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Familiar tale as Romanov's Belarus club in wages row



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Published Date: 12 December 2008
FURTHER evidence of the financial troubles facing Vladimir Romanov's Ukio Bankas Investment Group has emanated from the unlikely source of Vycheslav Hleb.



The Belarusian forward, currently playing for MTZ-Ripo in his homeland, has revealed that some staff at the club have not been paid for six months. Ripo, along with FBK Kaunas in Lithuania, receive the vast majority of their income from Roma
nov's companies.

Such news will be worryingly familiar for followers and employees of Hearts. The Tynecastle outfit, who have Ubig as their parent company, have twice failed to pay players on time this season. High earners at the Gorgie club also recently had to defer weekly salary payments amid concerns over Ubig's cash flow. Such matters, it would seem, are impacting across Romanov's stable.

"The financial crisis is a simply awful thing," said Hleb to Belarusian website Esport.by. "Some guys have families, children, and they are not given their pay.

"What could be said about the medical personnel and people who are working for the team? They haven't seen money for half a year. It must be the influence of the financial crisis. But so, measures must be taken."

Hleb, ironically, has frequently been linked with a move to Hearts. The 25-year-old, whose brother Alexander currently plays for Barcelona following a successful spell at Arsenal, trained in Edinburgh in 2006 but no permanent move was forthcoming.

Alexander criticised Romanov earlier this year, saying: "I don't understand Mr Romanov. My brother plays for his team but he wants to leave and Romanov won't let him. He wants big money for him and I don't understand it."

Such frustrations are apparently still prominent with Vycheslav, who has made it clear he wants a transfer from Ripo. "The greatest mistake is that I have returned to Belarus at all," he said, before aiming what could be interpreted as a veiled criticism at Romanov. "I tried to leave every year, but I didn't succeed. Something or somebody impeded me in that.

"I talked to the leadership of the club, and we have come to a decision that they are not interested in my services any more. And I do not have a wish to stay either.

"There are no concrete plans. I would like to join a team which is fighting for something and challenging.

"It is a decided question that I'm leaving Belarus.

"The main thing is for the leadership of MTZ-Ripo to think not only about their interests, but about interests of a player as well."

The latest test of whether UBIG are willing, or able, to pay Hearts' players their weekly wage arrives today, when salaries for the past seven days are due to hit their bank accounts

There was at least some good news for Ukio Bankas yesterday, though, after posting £21.8 million profits in their latest results.

For the first 11 months of 2008, the Lithuanian company's gains have improved by 21.3 per cent during the same trading period last year. In October, the bank enjoyed nine-month profits of £20million, an increase of 36 per cent on 2007.

Ukio Bankas is also celebrating being named Fastest Growing Company of the Year in an awards ceremony organised by the Lithuanian Business Employers' Confederation.





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  • Last Updated: 11 December 2008 11:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Jon Bon Jovi,

12/12/2008 01:08:58
cue all the deluded yams moaning about the hootsman writing non-relevant info about romanov....

tick tock....
2

Taxi for Brellier,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 01:17:42
C'mon Berra.step forward again soon and tell us you ain't worried............
3

Cammy,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 01:18:43
So this is this weeks Hearts story. Apparently Hearts have money worries, what a shocker...

The only real question it raises is why it took two people to write it?.
4

Daillyman,

12/12/2008 01:37:28
3

It's an Edinburgh paper what did you expect?

bto the Hearts need you.lol
5

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne, scratching my noodle... 12/12/2008 01:59:21
There was at least some good news for Ukio Bankas yesterday, though, after posting £21.8 million profits in their latest results.

I found that a very interesting little paragraph, so had a wee look on the Vilnius stock exchange and found that since Jan 08, the 11 months this talks about, Ukio Bankas has lost over 70% of its stock value.

As I'm no expert on these things, and there are many out there on the site that seem to know an awful lot about finance, would anyone care to tell me how that works? How can they make 21 million profit when they are worth 70%less now than they were at teh start of the year?

Honest question... Honestly...
6

Daillyman,

12/12/2008 02:20:07
5

No finance expert either, but in football terms I think the HMFC must sell players in the next transfer window to stay solvent, and I hope things do work out for them.
7

Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/12/2008 06:13:14
Posting 21.8 mil profit in banking terms is pretty insignificant when you look at market cap and the monthly debt payment the bank has committed to (60 mil in November). The problem is less what UKIOS is all about and more about the state of the financial world in the Balkan states in general. More than 80% of Banks in Lithuania are owned by Swedish banks and this figure is increasing quite rapidly. Lack of governmental assistance in an economy that hit a real recession before the rest of the world did is hurting banks very badly. There is absolutely no liquidity in an economy that lost 4.5% of it's value over the last few months. Currently Ukios stock trading at 0.67 Euros down from 4.33 Euros on he 27th Feb 2008. Romanov himself is not necessarily helping the cause as he has created an enemy or two that he probably wishes he didn't have.....one of them the largest Oligarch in Russia. Lithuanian banks in general have been downgraded significantly by Fitch, S&P and Moodys. Banks are probably sitting ducks for foreign banks.....very interesting scenario potentially. At such a low share price the Swedish banks in particular are active in this regard. To the best of my knoweldge, no one is looking at Ukios... the seventh largest bank in Lithuania. These are the facts and what they mean for Heart of Midlothian Football Club is hard to say, but it does not instill a lot of hope or confidence. This is a very serious time for financial institutions and having a debt-ridden football club or two on your books when your own mortgage is at risk is not something most shareholders in a conventional banking system would be too pleased about. Look at a ot of the large and respectable development companies in the USA that were financed by Lehman Bros for example......they are now gone. No one else would take on their debt. This is the issue Hearts could very well face imminently.
8

Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/12/2008 06:15:22
sorry for the long post!
9

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12/12/2008 07:17:44
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UrbanFox,

12/12/2008 07:37:31
Bermuda Hibby is quite right. The reported "profit" is irrelevant. What matters is cash, debt and falling asset values. Moronov cant afford Hearts anymore.
11

Pistol Pete,

12/12/2008 08:09:19
What happens when Romanov eventually steps out?
Jambo's?
This will happen and would be interested in your comments to this.
12

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 08:11:57
#10 - and they say the Scottish education system is the best in the world. Must have missed poor Pete by.

I posted 6 months ago and warned about this and was told how solid with great results this bank was, that they were resilient to US mortgage situation that caused global banking crisis etc.

The fact that their football cubs are not being paid shows they no longer care to hide lack of commitment and the January sale may be deeper than many think.

Csaba should get some clarity from Romanov now and advise what he gets told.

13

Scoop in the City,

12/12/2008 08:25:33
First 12 post - none from a Jambo. It's flattering that everyone else is so concerned about us. The curr@nts like it because it takes the spotlight off their financial difficulties and the hoofballers see it as the only way they'll ever get above us.
14

Pistol Pete,

12/12/2008 08:38:23
#15 This is not an answer. This site is for debate I thought and I'm happy if Jambo's want to discuss other teams issues. I do not want you to go out of business but would like your views of when Vlad goes off, which he will. So what is the long term plan?
15

Bigwull,

edinburgh 12/12/2008 08:46:56
I received a call from the Club today to help allay any fears we have over the current “Financial state of HMFC” according to recent media articles.
Here is a brief summary of that call.

Whilst the Club is having to tighten its belt as are most businesses in the current financial climate, there is no need for any concerns over the future of Heart of Midlothian FC. HMFC continue to work with all their clients and meet agreement over bills etc. Despite some of the recent short term focused headlines, the Clubs long term strategy of moving towards profitability is very much on track. The evidence of this will be shown in the next set of financial results to be released by the club early next year.
There will be no Fire Sale of players in the upcoming transfer window. Any player leaving the club will only be allowed to do so if the deal is right for HMFC. No one will be let go on the cheap, which is one criticism you cannot point at Mr Romanov.
Csaba Laslo has not been told he cannot bring payers in during January. However he is aware and agreeable that we have to move on a certain amount of squad players.
I was also asked to pass on that at all levels, the Club is extremely grateful to all those supporters who continue to turn up in numbers at matches to support their team in what they know is a tough economic climate.

Please feel free to pass this onto your members.
Read it and weep "hobosman"
16

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

12/12/2008 08:53:21
#17 Pistol Pete and others - Romanov first and foremost will protect his investments. He would look for a buyer like any club owner bailing out. Like when Tom Farmer eventually heads for the hills. If no-one buys the business is liquidated. Either way - if he does it now he loses a LOT of money. So my money os on cost-cutting which, correct me if I'm wrong, most people have been advocating anyhow, even before the credit crunch! So having a go at Hearts for this now is a little strange.

I'm sick of the press speculation that almost always contradicts itself, often in the same story - this one being a prime example. Is Ukio Bankas in financial difficulties or not?
17

Iain Bhern,

12/12/2008 09:06:48
#18, fast rewind about 18 months. "What! no Woolworth are not going out of business. Everything is on track to take the company into profitability", or words to that effect.

Of course the club is grateful to the supporters who continue to turn up. We've been getting told for two years that Tynecastle is a virtual sell out through season tickets alone so they already have your money!
18

CBJambo,

12/12/2008 09:18:44
To at least the first dozen posters, maybe more...

Glad the current crisis at Hearts gives a bunch of old fannys like you lot something to gloat about. It appears to be the case that UBIG and UKIO have been hit by the credit crunch very badly... time to tighten the belts all over the world... and time for Hearts to sell their prized players... no surprise there at all.

Personally I am sorry it has come to this where we lose our best players, but if it keeps the club alive then that is the most important thing... no one is immune from the financial meltdown... and I predict that a lot of other football clubs will suffer too.

Strange how it takes this joke of a newspaper 2 worthless journalists to write another investigative piece on Romanov's business empire... yet we have NEVER had any real journalistic expose on the farce that is the OF bias, the useless body that is the SFA or the farce that is the spl governing body.

This paper is as bad as the red tops of the west... I wouldn't wipe my @rse with it... and the to$$ers from as far as Melbourne to Hamilton that love to comment on Hearts troubles on this site can all go to hell in handcart for all I care.

Bunch o f u d s the lot of you, go get a job.
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12/12/2008 09:20:03
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Iain Bhern,

12/12/2008 09:25:42
#22 aye and Airdrie will probably win!
21

esexjambo,

12/12/2008 09:32:50
Ukio Bankas are just suffering because the whole Baltic economy is being hit very hard by the credit crunch, hence why the banks are performing so badly, Ukio Bankas relatively is doing ok, but still struggling massively hence the dropping share price. The falling of the credit rating is a general thing happening to most companies, it's now safer to buy debt in mcdonalds than the UK for example.

ALso #7 - not sure where your data comes from, but ukio bankas doesn't trade in euros mate.
22

carrottop,

Dumfries 12/12/2008 09:36:50
Don't see what all the fuss is about, the worst case scenario is that Vlad will have to offload Hearts at a very low price. Do you honestly think Hearts (and Hibs) dont have a great future, fastest growing population area in Scotland, the potential is enormous and would expect suitors (plural) to be easily found and maybe to the benefit of Hearts as a club.

Vlad is not far off the mark to build up the stadium to accommodate the swelling population enabling a bigger active fan base and greater cash flow. So doomsters have a think about the big picture before you make a little post.
23

Jambo-ree,

12/12/2008 09:47:25
Hleb the Younger sounds like a guy with an axe to grind so I'd take any of his utterances with a pinch of salt. It's good to see that Ukio Bankas managed to increase it's profit at a time when RBS posted the biggest loss in its history.

Keeping my powder dry on JT's wages until we find out later today what's happened this week.
24

John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 12/12/2008 09:52:14
*24 Share prices on the Vilnius stock exchange are recorded in local currencies AND Euros.

I am interested that nowhere in the report does it mention that the 11 months profit for Ukio is from "unaudited" accounts. And Ukio has not issued any fuller explanation of their figures.

So let's check that UBIG "empire":
Hearts: Not paying wages, cash-flow problems, pursued by creditors through the courts. Not looking good.
Birac alumina plant, Bosnia. Lost 98% of its capital in a year. Gubbed.
Ukio: Share capitalisation has tumbled 80% in a year, and is still falling.
Balkan Investment Bank: Every one of its investments has collapsed in value.

Anyone see a trend?
Shouldn't be long now . . .
25

We love fitba,

google! 12/12/2008 09:55:12
Total non-story!!

I'm sure the staff won't be worried about wages at all, Mr Romanov is an 'Onourable man, and will be finking of the kids what wif Christmas coming up n all.

Gawd bless ya Mister Romanov!
26

Black Five,

edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:04:51
It is not good reading.I fear it is a only a mattter of time till Hearts are shut down.This can`t go on and it`s no coindidece that Romanov is very much in hiding.I read today that Hearts have asked Arbroath to pospone a payment of 15 K till Jan 9th.This smacks of a club whose cashflow is gone.The coach wants two players.That`s pie in the sky.The team will be sold off.Could be best thing in long term.Motherwell survived administration and Hearts would be rescued in some form or other by the fans.We`d get our club back which would be no bad thing.
27

Royalist,

12/12/2008 10:10:55
On Saturday, Hearts players should forget about the negative press, rumours & inuendo surrounding their club & go give Celtic a damn good hiding.

Come on jam tarts, get stuck right in about them.

Dont do it for me, dont do it for Rangers, just do it for yourselves.

Go on the Hearts!
28

Iain Bhern,

12/12/2008 10:12:44
#30 aye and he can't take them back 'cause he can't afford the fine :o)
29

Iain Bhern,

12/12/2008 10:15:46
#32 Bad news and sensationalist stories sell papers and gets hits on websites. Yippee, everything in the garden is rosy stories don't. End of!
30

Bigwull,

edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:17:52
20 good grief.
31

rosco.1875,

12/12/2008 10:19:38
A tell ye, I always thought I'd feel bad for the shambos when this clown took ye's under. But comments like 30 & 32 just make me no care and laugh even louder. You ignorant ostrich tw@ts, if you dont do something soon its all over. Have a word, non-story? Your having a giraffe! Its all the scotsmans fault eh? You couldnae make it up.

Can kiss the PBS goodbye aswell.

And are you surprised? Not once have I read or heard a shambo applying logic and saying "Hmm, I wonder where a team the size of hearts is getting the money to pay players 10 and 15k a week? Surely the sums dont add up? Thats a little strange" Well fckers, you didn't have the money and now your up a certain creek. Paddleless.

Good luck to you, your gonna need it.
32

Bigwull,

edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:19:49
29 idiot!
33

Royalist,

12/12/2008 10:20:42
#32 Its commom knowledge that people have stopped buying newspapers.

Instead they prefer to go "on-line" where they can read these threads & in particular, my comments.

Im keeping this whole industry going.

Its quite a responsibility, but one Im prpaired to face head on.
34

Astaroth,

12/12/2008 10:21:15
Worrying times for all.

What was that I read in The Daily Ranger about the SPL (was it the SPL) bailing some teams?

Anyhow, I would like to see HMFC humping the Tic, but cant' really see it happening.

No! No! I've turned nice.

Must be Friday.

GGTTH
35

Pazuzu,

12/12/2008 10:23:24
So who is getting sold from the Yams then?

GGTTH
36

We love fitba,

google! 12/12/2008 10:25:52
Ronaldo, you're so right.

Unless and until this media group becomes "Pravda" for Hearts and starts repeating everything the hierachy says, they only have themselves to blame.
37

Weel Kent Jambo,

12/12/2008 10:30:53
#40 Why does it matter to you? Because you know that your only hope of doing something against us in January is if we've sold some of best players by then? Showing your insecurity here again.
38

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

12/12/2008 10:37:40
Number seven your drivel is so full of holes it's frightening.

Your main wrong statement us regarding the debt payments which UBIg have - try Reading the next set of accounts.
39

Mickey Edwards,

prudent sustainable boring solvency 12/12/2008 10:53:51
# 15 ....you still don't get it........the only reason that you have been a}relatively successful winning two scottish cups and b}latterly simply competing with Hibs on relatively equal terms is that you have been completely outspending us for the past 10 yrs or so.

It's been money that you don't have and your organisation is likely to disappear soon. If you had cut and run, sold Tynie when the pieman got you into trouble, you might still be here next year.....you didn't and you won't. Both my grandfathers supported Hearts as well as a few uncles....it's kind of in my blood too......none of you seemed to take the situation seriously and gloated about the "big team " nonsense when that was never a part of the normal rivalry dialogue. I hate generalisations but I am led to think that the vast majority, not a loud minority, of Hearts fans over the past 10 years are morons for allowing the rape and disintegration of their once great club.........please start taking it seriously...........I might even see you at the Usher Hall, shoulder to shoulder, if there is a massive reality check and sense of history.
40

busbyfh,

12/12/2008 10:54:29
Sorry , But I just cannot get my head round the average FFFHibee brainiac - especially the ones that come on here. Surely rather than state time and again that Romanov will bail out soon and leave Hearts in administration and gloat about it, they should be wanting him to stay as long as he can.
If we potentially go under , everyone knows the Hearts fans will stump up the money to either stay afloat in one guise or another or band together and buy another footballing franchise out (example Livingston) and start again a division below but re-named as plain "FC Heart of Midlothian".Example Airdrie and Clydebank.
If I was a FFFHibee (God forbid) I would want the foreign "businessman" to stay as long as possible and to ruin beyond recall everything that he touched.The longer the better. It's obvious !
Just goes to show how short sighted the tw4ts down darkest Leith are.
I'm a glass half empty person but either.......

a. Vlad gets through this cash thingy and Hearts progress.
OR
b. Vlad cannot hack it and sells the club on to someone who wants it and can finance it.
OR
c. Vlad puts us into administration and bu66ers off therefore leaving us to start again under a differently purchased franchise.

Hearts fans score whichever way......It's only if Vlad stays and flounders while getting sucked under that we lose out.
AND YET FFFHIBEES CANNOT SEE THIS.
41

by george i think he's done it!,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:55:30
ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS
42

by george i think he's done it!,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:55:41
ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS
43

by george i think he's done it!,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:55:55
ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS
44

by george i think he's done it!,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 10:56:13
ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS

ONLY PAY THE SCREAMERS
45

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 12/12/2008 10:58:14
RSE 3 years of droning is it? Are Hearts suffering from cash flow problems, yes or no - just a guess if you don't want to fall back on the Vlad sheep line of "No one but Vlad knows what's happening"
I think Hearts were in 2 or 3 cases yesterday in the small claims court for non payment. So, do Hearts look as though they have a cash flow problem, yes or no. If the answer is yes, is this a good thing or a bad thing (clue - good or bad acceptable answers anything else may as well read Baaaaaaaah)
Final speculative question. If the stories droning on were - all this spending can only lead to long term difficulty - 3 years on feels a bit long termish to me - were the nay sayers right or wrong.

Discuss. (Clue 2 - use of Hobonomics, peg sellers AIDS, caravan dwellers are not permitted - and neither is clapped out dairy with pitches on it)
46

Mickey Edwards,

12/12/2008 11:03:19
I give up

# 46.....c is obviously the likeliest long term solution.........does that not even worry you a wee teensy bit ? Please say it does .......then I might feel that the rivalry might continue for a few decades yet.......if nobody's that bothered {or in denial - means the same thing in my book if you're a grown up} then you're completely Donald Ducked and that would make me slightly sad.....not completely, mind, but slightly sad.
47

Pazuzu,

12/12/2008 11:15:29
Weel Kent Jambo:

Civil question!

GGTTH
48

Santa,

greenland 12/12/2008 11:20:52
Hearts have been sent termination of lease notices for the 16 flats they rent for players and staff.Rent has not been paid and eviction will follow if arrears are not made good.
49

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 12/12/2008 11:33:06
Question for these Hibs Financial Whizkids? Is the Hearts debt more or less than it was was when Robinson left.

Answer: Around the same if not slightly less and soon to be even less when squad players and perhaps one first team player is offloaded. The wage bill may be higher but this has been getting addressed for some time and will continue to reduce.

So why should we have let Robinson sell our home as he was going to? We would've missed out on some of the greatest memories ever, beating Hibs 4-0 at Hampden in the biggest game ever between our clubs, Playing some of Europes top clubs etc and witnessing some of the best football played at Tynie that I can remember.

Cashflow is certainly an issue and must be addressed but is only a consquence of the worldwide economic downturn. Therefore this "I told you so for the last 3 years" is absolutely p1sh unless you also predicted the current credit crunch.

Best things Hearts fans can do is continue to plough money into the club via home ticket sales and merchandise. Once we get through the current cashflow issues the size of the prize will be worth it.

p.s. Mon the Gorgie this weekend.........altogether now......Feeeeeeeeeeeed the Weegies, do they know its Christmas time!!! Glory-hunting, soap dodging skanks

50

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 12/12/2008 12:29:09
#56 And I thought I'd made it easy with Yes/No answers required.

Re the auction - I've no idea. Do you think Petrie and Farmer absconded with the funds?

#55 Can I answer your question with one of my own. If the debt Hearts had when Robinson was in charge was unsunstainable and the economy was booming, how is it good that the same unsustainable level of debt is "Ok" when the economy is tanked?
51

Chas Niceass,

12/12/2008 12:31:10
The real question is will anyone ever print something new, with clear evidence about Hearts other than old archive material and circumstantial p*sh?
I'm fed up with these stories, if Hearts go bust, I'll eat an online copy of the evening news.
52

Pistol Pete,

12/12/2008 12:35:27
Oh to be a Jambo - bit like US homeland security - totally paranoid and never know what to expect from day to day.

OK the tabloids and media have completely got it wrong - Everyone is getting paid on time, Hearts will sign new players in Jan and will be challenging in the champs league 2009/ 2010!!!
53

neil7908,

12/12/2008 12:44:38
I think its a little ridiculous all the jambos coming on criticising the paper, if you think its writing garbage, DONT READ IT! Ok so maybe your not buying a copy of the paper but every time you enter the site or comment on an article the site gets another hit and the more popular it is, the more money they get frm advertisers. I dont understand why you would keep coming back to a media outlet that attracts so much criticism

#32 your argeument that the scotsman has a pro hibs bias is laughable, you said yourself, there sales are dropping so why would they alientate over half their potential readership with deliberatly negative articles about hearts when they want people to buy papers? As far as im aware its not a hibs fan in charge of the paper so i cant see why they would go to all the trouble, from the writers up the the editors, to write stories that lose them readers.
54

Santa,

greenland 12/12/2008 12:50:11
#58 If Hearts would publish their accounts to July 2008 like every other SPL club then the picture might be clearer.
But,since anything that can be spun as "good" news is rushed out,I think its safe to assume its more bad news soon!!
55

neil7908,

12/12/2008 12:52:30
#58 Circumstantial? Nowhere does it say anything in the article about hearts going bust, its just pointing out a fairly obvious link bewteen 2 of romanovs companies where people havent seen their wages on time. Ok, a lot of this stuff has been banded about for a while now but its circumstantial in the way that a tumour is circumstantial evidence of cancer. theres obviously a problem but as they cant get a look at the real hearts finances, they have to write about the evidence they have.
56

esexjambo,

12/12/2008 12:59:04
#27 they don't trade in Euros though... how do I know, I work for the biggest financial data company in the world and have all the data in front of me... reporting currency is ...

STOCK DATA LTL (direct paste)

OOPS...

Go back to school hoboconomist
57

Hibernianinc,

12/12/2008 14:14:13
#46

Actually, most Hibbies reckon Vlad's the best thing since sliced bread.

He's turned a respected national institution into a complete laughing stock, and best of all, taken most of the maroon balloons along with him. Even now, when it's clear that he's completely delusional (SPL Champions, CL winners, WC stars, £51m stand, and anything he's ever said) there are still plenty on-side.

I'm looking forward to quite a few 1st team players leave in Jan, probably for good money, to be replaced by Lithuanians from Kaunas that Csaba "watched" against rangers. This will be spun by the believers as good business, getting the wage bill down, etc., but still posting about how Hibs sell the family silver at any opportunity.

Personally, I hope Vlad hangs around for a lot longer.

A LOT longer.
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by george i think he's done it!,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 14:31:13
#64

You mean replaced by these liths like:

Jankauskas (most gifted player to play for hearts for many years)
Velicka - dud turned into £1m signing
Miko - How many as he scored against the wee team?
Zaliukas - Off to Russia for £2m, didn't he score the winner against your lot?

I mean when we talk about Liths, we're not talking about duds like your joke of a goal keepers, your miserable midfield (erm, brian kerr anyone?).

Oh, and Fletcher and Riordan will be off as soon as something better comes along...say Nott Forrest.

Hobos = wee team, JTs = big team

60

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 12/12/2008 14:37:56
#57 The man from Mars

Point 1 - A debt is only unsustainable when the bank that owns it says so. HBOS might have no interest in Hearts but UKIO do therefore it is not unsustainable especially as the same people operating UKIO are the ones trying to make Hearts self sufficient.

Point 2 - Income in terms of gate receipts, merchandising and player sales means a comparible debt to Robinsons era is much more likely to be paid off. One of the main reasons being Romanov will not sell undervalue. Talk of a fire sale is rubbish as you well know. Players will leave but for decent values hence the debt will drop quicker than Robinson could ever dream of.
61

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

12/12/2008 14:42:12
# 45 you are a f**bag of the highest order mate.

"but I am led to think that the vast majority, not a loud minority, of Hearts fans over the past 10 years are morons for allowing the rape and disintegration of their once great club.........please start taking it seriously"

so what exactly can FANS do about who OWNS the club??
how did we "allow" this to happen?
what about man u and the glazers? they didnt want them to buy the club but money talks!

there was no other option for hearts than to stay at tynecastle. and when when robinson had sold us down the river one man came in to bail us out. if you think wed have survived moving to murrayfield then im afraid it is you who is the moron!

i could say that hibs fans have shown a complete lack of ambition over the last 10 years by allowing any talent at all to be flogged along the m8 for any price going to line the pockets of your greedy owners.
62

sixto_rodriguez,

12/12/2008 15:04:11
Its messed up to see how some Hearts fans are so blind not to realise that there is nothing good going on with their club just now.

Wages being unpaid is just the publicly known part of the chaos. Numerous court actions yesterday over unpaid bills, den mothers not being paid. It is a mess and play it any way you like, to claim that it is anything other than a worrying situation is just whistling in the dark.

They can keep on with the Big team/Wee team chat all they like, but be honest if this continues, there will just be the Wee team left in Edimburgh and that would be a very sad day indeed.




63

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

12/12/2008 15:14:54
#69 you had a reasonable point that there are certain aspects of hearts that even the most die hard fan will question but your comment "there is nothing good going on with their club just now"???? is absolute rubbish!!
even you must realise that DESPITE all the nonsense and backroom garbage the players still perform, beating rangers in our last game and are currently the third best team in scotland.

we have a very good coach, lots of good young players coming through....can you say the same for hibs?

its not a case of being "blind" and of course its a problem with unpaid wages/court cases but on the other side of the coin we have all the misinformed articles like above. which doesnt publish a single FACT about hearts. and you might say im being blind etc as i dont know the financial state at hearts...no-one does. but that will have the hibs fans calling me a sheep blah blah whatever.

and if i dont know the answer its often better to keep quiet than open your mouth and start spouting guff like flats tick tock etc
64

sixto_rodriguez,

12/12/2008 15:27:22
Im not a Hibs fan, so either way I'm not bothered about the arguments between you and Hibs fans. Some of the comments from Hibs fans hoping for Hearts to go bust are very short sighted and there do seem to be a disproportionate number of their fans who seem to be experts in economics, but that is beside the point.

Yes, 3rd in the league is good for Hearts and I think Hearts are probably over achieving with the quality of players they have at their disposal. To be honest, how many of the players in the Hibs or Hearts team could you truly say are international class? Some might play internationals for their countries, but they are squad players at best.

My point is that you and people like you seem to be a paranoid about criticism of Hearts, as if the criticism is unreasonable. But I think criticism is due to the way it is being run.

You are being successful on the field despite the chaos off of it. One doesn't mitigate the other. Your club is still being run very badly and in a way which throws the long term future of it into some doubt.
65

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 12/12/2008 15:34:50
#67 EBT - at last a decent question.
I'd argue that the debt was unsustainable because Robinson saw only one way to trade himself and the club out of it. You corrctly point out it's a different bank and the relationship to the club is different.
However point 2 while crowds and merchandise etc were up - the debt leaped also. You are now in a position of equivelant (at best)debts with a likliehood of a reducing income. That's not a pop at the support. If there's a recession on and generally money is tight - the football club is a weekly luxury fewer people can afford. Many of the I'm not renewing crowd could well have changed their minds by now but the economic climate is different and an outlay of £25 plus travel - pies and a few bevvies will make a more visible hole in the household budget than the season ticket purchase a while back does. If you add the cash flow - the whole point of my original post. It's not good. Saleable assets will not meet their old market value because this is the first transfer window since the economy crashed so no-one really knows who is prepared to pay what for an SPL "star". Their valuation may fall well short of what Vlad wants - and even this profit driven capitalist will know when he's paying good money after bad keeping the likes of Kingston at £15K p/w and the best offer he gets is £1M.
66

Slobo,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 15:42:34
Hearts are in a financial mess, but, having followed them since the early 80's, its all I've ever known!! We've always been in dire financial straits and we've always survived. I may not have the economical answers that some posters are demanding, but I know this. There will always be a Hearts. Some way or another, we'll survive. With or without Vlad, although preferably without because the one point I will agree with is that he makes us a laughing stock over petty issues in order to protect his own ego. But what can the fans do about it? Unless there's a Jambo out there with a spare £10M-£20M, then absolutely nothing. I guarantee you that a public campaign against Vlad would only induce a bigger problem than we currently have, as he'd rather fold us than back down and lose face.
Any suggestions from non-Jambo's as to what the fans can do?
67

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 12/12/2008 15:48:18
#70 In answer to para 2 I'll stick my neck out a bit and say yes. However can you prove the answer is no.

Hearts have found an experienced coach, the jury is still out on Mixu but this is only the 3rd team he's managed so a direct comparison might not be fair.
Good players coming through - yip. Same as Hearts. How do I know - by looking at the current squad and the number of internationals in full squad's and at under 21's. They are pretty similar - and a credit to both clubs. Currently the Hibs u 19's are on top of their league and unbeaten. I'm fairly certain the Jambo's arent far behind.
Where it will get interesting is after the transfer window. While this is all speculation will Shabba do as well with half his current squad gone in the need for cash and having to blood the youths? It's been slow but the Hibs team are improving and look as though they are more likely to streghthen than sell.
68

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 12/12/2008 15:50:52

#72 Mars Man

See this is my issue. You talk about Hearts but you don't know anything about the club becuase you are an outsider looking in. The basis of your argument now is that our income will reduce, which is factually incorrect to date and hopeful on your part for the future. Crowds are currently higher than they were under Robinson when the football was woeful to watch but a loyal band of fans like myself would go every week. This loyal band will never fall below the 11-12k that were going under Robinson because despite what is happening at the club, we will not desert it.

Income will increase because off-field marketing operations are far better than before, transfer values have increased (and will remain so despite your hopeful conjecture) and ground development will eventually increase potential further.

Just because you wish for something doesn't make it reality.
69

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

12/12/2008 16:21:35
#71 I can appreciate what your saying "You are being successful on the field despite the chaos off of it. One doesn't mitigate the other. Your club is still being run very badly and in a way which throws the long term future of it into some doubt." but i have to disagree. why do you support a football team. my reasons are nothing to do with long term economic viability thats for sure!! in football success on the pitch is all that matters when you have NO control over how the club is run. no fans have these days where even the fan power of a massive club like man utd is not enough to stop them being bought over by moneymen.

totally agree with #73 and i have never known us to not be in a financial mess so i just dont anaylse this as much and the focus on hearts is just bizarre.

what about other clubs with unsustainable debts with hbos etc who have no controlling interest in the team. our saving grace is that ukio have an interest in us and the debts. rangers owe money to hbos without such an investment. people seem to suggest in the financial climate hearts are the only team at risk. i just dont think thats the case and alot more clubs will be on a sticky wicket.
70

Ian Walker,

Montreal Bear 12/12/2008 16:48:43
#22
No Rangers.no HEARTS
Then NO CELTIC or no SPL.
Where would the revenue come from!!
71

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 12/12/2008 17:16:41
#75 The biggest crowds were 2 years ago. Regardless of the core I see gaps at the ground everytime I catch highlights. So the income must be reduced. If you were a betting man would you say that in the current eomomic climate the crowds will go up or down? There may be a few half season ticket sales sold on the back of the current crop of results but will that be sustained if - and it's an if - Berra, Kingston, Driver, Karipdis and Zaluskis are sold to keep the club liquid?

At no point have I wished for anything and had hoped for a decent argument but I really feel that your head is going back into the sand and you have your fingers crossed. My biggest fault is being an outsider looking in - So my experience as a wage earner, supporter, home owner though the last 2 recessions counts for nothing simply becasue I don't support Hearts and that Hearts supporters are immune to all that's going round?
72

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 12/12/2008 17:24:00
What a proper jurno would do is look for the facts.(Some chance)Ripro are NOT that is NOT owned by Vlad.The club are owned by the local goverment in the area and Vlad is one of many fund providers for the club.
How we can have 77 posts on this non story just shows you what happens when you get misinformation for our green tinted local paper.
So there you have it they are not very good or they are stirring it?Either one or the other,a bit of both I would think because all the hits on here earns them money.
JT for life.Get into the soap dodgers tomorrow JTs.
73

mcaitchi,

hibs 12/12/2008 22:50:01
Hibs get Stick for selling Players to balance the books

Will romanov stick his hand in his personal fortune ??

and sort out the mess ??

-OR- will he sell players !!!

I think Hearts need romanov - he is a sugar daddy - but a ruthless one !!
74

Braes of Glenmiller,

13/12/2008 11:27:42
Thanks Bermudahibby...a sensible post amongst the usual "tick tock" nae brains.

We are in crisis and I think we will sell players in Jan, including Bruno for a ludicrously low fee, but that's our own fault for not sorting out his contract.

As for Berra, he can be very good, left sided centre halves are at a premium and so he's worth a bit.

Zal..off to Moscow...not a bad deal considering the young talent available at Tynie, but would probably kill off our hopes of 3rd this year.

As for Robbie, I've always been a fan, and it's great that we're talking to him about a contract. Good business for the Hearts, and since his return he's been playing well. I think the rest has done him good as well as the competition for places with Thompson and Johnsson competing for a place in the team.

As long as we stay in business the future's bright at Gorgie. Unlike our land sold for flats, field at Prestonpans neighbours.

 

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