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McGhee faces hostile opener at Tynecastle



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Published Date: 17 June 2008
By Alan Pattullo
INTRIGUE is assured from the opening day of the Clydesdale Bank Premier League campaign on Saturday 9 August after the 2008-09 league fixtures were announced yesterday.
Celtic begin the defence of their title with a home match against St Mirren on Sunday 10 August, but a day prior to this sees Mark McGhee take his seat in a Tynecastle dugout. That it will not be the home one may mean a hot reception awaits him fr
om Hearts supporters.

The Motherwell manager was on the steps of a Lithuania-bound plane heading for talks with Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov, when he turned back to agree an improved contract at Fir Park.

"By then (the opening day] Hearts will have a new manager and they will be looking forward to the new season," he said.

Promoted Hamilton must wait until the Monday night before launching their first SPL campaign with a home match against Dundee United, to be shown live on television. Falkirk and Rangers get the SPL campaign underway in another game to be broadcast live and which kicks-off at 12.30pm on the first Saturday of the season.

The SPL made good their promise not to schedule any Old Firm fixtures for directly before or after Scotland international matches. The first such game will take place on 30 August at Parkhead. The first Edinburgh derby is scheduled for 18 October at Easter Road, while the New Year fixture will be held at Tynecastle on 3 January.

For full SPL and SFL fixtures, grab a copy of today's issue of The Scotsman.







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  • Last Updated: 16 June 2008 11:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: SPL title race
 
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17/06/2008 01:27:44
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

17/06/2008 02:19:09
#1 "the less i say about hearts the better"

Having had your inane ramblings inflicted on me while searching for a decent discussion about the affairs of Hearts on here, I think the less you say full stop would be even better than that.
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shugmccall,

redondo beach ca 17/06/2008 04:37:17
Whats left of Hearts support should direct any abuse toward Romanov.McGhee didnt dismantle what was at the time,a serious threat to the Old Firm.Again the SPL has become a 2 horse race.Shug.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 07:27:36
#1. Finally you get it, less said the better as OF bigoted ramblings not really wanted on East Coast football related threads.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 17/06/2008 08:06:40
I can't understand why this reporter would think McGhee would have "hostility" meeted out to him.
He's complimented the offer Romanov made to him, and I have never heard him bad mouth us.
All he did, was have a change of heart and stay at the club, where he acheived so much.
In this most crucial of seasons, I think Hearts fans will be saving their rancour, for other possibilities.
I know I am!
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Gdgy,

17/06/2008 08:18:54
"McGhee faces hostile opener at Tynecastle"

Only from the deluded fans.....the team won't do anything as useful as being hostile
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It's me!,

17/06/2008 08:41:23
Why should McGhee receive a hostile reception? This is only a cheap headline. Is the Scotsman now competing with the Sun for the cheapest shot? You will doing a monkey head picture of Romanov next.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 08:44:35
It's a decent opener for us.

A chance of winning and I really cannot stand Murderwell.

All in all...bring it on (with a manager in place etc etctetc)
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Darwin's Shoe,

17/06/2008 08:47:58
#7 i think you will find Weiss said he would let Hearts know yesterday, not you!

Mcghee will not get a hostile reception at tynecastle, nobody cares about it anymore, we are big enough to move on and support whover the new manager is.

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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 08:55:30
#11 I actually agree with your comment re the fans groups but maybe you'd like to expand further on the following:

"Missing millions.Unaccounted for debt.
Dodgy transfer deals.
Asset stripping in full flow.
Cash flow problems.
Fans told to shut up or else."

I am particularly keen to hear from any Hearts fans who have ben told to 'shut up or else'.

If you feel you can back up your claims then may I suggest you present your findings to The Scotsman and UEFA?
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Northern Hibby.,

17/06/2008 09:09:31
#8 Agree with a Hearts fan [?]. Must be close season. But you are indeed correct. Padding out column inches with spurious guff. A home tie on the opening day is ok. That it is neither against the O/F nor your city rivals makes it even better. There is always the slant that the jambos could be up for showing McGhee what he is missing?
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 09:29:35
#14

Tommy: I totally agree with you about the supporters' groups and they should be more pro-active and "ready" for action. But there is still a significant number of Hearts fans who believe, rightly or wrongly, that Vlad will get it right.

But you still need to back up the following:

Missing millions.Unaccounted for debt.
Dodgy transfer deals.
Asset stripping in full flow.
Cash flow problems.
Fans told to shut up or else

REALLY keen to hear about the last one in particular.

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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 09:31:41
#15

No I don't. I am extremely unhappy with the way Vlad is running this club but you make some serious accusations against him that should be brought to the attention of both the footballing authorities and the police.

Enlighten me.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 09:36:31
Tommy, when will you get it into your quite splendidly thick skull that no debt is unaccounted for?

Why do you keep moaning on about free speech and then abuse that right by spouting unsubstantiated rubbish and just ignoring any genuine opportunity to prove you're right?

Maybe because you haven't got the faintest clue what you're on about?
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We love fitba,

google! 17/06/2008 09:45:57
I wouldn't be surprised at all if McGhee gets abuse from the Jambos. Vlad's smoke'n'mirrors routine is still fooling enough of the people enough of the time... as is witnessed on here on a daily basis.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 09:49:19
OK, as he's still not responding to the many, many requests to provide some evidence to these libellous comments, I'll remind TT of a small but significant accounting practice which is laid down in statute.

If accounts have been audited (as the Hearts accounts have) by an independent auditor (as the Hearts accounts have) and have been 'passed' (technically the Auditors did have a qualifying comment, in that the turnover/expenditure structure in place at the time was not sustainable over the medium-to-long term, but that was it), then they are by definition "a true and fair" picture of the finances at that time.

That means that every penny of income and expenditure has been accounted for. If it hadn't been, the Auditors are obliged by law to point that out in the qualifying notes to their Audit report.

Again Tommy, that means every penny has been accounted for, so just stop talking such p!sh please, you're depressing.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 09:52:36
#22 Thank you for putting that in plain(ish) English.

The accounts may show poor financial decisions but dodgy dealings? Asset stripping?

Were there concerns at dodgy transfer dealings when we got Janny, Fyssas, Rudi, Brellier or is it only when it weakens the team?

Any fans been threatened?
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 09:59:18
Tommy: can you provide an example relating to this:

"Dodgy transfer deals"

I don't mean you to say 'look at the accounts', I mean you to name the player and what happened.

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Darwin's Shoe,

17/06/2008 10:22:15
tommy f**k of and don't bother us again you really are an annoying arsewipe...get a life
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Bemused and above it all,

17/06/2008 10:23:17
I thought #11 was talking about rangers!

On the subject of the story, dont really think McGhee will get a hard time, most fans realise that it will be difficult to attract a manager from anywhere other than eastern europe under the romanov stewardship.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 10:27:41
Read the accounts you advise others to read.

That will allow you to (I'll put it in plain english and Riley speak for the hard of thinking)

SEE THAT EVERY PENNY IS ACCOUNTED FOR. THAT IS THE POINT OF A SET OF AUDITED ACCOUNTS.

Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? Vlad is an ar$e, can't stand the contemptuous little sh!t for the way he's treated the club and its supporters. However, no matter how poor his decisions are, he has other business interests besides Hearts. His ambitions to set up a UK-licensed bank would not be helped by any criminal proceedings for issuing false accounts (which, by the way, would also bring down the Auditors). Just not going to happen.

But you just keep living in your wee dream world if it keeps you happy. You haven't got a clue what you're on about, really you don't.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:28:18
#25 The debt rose because we bought in good players and paid them fortunes. We are still paying too much in wages.

It was a gamble and we failed.

Bednar's transfer will be dealt with in next year's accounts from what I understand - correct me if i'm wrong.

We are selling to get us back to where we were 3 years ago. Frustrating and brutal but the only option now.

You will know that Sheriff Officers are often called in, however very few cases end up in the media via chat forums like with Hearts. Have we been physically UNABLE to meet a debt?

I'll keep saying it, Tommy: I don't like what is happening to us either but you're making allegations that SHOULD end up with Vlad doing time....maybe you should back them up with examples.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:30:05
#25

Gave this one it's own post:

"Why would the media report Hearts fans being urged to be silent if it didn't happen?"

Is this part of your free speech nonsense? I have NEVER heard of Hearts fans being urged to remain silent. When did this happen and why would we agree to it?

The only silence that has been bought is from ex-employees.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 10:31:17
Actually Tommy, as you seem to know more than me (10+ years of experience at managerial level in financial services, qualified Chartered Banker), could you point out where in the accounts you keep referring to it shows "asset stripping that you deny is going on".

Just one single shred of evidence to support just one of your claims would be great, thanks. But you've never yet produced one shred of evidence other than "look at the accounts", which, going by your lack of a clue you wouldn't even know how to read anyway.

Go on, prove yourself right and I'll proclaim you the new messiah. Just one piece of evidence.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:33:41
Tommy: as for the Supporters Groups, I agree they need to get more involved and they should be trying to capture the feelings of ALL Hearts fans to form a coherent campaign, if that is the desired action.

I'm going to say something which I hate to see but here goes: IF YOU WANT THE SUPPORTERS GROUPS TO BECOME MORE ORGANISED THEN GET INVOLVED AND DO IT
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 10:34:30
Sorry for hijacking the thread folks, but I cannot stand doom-mongers rabitting on about something they so clearly can't comprehend.

Getting the distinct impression that TT is not a Jambo at all but another Piltonite on the windup.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 10:36:03
Just found this from the Guardian yesterday, for all the Laptop Loyal that love hanging around here so much and defending their wonderful club:

"The first act on stage lasted only 20 minutes out of the 45 minutes scheduled because they were pelted with cans and coins. Fans jumped over the security barrier and climbed on top of the sales unit. Large numbers of people were jumping up and down on the roof and urin@ting on top of the unit. Although the police were called the sheer numbers surrounding them meant there was little they could do" - no, not an account of the weekend's Download festival, but Uefa's official report into the pre-match Euro Vase final violence in Manchester's Piccadilly Gardens.
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Spencer's Boy,

17/06/2008 10:37:51
TommyTommy,

I live in fear of repeating myself day after day after day with you.

May I refer you to post #22 above and my post of yesterday which you chose to ignore.

Do you have any any hard evidence to substantuate your claims that Vladimir Romanov has personally benefited from the sale of any assets owned by Hearts of Midlothian Football Club?

That is the potentially slanderous claims that you have made. Can you provide any evidence???

By evidence I don't mean incoherant ramblings about debt at £40m and what did it buy. The debt has risen due to operating losses being funded through increased debt provision amongst other costs.

I have long suspected that you are accutely lacking in intelligence. Usually in such cases people will be aware of their limitations and not make ridiculous remarks that only serve to highlight their stupidity. You however are a completely different article altogether. You and Riley spend an inordinate amount of time talking nonsense about a team that you don't even support.

The question is - Can you prove that Romanov has personally benefited directly from any assets sold by HMFC....????

Please answer the question.
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17/06/2008 10:51:05
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:52:52
#38 Vic, there is no problem with TT posting on here and the world needs guys like him to uncover dark forces.

Now if he would just back it up with FACTS rather than hobo-esque figures.....
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GrahamL,

17/06/2008 10:54:03
TT - you actually do have a valid point about the Supporters Trust and other supposed fans groups. The fans do need to know whats going on in the club, and it should be these guys who make the noise and go and do something about it. I find their silence very, very, disappointing. I don't know if they all enjoyed their trip to Lithuania last year so much that they don't want to rock the boat and jepoardise a return visit or what, but the way the club is being run is not satisfactory and one of these groups should stand up and demand a change. But they say nothing. At all. In fact, the Supporters Trusts main comments in the last year have been along the lines of "buy your season tickets" and "Pat Munro shouldn't buy the club".
If I was a paranoid lunatic, I'd suggest that Vlad has replaced Derek Watson with a robot programmed to do his bidding. I'm not a paranoid lunatic though.

Oh, and give the accounts stuff a rest. You can't prove anything you say, we can't disprove it. All we know is that the auditors signed off the accounts so everything is legal. Whether it's all in Hearts best interests? Only time will tell. And I still believe that you can't get the full picture of the strength or otherwise just looking at the Hearts accounts, you need to look at all Vlads business. And understand how they fit together. And his plans. And you don't. And I don't. And no-one here does.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:54:14
#37 Oh THAT! A throwaway line by a stupid boy out of his depth.

There is NO effort to silence Hearts fans.

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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:55:49
TT: please provide an example of a dodgy transfer.

Facts, not rumour, please.

You hinted the Bednar transfer was dodgy.....tell me more.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 10:56:07
Tommy, you're talking out of your ar$e. You call that evidence?

You're quite obviously either very, very stupid or very, very stubborn. Or both.

Please detail what sections of the accounts concern you rather than just saying "what did it buy". What it bought is laid out, in some detail, in the accounts. Which if you ever bothered to read them you would already know.

Every thing you say on here just undermines you even further. You won't respond to perfectly reasonable requests to provide even the slightest shred of evidence to back up your claims, because there isn't any.

And don't harp on about free speech again - if you feel able to make these claims, you should be obliged to provide some substantiation. That's one of the obligations that come with the right to free speech.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 10:57:04
#40

Great post.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 11:02:42
"Hello, I'm Tommy Tommy"

Hi Tommy, can you prove you're Tommy?

"To but, look, there's no evidence to prove I'm not Tommy. Which means it must be true, eh?"

Divine logic there Thomas, simply divine. You respond to any request for evidence by asking for proof that there isn't evidence.

Lunatic.
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 11:03:14
#45 Well I know that Sheffield United fan got into bother for making accusations on a forum.

TT seems to think we all love Vlad but that is not the case. However you cannot go throwing about random comments like he is without backing it up. It's simple.
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Spencer's Boy,

17/06/2008 11:07:32
Roscoe P Coltrane/Victor,

I am not sure why we are bothering here. TommyTommy is getting under my skin here in a big way. That admission alone will only serve to make him worse I guess but I am past caring.

He and Riley are the scurge of this forum which is being hijacked with the agenda of two people.

The free speech that harp on about day after day is not a problem. However making completely slanderous comments even in ignorance about matters they don't understand or furthermore certainly cant substantuate is an absolute disgrace.

Now is surely the time to ban both TommyTommy and Riley or whatever he is calling himself this morning, in order to retain some form of order on this forum.

This platform is for the enjoyment of everyone who wishes to make their views known as long as they are inoffensive etc. Quite why this has been allowed to drift along for so long is frankly beyond me.

Enough is surely enough now though.
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17/06/2008 11:12:27
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Lenny,

17/06/2008 11:13:03
He keeps posting becouse you all keep replying to him! He would soon get bored if you ignored him.
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17/06/2008 11:13:49
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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 11:15:36
#50 Doesn't work with you.

xxx

Lenny, he is making some interesting accusations and all we are doing is giving him the chance to back them up. If we didn;t reply and let him just post then we would be accused of being deluded Jambos with our heads in the sand.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 11:25:19
Sorry guys, I just don't have the willpower to 'blank the plank' most days, the guff they come up with. I know it's childish but I love shooting holes in their arguments and watching them completely disregard it!

Incidentally, did Riley ever respond yesterday on what he thought a Luddite was? Found that quite funny as the irony is that a Luddite wouldn't be on a computer at all, never mind a web forum. Once again Riley's complete lack of knowledge around what he spraffs is self-evident!

But at least he can take comfort in the fact he's a millionaire international playboy (and the world's fastest golfer).
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Lenny,

17/06/2008 11:26:21
Indy Rep Kid

From an outsider looking in, he is basically saying the same stuff every day. None of which he can back up. Only reason I say is that it totally cloggs up the forum and makes it incredibly boring for anyone else reading.


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Indy Rep Kid,

17/06/2008 11:29:47
#53

TT, there is a huge difference between that post and the following - i've added comments for you.

No manager (we have had a manager - you just didn't like Frail and probably won't like Weiss/Thor/Whoever. That's your choice)

No players (Banks, Neilson, Wallace, Berra, Karipidis, Miko, Driver, Larry, Eggert, Nade etc etc. - you mean 'No Players that you consider good enough. That's your opinion)

No money (Did I miss the article where it says players/staff have not been paid?)

No communication (Never understood this - either Vlad says too much or not enough. We communicated our bid for McGhee but why should our search for a new boss be publicly minuted for your benefit. They will communicate when there is something to communicate)

Absent owner (He is not missing. He is in Lith. Does he NEED to be here 24/7? Do you WANT him to be? The whole point is that we want him to butt out and run the business)

Missing millions.Unaccounted for debt.
Dodgy transfer deals.
Asset stripping in full flow.
Cash flow problems.

(These 4 are all your opinion based on your interpretaion of the club's accounts and the performance of Roman Romanov who, we all know, is a disgrace and out of his depth. There is no evidence to suggest any wrong-doing though)

Fans told to shut up or else. (I'll find the article!)


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17/06/2008 11:30:17
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 11:37:13
So which is it Tommy, stupid or stubborn?

Judging by your laughably feeble attempts at 'evidence' in 53, I'd say the former.

The scotsman article clearly demonstrates that Romanov tried to silence dissent.
That's Romanov Jnr, the clueless figurehead for the club speaking individually, not on behalf of the club.

The AGM asked Romanov to account for the debt.He couldn't answer the question.
Because he's so far removed from the day to day operations of Hearts he has less of a clue than you do.

The demands for cash from edinburgh businesses is known and it is in the media.
Because they know in the current media environment they'll get coverage for their own business by complaining. Late payment of invoices is common across business of all sizes, as pointed out many times on these threads.

The Kaunas rent is not specified.
What rent? If you mean loan payments, then yes it is specified, in the accounts you haven't read (more specifically in the notes to the accounts attached to the P&L)

Asset stripping goes on before your eyes.
Again you just keep saying this without providing a single shred of evidence. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true (the moon is made of cheese, the moon is made of cheese, the moon is made of cheese...)

Transfer deals are not transparent.
Qualify 'transparent' - all transfer deals for the accounting period are covered off in the accounts for the accounting period.

Nothing illegal in any of these factual statements. They are not factual statements until you can back them up with facts. Making a statement about the financial probity or otherwise of an individual in the public domain without evidence to back it up isn't illegal either, but would be dealt with through the Civil courts as Defamation of Character under Scottish law.

Some people dont like hearing these comments but thats too bad.
Don't mind hearing them at all Tommy, just asking you to back them up with something, anything that appro
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Lenny,

17/06/2008 11:40:00
TommyTommy

Reading the Beano would be a step up from your posts dude.

What worries me is I assume we support the same team!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 11:48:53
#59 - so it was censored and he obviously knew how funny he was being, calling people on a web forum Luddites?

Or was it yet another big word he's picked up from his brother at high school and doesn't understand the meaning of but wants to use as it makes him seem pure clever an' 'at?
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

17/06/2008 11:52:45
Again apologies all, no more responses to Luddites today.
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