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Frail encouraged by group of emerging talent at Hearts



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HEARTS may be struggling to make the top six of the Clydesdale Bank Premier League but caretaker head coach Stephen Frail has taken encouragement from the number of home-grown players in their first team.
Saturday's 1-1 draw at St Mirren left the Edinburgh side three points behind sixth-placed Falkirk, to whom they play host at Tynecastle on Saturday.

But the number of players who had come through the youth ranks to play in the first team – and who
are gaining international recognition – has given Frail hope for the future.

"On Saturday we had seven players in the starting 11 who had come through our system, while another was on the bench," he said.

"That is a notable effort and deserves a good mention as far as I am concerned.

"It is great to see players progress in such a manner and all credit to them for knuckling down and learning the ropes as quickly as they have done.

"Inconsistent performances can often accompany youthful sides, but there is no doubt that there is a bright future ahead of the club.

"Out of those seven, Robbie Neilson, is a Scotland international, Christophe Berra has just been named in George Burley's first Scotland squad, Calum Elliot is an established Scotland Under-21 player, as is Lee Wallace, while Eggert Jonsson is already an Iceland international midfielder.

"Jamie MacDonald is in the Scotland Under-21 squad and when you also consider Andrew Driver has also been talked about regularly for the England Under-21s, then it's clear to see we have a very strong nucleus of excellent young players here."





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  • Last Updated: 19 March 2008 10:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

KingKenny,

20/03/2008 00:01:58
I know Hearts have Good Future Young Players. but some players not play game. Give chance First team play.
2

GOA-JAMBO,

India 20/03/2008 04:00:36
Stevie Frail where are you coming from ....`encouraged by home grow players`......... where are they then, Walace maybe, Berra OK, but that is it, Neilson he should not be in a Hearts team along with another many others, the problem Hearts have( apart from the 37-38 million pounds they owe UKIO) is they have no leadership either on or of the field, Mr Ogilvie move quickly and name the new manager ASAP, this will then give us some hope for the future and possible the spark we the fans need to purchase our season tickets again, loyality and trust must be a two way thing. We have been asked for years to get right behind the club, now I ask the Heart of Midlothian to get right behind the fans and deliver a manager who will in turn deliver some players who can play FOOTBALL, after all that is what we pay our money for.
3

bonspeil,

20/03/2008 05:20:57
#2 I feel your pain but chill out. We're having a bad season, even by pre-Romanov standards. Last season was about average for Hearts fans. The season before was fantastic and way beyond our normal seasons. Expectations were raised by the 2nd place season but just because this season has gone badly doesn't mean next will be the same. For example, the season before we nearly won the league in '86, we finished 7th!

As for young players, this is the best crop to come through our youth system for a while. Driver, Berra, Johnsson and Wallace are all very decent players. Elliot and Mole have shown promise, if only the fans would get off their backs. Thomson, MacDonald and McGowan are all in the wings. But you're right, we obviously need a coaching structure to bring them on.
4

Bob Bonaly,

East Lothian 20/03/2008 06:12:30
What a lot of nonsense this all is. We also know if by any chance they are any good they will be sold as soon as possible by Vlad. Besides which all this constant "bigging up" of Elliot is a complete joke. Let's recognise he will never make it outside of the first division and in the case of Mole he cannot even achieve that. So this is also to inspire us to buy new season tickets is it then - give me a break !!!!
5

StockportJambo,

20/03/2008 07:26:03
So much talent... why are we not running away with the SPL title?



Oh. Right.
6

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 07:44:57
This is desperation stuff.
The wheels are off the bus and we get this nonsense.
7

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 20/03/2008 07:49:52
#4. How can you be so critical of Mole? He got a run in the first team because he put in some very good performances for the reserves which I happened to see and I agree with Frail's decision to try him. Mole got very little service against St.Mirren, but on the odd occassion when he got on the ball he did OK.

As for your stupkd Vlad will sell comment, did Gordon or Hartley get sold at the first offer? - answer no. Did Velicka get sold at the first offer - answer no. Has Goncalves been sold at the first offer - answer no. I could go on, but won't to save you embarrassment.

#5. So says the guy who never goes to a match. Read the article, Frail is talking about young talent. If you knew anything about football you would know that young players do not always reach their potential and even those who do can be inconsistent.

#2. And you know all about it from India? Are you buying a season ticket? Maybe from India you don't know that Neilson has been a very consistent right back for many seaons, even earned a full international cap as well as captaining the under 21's on a few occassions. Perhaps what you are saying is that you know more about players than the professionals who gave Neilson international honours?
8

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/03/2008 07:52:41
Interesting to see the talent doing so well in all the Leagues.

Spl...Wee team above BIG TEAM

Reserves... Wee team above BIG TEAM

Under 19's... Wee team above BIG TEAM.

Well done Stevie your boys are doing sooooooo well.
9

StockportJambo,

20/03/2008 08:09:17
#7 - fully paid up member of Manchester Hearts mate, and go to several games a year. Next one will be Dundee Utd on the 29th of this month.

Next unfounded accusation?

There's inconsistant and then there's rubbish. Calum Elliot for example has been consistantly awful for both Hearts and Motherwell for two seasons now. Mole looks like a fish out of water every time I've seen him play. When will it end? God help the club if we're seriously pinning our hopes on those two.
10

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 08:20:03
Little rumour going about Celtic will be signing Fletcher in the summer

Hearts getting Chris killen.
11

TRUTH WINS,

musselburgh 20/03/2008 08:36:09
#10
Just what Hearts need - another injury prone striker....
12

Eskbank Jambo,

Dalkeith 20/03/2008 08:51:24

Another case of Mr Frail desperately seeking the positives from another very poor performance and result.

I think that it is time he admitted that this is the best that he can muster from this squad and let the owner know as much.

I am unsure whether a proper manager could improve results with this squad, or whether SF could improve the results with a better squad.

Either way, action must be taken.

13

SouthSideHibs,

20/03/2008 08:58:23
Meanwhile in other news....

"Heart of Midlothian will report record debts of £37-38m when they publish their accounts for the financial year ended July 2007 within a fortnight. The Edinburgh club, owned by the Lithuanian Vladimir Romanov, owed £28.4m in 2006; the increased losses are almost entirely down to exorbitant annual staff costs.
Hearts stress, however, that the borrowings are within the £40m limit which was put in place at the annual general meeting a year ago and that there are no plans to raise that ceiling."

And yes, I know, it's likely owing money to a member of your family.
14

Eskbank Jambo,

Dalkeith 20/03/2008 09:03:17

#13

source?

would be interested to read the whole article.
15

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:05:31
#13

I suppose the 5million+ used to buy the land next to tynecastle etc would not be included in that also?
16

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 09:06:38
#14 http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2266678,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=sport
17

SouthSideHibs,

20/03/2008 09:07:32
Eskbank, that is the whole article.
18

Eskbank Jambo,

Dalkeith 20/03/2008 09:08:24

Cheers Graham
19

Eskbank Jambo,

Dalkeith 20/03/2008 09:12:11

#17, just read the 'whole article'.

difficult to know what is and isn't included, will need to see a copy of the annual report to figure that out.

Borrowings 'appear' to be within agreed limits, ergo, what's the fuss?

20

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 09:13:12
#17 Except for the bit that says:
"It is also notable that Craig Gordon, the Scotland goalkeeper, was sold to Sunderland for more than £7m - rising to £9m based on appearances - last August. A deal is provisionally in place to sell Roman Bednar to West Bromwich this summer for £2m. Steven Pressley and Paul Hartley have left Tynecastle and they and Gordon were understood to have commanded basic salaries of £1.2m between them.
The scale of Hearts' debts, owed in the main to Ukio Bankas, a bank owned by Romanov and Ukio Bankas Investment Group, the parent company, will still cause alarm in certain quarters. About £1m has been spent on a plan to redevelop Tynecastle's main stand and surrounding area at a full cost of £51m in a bid to increase long-term profitability. However, the team have struggled on the pitch. Last season they finished fourth in the league and did not qualify for Europe; this campaign sees the team currently lying seventh.

Romanov, who has put the team in the hands of the caretaker Stephen Frail since January, has stated his desire to appoint a full-time manager with "experience of British football", and Motherwell's Mark McGhee is the clear frontrunner. Craig Levein, presently in charge of Dundee United, will also come into contention."

21

Hysterical Jambow,

20/03/2008 09:13:59
#8

And how many times has this happened in the last 100 years!!!!??

Once you can do it consistently you can consider trying to label Hibs the "Big Team"!
22

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:17:07
#20

Interesting mcghee being mentioned after what I said a few weeks agao regarding mcghee coming to us, have the media gotten wind of something?????
23

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 09:18:23
So... nearly at the limit of our borrowing, but £10m-ish in transfer funds to come in, wage bill trimmed (by less than I thought - £1.2m for Gordon, Hartley AND Pressley? Thats about £7k a week each...)

£1m spent on the stadium plans already? That's a lot to pay for a smokescreen, ain't it?

And a proper, in print, rumour about McGhee.

Actually, if the accounts are as suggested, it's worse than I'd thought it would be. But hopefully this is as bad as it'll get, the fact that they're not looking to raise the level of borrowing suggests we've got a better grip on things now.
24

Terrible Trio,

Lancashire 20/03/2008 09:22:27
9* See you in Merchiston Club. Son going up with coach, I will already be in Edinburgh'

I agree with your comments, it seems to me Jam Tarts 1874 is always right and what everyone else thinks is wrong. I am sure he is Stevie Frail.

WE can only judge young players on what we see and not their potential, and I don't think Mole or Elliot have improved in last 2 years. AS for Neilson in my opinion he never deserved a Scottish cap. There have been a few numpties in Scotland shirt in past.

I think we need a better coaching staff .

Don't forget we scraped a point against a side with one eye on cup, who subsequently got beat at home to a first division side.
25

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:22:45
Graham at the AGM last year it was mentioned that the level of debt increase was required for operating costs, and also to purchase land for development, yet however the money spent buying that land hasnt been mentioned, I was led to believe 5million was used to secure the nursery land and adult education centre land, and a further 1.5million was needed to replace the nursery, if this is just a case of it will show in the actual report then fair enough the level isnt that bad as this is land that was needed anyway, but if that hasnt been included then you could add a further 6.5million to that.
26

Eskbank Jambo,

Dalkeith 20/03/2008 09:25:28

#25
would that not require an extension to the borrowing limit??

and i believe that they have stated that there is no requirement to do so.
27

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 09:30:07
#25 That's a very good point. I'm assuming the Gordon money will come in to reduce the debt, but if the £38m doesn't include the cost of that land, then it's straight back out the door isn't it?
I guess we don't know for sure until the accounts appear, but as I say - worse than I expected, but as they're almost a year out of date anyway there's always going to be a fair bit of guesswork to find out our current position!
28

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:35:50
#26
Yes but if they are taking into account as Graham says the transfer money still not counted for which wont appear until the next financial year then no it would require increasing the level.
29

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:37:20
#26
Sorry meant to say as well, it could also be a case that money is part of the increased debt and it just hasnt been shown in the guardian, it could something they have missed ot, as has been said we wont know exactly till the exact financial report is released.
30

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 09:45:27
JT&T - I'm sure the talented journos at the EEN are scurrying around right now, calling up their contacts, delving into what info they can find, and finding out as much as they possibly can about the story and we'll get the full run down this afternoon.
No stone unturned those guys, real professionals. Certainly won't be a lazy cut and paste job from the Guardian article. Oh no.
31

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 09:53:11
#30
Haha the EEN wouldnt do that would they??

I wonder if they will also be scurrying around trying to find out info on the mcGhee part of that story, I cant see the Guardian would say he is a frontrunner with Levein second if they maybe didnt know something or have heard somthing, if it was just speculation or rumour they would say so.
32

JC_No7,

20/03/2008 10:05:34
Bearing in mind the numbers that have been released in the Guardian do all the Mole / Elliot baiters think it is still justified to throw their toys out the pram because Hearts are trying to develop their young players?

As Chas Niceass always says, we were spoilt rotten a few years ago, and all you Mole / Elliot baiters bought all the champs league rubbish we were fed a few years ago. Now you feel that you have been made a fool of and rant at Elliot / Mole / Miko to make yourseleves feel better.

Interesting to note the difference between Hibs and Hearts fans when it comes to youth coming through their systems. Hibs kids only need to pass the ball to each other and they are hailed as world beaters with flair. Hearts kids misplace a pass and howls of derision descend from the stands.

Which environment will be more successful for young players development, which environment would you want to play in?

Get behind the team FFS
33

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 10:10:04
I keep telling you how the con trick operates.

The debt is created by taking money OUT of Hearts not by spending money on assets.

The loan fees go to Kaunas.
The players wages go to Kaunas.
The family are on the clubs payroll doing ..well what?
Friends are paid club salaries and its any ones guess where it goes.What do these people do for Hearts?

The entourage drive around in cars paid for by you and me.
Their accommodation is paid for by the club.
They eat out at Hearts expense.
They fly around the world and bill the club.

They pocket transfer fees and generally do as they please.

Romanov has invested nil in Hearts.

He and his cronies have burdened Hearts with a £40 million debt that is growing as I type.

They are practiced at ripping people off .

That is the agenda.Live a life of luxury off HOM.
Their fans will support that action.

Its wakey wakey time.

34

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 10:12:58
#33

yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn

Boring, change the record son.
35

TheMoth,

Petrie's Wallet 20/03/2008 10:54:03
Hello, been away for a bit.

This was a strange plaice yesterday, so I'll start of with a wee joke...

Two parrots standing on a perch, one turns to the other and says 'can you smell fish?'...

As for the story, my views are thus...

It's all well and saying that the majority of our first team are from our youth set-up but if we are having such a miserable season is that something we should be crowing about? On the other hand though it is the first season of prolonged involvment for Driver and Jonsson so you would be expecting an improvment next season...unless some genius loans them out to make space for some cheap and decidedly un-cheerfull Kaunas imports.

It is perhaps unfair of me however to insinuate that our dreadfull form is down to the younger players as all the experienced pros they should be learning from are constantly suspended, injured, at other tournaments or warming the bench with Vlad-flu and the lack of structured managment and coaching for most of the season is hardly the environment for seasoned pros to flourish let alone young rookies (regardless of hoe talented they are).

Once we sort out this long and protracted managment issue then I think we will see a vast improvment from Elliot, Mole, Jonsson and Driver and hopefully the likes of Mackle, McGowan, Park, Copil (if he pulls up his socks) Glen and Mulrooney will make apearances in one form or another...On this topic, how are Wagner and Rapnik coming along?
36

Lenny,

20/03/2008 10:54:34
Interesting reading re the accounts. Not all surprising however. The amount of Hibees that were shot down and ridiculed when they had the cheek to suggest Hearts debt would be 40M too. Well looks like they were correct after all.

So am I right in saying that IF the new stand gets built the debt will be 91M?? Nothing to worry about at all....
37

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:06:11
#36
welcome back Moth

#37
Lenny in theory the debt could rise to that or we will say borrowings from the company that already own us, but as was stated yesterday and has been reported Hearts are seeking 31million in private investment for the redevelopment, if this is obtained then the overall borrowings would be approx 61million, bearing in mind that is not including some 14 million or so unaccounted transfer fees, which will not show on this years accounts they will not show until next year.

once the redevelopment is complete, what most people dont realise Hearts will not only be making money just from the football side of things but also from sources outwith, the hotel, restaurant, bars, appartments that will be for sale, extra business revenue from corporate facilities which wont just be used for matchdays, then there is the extra match day revenue, all told the business plan sates an estimated 5million+ revenue per year. and it taking between 12 and 15 years to cmpletely wipe the debt and make Hearts a self sustaining business both on the field from a football aspect and off the field as well, Thats asuming no other ventures are taken on board between now and then to create even more revenue.
38

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 11:09:36
The detail of this Robbery will emerge.

The facts are staring everyone in the face.

Romanov has fleeced Hearts.
He spends the clubs money as his own and bills the club for maintaining his life of luxury.

Minus £40 million with nothing to show for it.
The club has been turned into a joke.

Long time Hearts fans like me are raging .
The new breed of plonkers who believe that Romanov is investing in the club are speechless.

39

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 11:12:30
#36 Two fish in a tank, one turns to the other and says "Do you know how to drive this thing?"

We do seem to have a few decent young players, problem is we don't have enough decent experienced guys - Banks, Kingston, and.... ??
As we all know, you dinnae win anything wi' kids. Realistically if we don't get a few guys in with a bit more experience we're not going to do anything of note for the next season or two - but if we can keep the youngsters together for a few years we could be in a very strong position. As you say all dependent on the actions of that "genius"!
A proper manager could get a decent team out of what we have already, without too much expenditure, not OF challenging levels but certainly good enough to be in with a strong shout for 3rd. And that's without major cash injection. But... who knows.
40

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:14:09
TommyTommy

Long time hearts fan????

I would doubt that very much son, even IF you are a Hearts fan which i doubt, your posts suggest your not old enough to remember wallace mercer and the state the club was in before he took over.

try changing the record your posts are now boring and tiresome and are in fact making you look like a retard, do you not have anything new to contribute? how about talking about the team for once if your genuinely a fan.
41

Lenny,

20/03/2008 11:16:21
JT&T

I know that you are trying to see things postively and are just sticking up for your team but the continue rising of debt seems crazy.

And I'm sure you are aware about the Financial problems around the world. I doubt very much that investment will be as easy to come by just now. The property market at the moment has been affected by the Banks shares crash.

Ach, I guess there is not a lot you can do other than support Vlad and believe. It has probably got to the stage where it is too late to do anything anyway. Im just glad its not my team!
42

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 11:17:10
38

Iv'e never read so much nonsense in my life.

You need to get real mate.

If any institution is mad enough to invest in this hair brained project then they deserve what they get.

The only certainty in among your make believe is that Hearts debt will rise and rise as long as Hearts fans allow the Romanov clique to rip them off.
43

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:21:56
Lenny remember some 20million+ was a debt there when Vlad took us over, if you were to take off all the transfer fees that have come in since just last august and those that will be coming in (Bednar) then the actually level of debt has probably only risen by a couple of million, its not a case of believing and sticking up for Vlad m8, its a case of looking at things logically, people like your tom farmers, david murrays and Vlads did not become multi millionaires by just throwing money away
44

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:28:13
#45

OK would you like to tell that to the financial experts and business planners that have quoted those figures. perhaps Vlad will employ you since you seem to know so much and know better than those doing the job....muppet

P.S. before you start with anymore gorgski comments the financial planners and those that drew up the business plan etc are in fact British just on case you think it was over inflated figures or guess work by Lithuanians.
45

Lenny,

20/03/2008 11:34:17
JT&T

Seriously mate, I am looking at this logically. I would be very worried if it was my team. The debt is still increasing every year even though the product on the park is decreasing. To me that makes no sense.

46

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:36:24
#47

Not the most intelligent person are you ?

read this slowly or ask someone to explain it to you.

The 38 million debt is for the financial year august 2006 - august 2007

Since August 2007 there have been something like 10 million in transfer fees brought in with a further 2million minimum still to come in summer (Bednar)

Wage bills have also been reduced, operating costs reduced etc.

So now that we are now in the financial year that will take into account those transfer fees that have came in does your maths still add up to we would only have 2million?
47

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

20/03/2008 11:36:32
TommyTommy a Long time Hearts fan!!!!!!

oh my god things are worse than i thought next thing you know biley/latj will be claiming to be a Hearts fan.

You are a Celtic fan Tommy you're fooling no-one
48

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 11:40:46
Well thats the financial world put to right by JTT.

Perhaps this financial wizard can enlighten us.

WHATMG? WHATMG? WHATMG?

Oh silly me for talking in abbreviation speak.

I realised the financial wizard would understand.

For the benefit of other readers.

Where has all the money gone?
Where has all the money gone?
49

LionheartFodithman,

20/03/2008 11:41:46
#47
Now then.
That is a valid point and if you read every article going back about 2 years you will find just about every Jambo voicing the same concerns.
The debt thing though is a different matter,that has become the holy grail for the Hobo.Scouring the web for any snippet of info to get on these boards with their mind blowing scoop.

Anyway,to stop the impending doom and the threat of administration that is looming over Tynecastle i would be very interested to hear what solution the Hobonomical experts would propose we do about it.
50

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:45:19
#51

Have i claimed to be a financial expert? but by the looks of it i certainly know more than you do about finance.

No-one is grasping at straws if anyone is doing that its silly hibs fans grasping at straws trying to find anything they can to use against us at the moment and their wishfull thinking that Vlad does fail, because god forbid he might just actualy succeed and thats scares the sh1t our of hibs fans.

All ive stated is FACTS can be easily checked up if you know how to. Ive stated what the real "Financial experts" have said that is all, thats not grasping at straws, but being a hibs fan you would know best wouldnt you, since your all financial experts
51

Santa,

greenland 20/03/2008 11:48:14

A couple of facts on Hearts debt what ever it turns out to be.
1. The old ticket office building has not become a Hearts asset. It was purchased from Mercers Estate by UAB BUSINESSLINE a Lithuanian company.Source, Scottish Land Register.
2. Similarly, the social work building ,car park etc. are still owned by the Council and leased to Hearts.
Source, Ditto.
3.The Ukio Bankas are borrowing money, 27 million eur. from Irish lenders at a rate of 8.45% per annum.What rate are Hearts paying ? Source Ukio bankas accounts for 2007, page 39.
52

Lenny,

20/03/2008 11:53:52
JT&T

If Im honest I was originally very worried that Vlad would succeed. Espec when you had Burley in charge and looked like having a team that really could challenge for the League. Obviously history shows that one by one Vlad dissmantled that team from the top to the bottom. Since then it has been steadily down hill. I can say that in all honesty I have now worries at all about Vlad succeding. There are really no signs to say he will. I do understand however that you pretty much have no choice other than hope he will.
53

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:54:43
#55
UKIO are borrowing 21million pound, is it not a done thing in the banking industry for banks to borrow from each other, 21million isnt even a drop in the ocean compared to what bigger banks borrow, ie HBOS, Bank of England.
54

Prof,

20/03/2008 11:55:36
Amazing every time there is a story about Hearts players, it is immediately flooded with posts from Hubz droning on about debt. Two things are apparent about their comments, their crocodile tears of concern about Hearts and their lack of knowledge of international finance. For Hubz supporters - there is more to finance than stepping into a bookies in ER with a Sun tucked under your arm.
55

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 11:58:30
#57

Your head wouldnt need to spin if you werent so obssessed with Hearts and their finances.

If it gives you a sore head perhaps start concentrating on your own team, or will that make it worse?
56

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 12:01:37
#55 You've read the Ukio Bankas accounts?? Good lord! Have you nothing else to do with yourself?
It is awfy good of you guys to do so much research into Eastern European banking for us! And council applications, world financial crises, and so on. Although I did ask one of the Hibees to tell me when my dinner was ready last night, and no-one did. That was a shame, it went cold. I'm out for dinner tonight though, could someone check what time the reservation is? I'm sure you'd all hate for me to miss it.
But I do appreciate your "concern", by the way UAB Businessline - who they? Another part of Romanovs empire? Owned by one of his pals? Or, by a stunning coincidence, did a completely unrelated Lithuanian company decide to buy land in Gorgie?
57

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 12:03:10
59

Well thats that then eh?
Problem solved by the prof

WHATMG?
58

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 12:04:58
#61
I gave you my opinion, which is based on the business plan, made up by people that know far more about financial matters than everyone on these forums put together.

I also saod the your farmers, murrays and vlads did not get to the financial status they are at by throwing away millions of pounds, im sure all 3 of them will have been involved in far bigger and grander projects at some time in their lives than what vlad is taking on at Hearts
59

victorian,

20/03/2008 12:07:55
another staggering display of ignorance and mischief making.

sad beyond description.
60

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 12:08:06
Graham

I wouldn't want you to miss your dinner tonight but take my advice and be sure that if your paying by plastic your not over your limit.

And by the way it is 7.30pm
61

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 12:08:42
#66

I suppose being one of their employees you would know.

graham watch out m8 the hobo is gonna spike your burger in hope you choke on it.
62

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 12:12:32
#69 Do we know which branch he works at? I'll be sure to avoid it.
63

TommyTommy,

20/03/2008 12:13:20
70

Your right .He did.

Over to the financial wizard
64

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 12:16:51
my opinion is it will work, happy?

I dont expect you to agree with me because you are of the opinion you WANT it to fail. you dont want to look at the overall picture, in the sense a hotel in edinburgh will make money, Edinburgh is always short of accomodation especially at certain times of the year summer and festival times and festive periods.The hotel is fairly central on main bus routes and also close to the new tram systems being placed in the city. the corporate will gain revenue the sale of accomodation, again edinburgh is in short supply of housing so these will be snapped up, it is very likely outside investment groups will invest in this project. 5million extra revenue per annum for this isnt a great deal of extra considering what is being planned and it could turn out to be higher.
65

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 12:17:48
#74 Priceless. You deliberately misunderstand my reasonably well-formed grammatically correct statement to have yet another go at Hearts, and follow it up with "And to think you have to pretend to be able to afford one" - which, and correct me if I'm wrong, is a random selection of words?
66

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 12:23:31
#74

Ill ask you now, do you think it will work Hibs building a new stand?

I dont see the point myself considering you cant even fill your present ground to capacity, why increase it? is that so there are more of the empty seat fan club on dispay?
67

Santa,

greenland 20/03/2008 12:35:29
#58 Its not borrowing money that's the issue,its the rate of 8.45% The banks customers ie. Hearts must be paying 10% or 11%.
#62 Just correcting a couple of posters who seem to think Hearts have acquired some new assets for all this expense.
UAB Businessline is a Romanov company, or at least part of UBIG.
By the way, its not a case of when your tea is,more like you've had your chips !!!!
68

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 12:41:05
#78 Yes. I'm the headmaster at Watsons. Because obviously he's the only person in the world who knows how to construct a sentence. Eh?
69

JamboThrough&Through,

20/03/2008 12:41:49
#79

Its cost you to build it though hasnt it?

Money that could have been used to pay players a decent wage to keep them at your club, or to buy in replacements of similar standing. live within your means you tell us, so hibs should do the same live within their means, no need to expand when they cant fill the present ground... quite simple really, something id have thought all you financial experts at easter road would have worked out by now.
70

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 12:55:14
#83 "Jean" Brodie. Honestly! What is your English Lit teacher doing to you? I'm going to have to have words with her!

Fine, you got the grammar wrong, but you got it so wrong I couldn't work out what you were trying to say. So if you just tell me what the sentence "And to think you have to pretend to be able to afford one." meant, we can go back to a vaguely sane discussion.
71

GrahamL,

20/03/2008 14:02:04
#85 It will do all of those things and more. It'll solve world hunger, cure cancer and make a big old rainbow circle the world.

Look, you came on and said you hoped I choked on a burger, I had diligently ignored your semi-coherent ramblings to that point. You then followed it up with a sentence that made no sense. All I sugested was that you tell me what you meant to say. Why did that make you so angry? Do you not know what you meant to say? Maybe if you break it down into small words that'll help. Or could you draw a picture in crayon, and ask a grown up to help you turn your pictures into words.
72

Laughing at The Jambos,

20/03/2008 17:05:06
#43 TOMMY TOMMY

I'm wi' you son...........the debt is the only thing that's higher than last year at Tomb-Castle!!
73

Laughing at The Jambos,

20/03/2008 17:09:41
#49 JT and T

OK, Mr Financial expert........all these transfers fees have been received and were paid in full........highly unlikely these days........and the overhead cutting consists of wgat exactly???...You still seem to have a helluva lorra big salaries still gettin shelled out, from (interestingly) Romanov Jnr. right on down!!
74

Laughing at The Jambos,

20/03/2008 17:11:53
#50 THE GORGY BOYS WHO'RE FEART TAE GO TAE PARKHEID

Can't spk. for reily Muchacho.......but ME?.......of course I'll take Vlad's coin......just like all the others that are stuffin' you guys financially for the NEXT £38M !!!
75

Laughing at The Jambos,

20/03/2008 17:15:12
JT and T
Can you tell us Mr. Finance expert just precisely what the DCF will be on a debt of £38M over let's say, initially 5 years, then Oh...let's say 15 years?
Simple intit...but humour us Muchacho Eh??
76

Surelynot,

Edinburgh 21/03/2008 00:07:17
#90 Why don't you tell us? Is DCF the apppropriate measure for debts in any case? THought that it measured investment. Ah, investment does not sit with your personal agenda tho' Mr Hamish. Maybe you should be looking at some ROI measures. NPV may be the most appropriate. See! Easy to use TLA's.
You ask all the questions, Mr Hamish. Why not provide some answers?
Start with what team you support...
Why you changed from Riley Hamish to LATJ?
Why you claim to be a seeker of truth when you are a wind-up merchant?
Why you think you are some sort of victim when you display all the characteristics of a bully?
Why you never post anything that is about football in terms of the players or performances?
Why you have a personal vendetta against people who appear to be trying manfully to post about Hearts?
Why you and Riley call people 'Sir' as a put down and not a respectful term?
I'll not hold my breath for an answer to any of these. Mr Hamish.
77

Laughing at The Jambos,

21/03/2008 11:15:47
#91 SURLY TOT
I'll take yer points basically just as they come "sir".....which I've always been told was a term of respect during my upbringing, but if your own didn't make it clear, then that sir, is really NOT a matter for me..OK?.
DCF is an ideal vehicle for assessing the nature of the return on any investment of the kind made, assuming that one can find an asset commensurate with the money spent...and that SEEMS to be the problem...who knows what Hearts have in player investment???, because the "ownership"of the staff is not in the public domain with any robustness. As you SHOULD know, a Return on Investment figure is impossible to gauge here, and even if it WERE appropriat, it's not likely to look very good. As for Net Presnt Value...same kinda thing applies....I mean, who'd like to assess the value of Playerx at Tynie this season, and who'd be brave enough to write it into the books with any certainty...YOU maybe Sir??
As regards the team I support...that's not your business...but I will repeat that I support EVERY tam in Scotland when they play the OF...beyond that is MY business, what's it to you anyhow?
(Sigh)..Yet Again !!... I'm the one and only, truly original LATJ....(and proud to provide a coronary inducing free service to jambos) and post ONLY under that name......(and I don't give a tinkers curse WHAT you have to say on that one Muchacho..OK?)
Seeker of truth/Wind up merchant???....Can you SELL wind-ups??...am I missing a business opportunity here??
Do you claim I bully you Sir?? Please explain....I mean, am I not well outnumbered by Jambos on this Jambo site...bullying of you lot in cyberspace is such an odd charge for you to lay at MY door !!
Football postings...I provide them regularly...it's just that (perhaps understandably) YOU don't like them....Life's a bitch Eh, Muchacho?.
No personal vendetta, unless I'm attacked for my own views....and certainly intend to continue to give as good as I get..OK?. (O
78

Laughing at The Jambos,

21/03/2008 11:16:49
#91 SURLY TOT CONT'D
No personal vendetta, unless I'm attacked for my own views....and certainly intend to continue to give as good as I get..OK?. (Otherwise...yough t1ttie...get used to it!!)
"You and Riley"........I see...so we ARE two people then??......are you confused??...please make up your mind Muchacho!!. Fact is, I don't know owt about Reily, never ever seen a post by him, but he clearly upset you guys, and in consequence I'd just love to shake his hand (just as much as you guys would like to wring his neck I'll warrant)....but I admit, he's an OK kinda guy to me if he gets you mugs wound up in such irate fashion. Nice one Reily, Son !!...and if he calls people "sir" as well, then I can only assume that he is a well-brought-up purveyor of truth and highlighter of the daft and deluded, all of which strikes me as a man on a noble mission.
That enough of an answer for you Muchacho????
79

Laughing at The Jambos,

21/03/2008 17:26:15
#91 SURLY TOT

Haven't you gone quiet Muchacho???
Back to bed after yer embarrassing posts then was it?

 

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