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First European final marked start of a golden age



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
Belief soared as Rangers marched to Cup Winners' Cup final of 1961
IT WAS the start of what has been referred to as the golden age in Rangers' European history, when Scot Symon's young side began to reap the benefit of lessons learnt in previous years against teams such as AC Milan and Eintracht Frankfurt.

The la
tter club, then a force in German football, had defeated the Ibrox side 12-4 on aggregate in the semi-finals of the European Cup in 1960. It had proved a chastening experience for Rangers, and what they had to aspire to was again outlined in the final at Hampden Park, when Eintracht lost 7-3 to Real Madrid. The following season proved a watershed one for Rangers and, indeed, British football.

Hearts were league champions of Scotland in 1959/60 so Rangers were not able to return to the European Cup. But, on account of their victory in the Scottish Cup against Kilmarnock, the Ibrox team, with Jim Baxter now added to the side, were invited to contest the inaugural Cup Winners' Cup competition. The cast-list included other great names of the time, such as Dynamo Zagreb and Ferencvaros, and also a couple of sides – ASK Vorwaerts and Red Star Brno – whose names have since faded into obscurity. Present, too, were Wolverhampton Wanderers, then regarded as one of the finest teams in England and who, under legendary manager Stan Cullis, had won the league championship three times in the Fifties.

The series began with a preliminary round of two matches in order to reduce the entry to a manageable eight. Spain and France had refused to enter their eligible clubs but it was still a strong cast-list. Rangers were paired with the Hungarian side Ferencvaros, and at Ibrox in September 1960 managed to make up for two successive home defeats in Europe – Sparta Rotterdam as well as Eintracht Frankfurt had triumphed in Glasgow during the previous season – by winning 4-2. The return leg in Hungary, which was played at the national stadium rather than Ferencvaros' own ground, proved hairy for Rangers, and the Scots looked to have undone the good work of the first leg when they trailed 2-0. The away goal rule had not yet been introduced but no matter, for Davie Wilson scored on the hour mark to ward off the prospect of a toss of the coin being used to separate the teams.

After just one round Rangers were already into the quarter-finals, where they met Borussia Moenchengladbach. It was an opportunity to avenge their drubbing at the hands of another West German team, Eintracht Frankfurt, six months earlier. Indeed, they handed out a thrashing themselves, with the German leg held in Dusseldorf due to stadium concerns at Moenchengladbach. With the Eintracht Frankfurt squad sitting in the stand, Rangers, in a bruising encounter that was dubbed the Battle of the Rhine, won 3-0. The second-leg at Ibrox was a foregone conclusion, but Rangers still managed to raise eyebrows by winning 8-0, with Ralph Brand becoming the first Ibrox player to score a hat-trick in Europe.

The wishes of many were granted when Wolves were drawn with Rangers in the last four. "Wolves were one of the top clubs, and they came up to Glasgow thinking they would give us a hiding," recalled Harold Davis, the Ibrox wing-half who featured in every European match that season. "But they didn't do that."

The English reporters expected the English team to romp it, but 79,229 fans inside Ibrox saw Rangers win 2-0 in the first game. Four days before the second-leg, England defeated Scotland 9-3 at Wembley, something which made the outcome of the return match at Molineux even more satisfying. A 1-1 draw saw Rangers become the first British side to reach a major European final, and proved that the players were benefiting from this exposure to talents, and playing systems, from all across Europe.

"I played 28 European games and they were all against top teams," Davis told The Scotsman. "But we were still learning in those days. The continental type of play, even in those days, was recognised as being more ball-skill orientated rather than ploughing through the mud. It took us a long time to get over that and catch up with them.

In these days we were all Scots lads, and we had a lot to learn when it came to playing on the continent. It was the old gutsy, proud-to-be-a-Scot mentality, and we went out there and battled. And it was battling against more skilled players. In the end we were not that far short."

Not far short, but not quite good enough. Against Fiorentina in the final Rangers paid for a poor result in the first leg at Ibrox, where they fell to a Luigi Milan double and also had an Eric Caldow penalty saved. It was the first and only time that the Cup Winners' Cup would be decided over two legs although, in reality, the second match – which was played on a Saturday evening – was hardly necessary, with the Italian side, who had reached the final of the European Cup in 1957, unlikely to spurn a two-goal lead at home.

Fiorentina, then under the charge of the legendary former Hungarian international Nandor Hidegkuti, established a three-goal aggregate lead in the 12th minute, with Milan again the scorer. Although Rangers equalised through Alex Scott, Swedish winger Kurt Hamrin scored the winning goal on the night for the Italians. "We were a bit unlucky to lose over in Italy," recalled Davis. "We had as much of the game as they did, but we came out of it on the downside."

Bonfires were lit on the terraces to mark the achievement of an Italian club winning a European trophy for the first time, while Rangers, champions of Scotland again, prepared for another shot at the European Cup the following season, where more valuable experience was gathered in a march to the last-eight.

Read the orignal Scotsman match report from 1961 HERE:

http://sport.scotsman.com/uefacup/From-the-Scotsman-archives-Rangers.4014508.jp



The full article contains 1048 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 11 May 2008 11:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: UEFA Cup
 
1

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 12/05/2008 07:31:12
The problem for this lot is that unlike in toxic little scotland, there will be no cheating by the officials, and as a result, the drivel dished up will be shown for what it is...second rate, inadequate and ugly football.

The defeat of the stinkgers is inevitable but the embarassment they will cause to scottish football will be enduring.

Rangers...the shame of scotland
2

Dabulamanzi,

12/05/2008 08:22:14
#1 Aw diddums. The only reason Scotland is toxic is because you and your ilk poison it.
3

bring them on,

12/05/2008 08:25:11
I enjoyed that article.

Thank you author.
4

Yorkshire exile,

12/05/2008 08:27:43
Oh dear - first comment comes from a bitter, hurting Celtic supporter.
Listen again to the Levein and Eddie Thompson rant from Saturday. Eddie singled out the 'wee Celtic player' who continually falls over and gets a foul or penalty.
The main embarrassment for Scottish football is the team that goes abroad and whose supporters wrap themselves the flag of a foreign country and would rather sing that national anthem than that of the country of their birth. Is there any other team in the world that does that?
5

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 12/05/2008 08:28:06
Back in 1961 there was no crowd segregation in Scotland and I remember, as a teenager, being at Ibrox a few weeks after the Borussia Moenchengladbach match, to support Kilmarnock.

A couple of Rangers supporters behind us were arguing about which of them was the truer Blue; this argument seemed to last most of the first half, before one of the pair produced what he thought was his trump card: "Ah'll tell ye hoo loyal ah am - ah went tae Borussia fur that gemme!!"

Wonderful thing the teaching of geography in Scotland - I've yet to find Borussia on any map of Germany.
6

BILLY THE BIGOT,

UK 12/05/2008 08:29:36
Rangers led the way as always, first Scottish club in a Euro final.
If we can get to the UEFA cup with this squad, then anything is possible.
Mind you I'm slightly concerned at the news that Gravesen is on his way back.....I hope they don't give strachan too much money....the guy is a genius in the transfer market.
7

bring them on,

12/05/2008 08:31:58
Wish there was some video footage of those game still knocking around.

Who got the threads closed down?

Should be banned for life.

8

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 12/05/2008 08:32:22
I notice this morning, at 8.23am it was still possible to post on the post Dundee United game rumpus, by 8.30am the Old Firm lunatic fringe had forced the closing down of that thread.

Well done those loonies - one of your best efforts yet - now, GET A F*@#ing LIFE!!!!!
9

bring them on,

12/05/2008 08:35:54
#8

Who was it?
10

BILLY THE BIGOT,

UK 12/05/2008 08:39:16
Don't blame the posters, blame the Scotsman for being a bunch of lazy c'nts.
If their moderator wasn't sitting in the canteen all day stuffing his fat face, maybe he'd get round to removing the offending articles.

Anyway, Levein is a greeting faced bad loser.
Rangers deserved to win and would have done with 10 men as well.

Noel Hunt is a perfect rhyming slang for what he is....if he wasn't such a bitter wee nyaff he'd get on a bit better.

How about the fact Levein wanted Broadfoot sent off for punching Hunt?

Eh sorry Craig, but the tw@t bit his tongue.
How do we know this? Because Hunt admitted it.
So get a life Levein...better still, get yourself some decent players.
11

Publilius Syrus,

....C.I.S.....Corruption Is Successful !!! 12/05/2008 08:39:27
Apart from anything else,this is hardly the scenes that Rearrangers would have liked leading up to their departure for Manchester,is it.

Rearrangers will travel down south with echoes of cheats....cheats....cheats....ringing loudly and very clearly in their lugholes,right up to the point where they cross the border and sanctuary in England.

What they must not be allowed to forget is that,regardless of the outcome on Wednesday those same chants of cheats....cheats....cheats will still be waiting and echoing for them as they cross back over the border into Scotlands dear green pastures.

The scandal of last Saturday in Govan will reverberate in Scotlands Footballing History for decades.

In fact it will never be forgotten.
Will it.
12

bring them on,

12/05/2008 08:42:52
#10

Honest opinion

Your posts are not funny or interesting.

In fact, they are stupid and you should take them somewhere else.

Just my opinion, mind you

Cheers
13

forbesy1873,

12/05/2008 09:21:26
I am choking for a pint of Boddingtons, mmmm yum.
14

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:27:09
Queens Of The Stone Age DVD just arrived.

Let's see if it's any good.
15

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:38:39
Very quick listen to the DVD

This lullaby -good

You Ca't Quit Me Baby- also good.
16

Dark Horse,

12/05/2008 09:41:03

Great article, and for those who do know their history, these were fascinating times. The Scotsman is good at teasing out these little historical nuggets.


As usual our resident erse, Pure Syphilis #11, goes of on her weariesome rant. Blatantly refusing to aknowledge the stench of " inconsitency" as exhibited by Messrs Conroy,Murphy and Brines to the clear benefit of Integrity FC in recent weeks.

Interesting to note Rangers are organising their own homecoming. The nest of vipers that is GCC, are clearly hurting as badly as the rest of the CFC hoards.
The all inclusive post Seville party, was fully planned..only to be cancelled caasue the 'tic were pumped. You get what you vote for....
17

DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 09:42:06
Funny ol' game innit?

Celtic steal a point from Aberdeen and add 2 to their own in the process but their fans can't fathom any favours given to Rangers?

Should have been a penalty for DU, no doubt, but that will not be the first time we will see those kind of decisions - for or against. As for the goal chopped off for off-side I reckon the linesman got it right as the DU player was definately interfering with play. Had the offendor not been in the position he was in the Weir/Daily (don't remember) would not have gone for the ball and it would have fallen into the hands of Alexander - no brainer.

Great wee story above though. Heard John Greig say the other day that they had to play 8 games to win the ECWC back then although and that it is infinately more difficult these days....can't argue there. Asked on his opinion of wee Barry superceeding him in European appearances and the possibility of emulating his European Cup winning success he replied, "First and formost, I'm a Rangers man. Nothing means more to me than the success of this club. I hope Barry goes on to lift the UEFA Cup and everything else. We want to win everything".

John's ma' hero!
18

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:47:44
So Rangers were the first Scottish team in Europe.

Funny, I always thought it was Dundee?
19

paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 09:50:36
#4

And how do you know which country they are born in?

Assumptions....assumptions....assumptions...

Ya spanner!
20

MATYUSHENKO,

Lancashire, England 12/05/2008 09:51:08
Dundee United would be quite within its rights to insist that the game be replayed.
What?.....Oh...
21

DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 09:51:14
Talking about heros...What about Tam Forsythe, eh?

Last memory I have was being in the Main Stand at his testimonial. Big Tam had the biggest smile on the park and got a standing ovation when the ball was thrown over the top of his head and he back-heeled it back in front of him. Tam was never known for his skills and it should be known that this happened as he was making his way to the tunnel at half-time.

He could cut the legs away from a centre-half, smile, apologize and make the guy think it was his fault he got tackled. Doubt if he'd play many games in the girly leagues we have these days!
22

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:53:10
Paulmac

Are the new shoes a wee bit tight. Squeezing on your corns... I hope so.

No this is Rangers Week. Official.

Only Rangers are playing in Big Games.
23

Magnet,

12/05/2008 09:54:51
1
Credibility test ! Have Celtic had more favourable decisions than Rangers or any other SPL team this season ? Was this question the reason the other threads were closed ? Shame on you moderator ... protecting the fools without reasoning ability ... you should in fact be happy that they will be humiliated and shown as serial deniers unable tae reason or form proper debate !
24

paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 09:57:46
#10

The Setanta cameras caught Braodfoot the cheat clumping Hunt just before Dundee Utd scored the goal that was disallowed by ex Ibrox season ticket holder McCurry on the grounds that it would allow Utd back into the game and he might lose his lift home on the Rangers team bus
25

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:57:52
#23

The answer is- non one knows.

A much more interesting question.

Does Paulmac's wife really shop at Harrods?
26

Magnet,

12/05/2008 09:57:57
19
In your own time Paul ! Answer post 23 !
27

bring them on,

12/05/2008 09:59:48
#24

Paaaaaaaulmac,

Way, way out of order, as usual..


McCurry was driving the bus
28

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:04:01
25
It`s not even up for debate BTO you could Question if you were that way inclined Smith ,Brines,Murphy,Clarke or Conroy but instead it is only McCurry ! The penalty was dubious and if given would have been harsh and the disallowed deflected goal was off side as the player ran across the ball and was active ! Why the big deal ? Oh! that`s right that muppet Levein is gutted that he has blown his Uefa chances over the last couple of weeks and is looking for someone else tae blame !
29

,

12/05/2008 10:07:43
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
30

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:09:02
#28

So there we have it.

End of debate. Everyone happy, again.

Is Idee around today, or still on the run, dodging from safe house to safe house?
31

Dark Horse,

12/05/2008 10:10:32
What differentiates Levien from Calderwood?

Apart from ability, size and skin tone it is this;

Calderwood saw his team denied a point at Integrity FC a few weeks ago. The decision was wrong, and the referee went on record to admit he got it wrong. An admission of guilt. It has ultimately cost AFC the opportunity of challenging for 3d.

The difference is Calderwood although upset, and who could blame him, accepts it as part and parcel of the game and gets on with it. Had he produced the theatrical performance we saw from Levein, the Rhat pack would have shown him the door. "Sour grapes", "all balances out" would have been the mantra. The phone in's would have blamked it, and the sweep sweep brigade who do Blue Chips bidding would have made sure we all "moved on".

One rule for CFC one rule for others.

32

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:11:11
#29

Paulmac

Thanks for the genuine, from the heart, concern.

Clean as a Maryhill polis man's whistle. Nae worries.

The dug will tell you.
33

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:12:33
#31

Dark Horse

You made me laugh, ya...

Good opening.
34

paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 10:13:15
#27

Sorry BTO....in future I will use the correct reference...

Mikey the Rangers team bus driver...

Is it true Alan Freeland doubles up as the kit man when he's got a game fur the Gers?

Sorry....when he officiates their games?
35

Dark Horse,

12/05/2008 10:13:20
#25

Maybe. But with who's credit card, that is the question.
36

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:13:35
30
These idiots arguing that black is white and denying the facts is not debate. If they want recognition for debate then they must show the ability tae reason otherwise they are not capable of debate !
37

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 12/05/2008 10:14:20
Discredited without glory...rangers epitaph
38

paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 10:16:24
BTO When the carrier bags are £5 a go.....wot do you reckon?
39

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 12/05/2008 10:16:39
# 11 idee
please read match report of septic v sheep
think you'll find that your MOPES got a very favourable call
also check the 1st OF game at kraphead when robson should have been red carded after 30 seconds
pot kettle black
hope your next needle is a dirty one
WATP
Forza The People
40

Dark Horse,

12/05/2008 10:18:21
#36

The truth, Which paulmac and his chums cannot face up to is that a complete overhaul of the SPL, the SFA and Scottish Officiating will backfire spectacularly on Itegrity FC.

Without Lex Gold, Steve Conroy, Iain Brines, Eddie Smith and Tom Murphy all lending a hand, the SPL title would have been settled weeks ago.

They can't admit it though.
41

paulmac,

Surrey 12/05/2008 10:18:50
#36

Are you a Sunday sport man or Guardian?

42

Publilius Syrus,

.....C.I.S......Corruption Is Successful.....!!! 12/05/2008 10:18:58
The sight of the Rearrangers team bus scurrying across the border to seek temporary sanctuary in their beloved homeland of Engerlund will be a hoot.

However,their well earned title of domestic cheats...cheats ...cheats will be their welcome as they cross back into Scotlands dear and green pastures to a cacophony of hissing and booing.
Quite similar in fact to the welcome Koooh-Saaaahn-The-Nut received from The Ibrox Angry until Wally stepped in to tell his own fanz to shut it,or he`d be resigning.

They can run to Engerlund if they like,but there will be no hiding place for them on their return.
Win or lose.


Thats for sure.

43

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:19:02
37
It is you and the rest of the Celtic minded that are discredited for coming on here unable or unwilling tae have a reasoned debate ! Otherwise answer post 23 ! Aint that right Paul !
44

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:20:08
Can you imagine what it is like in Manchester right now.

The airport, the train station, the polis station, the places where you can ge egg chips, bacon and baked beans with tea and salted bread, the singing, the dancing, the other stuff (that we cannae post here).

Aye, it should be a good gemme
45

DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 10:21:36
@30

BTO, I think you'll find Idee has changed his psuedonym again (gasps in amazement) to Publilius Syrus posted above (#11).

The "normal" signs are there; meaningless opinions, ridiculous accusations and sheer contempt - his MO if you will.

As for Paulmac, looks like he's losing the plot completely! It's idiotic comments like those Paul that get the threads closed. If you don't want to read them, don't come a visiting.
46

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:23:11
41
Face the music Paul otherwise you have no credibility or ability tae debate !
47

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:26:20
Here's what I reckon

The art of taking the pi#s has gone. In the 60s, and 70s, with Shankly, Busby, and Stein taking the pi#s was part of the normal working day, came in your stride.

Now, it's all forced, copies and replays.

Aye, but that's just what I think.

So it's back to the year 2008 (is that bit right?)

Paulmac

Why don't you buy clothes that fit you, instead of trying to squeeze into that WGS tracksuit that you bought from Mothercare.... and doesnae fit ya
48

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:29:32
BTW, The Queens DVD gets much better in the second half.

I Never Came, No One Knows- both very good.
49

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:30:19
Is there any Celtic minded poster on here that can answer post 23 or are you all serial deniers ? Little point in getting into discussion with any of these Celtic minded posters as this is proof that they cannot reason and a proper debate would be futile ! Maybe they get O'level truth aversion and no one has told us !
50

Publilius Syrus,

.....Corruption Is Successful.....!!! 12/05/2008 10:31:39
Rearrangers imagined that the run up to their game on Wednesday would fill the meeja with nowt but praise for the team from The S.W.A.M.P.

Nothing could be further from the truth in fact.

Rearrangers efforts in Manchester are being overshadowed by the furore and debasement of our game in Scotland, by what went on at Ibrox last Saturday.

Some people are still trying to insist that that qualified as a football match.
Can you imagine the cheek of them...attempting to say that poor Dundee United were beaten in a FOOTBALL match.

What happened at Ibrox at the weekend is as far away from football as the population of Scotland outside Ibrox could wish to get.
And thats a fact.

Sad.
Isn`t it.
51

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:34:09
50 Idee
You are exempt as you are a green card holder and never claimed tae have any reasoning skills !
52

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:35:07
#50

No facts in your post, again
53

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:37:17
#50

But I know you're a music man.

Give us some tips on the best bands coming through.

Anything in the pipeline?
54

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 12/05/2008 10:43:58
Number 43, there is no debate. For generations officials in scotland have cheated any/all competitors. The only difference now is that TV doesn't lie and people are refusing to tolerate it anymore.

of course you can quote occasions when Celtic and others get a lucky break from officials but rangers have enjoyed institutionalised cheating for decades.

There is no respect for your history and no glory in your future, only shame and disgust.

55

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:46:14
Don`t mention it moderator .... I can rid the threads of the Celtic minded trouble makers any time you like !
56

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:48:48
#54

A wee bit strong, perhaps.

Hey, the wee odd mistake here and there. Might have been, might have no been. Saw it, didnae see it.

Now, if you don't agree with that,, I'll tell your wife what really happened on April 24, 6.30pm.

Idee has the negatives, and you'll never find him easily.

So, what di you say.

Rangers won fair and square sausage.
57

Publilius Syrus,

.....C.I.S......Corruption Is Successful !!! 12/05/2008 10:49:01
Its a game of two halfs we are told.

Well then,The Very Reverend The Mike changed all that on Saturday with his debasement of footballing rules and regulations with poor Dundee United his latest victim.

On Saturday,at Ibrox,that was a game of NO halfs !!

As Craig Levein so eloquently put it,"there was no point in us turning up".

The inference is that the result was a foregone conclusion.....

.......The Game Of No Halfs......


Rearrangers shame.
Isn`t it.
58

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:49:24
54 Another serial denier and truth deflector
Answer the question in post 23 or go lie down bhoy !
Your rantings have zero credibility and you are not worthy of civilised conversation !
59

DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 10:50:27
@54

Saying it does not make it true CF! If you ask any fan outside the OF they would argue that was the case for both Rangers and Celtic.

Whether you have respect for Rangers, or seemingly not, is of no consequence and your opinions are your own and of those like you. That being the majority of Celtic fans....agian, saying it, as often as it pleases you, does not make it true.
60

Mayo'smasonblue,

SouthLincs 12/05/2008 10:50:41
I'm new to this game so be gentle!
Good historic article, but I see it's just a smoke screen for the weird and wonderful to vent their spleen. So here goes for the virgin, not mary btw, firstly I hope the gers come through the uefa cup clash, will be hard one but I feel we have a chance. Can remember 72, only 9 then, I know bit old for a vigin.
Watched the Gers v DU, ref got it wrong with penalty, although NH touch took him and ball away from the danger area, with CQ covering should have been pen yellow for DW, just a bad call or no call. Goal was offside from the lino's angle, no worries on that one.
Any way my first comment, I await the expected abuse from some quarters, lets dance.
61

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:53:31
I do realise that even after being totally discredited that these idiots will continue their hate campaign against Rangers but at least today they are shown up for what they really are !
62

Dark Horse,

12/05/2008 10:53:32
#58

Spot on Magnet. Nobody on the offended bus, espcially the driver in the guise of Idee, can bring themselves to enter an inclusive debate. Until they aknowledge the role of the SPL and the officials who have secureed their perilous lead in the SPL title race their comments are as lacking in integrity as their club.
63

The best-Rangers,

The pride of Scotland 12/05/2008 10:54:31
What impressed me most about Saturday was our performance. None of the nerves that had been apparent a few games ago, in it's place a swaggering confidence.

Barry Ferguson has found form at the right time of the season and Novo too is one fire.

Our solid defense and midfield with their ability and work rate can bring home the UEFA cup and wipe away Scotland's shame that was Lunatic O'Neill's efforts to win it.
The booing of the eventual winners that day shamed Scotland and only proved celtc win, lose or draw have no class.
64

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:54:50
#60

Laughed

Cheers
65

bring them on,

12/05/2008 10:57:20
#62

Offened bus... You're a bad man.

Give us the Jimmy Calderwood shuffle...

Dark Horse...
66

AJ Fife,

12/05/2008 10:58:06
Rangers owe a huge debt to East Fife's Scott Symon. He showed the way(fitba), but alas, he always struggled with the bigotry entrenched within the Ibrox club!
67

Magnet,

12/05/2008 10:59:18
60 Mayo
Good reasoned post mate ! Welcome aboard !
68

Publilius Syrus,

.....C.I.S......Corruption Is Successful !!! 12/05/2008 11:00:11
LIVE TV cameras coming out of every available orifice has indeed shown that all domestic achievements that Rearrangers F.C. claim to have achieved in the past are now questionable.

And as a consequence these "achievements" should be expunged from Scottish Footballs History books.


No one could reasonably object.
Could they.
69

Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:04:01
41
ORDER ! Quiet please ! Paul Mac has something he`d like tae say .....sssshhhhhhhhhhh 1
70

bring them on,

12/05/2008 11:04:21
Which team(s) did Scott Symon play for?
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:04:46
#31

Why are you so desperate to defend Mikey the Rangers team bus driver....

Are we likely to see Mikey the Rangers team bus driver wheeled out to explain why.....

He did not award a penalty against David Weir...
He disallowed a perfectly good goal for UTD.....
He did not send off Koooosan for his head butt....

I doubt we will....Mikey will probably be wheeled back into the cupboard and brought back out by the SFA the next time Rangers need a favour...

Rangers want the UTD game postponed....the SPL say no...the SFA appoint Mikey?....

Marginal decisions happen for and against all teams....funny how the Rangers lads are desperatly using marginal decisions to try and balance the books in relation to the outrageous decisions that took place at Ibrox....

Mikey has had the biggest influence on the league this season....

Mikey has officiated more Rangers games than any other official....each game has had a contoversial decision and each one has been in favour of Rangers....

Mikey has officiated 4 Celtic games....and we have won 1 due to an own goal....not one contoversial decision went in our direction...

Coincidence.....I think not

If Craig Levein honestly believes Mikey has been dishonest...then he has every right to say so....

It's interesting that the Rangers lads want Craig to shut up and just quietly disappear hoping everybody forgets what Mikey did!
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DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 11:05:09
I see Zenit had a friendly with AZ in Holland. They wer 2-0 down until just before half-time and then had to bring on their top-scorer (not eligable for Manchester) to get the draw.

What does that mean? They tanked the Gerries (no pun intended) and underperform against Alkmaar? Hope they don't find their form before Wednesday! Our lads will be well up for it and the sight of the red, white and blue army from Glasgow to Manchester will surely give them the required boost...I hope.

I have to say, I've been habitiously negative about the European games all season and the Teddy Bears keep grinding out the impossible. Well done, again and whatever happens, win or lose, you have my gratitude for making this a memorable season. Let's make it a historic one, eh? C'mon the Manchester Magics!
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bring them on,

12/05/2008 11:05:29
Paulmac saying something.

Cannae wait..
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The best-Rangers,

12/05/2008 11:06:49
GIRUY Paulmac.

How are Mr McCurry's windows this morning? No breakages reported in the press, he wanted to keep it quiet in case it encourages other celtc fans, who have a rep for this sort of thing, from doing it again.

His family were, luckily, out of the living room.
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:08:07
71
Answer the question in post 28 or you are talking tae yourself cos no one else cares what you say as you have no credibility ! Go on face the truth and grasp reason ! You can do it !
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bring them on,

12/05/2008 11:09:47
Paulmac

Well, I know the bus driver, and he is just a hard working man who never gave anyone any bother.

And you make a fool of him,his wife, seven kids, two grand children, and the boat that he built from scrap wood that he picked up on the beach at Largs on his one and only one holiday in 60 years.

Hope you are happy now.

I might write a song.

Gi me a topic...
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:10:35
#67

Must be a Rangers fan eh?

Tube
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Publilius Syrus,

.....C.I.S.....Corruption Is Successful !!! 12/05/2008 11:11:03
For example,Linford Christie was only caught and exposed as a drugs cheat once,putting question marks on ALL his athletic "achievements",and rightly so.

Rearrangers F.C. have been proven to be in receipt of RefsUndueInfluences umpteen times THIS season ALONE.

The case against Rearrangers F.C. is irrefutable.

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DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 11:11:27
@71

You could replace that entire dialogue with details from the recent Celtic / Aberdeen game and have the exact same arguement.

What is your point?

Saying often enough doesn't make it true!
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:11:34
77
Sorry mate only got snickers left 1
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NemesisofWilliam,

12/05/2008 11:12:11
Hope Mike McCurry enjoys his hospitality package to the UEFA cup final. What a disgrace. There's always a couple of dodgy decisions but those were laughable.
what a huge, massive club Rangers are eh? 30,000 at the game with Dundee. Wow. You are the people - of low income, social ineptitude and limited brain capacity.
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Flower of Scotland,

Glasgow 12/05/2008 11:13:06
#72.... You wont have McCurry to help you in this one. There are no orange or masonic handshakes in the European ref. scene,only here in backward sectarian Scotland.Rangers are on their own in this one and all decent football fans wish justice to be done,that means Rangers getting a thrashing.
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:15:37
78
By refusing tae answer a perfectly reasonable question on a football forum you are showing yourself up as being unable tae reason and therefore unable tae debate ! Your comments are invisible tae anyone wae the ability tae read !
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Flower of Scotland,

Glasgow 12/05/2008 11:16:49
Glasgow Rangers, the most corrupt and sectarian club in the world. The SFA are bedfellows of this corrupt club.Indeed this is Scotland's shame!
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celtc r atrocious,

sydney 12/05/2008 11:16:50
3 74 bto
do you think that paulmac could be idee's barsteward son?
i do
but then again to accept that would mean that you acknowledge that idee has a life
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DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 11:17:39
@83

Flower of Scotland? How welcome are you at PH?

Does winning the UEFA Cup then put you straight. If there is no conspiracy in Europe, as you argue, then it is quite an achievment getting to the final is it not?

Will you retract your hatred and conspiracy paranoia when Rangers lift the Cup on Wednesday night?

Didn't think so.
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:17:40
82 &83
Any of you two fancy answering post 28 ? Take your time !
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bring them on,

12/05/2008 11:19:22
Yes, I would like to post another option 1, under the new Scotsman system. A football comment.

Paulmac

When your wife says she is going to see her sister, do you still really believe that stuff. I mean, you still think Celtic might win the SPL.
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:19:53
#76

Hang on lads.....Margaret has just responded.....

Lets have a wee read of his response...at 76...

Oh dear.....is that it?....You ask for debate and come back with that tripe?

Spanner
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:21:03
87 Doug
Nothing will alter their hate of Rangers not the truth not facts not humiliation ! More chance of a reasoned debate wae Osama Bin Laden ! I`n serious !
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NemesisofWilliam,

12/05/2008 11:21:24
your blind to the truth fagnet.
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celtc r atrocious,

sydney 12/05/2008 11:21:29
# 85 weeed of oirland
no no no my bhoy
for us bears "scotland's hame"
unfortunately you bhoys do not belong in that category
so
you are "scotland's shame"
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:21:41
#77

Hang on a weee momento.....you're the very person who told us Mikey was the driver?

Do you mean to say.....you've been telling fibs?

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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:22:27
I`m *
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Flower of Scotland,

Glasgow 12/05/2008 11:23:16
#87 Rangers wont lift this second rate European trophy. Rangers will never be able to emulate the first Scots-Irish club to lift the REAL European trophy.THE EUROPEAN CUP! Who is that great club you may ask? Answer...... CELTIC CELTIC CELTIC Champions of EUROPE!
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:24:16
92
Another serial denier ! Go lie down bhoy ! Or you could answer the question in post 28 !
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:25:15
#80

REALLY.....give it a go.....or are you just making a vague comment as usual in the hope it muddies the water?

And if you deny it often enough....it might not have happened....

Oh and BTO don't go drinking muddy water....ok!
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Magnet,

12/05/2008 11:26:49
These idiots have been well and truly hung out tae dry ! Maybe a wee article about the serial deniers inability tae reason or debate ! Thanks Scotsman !
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DougRFC,

Italy 12/05/2008 11:27:59
@96

lol....Champions of where? You're not serious. You are aren't you....lol!

Scots-Irish Club? I'll take a wild guess and say you're probably right...never, ever will a another Scots-Irish club lift the European Trophy...you're bang on the button there, well done!

Wasn't such a second-rate trophy in 2003 was it? If you think it was then you're outnumbered 80,000 to 1 if you only count Celtic supporters.
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Mayo'smasonblue,

SouthLincs 12/05/2008 11:29:36
#64
Cheers broke my cherry!
Big hang ups on here over the old age problem of hate between the OF, don't mind this I think the hate/rivalry, call it what you like can be good for the soul dependant on how far you go. It's the positives from supporting your team that should always outweigh your disdain for your rivals. Back to other points, over the years I've seen terrible decisions given aginst and for almost every team in the world, this paranoid interest in corruption is way over the top! Take the good with the bad, your a long time dead so don't get overly excited.
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paulmac,

surrey 12/05/2008 11:29:57
#84

Invisible to every one except you ya plum....

Another pointless post from Margaret!

Keep em coming!

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bring them on,

12/05/2008 11:32:20
Oh Flower of Manchester,

When will your streets, be clean again

That had to put up with, the pis#sing on your trains

But stood against them, the Queens Arms banisters

And had another beer.


Without any tickets, we're scalling the walls again

Wee Jimmys over first, and he looks clearly still

Too many Buckfasts, but still a wee half bottle to kill

And we are there now, proud Larkhall's army

And sent them home now, to think again



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