury as Old Firm demand slice of ticket money from home clubs



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Published Date: 19 July 2008
SPL clubs were today up in arms over a bid by Celtic and Rangers to impose a levy on every ticket they sell to their fans for away matches – a move which could cost the rest of the league hundreds of thousands of pounds.
The Evening News has learned that the Old Firm have written to every club warning them they intend to grab five per cent of the ticket money as their reward for providing such a service.

The proposal is in direct contravention of SPL rules which s
tate that clubs pass on every penny of the money raised from selling tickets for away matches to the home outfit concerned. Although the letters from Celtic and Rangers arrived separately, the News understands they were posted on the same day and were worded exactly the same, proof, some might say, of collusion between the Glasgow giants.

The move is being seen as a blatant attempt by the Old Firm to flex their collective financial muscle and is certain to be resisted by their fellow members of the SPL, each of whom would lose money should Celtic and Rangers be successful. Each club would be affected to a varying degree depending on the allocation of tickets given to the Glasgow sides but most would lose large five-figure sums based
on two visits from each over the course of a season.

While Celtic and Rangers would argue that their massive travelling supports help swell the coffers of their rivals and some clubs raise their prices for visits from the Old Firm, their move has dismayed opposition outfits who were not consulted in any way before the bombshell news was delivered.

The Old Firm have also proposed that other clubs keep five per cent of the money brought in from selling tickets to their fans for trips to Ibrox and Celtic Park but the allocations they receive are much smaller meaning they'd get less cash.

The News understands there has been no concerted opposition to the proposal as yet with individual clubs pondering as to how to respond to the shock plan which will be tested for the first time on the opening day of the new season when Rangers visit Falkirk.

It is believed it has already been pointed out that under SPL rules they cannot deduct any money but the News understands counter measures are being discussed if Celtic and Rangers cannot be persuaded to stick to current arrangements.

One suggestion is that the Old Firm themselves introduce a "handling charge" to cover the cost of providing ticket office services along the lines of the booking fee imposed when buying briefs for a concert.

An alternative may be that clubs will decide to sell direct to Celtic and Rangers fans rather than provide the clubs themselves with an allocation of tickets. Such a move would have serious implications for season ticket holders of the Old Firm who, while not guaranteed tickets for away matches, usually have their names entered into a ballot ensuring they can see at least a number of away games each season.

Selling direct would give Celtic and Rangers fans without season tickets a much greater chance of watching such matches but there is concern such a course of action might raise some safety issues in that present arrangements allow clubs to closely monitor to whom briefs are being sold.






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  • Last Updated: 19 July 2008 11:33 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The Old Firm
 
1

Indy Rep Kid,

19/07/2008 11:43:39
And here was me thinking that Celtic and Rangers were rivals, rather than partners.

Oh well.
2

Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 11:47:10
Greedy barstewards. No interest in Scottish football... aided and abetted by the authorities.

VR mode of communicating same is poor but sentiments correct.

HHGh
3

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

19/07/2008 12:07:11
Start charging them £60-70 quid then greedy slime bags, in fact an all out ban from Tynecastle that would be great

about time we punted them over to ireland
4

Jamboman1874,

Methil 19/07/2008 12:13:16
"in that present arrangements allow clubs to closely monitor to whom briefs are being sold."

So how come they cannot identify those that spew out the sectarian bile from both sides???????
5

paulmac,

surrey 19/07/2008 12:16:43
The other SPL clubs only have themselves to blame....

They were the ones who insisted on the current format and split set up we have...

The reason?

So they could earn more money from Celtic and Rangers....

The alternative....

Withdraw your tickets...and lose a great deal more!
6

RampantBluenose,

The Ether 19/07/2008 12:18:00
Face it - you need the old firm and have been sponging off us for years. You complain that we steal your players yet you are happy to take player off us. Our support, more often than no outnumbers the home support.

The Jambo's have a cheek - paid for your manager yet?
7

LionheartFodithman,

19/07/2008 12:24:29
Add 5% onto the price of the away ticket for the partners in crime and let their own fans fork out for the increase.
Problem solved !!!
8

DB1,

19/07/2008 12:24:53
Good move.

The rest of the league have been milking the Rangers and Celtic cash cow for too long now.

Fans of both clubs effectively keep the rest of the SPL in business, and its about time they realise it.

A serious dose of reality needs to be dished out to the clubs who think they can charge Rangers and Celtic fans £30 to sit in a stadium that wouldn't look out of place in the Andorran league.
9

Nod,

19/07/2008 12:26:58
fair do's.

memmo to hibs(and other clubs), stick 10% on face falue when old skirm visit. easy job done
10

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19/07/2008 12:29:08
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Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 12:30:02
relivance!!!
12

Jenny MacArthur,

19/07/2008 12:32:12
Football supporters are funny! Most can't string a sentence together to discuss anything more important in the world. Then they obsess about their tribal hatreds and the politics of ticket prices. Losers!! Ha ha ha ha ha!
13

Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 12:36:53
#12 thanks for that Jenny..... now you away and make your mans dinner!
14

Europal,

school 19/07/2008 12:42:14
10/11 Try relevance
15

Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 12:49:40
#14 thanks......
16

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

19/07/2008 13:00:27
Well at least we make Jenny laugh, and that's progress by the sounds of things.

Imagine taking a broken pay packet home to her.
17

ClaretnAmber,

Florida 19/07/2008 13:04:41
Too bad the EPL won't take the OF (and I don't mean "Firm"). I suppose they could try just playing each other the entire season but I think it's been proven that the sun does not revolve around Glasgow.
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19/07/2008 13:12:28
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Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 13:14:54
#19 What a low life piece of scum you are!!!
20

Reg, Perth WA,

19/07/2008 13:20:27
They have been partners to their OWN ends since day one, do not be deluded by the bigotry, they have used that increase their coffers since day one too.
gg2th
21

Splash,

Broxburn 19/07/2008 13:26:43
All SPL sides get together & just restrict the OF fans in our grounds. Only give them 1000 tickets per game at most, they are just a bunch of holligans anyway. Look at the Uefa Final. Embarrassing for Scottish football. If OF getting even greadier in their attempts to weaken the other sides hit their fans hard. They'd soon realise they're selfishness & retract their 5% claim. Let them join the EPL & see how they feel being the smaller teams with no say. Again they'd realise what it like to be a smaller team being used.
22

Jasbar,

19/07/2008 13:27:24
Two teams play in a game. It takes two to tango as they say.

How about a straight 50 50 split in all gate receipts?

And a 50 50 split in all television money.
23

Talk o' the Toun,

19/07/2008 13:33:02
#23 Agreed.... fair & reasonable. That only leaves us to rid ourselves of OF bias(authorities/refs etc) & we all have a level playing field.

24

Londonsteve,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 13:38:28
Stuff them. If this comes off, all the other clubs should resign and form their own league minus the ugly sisters. Solidarity required!
25

mambojambo,

19/07/2008 13:47:11
If the OF want to change the rules, there are SPL procedures for this to happen and not by writing threatening letters to all the other clubs. Another example of their arrogancs.
26

Robbo1874,

19/07/2008 13:47:16
Dirty bigoted scumbags. Can't stand these cretins. Send them to the Premiership and see them rot. They will be in the Championship in a flash competing for the play off place if their lucky. It's about time something was done about them.

SCOTLAND'S SHAME!!!
27

Private Pike,

19/07/2008 13:47:36
#23 If the OF want fairness and equity in the league then they would adopt your very fair and equitable suggestion. The priciple is established in the Cup competitions. I know its different because there are no guaranteed home games. But just the same....

The best solution of course would be for the rest of the clubs to vote to break away from the OF dominated Premier League like they did before. Only, this time have the bottle to see it through.

Imagine a Scottish Football league without the sectarian poison and hatred that the OF encourage among their supporters. Imagine Scotland not being disgraced by the behaviour of the OF support when they travel. Imagine no Manchester OF riots. Imagine no planes being diverted because of the OF fans. Imagine it then let's tell our clubs to get rid of them.
28

KILBOWIE,

19/07/2008 13:48:56
It seems that most people don't realise that football is a BUSINESS.
Celtic & Rangers are the biggest players in that business. Their concern is for their own club & its customers, who provide most of the football revenue in this country.
They have no moral obligation to their rival clubs.
The majority of 'the others' do everything they can to squeeze the last penny out of the Big Two. There is no pretence of any respect for the Glasgow supports at other grounds. They are regarded as a necessary evil.
They are a nuisance, but they fill the coffers.
They bring thousands of fans to every ground. In return they receive a few coach loads of die-hards who sit in an almost empty away section of the Glasgow grounds, surrounded by empty seats which could be sold to home fans unable to get a ticket.
It is a one-sided arrangement.
It is unreasonable for the Big Two to be expected to provide ticket office staff at their own expense to sell tickets to thousands of THEIR customers, with the revenue going entirely to the rival club.
It would not happen in any other business.
Scottish football has a few harsh lessons to learn.
Like the Good Book says,...'Charity begins at home.'
29

Robbo1874,

19/07/2008 13:54:17
#29 That was a complete waste of my time reading that. I'm quite disgusted with myself for actually sticking with it to the end.

Read it over mate and give yourself a a good slap. What utter nonsense.

SCOTLAND'S SHAME!!
30

KILBOWIE,

19/07/2008 14:02:24
Ach, don't be disgusted with yourself, Robbo.
You are being too hard on yourself.
You are probably quite a nice guy, really.
31

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:03:17
#7. Good idea, plus say another 10% for the administration.
32

dannybhoy,

19/07/2008 14:11:20
i reckon celtic & rangers are being a bit over zealous here
33

Robbo1874,

19/07/2008 14:13:47
#31

Cheers buddy, I am come to think of it. Just get a little bit upset when I see such clear ignorance and stupidity in such a posting as #29.

I will not lose any sleep I suppose...just have a good chuckle to myself.
34

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

19/07/2008 14:14:12
Less and less OF fans are going to away games these days anyway because every away match is on TV.
35

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

19/07/2008 14:16:51
I think it's time Celtic started looking to join the EPL. The revenue growth will never happen in Scotland and the real money and competition is in the EPL.

Start the ball rolling Dr Reid.
36

LionheartFodithman,

19/07/2008 14:16:56
Wouldnt the season be really interesting if there where only two teams playing each other every week.
As usual the opinion of the ugly sisters is that the rest of Scotland owes them for allowing them a game a few times a season.

Shameful.
37

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19/07/2008 14:20:35
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ses,

Pencaitland 19/07/2008 14:22:52
Hibs and Hearts can get by without the Old Firm. We don't need their fans, or their teams, to get by.

Tell them where to go and then we can have a more competitive league where everyone can win and everyone has a chance of getting into the Champions League.

As far as I'm concerned, Glasgow is another country, a no-go area. And that's where their teams should be.
39

Robbo1874,

19/07/2008 14:24:04
#39 Well said mate....they can take all their referees with them as well....SOCTLANDS SHAME!!!!
40

Robbo1874,

19/07/2008 14:24:44
#40 haha...SOCTLANDS!! you know what I meant!!
41

jambo malky,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:33:43
Being a Hearts fan, I would say we stand to loose less than most in terms of lost revenue, but consider this- How much would the police bill reduce by if we(all other spl clubs) banned the scum from our grounds?
42

jambo malky,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:43:06
#29
"charity begins at home"
Correct- so stay there!
43

KILBOWIE,

19/07/2008 14:43:21
Let's be perfectly honest. Without the Big Two there would be NO TV contracts, & without their travelling supports, Scottish football would be the equivalent of the Irish League.
Can you imagine trying to sell Motherwell v Inverness Caley, or St.Mirren v Hamilton, to a TV company ?
What do you imagine the viewing figures would be ?

Of course, it is a shame. However, that is the reality.
44

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

19/07/2008 14:48:29
Away fans don't go to Glasgow for two reasons - Strathclyde Police and the stewards. Both of whom make it as uncomfortable as possible for away fans as they can inside an out of the stadium.

It wasn't so long ago that both Glasgow clubs had falling attendences and welcomed fans from other clubs to their games. Now it seems that sheer arrogance and greed have taken hold at both clubs.

I cannot see any of the other 10 SPL clubs voting to allow this change to happen so if it is implemented then the OF are acting illegally and then we will see the mighty power of Lex Gold swing into action - aye right!

EPL rules should come into play here. Teams are allowed a maximum number of away fans at each ground - not a percentage of the stadium capacity. If the OF only give away fans 1000 tickets then that is all that the OF fans should get for away grounds as well.
45

John H,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:48:49
Without doubt like peas in a pod. Couldn't live or exist without each other and the bigoted garbage that they stand for. Truly a disgraceful decision but entirely predictable. The other clubs should refuse to give them any tickets regardless of the financial implications because they will be off at the first chance they get without thought for the rest. Might even force their hand. It WOULD only mean a better future for the game in Scotland.
Trash the two of them.
Shameless and blameless like two bullies.
They will not be happy until they have the last footie in Scotland.
46

leith keely,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:49:07
#36 rantic f.c join the english premiership? who writes yer scripts brightbhoy? does anyone in full command of their faculties actually believe the epl would actually accept these mindless bhigots into their league with all the sectarian guff that accompanies these retarded soapdodging morons? i doubt it very much though i do recommend they apply to join one of the irish leagues because either of them have no place in scottish football with their sectarian baggage they are detested by every fair minded football fan the world over.
47

trueblue,

19/07/2008 14:53:30
why shouldnt they charge handling fees any other business does the same and the same SMALL teams hike up their prices when rangers and celtic visit them ....while im here Timothy Malloy fan of the champions could you answer me this what happened to the tour of japan celtic were going on the end of the season there remember they were mumping and moaning about rangers wanting an extension to the season or is this something else so conveniently swept under the carpet over at breezblock boulevard
48

Hibby Fox,

19/07/2008 14:54:37
Bye Bye and fuuuuuuck off to the EPL, Scotlands shame the two of yeh, Ram yer fees up yer preverbial and buy some soap , nobody wants you or your Bigoted ways, and why is SPL allowing the Bigot brothers to break the rules ??????????????????????
49

trueblue,

19/07/2008 14:55:42
leith keely no just detested bye every catholic fan in the world and bye the way m8 im no bigot or a soap dodger thank you
50

jumpship,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 14:57:03
The funny thing about this is all the old firm fans trying to defend their clubs .

Its simple . If the old firm get their wish. All its going to do is push the cost on to the old firm fans . Rangers and Celtic fans will be paying more to go and see away games.

Ur own clubs are selling yous out.

The jokes on you.

Celtic & Rangers = Scotland not so secret shame
51

trueblue,

19/07/2008 14:57:21
you wee teams wouldnt hadly last a season without the big 2 hey theres more in the fecking toilets at half time than in easter road
52

trueblue,

19/07/2008 14:58:44
jumpship talking utter nonsense
53

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 14:59:48
jumpship, 51

I'm well aware of the shame that is RFC FC....but cannot fathom why you would attach shame to Celtic.

Please explain.
54

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:00:58
leith keely,

sectarian baggage?

Celtic?

Any examples?
55

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:02:23
John H, 46

Similar challenge to you....

Yep, RFC's shame is universally recognised, but your criticism of Celtic FC is hard to fathom.

Please explain.
56

trueblue,

19/07/2008 15:02:43
Impetuous_Peter yrs of singing about the ira for one the callin of refs masons when theres catholics in the masons too
57

trueblue,

19/07/2008 15:03:37
ohh were all goody goody over at parkhead yeah right m8 pk i believe you thousands wouldnt
58

jumpship,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 15:06:17
56 Impetuous_Peter,


Have a wee peek at youtube mate . You will find lots of bigoted Celtic cr*p on there.


Celtic & Rangers = Scotlands not so secret shame
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19/07/2008 15:07:29
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:08:34
trueblue 58

What a bizarre post.

Now you insist all at CP is goody goody.

How strange.
61

jumpship,

19/07/2008 15:10:22
60 Impetuous_Peter,

LOL You are a complete loser.

Go get a life before its to late.


Celtic & Rangers = Scotlands not so secret shame
62

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:10:58
jumpship, 59

Do you - or do you not - have ANYTHING that justifies your comment re Celtic?

Yes, we have errant fans.....like EVERY other Club....but do you have ANYTHING which suggests our Club has done anything wrong?
63

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:11:30
62: see 63.
64

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:13:47
jumpship

You'll be aware RFC operated a policy of discriminating against Catholics for decades.

Do you condemn RFC fopr that?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:15:12
Guys,

is it not the case that the worst fans for bigotry in Scotland are:

1/ Rangers
2/ Hearts
3/ Kilmarnock

Then surely those three are Scotland's shame?

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John H,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 15:18:29
56
I can tell you what to do to find out.
Go to your next home match dressed in your opponents colours. You will then hear the abuse, experience the threat of violence and more than likely be spat on. If you are blind to it just now you would not be later.
Shameless and blameless especially if you cannot see.
67

Walkin Dude,

19/07/2008 15:20:32
Try adding the vermin from the piggery to your list.

I used to work with a group of them - their highlight of visiting the San Siro; kicking a steward in the head through their supporters banner so he couldn't identify who it was. One of them even videoed it on his mobile.

Another bragged about battering a 12 year old after a Newcastle pre-season friendly simply because he was wearing a Newcastle top.

Total scum and a disgrace.
68

Dood,

19/07/2008 15:21:12
Firstly, nice to see the usual bigots have infected the thread. Well done.

Secondly, I don't really see the issue here. If they want to charge 5% for selling to their own unwashed hordes then let them. The simple solution is to simply charge the unwashed an extra £2. Oh hang on, this contravenes SPL rules? Well hey ho, so does the levy.

Thirdly, just to address the suggestion that the likes of Hibs and Hearts milk the manky ones. If both teams were to finish in the top six (it's a distant dream Jambos, I know) then the ticket revenue gained (for Hibs anyway) is circa £350k. Hardly a life changing sum of money. Bear in mind however that for league games last season, Hibs had less home fans in their ground for OF games than they would have had for games against Well, Dons etc. Solution - Do what the Yams did and cut their allocation. It's high time we started standing up to these crettins.
69

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:24:03
JohnH, 67

I'm not the sort of guy who could dress in the colours of FTP_FC.

Anyway...what you have described is the animosity that exists between football rivals.

Nothing to justify earlier comments.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:25:19
Walkin Dude 68

So, some football fans behaved in an appalling way?

Errr....so?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:27:13
Dood 69, thanks for joining me in my contempt for the usual bigots.

I do, however, find you reference to manky ones deeply offensive.

It shows YOUR lack of class.
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Viewer,

WA 19/07/2008 15:28:05
#63

Have you ever even thought about using your own questions against your comments about Rangers Football Club. CLUB or errant fans?

Bit two faced or what?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:30:15
Viewer, 73,

Yes, of course...

The Club: decades of institutional bigotry - bl00dy disgrace.

The fans: the most bigoted fans in Europe. Absolute disgrace.

Hope that helps....
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:32:28
AndrewS, 75

What a bizarre post.

What do you think the Holy Father could do to help?
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leith keely,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 15:32:40
#50 truespew, the only people who have any time whatsover for "rantic f.c." are their own moronic fans, i`m not a catholic but i loathe the sight, sound and SMELL of both of sets of your fans, theyve besmirched the good name of scottish football for nearly 130 years now and i`m embarrassed to call myself scottish when talking to football fans from other parts of the world because they all know what "rantic f.c." represent ie, mindless, sectarian hatred and bigotry, "rantic f.c" are a cancer in scottish football and when cancer is present you have to go in with a knife and remove it, so away and play with your flute bigot boy.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:34:26
leith keely 77

Is the bad behaviour limited to Gers & Celts?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:42:24
So, now we have established that posters making criticism of Celtic FC a short time ago are unable to substantiate their comments.

Really, they should apologise.

But what inspired their criticism?

Stupidity or bigotry?
79

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:43:12
pundit 77

asked anyone in Manchester re Rangers fans?
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leith keely,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 15:46:57
#55 impertinent-peter, any examples???? yes, several thousand examples, i used to work on belfast-stranraer ferry and we used to get about 700 of your lot every weekend travelling over to your matches every weekend, what a shower of dirty uncivilised vermin they are, urinating in front of women and children, sexually assaulting female crew members,deliberately setting the ship on fire, shouting slogans in support the i.r.a and shouting "kill the brits" and that was them on a good day, mind you! the blue half of tour team that is "rantic f.c. were not much better, so be off with now wee boy.
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J80MBo,

19/07/2008 15:48:25
rangers and celtic can put this levy in place if they want!

all the other teams need to do is pass the cost of this onto the old firm fans by putting the ticket prices up!
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:52:21
leith keely, 82

Unable to answer my question?

I asked for examples of sectarian behaviour?

Dont you have any?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:55:11
pundit 83

List the people here who are saying Gers are hated worldwide.

What was the view of RFC and their scvm followers when Utd were unable to parade their Champions League trophy through the streets?

Disappointment?
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leith keely,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 15:55:19
#78 no, bad behaviour is not limited to celtic and rangers but sectarianism IS and always will be limited to the soapdodging followers of rantic.f.c. which is an embarrassment to scotland and it`s people, it`s time they were removed but the english won`t touch them with a bargepole, even the irish baulk at the idea, might i suggest they apply to football leagues of iraq or afghanistan but they would more than likely get a k.b. from them as well.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:56:48
pundit 85

We agree on something!

A straightforward boycott would help certain Clubs understand the real economics of Scottish Football.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:57:48
leith keely 89

Yep, sectarianism is RFC...and bad behaviour is widespread...so WHY have you attacked Celts today?
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Dood,

19/07/2008 15:58:35
#72 - Lack of class!!! Nice one, thanks. Best one liner on these threads in weeks.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 15:59:24
pundit 91

"#87 if you are saying that the old firm are not guilty of sectarian behaviour then you must be living on another planet!"

In which post did I say that?

Sectarianism has been widespread and rife amongst RFC fans for decades.


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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:00:16
pundit 91

"#88 being a regular on these forums i have came across the claims of the old firm being hated worldwide many times"

I asked for a list?
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:02:00
Dood 93,

Thanks. Now that you recognise your problem, I hope you can take steps to address it. Good luck.
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mrhibs07,

Trucking About 19/07/2008 16:02:21
i do a lot of work south of the border. And have a large Hibs sticker on the window of my truck. Which is a good way of sparking a coversation. And let me tell you weegies. You are not wanted in the EPL. just like you are not wanted in Scotland. So it looks like we are stuck with you. God help us.
GGTTH
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leith keely,

edinburgh 19/07/2008 16:03:14
#87 is shouting slogans like "up the i.r.a. and "kill the brits" not sectarian enough for you? the wearing of black berets and sunglasses(i.r.a. uniform and widely accepted as such) was also part of the norm, singing obscene and sectarian songs about the bombings of omagh and inniskillen and other mass murders perpetrated my this lowlife scum and to think we had to accept it because "it was part of our job" i rest my case.
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Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:03:15
pundit 98

It's OK.

I knew all along you were talking sh|te.
95

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:06:35
leith keely, 101

Nope, they are as entitled to their political perspective as the next man.

The UK would be a sad sad place were certain political ideologies banned.

A contempt for a country that brutally murdered and maimed thousands of innocent men, women, and children is surely NOT sectarianism.
96

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:07:22
pundit 104

Awww....you're feeling upset cos I exposed your nonsense!

Dont worry....you'll get over it!!!
97

Dood,

19/07/2008 16:07:31
#100 Mr Hibs, welcome back, hows tricks?

This is what happens on the rare occasions that the old firm stories have open threads next to them. I thought that the EEN and Scotsman had worked out that if you open up an Old Firm story with a thread, then the usual bigoted halfwits attached themselves to it. Count the number of postings above, how many relate to football?

But then they don the old self superior, we're better than you hats, entering self denial mode.

Whatever............
98

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:08:47
hibs 100

Nonsense!

I have lived in England for 20 years, and the fact of the matter is:

Celtic - welcome

RFC - not welcome.
99

mrhibs07,

Trucking About 19/07/2008 16:10:17
#103
Since when have we mentioned any request to play in England? I think you'll find it's you lot that want to play down south. You muppet.
Afternoon dood.
100

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:12:25
pundit 110

Oh, I'm fine - I can support all the statements I make here.

You cant.

When challenged to substantiate, you failed. tut tut.
101

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:13:04
WATP 111,

Yes, RFC are certainly tops for bigotry.
102

mrhibs07,

Trucking About 19/07/2008 16:13:48
#108
You are both as bad as each other. I travel all over England. From tyneside to cornwall. And i hear a lot of opinions. You are not wanted in the EPL. Get used to it.
103

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:13:58
pundit 113

No, those are your words, not mine.
104

Dood,

19/07/2008 16:17:11
#109 - Well done for dragging your knuckles off the ground to type such a constructive post. Neanderthal (check the dictionary, sorry big spelling book, for definition).

Mr Hibs, I'm outta here. May defect onto a Yams thread. I'd prefer to be nice to them than get involved with these mindless bigots.

Note to Scotsman publications - Please close this thread down immediately. And learn not to open any more attached to OF stories in the future.

GGTTH
105

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:18:11
Hibs 116,

Ah, the age old as bad as each other myth...

For decades, RFC had an anti Catholic bigotry at its core. Celtic FC have always been open to all.

In the last few years, RFC have been condemned twice by UEFA and once by SFA for mass sectarianism. How many convictions for such offences has CFC had?

For decades, thousands of Gers sang the joys of wading knee deep in the blood of Catholics - and €ucking the Pope. RFC could have stopped them, but didnt.

To cash in on the bigoted £, RFC marketed an ORANGE strip when the Club colours are red, white, and blue.

So, stop the lying, please Hibeeee!
106

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:19:29
pundit 118

Are you drunk?
107

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:20:43
pundit 119

Oh...right...

"you claim celtic are not guilty of sectarianism"

In which post # did I make this claim?
108

jambo malky,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 16:20:58
#109
WE don't need you ya eejit!
It would be a much better league without you both, attendences would be UP at all grounds, and all the non weegie o.f. fans would support more local clubs.
Why don't you self loving idiots understand this?
109

Dood,

19/07/2008 16:21:02
#122 - Correct, and well done for being big enough to admit it.

Impetuous_Peter - Have you been reported missing from the institute yet?
110

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:21:19
pundit 124

Errr....what?????????????????????????????????
111

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

19/07/2008 16:22:48
OF weegies bring nothing but shame and carnage wherever they both go, just what they are used too. Scottish football would thrive without them and attendances would rocket at all grounds for the chance to see a level league, one which isn't corrupt to the core with old filth bias and money and as far as big clubs go, they are an embarrassment to be representing Scotland, fo to Ireland or the welsh league as the English can't stand you either.
112

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:24:31
pundit 122

LOL!

Can anyone imagine an Englishamn saying...

Oh, yes, we welcome the Pope €ucking hordes that rampaged through Manchester, causing huge damage and disruption, stabbing a Russian fan, savagely kicking a stranded Policeman, and had he not been saved by a decent man God only knows what would have happened to him....

They're quite a civilised bunch.....and they really DONT want you savages.
113

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:24:55
129: Why?
114

Impetuous_Peter,

19/07/2008 16:26:13
pundit 132

sectarianism in my Club?

Really?

Any examples?
115

Dood,

19/07/2008 16:26:15
#130, Spot on mate.

I just wish Hibs would