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Hibs act against Old Firm ticket levy



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Published Date: 04 September 2008
HIBS have risked the wrath of Rangers by inviting their supporters to buy tickets for this month's match between the sides directly from the Easter Road club.
Hibs yesterday confirmed they will refuse to pay the Glasgow giants a 5 per cent levy for distributing tickets for away games. Rangers and Celtic have both introduced the charge this season, claiming it helps offset the cost of administering to thei
r large numbers of travelling supporters.

Hibs claim they were contacted by the Rangers FC Supporters' Association and have agreed to work with them to distribute tickets to their membership for the 28 September Clydesdale Bank Premier League fixture.

Hibs chief executive Scott Lindsay believes Rangers are wrong to demand a levy for the service. He said: "The existing system has been in existence for some years and, until now, enjoyed the support of all clubs, namely that all clubs agree to co-operate and to sell tickets for their away supporters with no charge.

"Rangers FC have said they now want payment in return for this service, to recognise the value their large support brings to other clubs and to help defray their costs.

"We understand their view, but we oppose this on a point of principle. Should we then charge clubs with significantly smaller travelling supports than our own? Surely we should be looking to see how we can work together, maximise revenues for all clubs, and provide our customers – the supporters – with the best and most convenient service possible?"

Lindsay added: "We value away fans who come to Easter Road. Not only do they bring financial benefits, but a healthy away end lends to the atmosphere on match days and makes the game more enjoyable."

Of the other SPL teams, Aberdeen agreed to the levy for the 23 August match between the sides, but only after raising ticket prices for away supporters. Dundee United "reluctantly" agreed to pay the charge to Celtic for their 17 August clash at Tannadice after the Parkhead club allegedly threatened to refuse tickets.

Falkirk sold away tickets to Rangers fans themselves for the 9 August SPL opener rather than pay the charge, while Hearts have pledged to follow suit. The Scottish Premier League has already said it will not intervene in the issue, claiming it is a matter for the clubs.

Meanwhile, Derek Riordan is on a mission to top the Hibernian goalscoring charts this season. The striker, who returned to the club on Monday after two miserable years at Celtic, has vowed to repay Paatelainen's faith in him by recapturing the form that made him a hero at Easter Road.

Riordan will wear a shirt sporting the number 01, as Colin Nish has already commandeered his favourite number 10 jersey. But the 25-year-old is determined to prove himself the club's real number 10 by outscoring his fellow forward this season.

"Whatever club I'm at, I'm always wanting to finish top goalscorer," Riordan said. "I cannot wait to start playing games again. I just want to go out there and score goals. I feel like a young boy again."

Riordan also revealed how he feels robbed of the last two years of his career after being frozen out of the first-team picture at Parkhead. He said: "I'm 25 now. It feels like I've lost a couple of years, but I'm raring to go."

Riordan claimed being snubbed time and again by Celtic manager Gordon Strachan left him feeling depressed.

"I think everybody gets frustrated if they're not playing football," said the returning Hibs striker. "It depresses you to be honest but you've just got to get on with it."

Playing the numbers game – from hero who wore zero to 618

FOLLOWING Derek Riordan's allocation of the '01' shirt at Hibs, we take a look at more of the world's most bizarre squad numbers.

0 – Worn by the late Aberdeen star Hicham Zerouali, after Dons fans realised the humour potential of his surname's first four letters. Zerouali sadly died in a car crash in 2004, prompting the club to 'retire' the number.

1 – Argentina midfielder, and later Spurs boss, Ossie Ardiles wore his country's No1 jersey at the 1982 World Cup. The reason being that squad numbers were allocated by alphabetical order – the only exception was Diego Maradona.

1+8 – Inter Milan striker Ivan Zamorano's shirt number from 1997 to 2000. In his first season, the Chilean wore No9, which was then given to new signing Ronaldo. Zamorano took '18', but inserted a plus sign between the digits.

9 – Worn by eccentric Mexican goalkeeper Jorge Campos, who started his career as a striker.

10 – Normally the preserve of the playmaker, but not so at Arsenal, who gave it to centre-back William Gallas.

69 – Worn by cheeky French left-back Bixente Lizarazu when he was at Bayern Munich, though Lizarazu claimed it was merely his lucky number. It is his year of birth, weight in kilogrammes and height (1.69m).

88 – Italy keeper Gianluigi Buffon sported it at Parma, landing him in hot water. The number has fascist connotations, as did a slogan written on his T-shirt during one match.

90 – Plymouth Argyle registered former Labour Party leader Michael Foot as a player back in 2003 and handed him the No90 shirt, in honour of his 90th birthday. It made him the oldest registered player in British football history.

99 – Worn by Ronaldo at AC Milan, as Filippo Inzaghi had already taken the No9 jersey. Also used by Portugal goalkeeper Vitor Baia and numerous Serie A strikers, including Cristiano Lucarelli.

618 – Possibly the highest number ever worn by a footballer. Sao Paulo goalkeeper Rogerio Ceni, who is famous for taking free-kicks and penalties, wore it to commemorate his record 618th appearance before reverting to his usual '01'.



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  • Last Updated: 03 September 2008 11:03 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rangers FC , Hibernian FC
 
1

Giuseppe Tortolano,

04/09/2008 00:28:17
Aberdeen did not raise prices for away supports as, unfortunately, you cannot do this. Any increase has to be accross the board or every other team in the SPL would be rightly charging the unwashed hordes much more for having to put up with their weegie squalor.


What they did was to give their own fans money off one of the next 2 home games if they'd been at the celtic game.

Very poor, Mr Rumsby ( good name though ).
2

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/09/2008 00:42:19
Well done hoobs, dont let these O/F ar5ehole5 dictate to anyone about the charges, in fact we should be charging them an extra 50% on top of the ticket price for the unwashed smell they generate when they come through to our beautifull CAPITAL city.
3

Nod,

04/09/2008 00:43:14
#1 whos cares if they never raised prices! what they did do tho was go cap in hand to 1 half(so far) of the old skirm and beg them to sell tickets cos they didnt have the bottle(more worried that they may lose income) to do so for themselfs. 5% this year 10% next.

well done hibernian fc and falkirk. and hopefully more SPL teams.

shame on aberdeen and dun utd, wimps!!

and hearts raised prices for hibs supporters last and got away with it. so away and boil yer heid giuseppe.

GGTTH
4

neil7908,

04/09/2008 00:50:27
glad to hear there might be a bit of capital solidarity on this issue, hope the rest of the SPL follows and sends out a clear message that they will not be held to ransom
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04/09/2008 00:52:27
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04/09/2008 01:19:52
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DekNZ,

04/09/2008 02:06:03
Sooner the Scottish league gets rid of the infirm the better for all. Let them go to engerland or better still ireland!
8

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 03:05:36
Celtic and Rangers have been sponsoring the other clubs for decades.

Would you book Pink Floyd to appear in your local concert hall, print tickets and go round the local shops and tell them to sell the tickets and NOT expect to pay them a commission?

It's time the big two charged an administration fee for selling tickets for other clubs.

5% is pretty generous. 10% would be more fitting.

I for one am sick of the paupers of Scottish Football constantly taking money from the big two.

They constantly tell us to eff off down to England, as if that's a punishment. It's a bit like your wife or girlfriend telling you, "If you don't behave yourself I'm going to send you to live with Julia Roberts for the rest of your days."

Why don't you all just shutup and stoap greetin?
9

Daillyman,

04/09/2008 03:22:35
13 Tam

I'd prefer Pam Anderson.
10

Daillyman,

04/09/2008 03:27:12
Well later lads, golf tomorrow morning.
11

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 04/09/2008 03:48:22
Pundit, BTO, Daillyman, you're all having a laugh right?

The world of Football has changed, and you have changed with it. As have every other club in Scotland.

The simple fact remains that both your teams are far more dependant on the rest of Scotladn than Scotland is on you.

You need to win a league every couple of years to gain Euro football, without it you wither on the vine and die.
In a country of 5 million or so people, no Europe means no money for you which means no success if you cant buy your domestic league with the money you earn from the 'glamour ties' on the continent.

You go to Enlgand you become also rans, nothings, nonentities.

The Scottish league however would go through a renaissance without you. How many people do you think would start supporting their local teams again (Dundee Utd, Dundee, Aberdeen, Hearts Hibs, Partick etc) if they thought they stood even the remotest chance of winning things? The games would be on a even playing field? You could still pick and choose the players you want from the Scottish leagues, but transfers would benefit the League and teams.

Rather than weakening competition for your two scumbag institutions to lord it over it would encourage competition between all sides and be an incentive to players to play well consistenly rather than look for a big pay cheque.

You would only buy them if they were good players rather than posing a threat...

The two tiers of football these days (those that play Europe every year and those that dont) means yoyu really, really need us to be weaker than you. WHereas none of us like you because of your ethically corrupt dominance of OUR league.

Pathetic, sad, arrogant, deluded, conceited, dunderheeds, the lot of you...

Oh aye, on the subject of Hibs selling the tickets themselves...





GIRUY Rankers FC, shame of Scotland...
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Oh Yeah!!!,

04/09/2008 03:59:24
#s 18, 20 - Your jealousy is eating you up, you're a feeder club, nothing more. If OF fans boycotted away games for a season you would soon change your minds.
14

Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/09/2008 03:59:31
#19, Buy The Officials, Really, that's why every single team can take 30 or 40 thousand to cup finals when they get there? Nah didn't think so, That's also why Dundee Uts and Aberdeen were getting crowds of 35-40 Thou in the 80's cos no one supports them.

You forget most of your 'fans' would support whoever is successful at the time. You have bought their affections, they would no longer love you if you became as irrelevant to them as you are to the majority of Football fans.
15

Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/09/2008 04:03:00
#21, eh, no we wouldn'y...
16

Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/09/2008 04:06:10
#23, No you wouldn't. You have far fewer fans than you do now. Do you think Liverpool fans will still have a soft spot for Celtc if they are in direct competition with them? Chelsea fans still like Rangers? Nah dont think so. You would dissappear, be as important as Fulham or Portsmouth. About where you stand now only with more money and less to spend it on...
17

Giuseppe Tortolano,

04/09/2008 04:06:44
BO

What? People who actually followed their local team as opposed to snuffling at the glory hunter's trough?

You from Goven, yes?
18

Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/09/2008 04:08:57
#25Because your team has more supporters than any single team does not mean you have more supporters than every team put together, FACT
19

Giuseppe Tortolano,

04/09/2008 04:18:54
I love the fact that claiming more fans is apparently a good thing, like saying that having more scabies than me is terrific. Have you seen the support at Ibrox? they've not worried the evolutionary scale recently, have they?

#30 You are welcome to the glory hunting fu&ksticks

20

Cammy,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 04:41:04
The OF do bring increased profile to the Scottish league. Unfortunately they also take all the TV cash.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
21

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 05:42:55
#22 - Aberdeen and Dundee United were getting crowds of 35 to 40 thousand in the 80s were they?

In your dreams pal.

The capacity at Pittodrie has never been more than 28,000 and Tannadice even lower at 25,000. In the 80s apart from games against the big 2, Aberdeen and Dundee United were attracting average crowds of between 14 and 17 thousand.
22

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:06:38
And another thing. The diddy fans are always on about us not supporting our local team. I know of people from Hamilton who support Motherwell; Hearts fans who were born and raised in Leith and further east; Hibs fans who come from Gorgie and all points west. Why don't THEY support their local team? Of course, it's because it's in their family history. Nothing wrong with that. So why is it wrong for Celtic and Rangers fans to follow the team their dads and grandads supported?
23

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:29:25
About 12 years ago, when Fergus McCann was in charge at Celtic Park, he hired a Marketing & Research company to carry out a survey among Celtic fans. Being a shrewd business man, he wanted to get to know his customer base. 70,000 questionnaires were distributed and more than 38,000 fans took part in the survey.

Part of the survey asked the question "Why are you a Celtic supporter?"

These are the results.

My father (or other senior family member) was a Celtic fan and took me to see them when I was a boy: 38%

I grew up in and around Glasgow and Celtic were my local team: 35%

I went to a Catholic school and all my friends supported Celtic: 14%

I wanted to support the Catholic team: 7%

Celtic were the top team when I was a boy: 6%

Summary -

Almost 3 out every 4 Celtic fans support Celtic because it was their local team or because their Celtic supporting father/grandfather/uncle etc took them to see Celtic as a boy.

Only 1 in 20 Celtic fans is a Celtic fan because they were/are the best team - often called 'Glory Hunters'.

I can't post a link to this because it is in an old copy of the Celtic View which a went searching for, so you will just have to take my word for it. I remembered reading the fascinating survey results at the time.
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Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:34:32
The 38% who said: "My father (or other senior family member) was a Celtic fan and took me to see them when I was a boy" would be a fair representation of the number of Celtic fans who live in other areas in Scotland, away from Glasgow.

I would imagine Rangers fans would return sinmilar figures.
25

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:39:24
LOL
26

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:41:38
With the Jambos, I am sure at least 10% of them would say: "I can fly the Union Flag and sing and chant anti-Catholic and anti-Irish songs and slogans and verbally abuse the Pope without having to spend all that money travelling to Ibrox."
27

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:44:21
85% of Hibs fans: "We've never won anything since 1902 but we get to say - 'We were first to wear the green'"
28

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 06:46:13
I think we've put their gas at a peep BTO. Typical isn't it? No challenge. They give up and run away so easily.
29

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 07:20:50
Can't wait.
30

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 07:21:38
By which I mean - I can't wait. I am signing off in a few minutes.
31

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 07:42:00
Ach they're all wimps. That's why they support the diddy teams.
32

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 04/09/2008 07:56:56
Well done Hibs. Cant see how either of the OF can justify this charge. All teams have administration costs, not just the OF.
33

Talk o' the Toun,

04/09/2008 08:00:08
Harlem tam: i was read a survey that all men have 10inch knobs & have sex a minimum of 20 times a week...spent the rest of my life worrying about why i was the exception.
Congratulations you have struck a cord with BTO/pundit......ie you have managed to find the 'lowest common denominatot'...particularly with your post#48.

Suggest you stick to forming mini leagues as opposed to spouting cr#p.Scotlands history has had & will continue to have a major impact on the volume of support Celtiv/rangers will have but the% of 'glory hunters' is substantially higher than your STATS suggest.(pundit for sure is a perfect example of same) BTW everyones right to support who they like . Personally it would bore the t!Ts of me watching Celtic or rangers week in week out & personally i am honoured to be a HEARTS fan & could give you(if i thought it was relivant which i do not) GENUINE STAS from my own extended family that would ridicule the bullsh!T within your post#48.

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Talk o' the Toun,

04/09/2008 08:03:40
Meant to add....well done HIBS for standing up to the 'money grabbing' OF.

The OF's greed is selling their genuine fans down the river....ie they will not have the control to reward the loyal fans.

HEARTS will follow i'm sure
35

johnrebus,

Oxford Bar 04/09/2008 08:05:48
To all Old Firm Fans .


Diddy teams ?

What exactly is a ' Diddy team ' ?

Perhaps you should look more closely at yourselves .

Are your lives so sad that you have to align yourselves with the big ' successful ' clubs to give yourselves some kind of sense of importance ?

Rangers and Celtic are two cheeks of the same backside .

You deserve each other .
36

Hibee Kev,

Corstorphine 04/09/2008 08:06:05
Kick the OF out if they have a problem with this, we don't need them, not vice versa. Lock the doors behind them. Let them play each other ad nauseum, I'm sure they'd enjoy that.
37

the west end general,

04/09/2008 08:08:48
any last lingering chance of the Old Firm playing in England died in Manchester a few months ago ( and the Lennon fracas was the final nail )
face it you are not wanted FACT
38

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 04/09/2008 08:17:01
No. 63:- OF fans think they would be welcomed in England. The fact is England does not want them.
39

WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

UK 04/09/2008 08:21:15
Why we have to pay at all to visit dumps like fester road twice a season is beyond me.
It's only the fact that our fans are loyal to the team that we don't boycott your dumps.
Once again though we shall be there and out-sing the pathetic hibs support, as always.
Follow Follow.
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the west end general,

04/09/2008 08:22:48
the English were honestly shocked by the damage caused and attitude of the drunken louts supporting Rangers,It made them realise how far they had come in tidying up their game.There is no way they would let them in.
41

jdships,

04/09/2008 08:23:09
Interestingly not one OF poster has even attempted to put up an argument justifying the 5% levy .
Instead they spend time abusing other teams for working to good commercial practices.
Their sheer arrogance is unbelieveable - sorry a mistake there forgot who we were talking about . It should read "is believable"
Also may add that they seem to forget that they rely on nearly 40% of their ST's being bought by people who live outwith Scotland.
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WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

UK 04/09/2008 08:23:31
#61 You obviously qualify as a diddy if you don't know what a diddy team are.

Let me spell it out.....

A diddy team is every other team in Scotland outwith the OF.
Simple enough for you?
It means a team with a dump for a stadium and very few fans.
Does that sound familiar to you?
Then you are a fan of a diddy team.
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WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

UK 04/09/2008 08:24:42
#68 Another diddy team fan....Rangers don't rely on anybody to sell our season tickets.
We have a waiting list you diddy.
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the west end general,

04/09/2008 08:28:17
70
not true .. you have not had a waiting list for STs for 2 years FACT
Another keyboard fan .....Do you or any of the other Rangers 'fans' on here own a ST?
45

WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

UK 04/09/2008 08:35:38
#72 Another who knows nothing.
I suggest you phone Ibrox and ask to buy 2 season tickets for the club deck please.
I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years, since my very first "Rover" ticket which enabled me to take my pick of any row of seats I wanted.
Ah the bad old days.
I think you'll find that cfc also have a waiting list for most of their season tickets.
Unlike diddy clubs, Rangers have more than 1 kind of season ticket. Fact.
46

the west end general,

04/09/2008 08:38:47
Sorry but again you are wrong,anyone who wanted to buy a season ticket for Ibrox in July could. FACT
also many non Old Firm teams have different types of season tickets and certain categories are indeed sold out in many cases
47

John H,

edinburgh 04/09/2008 08:45:50
Hibs are quite right in doing what they are.
The OF have once again united (strange bedfellows indeed)to try to rip more money out of the Scottish pot for themselves. They are a continuing disgrace to the game with there inward looking attitude.
If only the other clubs would do what their fans want. Vote them out of the league, let them find somewhere else to ply their bigotry and nationalistic fervours.
They will find that nobody wants them. In fact without the rest of Scottish football they would be modern day lepers.
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WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

UK 04/09/2008 08:46:17
There is a waiting list for the club deck.
Are you trying to tell me that you contacted RFC in July to see what was available?
Why is it that so many people who are just "anti-Rangers" can't even get their facts straight?
Gotta go now but have fun and remember, Rangers are still the most successful football team in the world ever.
History of course isn't everything so I'll just concentrate on our most recent victory.....
49

Wee Pal Joe,

04/09/2008 08:51:06
The usual pathetic ranting from fans of the wee diddy teams. Get over your jealousy.
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Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 08:57:53
"HIBS have risked the wrath of Rangers by inviting their supporters to buy tickets for this month's match between the sides directly from the Easter Road club."

Good god Scotsman... try and at least sound like a paper printed in the capital will ye?

I am sure Hibs are really 5h1tting themselves right enough from big bad Rangers... Arf, Arf... Another toothless attack on their own personality by the weegie scumbags.

Good luck in joining the Premiership after Manchester, Good luck in having fixtures moved next time after this, Good luck getting anything from the other SPL teams after the disgusting way you conduct your business.

Well done Hobos, good to see a little backbone.

Oh yeah and good luck getting this to wash with Vlad!
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Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/09/2008 09:02:33
Harlem Tam, don't suppose this survery had answers written in to tick a box did it? Dont suppose it was distributed outside of Glasgow was it?

Your arguement holds no sway toward mine as the figures for you survey are as corrupt as the team you support and the league they play in.

In reference to the gates at Aberdeen and Dundee Hibs, fr play get things like that wron all the time, funny thng is it still supports my theory that they dont attract crowds like they used to. A closer league competition with an unbiased governing body would definitely bring more fans out the wood work.

THe idea that you are right just cos you can say 'there are loads of us' is ludicrous.

It is a 12 team league and each team should have a fair crack at success, your duopoly prevents that in Scotland. In all fairness, that is just the way it is.

However, that doesnt mean you can rip the pash out of other clubs by charging them money to do what you expect them to do for free for you... That's bullying and frankly crony behaviour, Its a digrace and your clubs should offer an official apology for their utter disregard for ethicaly sound business.

This is something the other clubs CAN and WILL afford to make a stand against you in. The SPL cannot in anyway force them to pander to your standover tactics and the behaviour of your 'fans' is ensured to deteriorate if your suporters clubs no longer have the ability to police who gets tickets. I sense big fines coming to Ibrox adn Parkhead this year and about time too...
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Hibs.net,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 09:05:30
Risk the Wrath of Rangers!! What a sensational line. Why would we risk the Wrath of Rangers?

Hibernian FC and Hearts are big clubs and could quite easily survive without ANY of the OF sides support at either ground. The away stands at the capital clubs split in half and thus ensuring that if they really wanted to sell tickets then appx 1800 away fans would get them.

The OF were confident that most clubs would roll over and get their bellies tickled and they were hoping that the Capital clubs would fall into line. They however have underestimated the Capital clubs and they are now showing everyone how to go about dealing with tyrants of the scottish game.

The last 2 Scottish cup matches at Ibrox have seen Hibs bring over 6,000 fans, do you honestly think Rangers would have agreed to give Hibs 5% for selling tickets, as well as half the gate money, thus giving Hibs 55% of a gate at Ibrox? Yeah, right!!

The OF are a parasite on the Scottish game and are not content unless they are sucking the life out of our game. Years ago clubs shared gate money and rightly the OF were not happy with this. The OF tax is a stage too far though and any OF fan who says this is correct is kidding themselves and wants to take the blinkers off.

What does the SPL or SFA do about this new OF tax? Nothing as per usual. Hibs face Rangers Wrath!! Yeah right, bring it on. Next you will be moaning that he capital clubs have a big enough support to command a 50/50 split for a cup final!!
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Jamboy,,

edinburgh 04/09/2008 09:13:26
#79, 80, 81

Hear, hear lads.

It is not that often that i agree completely with the dark side of our fair burgh but i have to concur 100% with the above sentiments.

They will get more money when they try and wash every once in a while.

What, what... They don't like it up them.
55

Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 09:15:35
Well done Hibs. We need all the other SPL teams to similar action and stand up to the bully boys tactics of the OF. Interesting how they both came up with the same idea at the same time. Collusion, unfair competition, wouln't be surprised if there wasn't something in European Anti-Trust legislation to prevent it.

Nice to see the SPL putting their tin hat on and keeping their heads down. You can bet your bottom dollar if the boot had been the other foot they'd have been up their slapping down the OF teams. Real mafia tactics.
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

04/09/2008 09:16:25
#81 Great post. Lets hope Hearts and Hibs work together on this. Both Edinburgh clubs can easilly fill the ground with their own fans when playing the OF.
57

Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 09:16:50
My #83 should have read "slapping doen the non-OF teams"
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Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 09:28:37
#86 No need to - meaning is perfectly clear.

Anyway you really shouldn't be using a comma and a conjunction next to each other.
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We love fitba,

google! 04/09/2008 09:30:23
You don't need to call OF fans stupid - as this thread ably demonstrates, they are more than eager to show off their stupidity all by themselves.

Won't some other league take them? Please?
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Who?,

04/09/2008 09:36:39
#89- no other league will take the OF.

The OF tried to set up an atlantic league, set up a nordic league and flit to the epl- not even the irish league will take them.

A few years back the 10 scottish clubs resigned from the spl to get up a league without the OF. The gfa fearful of not having a glasgow team as champions forced a compromise and the OF backed down with their tails between their legs. I for one wish the clubs had stood firm and setup this new league.

Until we can setup or arrange for another country to take them then we are stuck with them.
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Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 09:36:43
#89 Would be great if the English leagues said come on down, but you'll have to start in the Vauhall Conference (or whatever it's called now)!

Would the EPL vote to have them? Would turkeys vote for Christmas?
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Expel RanTic,

Cheltenham 04/09/2008 09:46:34
Excellent Hibs. Every club should be taking a stand against these greedy, arrogant bullies.

Clearly another reason for the rest of Scottish football to 'help' the bigot brothers on their way out of the SPL.

Even with less TV money (so what!) the game will be more interesting, more competitive and attract bigger crowds.

The less money attracted to football, the less money the smaller teams need to beg, steal and borrow to compete, putting them at risk of going bust.

Can't Rantic see that they need the other teams more than we need them?
64

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 09:57:05
It's a bit like...

"Will you just go away glasgow and please stop pestering me... I am not giving you anymore money, you'll only spend it on cheap dronk or drugs/glue."... "Why don't you get a job?"
65

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 09:57:53
#95

'dronk': drink/grog. LOL
66

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04/09/2008 10:02:44
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67

mister cheeky,

04/09/2008 10:06:20
Do fans really bother where they buy there tickets from. By selling the tickets in Edinburgh all this will mean is that East Coast based OF fans will purchase the tickets. The season tickets holders and supporters clubs who usually get the tickets will soon get fed up with not getting their alication and make their feelings known to their own clubs.

As previous posters have pointed out the OF need to smell the coffee and realise that they actually need the rest of the SPL rather than the other way round as no one else will accept them and without the rest of us they would have a 2 team league, although some of the bigots, sadly would probably prefer that.
68

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

04/09/2008 10:11:20
#95 Weegie land is quickly degenerating into a one huge subsidy junket.
69

Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 10:14:41
#94 - It's 'independent' stupid.
70

Jambo-ree,

04/09/2008 10:15:44
#99 Look on the bright side though - they don't live as long as the rest of us.
71

Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/09/2008 10:28:36
#64 - BTO, for the first time ever, you've made a funny post. A Rangers fan calling supporters of other clubs chavs, you just couldn't make it up.

I never thought I'd say this, but well played the Hibs, tell the parasites where to get off. Hope Hearts do the same.
72

Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/09/2008 10:36:52
DON'T GIVE THE WEEGIE SCUM ANY TICKETS, MIND YOU THEY'LL STILL HAVE SUPPORTERS THERE THE 2 LINESMEN AND THE REF.
GET IT INTO YOUR THICK HEADS BIGOT BROS WE HATE BOTH OF YOU EQUALLY, NOW F'K RIGHT OFF BACK YOUR CAVES NEANDERTHALS
73

Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/09/2008 10:43:10
#71 - good God BTO, your understanding of money appears to be even less than your commitment to humility.

"Take it or leave it. That's the deal.

Those that don't take will lose out. Those that do will gain"

How exactly do the clubs gain from putting up with a 5% (for now) reduction in ticket income?

Most will leave it I think - the final straw from one of the most unjustifiably arrogant bunch of Coventry University Netball Teams in the world.
74

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 04/09/2008 10:44:20
The fact of the matter is that the OF are not going anywhere. England does not want them. They should realise that they need the other teams in the SPL as much, if not more, than the other teams need them. They should therefore, like their supporters, get off their high horses and treat the other teams with respect and abolish this crazy ticket price hiking scam.
75

Naeboz,

04/09/2008 10:53:45
Well done Hibs !!

Old Firm - GIRFUY
76

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 11:17:57
Why don't the Old Firm just not bother going to easter road and Tynie?...

No biggie, they won't be missed... However I think we both know they won't do that as how else will all Edinburgh's glory hunters be able to watch the games?

Well done Hibs, GIRFUY Old Firm.
77

Pazuzu,

04/09/2008 11:18:14
bring them on:
Rangers keep Scottish football alive.

Hah-fkn-hah!

With religious bigotry, nonesensical arguement, violence, hatred, ignorance, racisim, oh it's alive alright.

If your that good, when not join the English leagues, oh, that's right they wont have your kind either.

The ugly sisters are the unremovable stain on Scottish Football. The only thing to do is to throw it out.....


GGTTH

First, Last and Always.
78

Pazuzu,

04/09/2008 11:18:39
'why' not - typo!
79

Pazuzu,

04/09/2008 11:26:56
Dublin-Hibernian:

A few additions:

Daddy, "how come the weans have their ane claes?"
Daddy, "how come they all have ten fingers, and I've got 12?"

Daddy, "how come Mummy's hand's are so soft?"
Daddy answers "That's cos she's only 15"
Daddy, "where do we steal our food from?"
Daddy, "what is this 'soap thing' they are talking aboot?"


GGTTH
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John south of Soutra,

04/09/2008 12:08:52
#111 that the best post yet - I nearly burst my sides laughing, when the bigit brothers are in town, a lot of the home support stay away as they don't want to listen to their sectarian songs and hymns of hate.
It's high time the perpetrators of this behaviour were arrested if were to be seriuos about ridding Scotland of this sectarian poison.
The Old Firm are well named because for years they have formed an alliance based on the a divide that keeps them both in business
81

forbesy1873,

04/09/2008 12:11:40
Dearie me, there must be more Hibs/Hearts fans on this thread than there are in the stadium, talk about an inferiority complex!
82

xhibs,

london 04/09/2008 12:27:42
I'm puzzled as to why 2 provincial clubs think that 2 capital based clubs should subsidise them?
83

Silence of the Yams,

04/09/2008 12:29:49
I hope Hibs slap a 10% booking charge on the hu n filth.
84

Eddie,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 12:31:29
No 111 - Don't know where your logic comes from, but, to my knowledge, when Rangers and Celtic come to town, a lot of local support stays well away. Who wants to walk to the match looking at blue-clad drunks urinating in people's gardens and doorways, being sick all over the place and generally showing their in-built anti-social behaviour.
If Rangers (and Celtic) fans don't see or realise that actually no one welcomes them anywhere, then there is no prospect of improvement.
I read recently that the Championship in England is the sixth-richest league in the world, and is still way ahead of the SPL. Where on earth do the OF think they will fit into the English system? They're very small beer, but it would be good for Scottish Football if they were to leave. Some real competition and ambition would be instilled in the other clubs, working together to improve the whole, rather than the selfish attitude of the two big bully fish in a small pond.
Hibs and Hearts can stand up to this 5% levy, but if they did not, they would then have to start punishing ICT, St Mirren, Hamilton. Where does that attitude end?
The only logical conclusion of dominating your fellow teams is to bankrupt them one at a time until we have a two-team league.
And it would serve them right.
85

MGJ,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 12:32:25
Away teams used to take a share of the gate in the SPL up until 1981 when the rules were changed for what was claimed to be a couple of seasons to help Rangers rebuild Ibrox. Never got changed back, and the level-ish playing field that allowed the New Firm, and sadly Hearts, to challenge the Old Firm in the mid 80's disappeared as the huge advantage of keeping the whole of the gatemoney took effect.

They'll be asking why they should share cup receipts next.
86

FFF,

04/09/2008 12:33:20
I'd be interested in knowing how much more the CAPITAL clubs have to fork out in policing when the scum come to Edinburgh. Considering that our actual gates are only a couple of thou higher and in Hearts case even less, I would imagine that the financial benefit is minimal. Factor in the cost of cleaning up after them and the benefits reduce even further.
Condider also, that if a capital club only gets 1 game at home against the vermin during the season, that's a VERY small percentage increase in our overall gates.
WE don't need them. SCOTLAND doesn't need them
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/09/2008 12:35:48
Both clubs should up the ante and charge a 50% fee to both OF teams when they visit.

The upside: more income (possibly) or less Weedgies/East coast wannabees to deal with at home games (less income perhaps but less cost for security, less locals having to deal with p155-stained stairwells, verbal/physical abuse etc - winner all round).

The downside - the OF might take a huff and reduce ticket allocation for visiting Capital clubs to less than a thousand....

eh?

Oh, they've already done that have they?

Nothing to lose except hassle IMO.
88

Hibernianinc,

04/09/2008 12:38:09
Well done Hibs.

Once again the arrogance of the OF surprises all the decent fans in Scotland.

As many have posted, they are a blight, a cancer on football and Scottish society as a whole.

For all the arguments put forward by the self-congratulatory Pundit, BTO and HTam (ever wondered why they're called the OF - take away the colours and you CANNOT tell the difference) I have 1 word. Currently.

Currently they have the most fans. But not so long ago the joke was "whats wrong with rangers stadium?" - "the seats face the pitch". Quite funny as the "loyal" support stayed away in droves.

Sellick - their hampden year averaged crowds in the 20k's. That's only 13 years ago.

Hibs biggest crowd was 65k. With a sniff of a trophy and our best players not warming a bench in the West, fans will come back.

Rest assured, the OF and not wanted, liked or needed.

Do one, the pair of you.
89

Skiver,

04/09/2008 12:43:20
#18

best post in a long long time!
90

The Smiler,

04/09/2008 12:46:24
#90 - oh dear where do i begin with your pathetic whinging ??

Firstly yes the 10 teams did try to form a breakaway league away from the OF in order to have a bigger say in hw things were run.

The biggest obstacle was that no one was interested in televising the league unless Rangers and Celtic were involved - after all apart for a minority audience watching who else would tune in ??

So the 10 clubs then invited RFC and CFC back into the fold insisting that they still have a equal say on how things are run , which for some unexplicable reason RFC and CFC allowed them - they then turned down £45m for a 5 season deal from Sky (which both RFC and CFC pushed for) and the 10 diddy teams wanted to start up their own channel to show matches - when they realised this wasn't feasible they went back to Sky who told them to get on their bike - and ended up cap in hand to the BBC for about £1.5m per season now with business acumen like that at your club is it any wonder you are all known as diddy teams ???

Especially the pair from the Tartan Tat theme park city !!!! - it like Disney but no where near as good.
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Skiver,

04/09/2008 13:01:49
Strange to see some of the comments about the Bitter Two and how their legions of thousands of (non-gloryhunting fans) fans are keeping Scottish football alive.

Gates at Rangers were very low in the early to mid 80s and Celtic's fell in the early 90s.

If Rangers crowds fell as low as 4,000 or whetever and they now get 52,000 then that makes more than 90% of their fans gloryhunters, but then the rest of us knew that already.


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Highland Hibby,

Inverness 04/09/2008 13:10:17
#99 Never thought I would agree with you! I will still challenge 1 thing though: I thought they had degenerated centuries ago.

To think, they didn't support the Jacobites because they thought highlanders wer filthy criminals. Ironic or what?
93

Who?,

04/09/2008 13:17:41
#122- think your brain has been rotted by all the buckfast.

The OF and the gfa came running back to the 10 SCOTTISH clubs with their collective tails between their legs. Among many of the humiliating concessions the OF made were on majority voting(from 10-2 to 8-4), share of tv income and league prize money to name a few.

Regarding the spl tv channel it was the OF and roger mitchel who instigated it. The OF wanted 80% of this revenue, when that was blocked the veoted the deal (10-2 vote). The 10 SCOTTISH clubs wanted the sky contract as it was guarenteed money where as the OF and their crooked accounting failed to realise that the chanel would need 200,000 paying viewers per week to break even.

Nobody wants you- get the message!
94

Harlem Tam,

04/09/2008 13:28:20
Well well BTO. Just back from the club and a nice evening. Looked in and noticed I did manage to reel a lot of them in. So gullible and predictable aren't they?

It was worth setting the bait. Off to bed now. Hibbees and Jambies. Thanks for the entertainment. I knew you would bite.
95

FFF,

04/09/2008 13:45:32
Bait? What bait?
A story about Hibs standing up to the greedy barstewards from the midden is always going to get strong support from us. There was never any need for input from you. Away and take a long walk off a short pier.
96

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 04/09/2008 13:49:30
I'm not going to bother reading what has been posted in this thread - just glancing through the names of the posters (the usual list of arrogant, illiterate, limited-intelligence Old Firm Neanderthals) tells me there's little of substance worth looking at.

Well done Hibs. I truly hope everyone else follows suit.

And just so the bigots are clear - we are absolutely serious when we say we don't want you in our league. We don't want your "fans" visiting our towns and cities. We don't want your bigotry. We don't want your arrogance. We will survive without your money, in a far more interesting league than we have now.

WE DON'T WANT YOU!

Can that be any clearer?

Probably, because there will still be knuckle draggers posting on here that I must be joking, because "We finance ra diddy teams byraway" and "ra diddy teams wouldn't survive without us byraway", blah blah blah.

Really?

Why don't you both f*** off so we can see how everyone else does without you?

Really.

SOFBTRC!
97

FFF,

04/09/2008 14:03:35
....Further to my suggestion at #127, if you take this advice, it would negate your obligation to take your yearly bath.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 04/09/2008 14:21:00
#18 (Ex-Pat Stanton)

Well said that man.

I hope I live to see the day when we have an Old firm-free SPL.

SOFBTRC!