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Henry believes World Cup should hold no fears for resurgent Scotland



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Published Date: 23 July 2008
WHEN Scotland failed to qualify for the finals of Euro 2008, many members of the Tartan Army sought solace in the fact that it was the World Cup finalists, France and Italy, who had finished above Alex McLeish's team.
That sense of consolation may have diminished during the finals themselves, as France failed to get out of their group and Italy were knocked out in the quarter-finals, but Thierry Henry, for one, believes Scots should still take heart from the last campaign.

The Barcelona striker, in the country for his club's matches against Hibernian tomorrow night and Dundee United on Saturday, is convinced Scotland can look forward with optimism to the World Cup qualifiers which begin this autumn, and suggested that being in the same group as the Netherlands should not be a cause of undue gloom.

"If Scotland hadn't lost in Georgia then it would've been very difficult for us to qualify," he recalled of the Euro matches.

"So it was possible for you to qualify right up until the very end. So with the qualification for the World Cup coming up I don't see why you should be scared of any team. You have already proved you can beat the best teams in the world."

That narrow failure under McLeish is regarded in some quarters with a sense of resignation as a high-water mark for the national team. The pessimistic prognosis sees George Burley, McLeish's successor, struggling to inspire his team to reach the heights they did in moments such as the victory in Paris.

That analysis is based on the notion that the squad over-achieved, and that with some key players approaching retirement we could be approaching a fallow period for the side. Henry, however, sees things differently.

Although he admits to being no expert on Scottish football, he has been surprised by the feeling of defeatism which exists in so many parts of the game here, and among so many supporters.

Henry finds it hard to comprehend a mentality which, at its most stereotyped, thinks Scottish players are no good, that positive results are invariably caused by good luck, and that even if the odd decent player does somehow emerge from this country we can expect a very long wait before a second one turns up. "We played against Scotland twice last year when we met in the qualifiers for the European championships," he added. "You beat us twice so there's no doubt you have good players."

Of course, in retrospect it is possible to see that France were already some way past their best when they played Scotland. Having just managed to qualify for the finals, they were dismal in the tournament itself in Switzerland and Austria in June, and their failure to reach the last eight spelled the end of their international career for several members of the team. Yet, while diplomatic and willing to flatter his hosts to an extent, Henry baulked when asked if he thought the tournament had been poorer because of the absence of Scotland.

"I don't know if Scotland would've done better," he said. "We didn't play well and were poor this summer, we know that. I suppose it is easy to sit and say that you could've done better and got further than the team who went in your place, but we will never know. All I know is that we didn't play well and the teams who qualified from the groups and got to the final deserved to. Spain were deserved winners, we can't have any argument about that."

The full article contains 606 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

23/07/2008 00:55:19
Scotland fans only fear is that Barry Ordinary Ferguson recovers from injury. If this wee snubnosed keech plays then it seriously damages Scotland's chances of winning anything. We don't want whining little losers in the Scotland team.
2

jerrymanders,

Tell it like it is... 23/07/2008 01:01:09
#1

Stop sitting on the fence. Are you for him or against him?
3

bring them on,

23/07/2008 01:02:30
Tim

I see you have started off the way you usually finish.

No easy build up today...
4

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:02:48
Such class Tim regarding an injured footballer.
5

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:04:34
bto

How are you?

Yes lets see how long this thread lasts, James and Casual Observer did quite a number getting the Kennedy thread closed down.
6

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:07:41
Was looking at the FIFA rankings with Brazil @ # 2

Surprises me as they have lost 2 WC qualifiers on the trot.
7

bring them on,

23/07/2008 01:09:53
Dailly

OF comments have been getting out of hand on some of the threads. Can't blame the Scotsman for taking action.

On the FIFA rankings, if you lose to diddies you lose less points.
8

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:14:47
bto

You are spot on regarding some of the posters. Saturday I was told by a poster I supported bigotry and sectarianism.
9

bring them on,

23/07/2008 01:24:03
Dailly

They usually only say it about my dad, rather than me.

Wears a bit thin after a while.

Aftera ll all these great friendly results that Celtic are having. you would think their fan's attantion would be focused there.

Or perhaps they are trying to draw attention away......
10

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:26:05
bto

Balde on for the last half hour nodded the ball across for Van Hes. to get the equaliser.
11

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:28:42
I wonder if Balde would come on a free? Play for less wages after he gets his big pay off, just to show WGS he can do a job.

We were going to sign Shittu, a poor mans Bobo!
12

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:38:26
12 thepundit

I agree about his abilities, much the same as Shittu's.

But it would be interesting. lol
13

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:42:41
14

Balde certainly does not have a lot of mileage put on those legs the last 2 seasons, should be well rested.
Time to email WS. lol
14

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:50:09
Naw, a lot of their supporters dont like him either.

I think the support have to get behind him, a couple of early goals should give him some confidence, and get the crowd of his back.
15

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:57:08
bto

Working again are you?
16

bring them on,

23/07/2008 01:57:36
One wee friendly wave from Ally Mc from the dugout and every supporter will be behind KM.

It's good for him that there is a Celtic game early in the season.

As long as he doesn't score an own goal, all will be well.

SO KM, stay in the Celtic half of the field, mate.
17

bring them on,

23/07/2008 01:58:17
Dailly

It's a hard life. Moving house, working....

Wasn't meant to be like this.
18

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 01:58:42
Be back in while, anyone spoke to Swordsman?
19

bring them on,

23/07/2008 02:01:06
Dailly

He came on briefly last night my time to slag off one my jokes. No sign since then.

Dark roon and sunglasses after the Celtic performance?
20

Daillyman,

23/07/2008 02:05:12
bto

I had an operation a couple of months back, when I got back to the office they were waiting with the golden handshake ( I was waiting for it coming I just turned 56).

The severance was terrific and the company pension kicks in in 18 months.

The wife is an accountant and is continuing to work, I am loving being Mr. Mum to her and our Yorkie.

I have her tea ready for her coming in and all is well.

No more working and my next move will be in a 6' box.
21

bring them on,

23/07/2008 02:32:29
Dailly

If I'm no careful it won't be the golden handshake, but the less preferable steel toe-capped boot
22

Bemused and above it all,

23/07/2008 05:49:43
pundit, bto, daillyman, aka chico, harpo and groucho. You lot come across as having a combined age of 21, yet groucho tells us he is over 50. Very odd!

"lol" "lol" "soooo" "pat mcgroin". Chico, I note you running around any thread where you can comment and taking an absolute pasting from everyone and anyone.

What a bunch of juankers.

Hows kenny misser doing.

lol.lol.lol
23

bring them on,

23/07/2008 06:06:32
#27

I wanted to be groucho.....
24

Scoop in the City,

23/07/2008 07:37:41
"If you hadn't lost in Georgia - it would have been very difficult for us to qualify". Very true Thierry, Can you remind us the names of the Old Firm players that decided that they were 'injured' for that game.
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old firm,

23/07/2008 07:38:51
Oh my aching sides!!


Murray's Blueprint
The Herald, March 2000
KEN GALLACHER
Just as promised, Rangers are moving on to another level from the rest of Scottish football, as chairman David Murray announced a new investment of £53m for the Ibrox club, with a further massive cash boost soon to follow.

The eventual cash injection could soar as high as £80m as Murray guides the club into what he believes will be a new, golden era for the Scottish champions. The money involved, the biggest financial boost for any Scottish football club, will enable them to move into Europe's elite over the next few years. Yesterday, however, Murray maintained, as always, that he will not turn his back on Scottish football to play in any other league, and that while he remains in charge of the club, he will retain a responsibility to the domestic game."

It is clear from this latest move, however, that the Glasgow giants are setting an agenda that no other Scottish club can match - and that appears to include their Old Firm rivals, Celtic, who are trailing by 15 points in the Premier League championship and are now looking at a financial gap which the Parkhead club might not be able to bridge. There have been hints around Glasgow that Celtic could be ready to attempt a share flotation of their own, but it would seem unlikely they would be able to match the financial clout that Murray has put together. The Ibrox chairman promised his shareholders good news and a more prudent financial strategy at the last annual meeting of the club. He has now delivered this by taking on board several very heavy financial hitters, South African-based David King is worth around £300m - £20m of which he is investing in the club he followed as a young man in Glasgow."

The Ibrox chairman has spent several months and many sleepless nights piecing together the plans which will eliminate Rangers' debt, currently sitting at around £40m, provide finance for the new training centre and the socce
26

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:39:26
The Ibrox chairman has spent several months and many sleepless nights piecing together the plans which will eliminate Rangers' debt, currently sitting at around £40m, provide finance for the new training centre and the soccer academy which will be housed there, and still allow cash to invest in new players. He said: 'I want to make it clear from the outset that while our small shareholders, our supporters who have an interest in the club, will have the opportunity to invest again if they want, there is no pressure on them to do so. The bulk of the rights issue is being taken up by myself and David King and some other smaller investors, including Alastair Johnston, who is a long-time Rangers' supporter.'

'We also have Trevor Hemmings coming in as an investor and Tom H***** will join us some time in the future. Essentially, the investment we require is in place and we also have a major media deal in the pipeline which is very exciting and will bring in further serious investment to the club. I told you earlier this week that I had run the club up to now on a high-risk strategy which has involved carrying large debt. These days are over. The whole method of running the club is going to change, because we are in a situation right now where we do not need to take the risks we have had to take in the past. We don't have to spend the same money on players, for example, as we have had to do over the past two years when we were restructuring the team after the arrival of Dick Advocaat. At the moment, we have two new players set for next season, Allan Johnston and Fernando Ricksen and Dick is looking for another quality striker. He is working hard on that right now.' 'Dick and myself know what we are aiming for.

We want to be in the Champions League every season. This is what we want for the club and this is what we have been working towards. However, we shall not be going on any wild spending sprees in the transfer market.' 'We have a player or two to add to the squa
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old firm,

23/07/2008 07:39:50
We want to be in the Champions League every season. This is what we want for the club and this is what we have been working towards. However, we shall not be going on any wild spending sprees in the transfer market.' 'We have a player or two to add to the squad - a top-class international front player, as I said, but we don't need to buy Numan, van Bronckhorst, Mols, Reyna, or McCann - because we have these lads in place already. Believe me when I tell you that we are going for it this time - we want to be successful in Europe, and the money we are raising now will take us there.'

'This is the last part of the jigsaw for me, but we shall always be a part of Scottish football and we will take our domestic responsibilities seriously. We respect the other teams in the Premier League and we know this news will make them try even harder against us. But, so be it. 'Barcelona don't win every week. Bayern Munich don't win every week. Manchester United don't win every week. Yet, our supporters expect us to do so and we shall always try to do that. What we do know is that to be in the Champions League, we have to win the Scottish title, and that is our aim every season. We shall always be here with our roots.'

However, the mega-deals Murray has been working on are sure to carry Rangers out of the reach of their rivals here at home and unless Celtic can somehow find the means to strengthen their own financial standing even the age-old rivalry between the Glasgow giants will be threatened as the Ibrox men grow ever stronger.
28

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:41:54
Is this what he was talking about? 1-0 V OAP combined reserves??

mwahahahahahahahaha


Clyde: Hutton (Cherrie 46), McGregor, Ohensorge, Higgins, Numan (Trouten 34), Brown, Gibson, Kettlewell (Wilson 87), Clark (McGowan 65), Albertz (McSwegan 47), Laudrup (MacLennan 47). Subs not used: Connelly, Murch.

Rangers: McGregor, Whittaker (Dailly 76), Broadfoot, Weir, Papac; Novo, Hemdani (Emslie 74), Thomson (Adam 60), McCulloch; Darcheville (Velicka 60), Miller (Boyd 60). Subs not used: MacLachlan, Furman, G.Smith.
29

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:43:46
"THE Rangers supporters who revelled in a reminder of a more glorious recent past for their club last night would have left Cumbernauld nursing a sense of concern over what the immediate future holds for them.

Kenny Miller, who was again jeered by a minority of Rangers supporters

Miller should have claimed his first goal back in Rangers colours in their next attack, Thomson and Darcheville combining to play him in on the left. The Scotland striker cut inside his marker but then shanked his shot wildly over the top.


Mwahhahahahahahahaha
30

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 07:45:00
A few comments about Celtic's pre season results from Gers fans

Yet no mention of the Gers getting beat 1-0 by the Shalke and struggling to Beat Clyde last night full of visiting ex Gers Geriatrics

Maybe The Pundit etal should concentrate on how poor his own team is

or is it a case that only Celtic's pre season games count ??
31

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 23/07/2008 07:46:53
I hope Kenny Miller does really well for Rangers (except against Aberdeen). He's had some bad luck, but he's a talented player and he gives it his all every game, and he deserves a break and a few good bounces of the ball. Barry Ferguson, on the other hand, could be injured from now till 2020 as far as I'm concerned as a Scotland supporter. (I'm not wishing the man personal harm, you understand, just enough to keep him and his ponderous backpasses out of the Scotland midfield.)
32

bring them on,

23/07/2008 07:54:41
Celtic will have to plan thier friendlies more carefully next year. See if they can arrange to play some team they can beat.

Must be someone.....

Any thoughts?
33

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:55:17
37#

Rangers?
34

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:57:42
37#

How do you think Murray's masterplan is coming along? You know, the one detailed above..hurrumph..

" Believe me when I tell you that we are going for it this time"

hurrumph....
35

old firm,

23/07/2008 07:58:38
"However, the mega-deals Murray has been working on are sure to carry Rangers out of the reach of their rivals here at home and unless Celtic can somehow find the means to strengthen their own financial standing even the age-old rivalry between the Glasgow giants will be threatened as the Ibrox men grow ever stronger".


I think I've spotted the flaw.......
36

old firm,

23/07/2008 08:01:12
Was it the Corgi's?

You know the one that went..."I could change the world"
37

old firm,

23/07/2008 08:02:56
" Believe me when I tell you that we are going for it this time"


..and the laptop loyal and most of the poor deluded Rangers fans did.......
38

old firm,

23/07/2008 08:05:24
"Dick and myself know what we are aiming for"


Misprint I suspect, should read...

"I am a Dick and don't understand what you are all blaming me for"
39

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 08:07:58
Old firm you better watch out

Sir Dodgy Dave's Lawyers may be reading this or the man himself

loooollllll
40

bring them on,

23/07/2008 08:08:27
#39

I think Rangers prefer to do their talking on the pitch.

As for your War and Peace epic posting, I coudnae give a to#s.
41

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 08:12:42
#45 -I think Rangers prefer to do their talking on the pitch.

is that like struggling to beat clyde or getting beat by Shalke

that's some fine talking by the Gers
42

bring them on,

23/07/2008 08:16:25
#46

Like no beating anyone....Now, who would that apply to..let me see...
43

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 08:19:39
#47 you appear to have a selective memory

Celtic have played 3 main pre season friendlies

lost one , drawn one and won one

kinda blows yer "like no beating anyone" statement out the water a bit

i guess if Celtic played Clyde rather than Middelsbrought we may have got another win

as it is we will just settle for a draw
44

bring them on,

23/07/2008 08:24:31
#48

Why did you think of Celtic?

You really have no confidence in your team.

Ah well, you can always write another novel which no one will respond to.

Not a great start to the day for you
Is it?



45

N B,

23/07/2008 08:46:38
I note that Celtic had another shakey performance in last nights friendly. Given that the club seems set on going into next season with the same squad as the last, it must be worrying times for the worldwide(Scotland & Ireland) Celtic fan base.

We welcome the chase.
46

old firm,

23/07/2008 08:56:32
50#

Worrying times?

Yeah, like f*** it is. Have you read the reports or seen any of the Rangers friendlies? Miller? Boos ringing out again? Boyd cheered when he replaces him but the cardigan wants him out? Oh yes, we're worried. I'm worried that I've paid a season ticket for CP which looks like it will have a meaningless OF fixture on it. Give it to November and we'll be outta sight...hello hello...4 in a row...6 more to go hello...hello..

Hows Murrays master plan coming along? On track?

Hurrumph.......
47

old firm,

23/07/2008 08:58:29
Worried anyone?? Clyde 0 Murrays master planners 1

Hurrumph



Rangers: McGregor, Whittaker (Dailly 76), Broadfoot, Weir, Papac; Novo, Hemdani (Emslie 74), Thomson (Adam 60), McCulloch; Darcheville (Velicka 60), Miller (Boyd 60). Subs not used: MacLachlan, Furman, G.Smith
48

old firm,

23/07/2008 09:00:15
Can anyone remind me what the major media deal was?


hurrumph



"we also have a major media deal in the pipeline which is very exciting and will bring in further serious investment to the club"

49

old firm,

23/07/2008 09:01:16
How much are you raking in from the leasing of your laptops to the City of London Police?
50

old firm,

23/07/2008 09:03:42
Oh wait a wee minute..was that why the hordes of knuckle draggers were chasing the lone policeman in Manchester? To ask if he could find out what had happened to Minty's (I want to rule the world but the Scottish refs and media will have to do) computers?
51

old firm,

23/07/2008 09:08:17
128 minutes Albertz Numan and Laudrup played between them last night, so 1-0 was a remarkable achievement against such quality. (and to think they hit us with "aye but Le Tissier played for 20 mins for Southampton")

Did John Grieg feature at any point last night? Gazza, flute in one hand pint glass in the other?


Mwahahahaha... 4 in a row coming your way soon...very soon...
52

old firm,

23/07/2008 09:10:17
Been a hoot guys, see you all soon...gonna check the odds for Kenny Miller to win the golden boot...I believe it's rated just below the chances of Elvis getting seen in that chip shop.........
53

old firm, ,

23/07/2008 09:14:31
Okay, okay, I admit it, I'm a little t0sser who was anally raped by James T0rnbutt the Celtic P&edophile.

It was good though. Torby was an great ghuy....
54

N B,

23/07/2008 09:14:42
#55 OldFud

What worries you most is that with one swish of his pen, Sir David could take the famous Glasgow Rangers back to the top table of the European transfer market. Instead he has got the club operating within the limited TV revenues available, with only a European Cup final to show for the new approach. Sir David recognises that no man is imortal and he must ready the good ship the famous Glasgow Rangers for handing over to its next navigator. He will handover a debt free club living within it's means, thus the millions that the new owners pump in will be seen on the park from day one.

We welcome the chase.
55

thebigiam,

23/07/2008 09:18:50
I'm a Celtic supporter, so shockingly I'm going to talk about... Scotland.

I'm not sure I think the Euro qualifiers was a high water mark. But I do wonder if Burley is right in employing more positive tactics. I think that playing one up front (either Miller or MacFadgen) really worked for us against the better teams. Going with two forwards... can see us getting picked off... Still. Hope my misgivings are misplaced..!
56

N B,

23/07/2008 09:21:17
#60 thebig

How do you think wee, Glasgow born and bred, Aiden McGadgie thinks about the Scotland team?
57

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 09:24:06
#49

wtf are you on about - old firm has been doing the long post not me so once again you do not appear to have a scoobie about what you are talking about

and as for having confidence in eltic i have loads - a team used to inning the league , plenty of time left to bring in new players as we are not under the gun to sign due to having no qualifiers for the champs league

and throw in the fact that most reports say that our biggest rivals are playing with no passion or invention

so i would say it's a great start to the day for me
58

James,,

23/07/2008 09:25:01
Nervous #59,

When did Rearrangers reach the European Cup Final?
59

N B,

23/07/2008 09:28:28
#63

In May 2008 Rangers played in a European Cup final, you silly bhoy.
60

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 09:30:47
#59

sir dodgy dave is a multi millionaire

however the big clubs are owned by billionaires

you are living in a fantasy world if you think dodgy Dave has the money or the volition to swish his pen anymore

and even if he did he still would not be able to compete with the big clubs to put the gers back "To the top table of the European transfer market"

those days for the old firm are gone

it appears that message has still not sunk in for mny o/f fans
61

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23/07/2008 09:32:00
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N B,

23/07/2008 09:34:47
#65 WibbleMonkey

"those days for the old firm are gone " LOL

Celtic never had them, they have always been a selling club.

Judging from your name, have I dealt with you before on the old BBC forum?
63

N B,

23/07/2008 09:37:01
Well it wasn't THE european cup but A european cup. Still, no doubt we'll bring the big one home in the next 5 years as soon as players like Smith, Broadfoot, Burke, Naismith etc get a few seasons euro experience under their belts.
64

wibblemonkey,

23/07/2008 09:39:39
yes nervous bear i was on the b.b.c site

and a few sites after that you got banned from due to your shall we say colorful view of the world

and strange that Celtic as a "selling club" in your eyes seem to be pissing all over the gers this Century and with recent years as a yard stick this looks like it will continue
65

James,,

23/07/2008 09:42:53
Nervous,

lol! You meant the UEFA Cup Final you silly billy!

By the way, #68 - what you on this morning?
66

N B,

23/07/2008 09:49:51
#68 Timposter in Da House

As the public record shows, Rangers played in a European Cup final in May 2008, their 4th final on the European stage.

We welcome the chase.
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Erchie Broon,

23/07/2008 09:51:43
Two nights ago I watched Rangers vs Moscow Dynamo (ECWC Final 1972) and last night I watched Aberdeen vs Real Madrid (ECWC Final 1983).We quickly forget how many really good Scottish players were in both teams and I wonder if in 10 or 20 years time we wont look back at the current crop and realise how good they were.
To some extent Henry is right.We are either over the top about how good we are or criticising at every opportunity. Why dont we just give them a chance and in particular I think about Miller. Who cares about whom he played for previously.Its all about what he does today and if Rangers fans dont give him a chance then his failure will be a self fulfilling prophecy.
68

thebigiam,

23/07/2008 10:04:23
#72. Kind of agree with you in a Scottish context. If you look at Miller's club record, historically nothing to shout about. But for Scotland, he's never let us down.

#61. Yeah, I'd loved to have seen McGeady turn out for Scotland. But he's made his choice and we should let him get on with it. We've benefitted from plenty of players finding Grandmothers who once visited Perth for a day trip, so we should accept that it is a rule that will sometimes go against us as well.
69

N B,

23/07/2008 10:05:18
72#
But he's shoite? Nothing to do with not giving him a chance, he's simply shoite.

They can call it the UEFA cup if they like but I say it's the European Cup, so as I say, we WERE in the European Cup final.

2nd best team in Scotland and Europe.
70

N B,

23/07/2008 10:05:28
#72 Erchie

I think in the olden days, there were more good Scottish players, but they were thinly spread amongst a number of teams. These days we have many fewer players capable of performing at the top level, but still enough to put out a competitive international team. Whether they are good enough to qualify for a tournament, is anybody's guess.

Let's look at the history of Scottish World Cup expectations:

74 Happy to qualify, surprised by not losing a game.
78 Fancied our chances of winning it, not unrealistic in a 16 team tournament with the players we had.
82 Expectations lowered, but disappointed not to qualify from the group stage.
86 Expectations lowered, again disappointed not to qualify from the group stage.
90 Expectations lowered again, expected not to qualify from the group stage.
94 Did not qualify
98 Just glad to be there.
02 Did not qualify
06 Did not qualify

71

Montford's Jaicket,

Over here and overwhelmed 23/07/2008 10:07:20
#7 Just for info, it doesn't matter who you lose to - Brazil or Botswana - if you lose you get NO FIFA ranking points, and you don't lose any either. The ranking system is well documented (and maybe even accurately) on Wikipedia - go have a look there for how ranking scores are calculated. At the moment Brazil are #2 despite losing a couple of games, perhaps because the ranking scores only get published once a month. Equally, it is possible to lose games and not drop down the table if the teams just below don't win any points either!

Anyway, back to the topic - which was Scotland and the World Cup qualifiers...
#72 - I tend to agree with you. If Kenny Miller has a good season for Scotland either providing or scoring goals then that will obviously help the national side to win games. Our first 4 games are important - three are away from home it we take 6 points from those 4 then that will be a solid cushion; Macedonia then Iceland away, Norway at home and Holland away - no easy points there. Hopefully we will be able to get through the campaign with no key players injured or otherwise unavailable - but if not there now seems to be some depth to the pool of players so that if one or two do withdraw others will maybe take their chance and make it hard to regain a place.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:16:15
#73 thebig

There have been pleny of Scottish born players of the past qualified to play for Ireland. The majority of them only turned their sights west when the land of their birth ignored them(Houghton, Coyle, Coyne, Slaven etc). The difference in the McGagie case is that Ireland were his choice of first resort. Social conditioning and segregated education systems being responsible in no small part for his decision.
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Skiver,

23/07/2008 10:19:28
The story at #30 is a great example of the laptop loyal writing exactly what Murray has instructed them to.
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James,,

23/07/2008 10:20:56
#77,

Leave your ill-informed opinions about the education system out of it. It's the sort of thing that will have the thread closed down.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:21:08
And nobody is better qualified to comment on social conditioning than me. I'm sure you will all agree on that at least.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:22:10
78#
SDM didn't say these things. Why do you believe he did?
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:29:26
#79 James

The truth that dare not speak it's name.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:31:04
#80 #81 Timposter

I see that we are both using the same name, change yours or GTF.
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Mr Hefner,

23/07/2008 10:32:34
Call the cup what you like, hell, call Rangers Brazil if you like...doesnt mean that anyone else will take your lead. Only one Scottish team been in a European Cup Final and theres only one Scottish team to win a European Cup final. Can you guess what club that was? I will give you a clue: it's not Rangers.

Stand up for the champions, you wretch!

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N B,

23/07/2008 10:34:44
#84 Huffner

Rangers have played in 4 European Cup finals. Celtic have only played in 3.

We welcome the chase.
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paulmac,

surrey 23/07/2008 10:36:54
74

The correct terminology is a European final...

Your desperate need to associate with our achievements is understandable...
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:41:32
..and 50 titles = 5 stars = 1 European trophy equivalent. So that's another Euro final.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:42:13
#86 Pauling

Who are you to say what the correct terminology is? There are two UEFA competions for the major club teams each year. The UEFA Champions League and the UEFA CUP. Often UEFA is replaced by the word European in colloquial usage.
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2Pasquenade ,

23/07/2008 10:42:40
Watched the Middlesborough game last night and almost wish I hadn't bothered...soooo dull for the most part.

Boro's goal was 'daft' , and although Brown didn't create the danger, blasting the ball against an onrushing striker in front of goal carries certain risks...he should have dived at his feet and tried to smother the ball.

Still, I'm glad we equalised , because I want to win this trophy.

Rangers sound as though they are really struggling, getting a dodgy 1V0 against Clyde, and Mcoist is casting some doubt on whether any new faces will arrive in time to face Kaunas.

Hard to say anything about Kaunas : the team they eliminated could have been absolute donkeys ... but then again they might have been hard working, obbstinate wee bu##ers that would have been hard to score against in which case their result would start to look impressive.

Kaunas are on a bit of a roll and go into this tie as serious underdogs with a 'nothing to lose' mentality.
Noone expects them to win, and ironically that could be their strength.

Celtic play Porto at the end of this tournament and hopefully we'll see an improvement from everyone in that game.
I've seen Hinkel against Southampton and last night and am beginning to have serious doubts about this guy : he is far too generous about the space he allows left wingers.
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FC Barcelona,

23/07/2008 10:43:08
no one in the current old firm squads would get a game even in barca's 4th string team !
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:44:01
Timposter still here? Nobody is fooled by you so go away.

Current squad at Ibrox will be good enough for a quadruple this year.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:46:07
90#

What? McGregor, Broadfoot, Smith, Cuellar, McCulloch, Boyd, Ferguson, Miller and Thomson for starters would make your 1st team never mind the 4th. Well, maybe not Miller, he'd be on the bench, but the rest would.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:47:05
Barca were VERY fortunate to leave Ibrox with a pt last year.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:48:34
We'll see what happens if we meet this year in the CL. (assuming we get past Kaunas and the next qualifier)
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:51:51
When SDM speaks, people listen:

"Rangers chairman David Murray has promised the club's shareholders a brighter than ever future, despite record crippling debts of £73.9m.
Murray admitted to the club's annual meeting that he had been too ambitious in the past but that he would wipe out the debts within a year.

"Financial stability is the big priority," he said, receiving backing for a rights share issue to raise £57m.

"But, when the good times come back, they will be better than in the past."

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paulmac,

surrey 23/07/2008 10:52:20
81

Yes he did and more!

Only you....would hide from the truth and fall into a tailspin dive of denial!

Now stand up for the champions!
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:53:41
OK he does not say exactly WHEN the good times will be back but he does say they will be BETTER than in the past.

Just a matter of weeks, months, years or maybe even decades or centuries, but they will be back.
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mybestmatesa,

confused 23/07/2008 10:54:20
Reading the posts 30-34 made me forget what this thread was originally about. Its Scotland FFS. 130 years of Scottish football shows that each of the old firm will enjoy limited periods of dominance over the other.
Unfotunately the same time frame indicates that no matter how good or bad the players that make up the national team, we still tend to win the odd big game then lose the next "small" one.
I for one am sick of the valiant losers tag, however it is better than the simple losers tag we had under Wee Bertie.
Maybe we can qualify if we back ALL the players selected no matter who they play for. Living here in Johannesburg I will be well scunnered if we don't qualify. This is my first World cup since '74.

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N B,

23/07/2008 10:56:01
#96 Pauling

On this one you are arguing with our friendly forum Timposter! Let's see what he has now that someone has taaken his rancid bait.
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N B,

23/07/2008 10:57:47
Here's what our illustrious leader promised, why should we doubt him?


The Rangers chairman and Advocaat have forged a close relationship, one underlined by the desire for Rangers to grow comparable to Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United and Juventus.

"The most influential man at this club is [David] Murray. He is the only person here that is irreplaceable," said Advocaat.

"He knows that if we invest in two or three players, despite all the big money spent in Spain and Italy, that we can compete at that level.

"We are so close to these clubs and he will find the resources to bring in the players for us to compete with the best. That is the only way to stay alive," he said.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 23/07/2008 10:58:18
Morning Lads...Thanks for the belly laughs I had reading the hairsplitting over Euro trophies etc...Delusional 'gers fans who ACTUALLY believe they have been in a European Cup (i.e.the PREMIER Euro trophy)final...What next? Fairies at the bottom of the garden?
As for the stewardship of RFC by SDM...Bears,ask yourselves this question..."Would I buy a used car from this man?
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N B,

23/07/2008 11:00:53
"We are so close to these clubs and he will find the resources to bring in the players for us to compete with the best. That is the only way to stay alive," he said"

So that's why he has brought in Broadfoot and Miller. With some luck, Lovenkrants will also be coming in, so, although we did miss out on Shittu, you can see the trend of where SDM wants to take us. As he promised.

You all starting to get the picture now?
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paulmac,

surrey 23/07/2008 11:02:04
95

And why does nobody want to buy the dungeon brox?
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N B,

23/07/2008 11:02:45
101#

You don't trust Sir David? Why ever not Swordsman? Any evidence to back up you claims of mistrust?
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N B,

23/07/2008 11:05:04
101#

..."Would I buy a used car from this man?

That'll be the daewoo
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N B,

23/07/2008 11:06:51
Must pop off for some lunch now. Keep it nice and friendly guys, it's only a laugh, and a right guid bellylaugh at that.

Anyone want to buy a Daewoo?

Cheerio for now
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paulmac,

surrey 23/07/2008 11:07:46
99

"Pauling"

What invention....what wit...what R u....16?

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Swordsman,

Dublin 23/07/2008 11:08:17
NB..Everytime I see him I'm reminded of Boycie from Only fools and Horses...Just an innate sennse of unease when I see him pull the old smoke and mirrors schtick again...up to your oxters in debt,a team that is a shadow of former self,haggling over second/third tier players and lest we forget,the looming juggernaut that is the SUPER casino...Just because he says it doesn't necessarily mean it is true..Agree?