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Rangers facing test of character



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Published Date: 17 May 2008
WALTER Smith has expressed his confidence that his players possess the mental strength required to overcome their Uefa Cup final defeat and pass what he believes will be the sternest test of their footballing lives over the next eight days.

If the Rangers manager was a little resentful at not being granted more time to prepare for and savour the biggest match of his career in Manchester on Wednesday night, he knows his team simply cannot afford to linger over the dismay they experienc
ed in losing 2-0 to Zenit St Petersburg.

They return to action at lunchtime today, facing Motherwell at Fir Park in the first of three away SPL fixtures in five days which will determine whether they can prise the championship away from Celtic.

Maximum points this afternoon and from the subsequent assignments at St Mirren on Monday night and Aberdeen on Thursday night would give Rangers the title and allow them to seek a domestic 'treble' of trophies when they then take on Queen of the South at Hampden in the Scottish Cup final next Saturday.

It is an unprecedented schedule, but Smith has faith in the squad of players who will complete an all-time Scottish record of 68 matches in a season when the final whistle blows at the national stadium next week.

"We suffered a disappointment on Wednesday night but it has to be put firmly in the background," said the Rangers manager. "It's not easy, but it has to be done.

"As a manager, I can sit them all down and point out that we have lost a final, but that we still have to go on and be successful. But it's always easy to say that, it's never easy to rid yourself of that disappointment.

"The players have a real test of their characters over the next week. It will be as big a test as they will have in their professional careers. They are going into three must-win league games and then a Scottish Cup final less than 48 hours after the last of those league games. It's going to be an enormous test for everybody. As I say, it is easy from a manager's point of view to sit them down and talk through whatever aspect of it we want, but in the end it is our players who have to handle the situation.

"They have worked enormously hard to get here. It's a circumstance I can never remember, having to play in this manner for the last week of the season, but it's just what they have to do. We know we have to win the games now.

"Hopefully the importance of the situation, in terms of the league championship and the Scottish Cup, will help them forget about Wednesday and deal with the situation.

"Our motivation is to try and finish off what they started nine months ago. Our aim was to put up a better challenge to Celtic, which we have done, but we now find ourselves in a position where if we win three games, we win the championship.

"We have to show we can handle circumstances which few teams have ever had to handle to get there. Once you get to within this distance of winning the championship, there are always nerves and tension. There will be for us over the next three games. They are all away from home, which is also an unusual circumstance at this stage of the season. We have handled a lot this season and I think there will be a determination to do well in the final games, regardless of the disappointment we experienced on Wednesday."

With Motherwell having secured third place in the SPL and qualification for next season's Uefa Cup last weekend, it remains to be seen how intense their approach to today's match will be. Smith, however, is dismissive of any prospect of his players facing an easier task than they would have done if Mark McGhee's men were still desperate for the points.

"The fact that Motherwell have already qualified for European football won't come into it," he said. "The games in Scotland are always competitive."

Smith, through necessity as much as strategy, intends to shuffle his squad over the course of the four games with Lee McCulloch, Charlie Adam, Steven Smith and DaMarcus Beasley all set to play a part at some stage despite their recent and varied lengths of absence because of injuries.

"They have all been doing extra work in training," he said. "There is a concern over a lack of match sharpness, but we are going to have to use all of our available players over the next four games, whether they lack match sharpness or not. It doesn't matter if they are rusty, they will just have to play."

Sasa Papac is Smith's only fresh injury concern. The Bosnian defender suffered a thigh strain in the Uefa Cup final and faces a fitness test to determine his availability today. Kevin Thomson will play on until the end of the season, despite the midfielder continuing to experience pain in the foot injury which made him a doubt in midweek.





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Wee Pal Joe,

17/05/2008 00:09:26
A tough one in store. And two more tough league games after that if we get through it. What an achievement it will be if the lads can do it.
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Kirrie Tim,

17/05/2008 00:35:13
#1

Have a day off Terry, sorry Backofthenet/Thommo/Boberto ad infinitum.

Please please please please Motherwell.... do them and do them good.

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Silence of the Yams,

17/05/2008 01:06:50
For once the fans will be more tired than the players after all their 'exertions' in Manchester. Lot's to be proud of says the 'Loyal' media.
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chunky,

Shanghai 17/05/2008 01:15:12
#2

Says it all really. Not good enough to win the title on your own.

Go Bears
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jerrymanders,

17/05/2008 01:25:17
After the disgrace of Wednesday night the whole of Europe must be holding its collective breath and hope that automatic CL qualification does not go to them. Can you imagine the next big city that has to "welcome" the "peepil"?!!
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Fayneant,

NZ 17/05/2008 01:52:52
Today's match is the real test. Win this and I'll think they'll hold out for the Treble.

I think this team has more gumption than the Celtic side that cratered after losing in Seville. Time to prove it.

C'mon the Teddy Bears!
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Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 17/05/2008 03:50:42
"Disgusting and repulsive, they were swearing, urinating wherever they were and generally being obnoxious all day"...what a Manchester Policeman said of the stinkgers fans. How accurate.

I have been saying that this lot are Scotlands shame for years and they prove it in the most graphic way.

There is nothing endearing about this institution. It plays anti-football, it's fans are violent trouble-makers and it's management team are hypocrits.

Lets hear no more about "tiny minorities", rangers are rottn to the core.

This performance will have killed off any lingering hopes of they might have of ever being invited into the english premiership, and will have killed off our chance too be association.

As I have been saying for years...rankgers, scotlands shame.
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Dubai in Lagos,

17/05/2008 04:50:41
Tommy Burns. A true Celtic man worthy of respect. A good football player.
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I-Mac,

17/05/2008 07:49:06
#9,

The overwhelming majority of the 200,000 (Manchester council figure) Rangers fans behaved well. Moreover, Rangers fans had previously been on nine European away trips this season without a single arrest. However, the closeness of the final to Glasgow and certain other places allowed all kinds of folk to pile in, some of whom no doubt behave very badly at other times when they have a drink in them. Indeed some of them might even be banned from Ibrox already.

As for refereeing, Rangers could well have conceded a penalty for a handball against Broadfoot. If it had happened in a domestic match, the paranoid brigade would no doubt have been raving and drooling again.
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Magnet,

17/05/2008 08:00:59
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Have Celtic had more favourable decisions from officials than any other SPL team this season ?
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 08:11:42
I seem to recall Celtic getting a corner against Motherwell that may not have been a corner.
Much was made of this at the time as 'proof' of referees favouring Celtic.

Does that count?
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Magnet,

17/05/2008 08:24:30
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Truth aversion ! I`m waiting !
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 08:27:51
PC 31

Of course the scenes on TV were shameful and an embarassment to football. All the good press from 19 previous Euro games with no trouble, will now be forgotten. Those that were involved in the trouble will be banned but what more could anyone at the club have done?

As you point out 150,000 - 170,000 people gathering for a football match is unheard of. No matter how many fans rioted, it's still wrong, but 200 fans from this number in Manchester? As chris Evans pointed out on Radio 2, it's 0.00125% of Rangers fans who were there.

But, seeing the pictures of Rangers fans, management and staff turning up to pay their respects to a great man like Tommy Burns shows the class that lies within and is part of Rangers FC and their fans, and indeed that of Celtic too.

Unfortunately, for people like youself, who jump on the bandwagon, spilling out your hatred and sectarian bile, class is something you lack.
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Magnet,

17/05/2008 08:30:53
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You have such a huge inferiority complex that drives your desire tae be superior at something .... but you`re not ! Answer the question or are you going tae deflect the truth as usual ... hypocrite !
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Magnet,

17/05/2008 08:32:50
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Answer the question !
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 08:40:30
Before Wednesday, I would never have believed that even Rangers fans would sink as low as trying to kick a policeman to death.

It has truly been an astonishing week.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 08:41:14
15. Good attempt at a wind up, mate, which inadvertently illustrates the sad mentality of the tic support.
You genuinely believe that Rangers = evil and celtic = bad.
You genuinely believe that by some strange quirk of fate, all Rangers fans are violent knuckledraggers, while the tic support consists of well-educated family men. How sad you are. Take a minute to ponder how ridiculous your assertions are.
OK Rangers had a sectarian signing policy, but let's not forget that, at the same time, there was a great deal dividing the 2 Glasgow communities.
My mother told me a story recently:
She had a wee pal next door with whom she used to play quite happily as a kid until, one day, her friend came round and said she wasn't allowed to come round to my mother's house any more because the priest had said it was a sin to go into a Protestant's house. No doubt you'll put on your green-tinted spectacles and try to mock me for relating this story, but I can assure you it's true. I only tell it to illustrate the fact that the bigotry is a two-way process, so let's climb down from the moral high ground PC31 and admit that.
Let's not forget, too, that CFC club was formed to keep the angelic little catholics away from the nasty Protestants.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 08:42:00
Should be celtic = good inline 3 of course!
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 08:42:14
As I suspected. You have problems reading comments from another point of view.
Read the post again !!!!

I asked what more could the club have done?

The vast crowds were unheard of for a football match, and those who were intent on starting trouble had plenty of cover to hide.

Again, if you had read the post, I said that any number rioting is wrong. But 0.00125% pf the crowd?

Your lack of class is astounding.

Also, I note you made no comment about the respects paid to the great Tommy Burns. You are incapable of dignity and respect as much as those you rioted in Manchester. Maybe you missed your education in morals.
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madrab,

edinburgh 17/05/2008 08:45:53
Will Gordon Smith prove he is worthy of his salary by banning Rangers from european competition next season?

Or will his boss at Ibrox not allow it?
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 08:46:15
PC 31 Here's a quote from your own post 17:
"As a result, a small number of supporters, who until that point had been largely well-behaved and had been enjoying the carnival atmosphere........"

Seems like Baldy Bain wasn't lying after all, dude.
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Magnet,

17/05/2008 08:46:46
27 & 14
Can`t answer the question and therefore have relinquished any form of credibility ! That`s right isn't it James ?
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 08:55:17
PC 31

Lies? Excuses? Dear oh dear!!!!

What's wrong? Has your CocoPops not turned your milk brown yet? Every thing you write reeks of the brown stuff.

Try again, reading my original post.

And still no mention of the respect shown by Rangers and their fans to Tommy Burns?

Sad, sad, sad man.
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17/05/2008 08:56:06
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 08:56:56
31 How sad that, rather than follow your own team, you wallow in the mock outrage of "Scotland's Shame".
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:00:04
It was only a 'minority' of English fans who ever caused trouble.
That wasn't an excuse then, it's not an excuse now.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:01:55
33 "Could the answer lie in education?"
That's for sure dude. Put a stop to the catholic community's sectarian education policy and you won't have generations of Scots kids believing that protestants/catholics are different.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:04:49
37 It's also not an excuse for the catalogue of trouble caused by celtic fans. (Mid-air riots, etc) Nor is "good old Irish high spirits" an excuse. Face facts you hypocrites.

Please Rangers, put Motherwell to the sword today. Give these smug, twisted, tormented, bitter souls some more fodder for their outrage.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:05:45
'It was the cafflik schools to blame!'

Add that to the list, just below, 'the tv screen broke down'!
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17/05/2008 09:06:32
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:07:56
#41 Who's making excuses? If any Celtic fans cause trouble, I'll condemn them, but to compare a Celtic fans having an argument with a stewardess with thousands of rangers fans chucking bottles at the police for several hours, and trying to kick one to death, is just laughable.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:08:38
Ah the old " sectarian post" claim. If in doubt, retreat to the old "Rangers fans are sectarian bigots" party line. Quelle surprise! You prove my point you sad, blinkered individual.
My post is inclusive: mix the kids together and you won't have future generations of ignorant bigots like you.
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17/05/2008 09:09:00
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:09:17
'Please Rangers, put Motherwell to the sword today. Give these smug, twisted, tormented, bitter souls some more fodder for their outrage.'

Yeah, cause if Rangers beat Motherwell, everyone will instantly forget about ranger's utter humiliation (mainly off the pitch) on Wednesday-NOT!
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:10:00
43 Catholic schools are to blame for a lot of the divisiveness in Glasgow. Not very PC, but true nonetheless.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:12:35
51 No, but I blame Catholic schools for contributing greatly to the problems between the 2 communities in Glasgow.
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 09:12:58
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Mongrels? Oh dear, me thinks you really did miss your education in morals !!

Obviously, your hatred for all things Rangers prevents you from acknowledging the tributes paid to Tommy Burns both in person and in print, by the management, staff and fans of RFC.
No excusing the rioting, I want them banned and locked up, but over 150,000 peaceful Rangers supporters showed the true meaning of supporting your team.

I hope you get better and enjoy your day.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:13:31
#49 thanks for the confirmation-catholic schools were to blame for wednesday night-lol!

I can only assume that you're anticipating a severe ar*e kicking and thus trying to get the thread pulled to avoid this!
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:14:23
50 They're all welcome at state schools where they will receive a balanced education in the religions of the world. They are all welcome in catholic schools if they are prepared to swallow the daily brainwashing of the catholic church.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:16:52
55 See my post 52. Oh dear that bombs your little theory out the water.
Besides, why should the thread be pulled? Because I have the cheek to criticise the sectarian catholic education policy. Only in Scotland. Scotland's shame indeed, blah, blah, blah.
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 09:16:56
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Anything to say about the tributes from Rangers management, staff and fans to Tommy Burns?

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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:18:41
Right, so you just brought up catholic schools so you could say that they're definitely not to blame for Wednesday riot.
thanks for the contribution!
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McGinty,

17/05/2008 09:21:38
I thought Graham Spiers summed it up well - why doesn't the chief executive quit rather than try to fix this, who would want that job, they've tried educating youngsters and anti-bigotry measures, it's not a tiny minority, it's large chunks of the crowd chanting questionable stuff, union jacks, red hands, week after week and it's been going on for more than thirty years.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:23:18
59 So the state schools are full of bigotry and badness? Typical arrogant, smug timothy.
Have a nice day. I hope one day you find out that it is actually quite refreshing and good for the soul to admit that there are problems on your own side of the fence too. Something I'm quite happy to do. Try it sonny - you'll feel better and you might even sweeten up some of that bitterness. Enjoy the rest of your day scouring the (biased, of course) media for more evidence of the thuggery of every single Rangers fan in the whole wide world. Enjoy wallowing in your own bitterness. You'd feel better in the morning, though, if you follow my advice and eat a bit of humble pie. It tastes pretty sweet.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:24:02
David Murray has condemned the rioters, why do so many rangers fans refuse to do so? surely they can see that there is no excuse for what happened on Wednesday night?
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:27:18
69 Every decent Rangers fan (ie 99.99%) condemn the violence. You just fail to acknowledge it. Can you give me some links to Rangers fans saying "oh yea. Thought the violence was great. More, please:"
Sorry but you're a t/t.
Bye.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:29:39
When are you going to condemn it then?
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:32:55
Hmmm, celtc fans appear to be actually enjoying the awful behaviour of a tiny minority on Wednesday night. Thankfully the vast majority of Rangers fans redress this.

To get this into perspective, the Blackburn Celtc game where 26 celtc fans were arrested out of around a grand total of 6,000 of them, scale that up to even the most conservative figure of 100,000 and you get 520. celtc fans were getting arrested at that game at 20 times the rate Rangers fans were getting arrested in Manchester.

You see you have to know how to evaluate the statistics but that requires some basic arithmetical education.

The same goes for the official crime statistics into sectarian crimes in Scotland. 60% of these crimes were committed against catholics while 30 odd % were committed against protestants.

Now the good cardinal came out and raged that these statistics prove that most crimes happen against catholics. Statistically these figures show that the minority are 8 times more likely to commit sectarian crimes than the majority religion.

Again you either have to question the mans education or his integrity.
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:34:08
Of course I condemn it. It's a disgrace, and I truly mean that.
My main point is that I wish smug, arrogant folks like you and PC would admit there are problems on both sides; that it's not "RFC bad, CFC good" in some kind of Orwellian chant.
I've got the strength and decency to admit that. You can't. Or can you......?!
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Silence of the Yams,

17/05/2008 09:35:00
#70. 99.99% are decent are they? It took at least a couple of thousand to do the damage that was done midweek, not hundreds. And what about the secatrian chanting? FTP and FB all over the media pre match. Disgusting, vile people. You should be ashamed.
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Braesbear,

17/05/2008 09:35:32
PC31

We know who you really are. Same old same old same old! Please ignore him as he needs a reply to his bait to give him pleasure as it is the only time he is acknowledged. Due to his insignificance nobody usually takes any notice.

Getting back to the football which is what this page is supposed to be about I suspect that the Motherwell V Rangers match will be a cracker after a slow start.

A narrow win for Rangers?
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CondoleezzaCousCous,

17/05/2008 09:36:40
72 Sad that you believe our inclusive state schools are full of bigotry, while the e4xclusivbe catholic schools are not. Says it all really. Here's some more rope for you yah moron.....keep up the good work in exposing your own hatred of all things non celtic and , dare I say, non catholic.
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 09:37:29
PC 31

You have proved that you can Copy, Cut and Paste.
You've proved that you hate Rangers.
You have proved that you are incapable of joining in a debate or even listen to other's views.

What you haven't proved is are you capable of showinfg any acknowlegement to the tributes paid by Rangers FC, management, staff and fans to the late Tommy Burns? A celtic and Scotland great.
This act of tribute proves the dignity and class of Rangers FC and fans, something that those who rioted in Manchester cannot abound to.
This act of tribute proves that despite the football and relegious divide, people of morals can live together.
This act proves the respect that Tommy Burns was held in by those you term "scum", indeed this act blows your theory away.

Yet, despite all this, you bleat and rant your bigotted agenda, and at a time when Rangers and their fans have shown solidarity at a time of loss?
You are a shameful example of all that is wrong with society in general and the West of Scotland in particular.

You are part of Scotland's shame.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:37:59
'Hmmm, celtc fans appear to be actually enjoying the awful behaviour of a tiny minority on Wednesday night.'

Wow-no sh*t Sherlock!
The reality is that the scenes on Wednesday night are the image that the rest of the world will have of Rangers for decades to come.

Are you suprised that rival fans are absolutely delighted at you so utterly humiliating yourself-particularly since 24 hours beforehand there was serious talk of this being 'the best ever season for Rangers'?

Hopefully this will be some incentive (since obviously nothing else works) for your fans not to do it again!
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:38:28
Hmmm, celtc fans appear to be actually enjoying the awful behaviour of a tiny minority on Wednesday night. Thankfully the vast majority of Rangers fans redress this.

To get this into perspective, the Blackburn Celtc game where 26 celtc fans were arrested out of around a grand total of 6,000 of them, scale that up to even the most conservative figure of 100,000 and you get 520. celtc fans were getting arrested at that game at 20 times the rate Rangers fans were getting arrested in Manchester.

You see you have to know how to evaluate the statistics but that requires some basic arithmetical education.

The same goes for the official crime statistics into sectarian crimes in Scotland. 60% of these crimes were committed against catholics while 30 odd % were committed against protestants.

Now the good cardinal came out and raged that these statistics prove that most crimes happen against catholics. Statistically these figures show that the minority are 8 times more likely to commit sectarian crimes than the majority religion.

Again you either have to question the mans education or his integrity.
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:41:00
82, Just sums up how despicable and bitter your mob really are. Perhaps as part of the message to the good people of Manchester we could attach your comments to show the celtc support enjoyed watching their city being wrecked by a few hundred morons, or that you and your fellow celtc fans watched in glee while that cop was set upon in the street.

How the hell can any human being say they enjoyed any of that.

You're worse than the scum who rioted in Manchester.
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/05/2008 09:42:57
PC 31 whoever you are, your rants are completely over the top. There were over 100,000 Rangers fans in Manchester, inluding myself, and we all behaved well. Why let a few hundred thugs spoil it for the rest. Using your logic then the celtic fans who have been arrested over the past couple of years in europe automatically stain the character of every celtic fan. What absolute nonsense. Unfortunately this element in Manchester has caused everything good about this season to be overshadowed. Please look beyond your hatred of everything blue and recognise that most of us are fairly decent human beings.
Have a nice day............
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:43:35
#85 I think you should send my comments to that police your goons tried to kill. I'm sure he'll really give a t0ss!
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Hately, Ally and Mo.,

17/05/2008 09:43:45
PC 31

Still no comment on the tributes to Tommy Burns?

No class, no dignity, no morals.

Sure you weren't in Manchester with the rioters?
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:45:13
Fan of Gerry. Ignore these morons. Unlike the vast majority of Rangers fans, these idiots actually enjoyed the violence on Wednesday night. They will have sat there hoping for a murder, more stabbing, more cops put into hospital because they're hatred of us overcomes any decency they might possess.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:46:46
The decency I have is in not wanting to riot, not wanting to attack policemen or medical staff-actions; not bullsh*t words.
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:48:05
87 no mate. Today you have truly shown yourself up here today for what you are. The lowest of the low. To actually admit you enjoyed watching the violence against human beings and presumably hoped it would get worse says far more about you than any decent Rangers fan who condemned the actions of the minority.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:49:46
'You're worse than the scum who rioted in Manchester.'

Seriously-you really think that?
So you think that gently mocking you on a message board is WORSE than trying to kick a policeman to death?

odd set of morals you have, mate.
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:50:04
90, and that same decency was shown by 150,000 Rangers fans who did not riot yet you choose to focus on a tiny minority of scum bags who did. You admitted you enjoyed the violence, you enjoyed the cop being chased then beaten. What kind of animal enjoys something like that?
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:52:17
'What kind of animal enjoys something like that?'

er..a rangers fan doing it?
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:53:24
92, you said you enjoyed it mate, your words.

I deplore the scum bags who did this. I want each and every one of them jailed. They are not welcome at my club.

The forum I belong to never spoke about the match after the game, everyone, every single one was angry about the actions of those morons.

Unfortunately celtc fans like you appear unable, or more likely, unwilling to grasp the fact that not every Rangers fans is violent or bigoted.

I condemn these morons like every other person did on the forum I belong to.

% wise 99% behaved impeccably, why should they suffer for the actions of a minority of mindless jakies?
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 09:54:37
#94, no point trying to revise history. Your words are written and there for all to see.

Yes the scum probably did enjoy doing it but what do you call someone who enjoyed watching it?

My last words on this issue.
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John H,

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Nobody but nobody should have been surprised by events on Wednesday. The conduct of Rangers fans beggers belief. I myself recently say a bus load exit the vehicle right in front of a church, a protestant one at that and proceed to urinate on the pavement.
History has shown from long ago that behavior of the bad sort comes easy to them.
The club can say that they have tried to better the situation but wheres the evidence. Still playing the same old flute music so symbolic with bigotry and intolerance.
David Murray could and should pull the plug on the public address system before the authorities pull the plug on Rangers.
Scotland's disgrace.
No Glasgow Rangers are the disgrace. As a club they are a festering wound on the game in Europe. The chances of them moving to another league is now zero.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 09:59:52
I deplore the scum bags who did this. I want each and every one of them jailed. '

Well at least we agree on something. Such outright condemnations have been rare from rangers fans-more frequent have been a list of excuses. Seemingly you are now trying to blame me for these events-which I find a bit baffling!

Rangers FC and every rangers fan have now to take responsibility and not try to blame anyone else for what happened on Wednesday night,and find a solution to their problem, or you can be sure that they will suffer similar humiliations in the future.
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The best-Rangers,

17/05/2008 10:04:22
102 I'm not blaming you and you're not so unintelligent as to mistake that.

I'm saying I deplore the fact that you admitted enjoying the events unfolding.

You really should take a long hard look in the mirror.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 10:05:04
'% wise 99% behaved impeccably, why should they suffer for the actions of a minority of mindless jakies?'

Why should the russian fan who was stabbed, or the policeman who was attacked, or all the people who had their cars smashed up,or the people of Manchester who had their city trashed, have to suffer this supposed 'minority' just because the rest are 'well behaved'?
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 10:09:23
#104 Thought that was you last words on the issue? Obviously not.
It's just silly to say that anyone enjoyed watching that policeman being beaten up or any of the other violence that took place, I don't know why you are pursuing that line of argument.

I have to admit that I have taken some pleasure in reading headlines such as 'Scotland's shame' and 'Rangers fans humiliation' in relation to Wednesday night's events in the last few days. I don't think there's much wrong with that.
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/05/2008 10:17:23
Last word on this. I'm particularly sad that celtic fans have derived some sort of 'pleasure' from the events of a minority in Manchester. I'm afraid it says more about you than it does the scum who disgraced the Rangers on wednesday. Alot of what has been said has been twisted to give a very distorted view of actual events. I do not have the time or inclination to go into this any more. I'm afraid the whole thing just sickens me especially at a time when Tommy Burns has just passes away. Isn't there more to be getting on with.
Have a nice day.
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Richardinho,

17/05/2008 10:19:51
two of you seem to think I've done something wrong here. Obviously you have a bit of a bee in your bunnet about it. feel free to explain yourself.
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Chuckle Bhoy,

17/05/2008 10:28:48
I seem to remember a Scottish journo sending off a clip to UEFA of 10 to 15 Celts singing an offensive add on in Barcelona.
Multiply that by a couple 1000 and take a look at this in Manchester lunchtime on wednesday.

Im presuming alot of these vids will be sent to UEFA from our friends in the Scottish media????

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIYu62arFA

Aye right
Proud to be a bear..
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Tim Malloy...,

17/05/2008 10:33:18
PC 31

have you caught a dirty one
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Brother Walfrid,

17/05/2008 10:38:04
The figure of 200 being involved in the riots is a nonsense.
There were more than that involved in one incident alone...just before they floored that police officer , several hundred possibly as much as a thousand chased a handful of police officers down that street.

At the same time as that incident was going on, other disturbances were kicking off in other parts of the city , each involving hundreds of thugs.

The police officer who narrowly escaped with his life actually stated that the number involved was more like "2,000" , TEN TIMES the figure which Bainochio has seized upon.

But in any case, according to Bainochio, they weren't Rangers fans anyway.
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Tim Malloy...,

17/05/2008 10:38:51
Last week when Alex Salmond urged Manchester City Council to lay it all on for the Rangers fans - saying "put up big screens" I called his suggestion idiotic and tagged Salmond a small time politician. My post was pulled.

Lat week I predicted the Manchester riot would happen just as I predicted Zenit would win by a couple. Again I was ridiculed and several posts were pulled.

Do the scottish media and some so called football fans have a problem with someone pointing out serious problems and seeing the consequences ahead of the game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but sometimes foresight should be considered instead of just blindly ignoring it.
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Silence of the Yams,

17/05/2008 10:40:38
RFC: Vile club, vile fans, vile behaviour...vile!
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I-Mac,

17/05/2008 10:47:00
"Playing the Rule Britannia, Dambusters and the whole Union Flag thing etc is surely just inviting the BNP element." (#112)

I guess the Last Night Of The Proms should be banned, eh?

"Can RFC not do something about the evil songs that disrespect the dead - like Jock Stein OBE and Bobby Sands MP?" (#112)

You have a point about Stein. Rangers have agreed a low-key strategy to tackle it with Celtic and the Stein family - and it has been falling away. Not sure how much respect that august parliamentarian "Bobby Sands MP" deserves.
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